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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742247 is a reply to message #742223 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742252 is a reply to message #742247 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 18:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?


Welcome back.

I missed your pic and user name.


Your sense of humor is alright I guess.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742338 is a reply to message #742252 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 21:49

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 18:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?


Welcome back.

I missed your pic and user name.


Your sense of humor is alright I guess.



Thanks PlusOne. Missed you too, saw your pic in my fridge quite often the past few months.

Still sad we didn’t get our ORPP in.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742341 is a reply to message #742338 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 04 September 2019 17:49

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 21:49

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 18:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?


Welcome back.

I missed your pic and user name.


Your sense of humor is alright I guess.



Thanks PlusOne. Missed you too, saw your pic in my fridge quite often the past few months.

Still sad we didn’t get our ORPP in.


I'm hoping you're talking about Guinness and that you haven't been actively stalking another user. It's probably worth asking MJ if that's against the Terms of Use here...



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742415 is a reply to message #742341 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 04 September 2019 18:10

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 04 September 2019 17:49

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 21:49

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 18:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?


Welcome back.

I missed your pic and user name.


Your sense of humor is alright I guess.



Thanks PlusOne. Missed you too, saw your pic in my fridge quite often the past few months.

Still sad we didn’t get our ORPP in.


I'm hoping you're talking about Guinness and that you haven't been actively stalking another user. It's probably worth asking MJ if that's against the Terms of Use here...


Definitely Guinness. Yep. Just checked again, I have a pic of PlusOne next to my Guinness in the fridge.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742257 is a reply to message #742247 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 18:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?


Ah nice, the first Oscargasm of the season. Things were getting kinda blue around here! Hopefully there are many many more in the months to come!



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742339 is a reply to message #742257 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 23:21

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 18:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:57

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 03 September 2019 15:51

26th overall finish. Heard it here first.

Is it June yet? (I kid)


6th best team in the league at not getting points? That doesn't sound so bad.

Such a positive spin.

I do have to say, after a summer hiatus, I did miss this place.

How long till Drai-McDavid-Neal are a line?


Ah nice, the first Oscargasm of the season. Things were getting kinda blue around here! Hopefully there are many many more in the months to come!


‘Tis (almost) the season. A healthy dose of Oscar will (can) take this team places, while a healthy dose of Oscargasm can take this place on adventures if you choose to believe.

Get ready for supreme OPTIMISM promptly followed by nauseating negativity.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742365 is a reply to message #742339 ]
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Spec tweeting that the Oilers are likely to sign Sheahan to a 1 year deal.
If this happens, it just makes WAY too much sense. They are thin down the middle. He's big, skates well, plays on the PK, wins faceoffs and on a 1 yr deal for probably cheap.

All of a sudden the Oilers have potentially.
McDavid
Nuge
Sheahan
Haas/Cave

As your 1-4 centers. Not bad.

Then you have guys who can sub in if needed. Khaira can play center a bit, Granlund can, Gagner in a pinch. Sounds like Brodziak will got on LTIR which is fine because I never saw him making the team anyway, can't skate.

Spec saying now, it's 1 yr, 900k. I don't see how you can go wrong with that. If Brodziak goes on LTIR, they actually save 250K.

[Updated on: Thu, 05 September 2019 12:06]


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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742407 is a reply to message #742365 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 September 2019 11:59

Spec saying now, it's 1 yr, 900k. I don't see how you can go wrong with that. If Brodziak goes on LTIR, they actually save 250K.


Doesn't Brodziak's contract not count toward the cap if he goes on LTIR, that where the 250k is saved? I think so.. someone correct me if I am not as right as I usually am.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742408 is a reply to message #742407 ]
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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 September 2019 11:59

Spec saying now, it's 1 yr, 900k. I don't see how you can go wrong with that. If Brodziak goes on LTIR, they actually save 250K.


Doesn't Brodziak's contract not count toward the cap if he goes on LTIR, that where the 250k is saved? I think so.. someone correct me if I am not as right as I usually am.


I am pretty sure that is how it works which is what I was referring too. I read Matteson on twitter yesterday say that because of his back, Brodziak hasn't even trained at all the whole summer. So I don't see how he could pass a physical if the guy can't do anything almost 5 months. Even if he was healthy enough to play, they could bury his contract in the minors and because it's just over 1 mill, pretty much all wouldn't count against the cap.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742412 is a reply to message #742407 ]
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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 September 2019 11:59

Spec saying now, it's 1 yr, 900k. I don't see how you can go wrong with that. If Brodziak goes on LTIR, they actually save 250K.


Doesn't Brodziak's contract not count toward the cap if he goes on LTIR, that where the 250k is saved? I think so.. someone correct me if I am not as right as I usually am.



He won't matter - he won't be on the 23-man roster, but someone else will be. There's a tiny cost savings on LTIR versus the minors, but it's a tiny benefit. You can bury $1.075MM in the minors, so it's only a $75,000 savings from Brodziak on his $1.15MM contract.

