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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733112 is a reply to message #733100 ]
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Oh, so you are not giving us a GDT, but you give us a review?

[Updated on: Wed, 13 March 2019 22:23]


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g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:19

Oh, so you are not giving us a GDT, but you give us a review?


If the Oilers aren't going to show up for the game why should the bot?



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733114 is a reply to message #733100 ]
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Goodbye, ORPP.
Goodbye, Hitchcock.
Goodbye, Playoffs.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:24

Goodbye, ORPP.
Goodbye, Hitchcock.
Goodbye, Playoffs.

So the “suspense” only ended now for you?



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:24

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:24

Goodbye, ORPP.
Goodbye, Hitchcock.
Goodbye, Playoffs.

So the “suspense” only ended now for you?

Eh, it’s been up and down...



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733140 is a reply to message #733114 ]
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Was talking with some buddies that this game had Oilers going full Oiler written all over it. Every single one of them expected a no show with Kostawin leading the way. they all nailed it.
i can hear a city 3hrs down a road laughing.

Joke of a hockey team. An effort like that in an absolute must win? She be done.

4 more years of freaking Kostawin. Sure. lets just hire KGretz for GM.



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pretty expected, Jersey got embarrassed last night. The Oilers were not at all in a position to feel shame and like they owed anyone anything, including themselves and teammates.


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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733119 is a reply to message #733100 ]
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These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.



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g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:27

These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.


How has David Pelletier lasted this long?



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:28

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:27

These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.


How has David Pelletier lasted this long?

Yeah, it