That gets you enough cap space that maybe at the trade deadline the team can trade for yet another fourth liner!

I'm fine with Sheahan being signed. It doesn't move the needle much one way or the other, but it means there's some competition in camp. I'm a little concerned about the high volume of bottom six players, because ultimately a bunch of those guys are going to end up in Bakersfield, and prospects may lose playing time because we've got a bunch of older guys who'll take ice time. It's not the biggest issue we have - fortunately we have very little depth for scoring forwards in the AHL too, so there's only so many prospects it might hold back.

Hopefully with Sheahan last year was an anomaly and he can be a decent 3rd line guy here...call him a poor man's Ryan Strome...



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742416 is a reply to message #742412 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 10:31

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 September 2019 11:59

Spec saying now, it's 1 yr, 900k. I don't see how you can go wrong with that. If Brodziak goes on LTIR, they actually save 250K.


Doesn't Brodziak's contract not count toward the cap if he goes on LTIR, that where the 250k is saved? I think so.. someone correct me if I am not as right as I usually am.



He won't matter - he won't be on the 23-man roster, but someone else will be. There's a tiny cost savings on LTIR versus the minors, but it's a tiny benefit. You can bury $1.075MM in the minors, so it's only a $75,000 savings from Brodziak on his $1.15MM contract.

That gets you enough cap space that maybe at the trade deadline the team can trade for yet another fourth liner!

I'm fine with Sheahan being signed. It doesn't move the needle much one way or the other, but it means there's some competition in camp. I'm a little concerned about the high volume of bottom six players, because ultimately a bunch of those guys are going to end up in Bakersfield, and prospects may lose playing time because we've got a bunch of older guys who'll take ice time. It's not the biggest issue we have - fortunately we have very little depth for scoring forwards in the AHL too, so there's only so many prospects it might hold back.

Hopefully with Sheahan last year was an anomaly and he can be a decent 3rd line guy here...call him a poor man's Ryan Strome...

I am OK if a few of these bottom 6 guys who are bubble NHLers have to go down and bump out the likes of:
Luke Esposito
Steven Iacobellis
Anthony Peluso
Beau Starret
Jakob Stukel

All 5 of those guys are straight up AHLers who the condors signed. Everyone of them are never will be NHLers. Even Brad Malone was brought back. He's a really good AHL player but his chance of the NHL is over. Give the AHL ice time to the young guys but also give the ice time to these tweener NHLers that didn't make the NHL. So if injuries happen, you are calling up a guy who might help you. Worst case, you have a stacked AHL team that should allow you to have the skilled guys like Marody, Yamamoto, Maximov, maybe Benson, have really good players to play with. They should also go a long, long ways and give valuable experience to the young guys.

I don't want the Oilers to have to call up a Marody who's not quite ready when injuries happen. Or a Malone who does absolutely nothing but give other NHL guys a rest. I wouldn't mind calling up a Jurco who is a skilled, fast guy that hasn't figured it out but maybe pot the odd goal.

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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742418 is a reply to message #742416 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 11:55

Adam wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 10:31

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 09:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 September 2019 11:59

Spec saying now, it's 1 yr, 900k. I don't see how you can go wrong with that. If Brodziak goes on LTIR, they actually save 250K.


Doesn't Brodziak's contract not count toward the cap if he goes on LTIR, that where the 250k is saved? I think so.. someone correct me if I am not as right as I usually am.



He won't matter - he won't be on the 23-man roster, but someone else will be. There's a tiny cost savings on LTIR versus the minors, but it's a tiny benefit. You can bury $1.075MM in the minors, so it's only a $75,000 savings from Brodziak on his $1.15MM contract.

That gets you enough cap space that maybe at the trade deadline the team can trade for yet another fourth liner!

I'm fine with Sheahan being signed. It doesn't move the needle much one way or the other, but it means there's some competition in camp. I'm a little concerned about the high volume of bottom six players, because ultimately a bunch of those guys are going to end up in Bakersfield, and prospects may lose playing time because we've got a bunch of older guys who'll take ice time. It's not the biggest issue we have - fortunately we have very little depth for scoring forwards in the AHL too, so there's only so many prospects it might hold back.

Hopefully with Sheahan last year was an anomaly and he can be a decent 3rd line guy here...call him a poor man's Ryan Strome...

I am OK if a few of these bottom 6 guys who are bubble NHLers have to go down and bump out the likes of:
Luke Esposito
Steven Iacobellis
Anthony Peluso
Beau Starret
Jakob Stukel

All 5 of those guys are straight up AHLers who the condors signed. Everyone of them are never will be NHLers. Even Brad Malone was brought back. He's a really good AHL player but his chance of the NHL is over. Give the AHL ice time to the young guys but also give the ice time to these tweener NHLers that didn't make the NHL. So if injuries happen, you are calling up a guy who might help you. Worst case, you have a stacked AHL team that should allow you to have the skilled guys like Marody, Yamamoto, Maximov, maybe Benson, have really good players to play with. They should also go a long, long ways and give valuable experience to the young guys.

I don't want the Oilers to have to call up a Marody who's not quite ready when injuries happen. Or a Malone who does absolutely nothing but give other NHL guys a rest. I wouldn't mind calling up a Jurco who is a skilled, fast guy that hasn't figured it out but maybe pot the odd goal.


I have a hard time seeing how the Oilers can't guarantee Esposito a roster spot on the Condors...If Lowe gets the "C", it would be very unfair to demote Esposito. I can't see Keith Gretzky agreeing to that at all.



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There is also the AHL Veterans rule limiting the number of veterans a team can dress per game.

https://www.phpa.com/site/agreements#Veteran%20Rule

"Each AHL Club must dress for each regularly scheduled or play-off game, at least eleven (11) Players, other than goaltenders, who have played in a total of not more than two hundred and sixty (260) regular season games in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League, or any European Elite League, prior to the start of the season, and one (1) player, other than goaltenders, who has played in a total of not more than three hundred and twenty (320) regular season games in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League, or any European Elite League, prior to the start of the season. Any Player who participates in European Elite League games during a hockey season in which the Player would be eligible to play in the Canadian Hockey League (excluding an overage year) shall not have such games count in the calculation of the two hundred and sixty (260) regular season games. Players on loan from the National Hockey League for a first fourteen (14) day conditioning period shall not be affected by the aforesaid experience requirement.

In the event a Club dresses fewer than seventeen (17) skaters, the number eleven (11) shall be reduced accordingly. In the event the Member Clubs elect to dress eighteen (18) skaters, the development rule minimum number of eleven (11) shall be increased to twelve (12)."

It's pretty rare for an AHL/NHL veteran to be sent to the ECHL (except for goalies).

Just let the kids play. The AHL is a development league, not a place to park a bunch of guys playing out their professional careers with no hope of making the NHL. The exceptions I think are worthwhile would include a Guy like Keegan Lowe, who does a great job helping the younger players on and off the ice.

https://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/season-rewind-keegan -lowe/

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GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 06 September 2019 12:52

There is also the AHL Veterans rule limiting the number of veterans a team can dress per game.

https://www.phpa.com/site/agreements#Veteran%20Rule

"Each AHL Club must dress for each regularly scheduled or play-off game, at least eleven (11) Players, other than goaltenders, who have played in a total of not more than two hundred and sixty (260) regular season games in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League, or any European Elite League, prior to the start of the season, and one (1) player, other than goaltenders, who has played in a total of not more than three hundred and twenty (320) regular season games in the National Hockey League, American Hockey League, International Hockey League, or any European Elite League, prior to the start of the season. Any Player who participates in European Elite League games during a hockey season in which the Player would be eligible to play in the Canadian Hockey League (excluding an overage year) shall not have such games count in the calculation of the two hundred and sixty (260) regular season games. Players on loan from the National Hockey League for a first fourteen (14) day conditioning period shall not be affected by the aforesaid experience requirement.

In the event a Club dresses fewer than seventeen (17) skaters, the number eleven (11) shall be reduced accordingly. In the event the Member Clubs elect to dress eighteen (18) skaters, the development rule minimum number of eleven (11) shall be increased to twelve (12)."

It's pretty rare for an AHL/NHL veteran to be sent to the ECHL (except for goalies).

Just let the kids play. The AHL is a development league, not a place to park a bunch of guys playing out their professional careers with no hope of making the NHL. The exceptions I think are worthwhile would include a Guy like Keegan Lowe, who does a great job helping the younger players on and off the ice.

https://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/season-rewind-keegan -lowe/

I can't take any organizational articles about someone named K. Lowe without a massive grain of salt. Maybe he's amazing, but he wasn't amazing for any other organization where his dad wasn't involved in hockey ops.



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Oilers rookies vs. Flames rookies at Red Deer September 7.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/preview-oilers-rookies-vs-fl ames-rookies/c-308969272

"Lines at morning skate appeared to be:

Benson - Marody - Hebig
Vesey - McLeod - Maksimov
Safin - Iacobellis - Lavoie
Keeler - Starrett - Stukel

Bouchard - Samorukov
Cap - Day
De Jong - Desharnais

Wells
Skinner"

The Bouchard/Samorukov pairing should be an interesting combination. Considering the rest of the Oiler D, the duo should get a lot of ice time. Up front, I would expect an impressive outing from the top line, but I wonder if Maksmov will get some first line and power play time.

I would imagine Wells and Skinner will each play half the game. Both guys were inconsistent in the AHL and ECHL last year. Hopefully, the Oilers elite goaltending coaching will be correcting that starting tonight.

Come on , boys. I know it's only a "meaningless" pre-season game with a bunch of guys of whom 90 per cent will never play in the NHL, but RDOF will be there. Don't let him down.


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Oiler rookie lineups vs Calcary rookies at The Saddledome Tuesday night.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/preview-oilers-rookies-at-fl ames-rookies/c-309016180

LINEUP NOTES

Lines at Tuesday's morning skate appeared as follows:

Forwards

Benson - Marody - Hebig
B. Starrett - McLeod - Maksimov
Safin - Iacobellis - Lavoie
Vesey - Stukel - Keeler

Defence

Samorukov - Bouchard
Cap - Day
Bellamy - Desharnais

Goalies

Rodrigue
Skinner

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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 10 September 2019 11:32

Bellamy? Who's he?


Jaxon Bellamy? He went undrafted this year and it looks like he's taking a shot.

https://www.nhl.com/player/jaxon-bellamy-8481872



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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 10 September 2019 11:32

Oiler rookie lineups vs Calcary rookies at The Saddledome Tuesday night.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/preview-oilers-rookies-at-fl ames-rookies/c-309016180

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Lines at Tuesday's morning skate appeared as follows:

Forwards

Benson - Marody - Hebig
B. Starrett - McLeod - Maksimov
Safin - Iacobellis - Lavoie
Vesey - Stukel - Keeler

Defence

Samorukov - Bouchard
Cap - Day
Bellamy - Desharnais

Goalies

Rodrigue
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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 10 September 2019 20:36

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 10 September 2019 11:32

Oiler rookie lineups vs Calcary rookies at The Saddledome Tuesday night.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/preview-oilers-rookies-at-fl ames-rookies/c-309016180

LINEUP NOTES

Lines at Tuesday's morning skate appeared as follows:

Forwards

Benson - Marody - Hebig
B. Starrett - McLeod - Maksimov
Safin - Iacobellis - Lavoie
Vesey - Stukel - Keeler

Defence

Samorukov - Bouchard
Cap - Day
Bellamy - Desharnais

Goalies

Rodrigue
Skinner

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 10 September 2019 20:36

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 10 September 2019 11:32

Oiler rookie lineups vs Calcary rookies at The Saddledome Tuesday night.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/preview-oilers-rookies-at-fl ames-rookies/c-309016180

LINEUP NOTES

Lines at Tuesday's morning skate appeared as follows:

Forwards

Benson - Marody - Hebig
B. Starrett - McLeod - Maksimov
Safin - Iacobellis - Lavoie
Vesey - Stukel - Keeler

Defence

Samorukov - Bouchard
Cap - Day
Bellamy - Desharnais

Goalies

Rodrigue
Skinner

"You can watch the game on EdmontonOilers.com, YouTube, Facebook and Twitter."

Bellamy? Who's he?


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Woodguy did a pretty in-depth look at what Benson might do this year based on 20 year olds that scored at a similar rate in the AHL as Benson did last year. There's some pretty good names in that group, here's hoping Benson achieves even anywhere close to the level of success Claude Giroux or David Krejci did.

Tldr;
here are the averages in the next season from players that scored similar to Benson as a 20 year old:

Quote:


If Benson achieves the average of his peers in this study the he would get:

46 NHL games played
24 AHL games played
0.41 points per game in the NHL
1.63 5v5 pts/60
~19 NHL points
3rd line deployment in the NHL
Some powerplay time, but not enough to move the needle.

That's a player EDM could use.


The guys who scored at above 0.5 points per game all received significant PP time, so expecting Benson to score more than the above will likely depend on that. I doubt he gets much of a look on the top unit, but given Edmonton's lack of winger depth he might see some 2nd unit time (although how effective that unit will be remains to be seen - no forwards outside of McDavid, Drai, RNH and Chiasson scored much on the PP for the Oilers last year).

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One question I have going into the season is why are their so many people in the media who are convinced that Neal will be on McDavid's wing? McDavid and Leon are freaking fantastic together. So I would keep them together and slide in who ever else on the right side. Those 2 don't need much on the right side to score. But to succeed, the Oilers need a second line as well. Nuge himself did an interview and complained about not having guys to play with and wanting some consistency.

So what sense would there be to load up 1 line with Leon, McDavid and Neal, then have scraps on the second line with Nuge?



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 12 September 2019 11:58

One question I have going into the season is why are their so many people in the media who are convinced that Neal will be on McDavid's wing? McDavid and Leon are freaking fantastic together. So I would keep them together and slide in who ever else on the right side. Those 2 don't need much on the right side to score. But to succeed, the Oilers need a second line as well. Nuge himself did an interview and complained about not having guys to play with and wanting some consistency.

So what sense would there be to load up 1 line with Leon, McDavid and Neal, then have scraps on the second line with Nuge?

Aren’t we more likely to see Neal on draisatl’s wing since McDavid isn’t back until Novemb... I mean after the pre-season



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Stauffer posted this yesterday on twitter:

Quote:

How about this for October 2nd:

Draisatl-McDavid-Kassian
Gagner-RNH-Neal
Granlund-Sheahan-Archibald
Khaira-Haas-Chiasson
Nygard-Cave


First there are the obvious holes: Kassian is not a top-line winger, and likely is a bit of a waste of that spot.

Given that I think this is another rebuild season, I would rather see a guy like Archibald get more of a push than Neal, who ideally is not long for this team.

And this just reminds me that the Chiasson contract was underrated bad. 2 years at $2M+, for a guy that is a 4th liner at 5x5? Ugh.

Edit: and based on this group, there's no reason that Benson shouldn't get a long look at the NHL level. Probably Marody too. https://twitter.com/Bob_Stauffer/status/1172221792833785857? s=20

[Updated on: Fri, 13 September 2019 13:05]


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 12 September 2019 11:58

One question I have going into the season is why are their so many people in the media who are convinced that Neal will be on McDavid's wing? McDavid and Leon are freaking fantastic together. So I would keep them together and slide in who ever else on the right side. Those 2 don't need much on the right side to score. But to succeed, the Oilers need a second line as well. Nuge himself did an interview and complained about not having guys to play with and wanting some consistency.

So what sense would there be to load up 1 line with Leon, McDavid and Neal, then have scraps on the second line with Nuge?


Hard to assume anything with Neal right now. Is he so good that we can just assume he's gonna help Nuge's line score? Or is he more of a guy that is gonna need help from linemates and be put in a spot that perfectly suits his skillset for him to accomplish anything? It he's struggling a bit to get his game together and build confidence, maybe a run on the 1st line would help him and the team. McDavid and Drai can definitely use someone that is good at picking up the garbage around the net and getting shots off.

Still lots of question marks around our top 6. Making sure the 1st line is going well is priority #1. Nuge gets the leftovers again :)



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Hearing some of the lines from Bob on his show.

Leon - McDavid - Kassian

Makes sense to me. Kassian scored 13 goals in 36 games, that's a 30 goal pace. I don't for a second think he will score 30 goals be he deserved the right to try on that line. Leon and McDavid where talking about him yesterday pretty glowingly. He's got size, speed, brings a physical edge which might be a good thing with McDavid, has skill (you don't get drafted as high as he was in the first round without skill). I roll my eyes when I see someone comment about him not deserving to be in that spot because he's not a "top 6 guy". Many a player has come from lower lines and became a top 6 player when put into the right role, with the right combination at the right time. Look no further than Maroon. Coming to the Oilers, he had a career high 11 goals. He score 8 in 16 games, then 27 the next year, then was on a 20 goal pace the year after.

Gagner - Nuge - Neal.

I like Neal on the right with Nuge. Nuge needs a scoring winger and Neal likes the right side so put him where he is comfortable. I like the high hockey IQ of Gagner and the skill, I just question that he can be in the top 6 given his skating. I would like to see a faster winger on the left side.

I kind of think the lines will end up being:

Leon - McD - Kassian
Khaira/Grandlund/Nygard - Nuge - Neal
Khaira/Grandlund/Nygard - Sheahan - Chiasson/Archibald
Khaira/Grandlund/Nygard - Haas - Chiasson/Archibald

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That's a bad line up.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


You are basing that on...…?

You can see into the future?



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


You are basing that on...…?

You can see into the future?

Past performance is the best predictor of future results.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


You are basing that on...…?

You can see into the future?

Past performance is the best predictor of future results.


So you know for certain today after 1 practice that:
- After 10 straight 20+ goal seasons, and 1 bad year. A year in which he wasn't fully healthy, wasn't able to train properly in 2 years and never found a fit with the coach because the coach brought over a few of his boys from Carolina, Neal can't score goals anymore.
- None of the Europeans - Nygard, Haas, Persson, can play NHL hockey. Other Europeans come over every year and do it but these guys can't because it's the Oilers.
- None of the goalies can even give average NHL goaltending.
- Larsson who's had a rough year and a bit with injury and personal tragedy can never play decent defense again.
- No players who make up the Oilers main guys, will improve what so ever. They have all peaked. So McDavid, Leon, Nurse, Klefbom, Nuge, Kassian, Khaira. None of those guys can round out their games or improve on areas they are weak in. None of them have anymore to give. It's a steady decline for all of them.
- None of the bottom 6 guys signed, all of whom have pretty decent track records. All of them will be Rieder. Most of those bottom 6 guys are on 1 year deals. So everyone of them will be playing for a new contract and none of them will have a good year.
- A guy like Chiasson, a guy who surprised everyone, he won't score anymore what so ever?
- Kassian needs a new deal and has a great opportunity. Given he needs a new contract, a guy like him won't have a good year.
- No young guys will make the jump and have an impact on the team.
- The Oilers PK will never improve.

You know all of this after 1 day of practice?

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


You are basing that on...…?

You can see into the future?

Past performance is the best predictor of future results.


So you know for certain today after 1 practice that:
- After 10 straight 20+ goal seasons, and 1 bad year. A year in which he wasn't fully healthy, wasn't able to train properly in 2 years and never found a fit with the coach because the coach brought over a few of his boys from Carolina, Neal can't score goals anymore.
- None of the Europeans - Nygard, Haas, Persson, can play NHL hockey. Other Europeans come over every year and do it but these guys can't because it's the Oilers.
- None of the goalies can even give average NHL goaltending.
- Larsson who's had a rough year and a bit with injury and personal tragedy can never play decent defense again.
- No players who make up the Oilers main guys, will improve what so ever. They have all peaked. So McDavid, Leon, Nurse, Klefbom, Nuge, Kassian, Khaira. None of those guys can round out their games or improve on areas they are weak in. None of them have anymore to give. It's a steady decline for all of them.
- None of the bottom 6 guys signed, all of whom have pretty decent track records. All of them will be Rieder. Most of those bottom 6 guys are on 1 year deals. So everyone of them will be playing for a new contract and none of them will have a good year.
- A guy like Chiasson, a guy who surprised everyone, he won't score anymore what so ever?
- Kassian needs a new deal and has a great opportunity. Given he needs a new contract, a guy like him won't have a good year.
- No young guys will make the jump and have an impact on the team.
- The Oilers PK will never improve.

You know all of this after 1 day of practice?

I don't even need a practice to know that. Look at your list. You just listed a lot of items that mostly have to break the right way for the Oilers to be remotely successful. I don't know where the failure points will be, I just can see there are a lot of potential points for failure. Based on that, I feel more than comfortable saying, "that's a bad line up". I stand behind that statement, the future will stand behind me.

But by all means, don't let me rain on your parade. Enjoy the hopeful part of the hockey season, it's an Oilers Tradition™!




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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 14:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


You are basing that on...…?

You can see into the future?

Past performance is the best predictor of future results.


So you know for certain today after 1 practice that:
- After 10 straight 20+ goal seasons, and 1 bad year. A year in which he wasn't fully healthy, wasn't able to train properly in 2 years and never found a fit with the coach because the coach brought over a few of his boys from Carolina, Neal can't score goals anymore.
- None of the Europeans - Nygard, Haas, Persson, can play NHL hockey. Other Europeans come over every year and do it but these guys can't because it's the Oilers.
- None of the goalies can even give average NHL goaltending.
- Larsson who's had a rough year and a bit with injury and personal tragedy can never play decent defense again.
- No players who make up the Oilers main guys, will improve what so ever. They have all peaked. So McDavid, Leon, Nurse, Klefbom, Nuge, Kassian, Khaira. None of those guys can round out their games or improve on areas they are weak in. None of them have anymore to give. It's a steady decline for all of them.
- None of the bottom 6 guys signed, all of whom have pretty decent track records. All of them will be Rieder. Most of those bottom 6 guys are on 1 year deals. So everyone of them will be playing for a new contract and none of them will have a good year.
- A guy like Chiasson, a guy who surprised everyone, he won't score anymore what so ever?
- Kassian needs a new deal and has a great opportunity. Given he needs a new contract, a guy like him won't have a good year.
- No young guys will make the jump and have an impact on the team.
- The Oilers PK will never improve.

You know all of this after 1 day of practice?

I don't even need a practice to know that. Look at your list. You just listed a lot of items that mostly have to break the right way for the Oilers to be remotely successful. I don't know where the failure points will be, I just can see there are a lot of potential points for failure. Based on that, I feel more than comfortable saying, "that's a bad line up". I stand behind that statement, the future will stand behind me.

But by all means, don't let me rain on your parade. Enjoy the hopeful part of the hockey season, it's an Oilers Tradition™!



When I said what I said, I am not even asking any of those guys to have good seasons. Any of the guys they signed.

Granlund, Archibald, Sheahan are all NHLers, all on 1 yr, low money deals. If they don't play well, they are probably done in the NHL. Best case they are Rieder on a PTO.

Nygard, Hass, Persson are all older Europeans trying to make it in the NHL. If they don't have a good year, the NHL dream is over most likely.

Gagner is a UFA. He won't ever make 3 mill again. But he's already spent time in the minors. If he is crap, he's done in the NHL.

Kassian needs a new contract. I am confident that he will get signed by someone. But how he plays will dictate whether he is getting a 1 yr, low money deal like Maroon or more money.

Benning needs a new contract.

There are tons of guys who all need contracts next year. Forget the team success, they need success for themselves to extend their careers. So you think none of them will play well?

Not to mention the guys who have contracts but something to prove. Khaira was crap last year. He's got lots to prove. Neal had 1 bad year after 10 good ones and some think it's over for him. Koskinen was strong at the beginning, faded in the second half, part of which I am sure was exhaustion because he played something like 26 in a row with is insane and because of that, people are convinced he can't play goal.

I get the frustration and I get fans would be a bit skeptical but to come out with basically absolutes on Sept 13th, tome is a big over the top. But you are entitled to think that way.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 14:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 14:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


You are basing that on...…?

You can see into the future?

Past performance is the best predictor of future results.


So you know for certain today after 1 practice that:
- After 10 straight 20+ goal seasons, and 1 bad year. A year in which he wasn't fully healthy, wasn't able to train properly in 2 years and never found a fit with the coach because the coach brought over a few of his boys from Carolina, Neal can't score goals anymore.
- None of the Europeans - Nygard, Haas, Persson, can play NHL hockey. Other Europeans come over every year and do it but these guys can't because it's the Oilers.
- None of the goalies can even give average NHL goaltending.
- Larsson who's had a rough year and a bit with injury and personal tragedy can never play decent defense again.
- No players who make up the Oilers main guys, will improve what so ever. They have all peaked. So McDavid, Leon, Nurse, Klefbom, Nuge, Kassian, Khaira. None of those guys can round out their games or improve on areas they are weak in. None of them have anymore to give. It's a steady decline for all of them.
- None of the bottom 6 guys signed, all of whom have pretty decent track records. All of them will be Rieder. Most of those bottom 6 guys are on 1 year deals. So everyone of them will be playing for a new contract and none of them will have a good year.
- A guy like Chiasson, a guy who surprised everyone, he won't score anymore what so ever?
- Kassian needs a new deal and has a great opportunity. Given he needs a new contract, a guy like him won't have a good year.
- No young guys will make the jump and have an impact on the team.
- The Oilers PK will never improve.

You know all of this after 1 day of practice?

I don't even need a practice to know that. Look at your list. You just listed a lot of items that mostly have to break the right way for the Oilers to be remotely successful. I don't know where the failure points will be, I just can see there are a lot of potential points for failure. Based on that, I feel more than comfortable saying, "that's a bad line up". I stand behind that statement, the future will stand behind me.

But by all means, don't let me rain on your parade. Enjoy the hopeful part of the hockey season, it's an Oilers Tradition™!



When I said what I said, I am not even asking any of those guys to have good seasons. Any of the guys they signed.

Granlund, Archibald, Sheahan are all NHLers, all on 1 yr, low money deals. If they don't play well, they are probably done in the NHL. Best case they are Rieder on a PTO.

Nygard, Hass, Persson are all older Europeans trying to make it in the NHL. If they don't have a good year, the NHL dream is over most likely.

Gagner is a UFA. He won't ever make 3 mill again. But he's already spent time in the minors. If he is crap, he's done in the NHL.

Kassian needs a new contract. I am confident that he will get signed by someone. But how he plays will dictate whether he is getting a 1 yr, low money deal like Maroon or more money.

Benning needs a new contract.

There are tons of guys who all need contracts next year. Forget the team success, they need success for themselves to extend their careers. So you think none of them will play well?

Not to mention the guys who have contracts but something to prove. Khaira was crap last year. He's got lots to prove. Neal had 1 bad year after 10 good ones and some think it's over for him. Koskinen was strong at the beginning, faded in the second half, part of which I am sure was exhaustion because he played something like 26 in a row with is insane and because of that, people are convinced he can't play goal.

I get the frustration and I get fans would be a bit skeptical but to come out with basically absolutes on Sept 13th, tome is a big over the top. But you are entitled to think that way.

September 13th? There was people saying this is a lost season last season.



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If past performance is the best predictor of future results, as you say. Then we should see significant improvement based on goals in goals out. you look at who we moved out this past summer. Then you look at their goal goals from last year (NHL only) and you will see that although they did not bring in any world beaters we have added 15 to 20 goals over last year.
The oilers are not Stanley Cup contenders, they may not even be a playoff team but the lineup they have this year is a big improvement on last year.



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airdrieoil wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 15:11

If past performance is the best predictor of future results, as you say. Then we should see significant improvement based on goals in goals out. you look at who we moved out this past summer. Then you look at their goal goals from last year (NHL only) and you will see that although they did not bring in any world beaters we have added 15 to 20 goals over last year.
The oilers are not Stanley Cup contenders, they may not even be a playoff team but the lineup they have this year is a big improvement on last year.


The team was -42 in goal differential. No teams with negative differentials made the playoffs last year, so expect you need to be at least even if you want to make the playoffs. Even if there's an extra 20 goals, we aren't close. That's also ignoring the fact that all our top scorers last year had career highs in goal scoring. Expecting them all to duplicate their numbers again this year would probably be a mistake.

You could make that up if the goaltending and defence were really improved...buuuuut our defence is basically the same as last year minus Andrej Sekera, and our goaltending tandem includes the guys with the 37th and 48th best save percentages in the league.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's a great correlation between contract years and performance - that's a talking point we get from the media, but most players are actually trying really hard in years that aren't contract years too.

You look at what Holland's done this summer, and it is mostly just clearing the deck for next year. It doesn't seem like he has a lot of confidence that he's got a playoff calibre team this year either.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742672 is a reply to message #742670 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 15:58

airdrieoil wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 15:11

If past performance is the best predictor of future results, as you say. Then we should see significant improvement based on goals in goals out. you look at who we moved out this past summer. Then you look at their goal goals from last year (NHL only) and you will see that although they did not bring in any world beaters we have added 15 to 20 goals over last year.
The oilers are not Stanley Cup contenders, they may not even be a playoff team but the lineup they have this year is a big improvement on last year.


The team was -42 in goal differential. No teams with negative differentials made the playoffs last year, so expect you need to be at least even if you want to make the playoffs. Even if there's an extra 20 goals, we aren't close. That's also ignoring the fact that all our top scorers last year had career highs in goal scoring. Expecting them all to duplicate their numbers again this year would probably be a mistake.

You could make that up if the goaltending and defence were really improved...buuuuut our defence is basically the same as last year minus Andrej Sekera, and our goaltending tandem includes the guys with the 37th and 48th best save percentages in the league.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's a great correlation between contract years and performance - that's a talking point we get from the media, but most players are actually trying really hard in years that aren't contract years too.

You look at what Holland's done this summer, and it is mostly just clearing the deck for next year. It doesn't seem like he has a lot of confidence that he's got a playoff calibre team this year either.

This is the basis of my assessment too. Holland didn't make any moves that will make the Oilers better this summer, mostly because the Oilers didn't have the space to make room. I'm perfectly fine with this. It might be the first successful off-season of Rebuild III.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 16:15

Adam wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 15:58

airdrieoil wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 15:11

If past performance is the best predictor of future results, as you say. Then we should see significant improvement based on goals in goals out. you look at who we moved out this past summer. Then you look at their goal goals from last year (NHL only) and you will see that although they did not bring in any world beaters we have added 15 to 20 goals over last year.
The oilers are not Stanley Cup contenders, they may not even be a playoff team but the lineup they have this year is a big improvement on last year.


The team was -42 in goal differential. No teams with negative differentials made the playoffs last year, so expect you need to be at least even if you want to make the playoffs. Even if there's an extra 20 goals, we aren't close. That's also ignoring the fact that all our top scorers last year had career highs in goal scoring. Expecting them all to duplicate their numbers again this year would probably be a mistake.

You could make that up if the goaltending and defence were really improved...buuuuut our defence is basically the same as last year minus Andrej Sekera, and our goaltending tandem includes the guys with the 37th and 48th best save percentages in the league.

For what it's worth, I don't think there's a great correlation between contract years and performance - that's a talking point we get from the media, but most players are actually trying really hard in years that aren't contract years too.

You look at what Holland's done this summer, and it is mostly just clearing the deck for next year. It doesn't seem like he has a lot of confidence that he's got a playoff calibre team this year either.

This is the basis of my assessment too. Holland didn't make any moves that will make the Oilers better this summer, mostly because the Oilers didn't have the space to make room. I'm perfectly fine with this. It might be the first successful off-season of Rebuild III.


Removing Lucic is major addition by subtraction. I don't think it's far-fetched to think Neal could have a 15-20 goal season, around 40 points playing in the top 6.



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 Re: Oilers 2019-20 [message #742674 is a reply to message #742670 ]
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Yes I agree that 15-20 goals does not make us a payoff team but that is 15-20 goals based on what was scored last year and NO goals for guys that were not in the NHL last year. We saw career highs for our top guys and career lows for others (Lucic, Reider). But Holland not only addressed points but also team speed. This improvement (which remains to be seen) should result in fewer goals being scored against. And yes the defence is not improved from last year and the goaltending situations are not where they should be. This is not a great team but it is a lot deeper than last year there will be fewer AHLer playing regular roles on this years version of the Edmonton Oilers and that should help the team.
I do not believe we are a piece or two from planning a parade but it should be far more entertaining than last year. And, we can hope that they will be able to squeak into the playoffs this year. This is my hope.



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This is not a great team but it is a lot deeper than last year


There is more potential with this team than we've seen for some time. I like the fact that overall team speed is being addressed by Holland and then there's the Tippet factor. A coach with a good reputation as a communicator who in recent times has been able to get the most out of mediocre teams, without the likes of McDavid and LD on them. It'll be interesting to see how it all comes together.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 13 September 2019 13:33

That's a bad line up.


How could you possibly know this on Sep 13th? You've clearly made up your mind already and aren't willing to give the Oilers a chance.



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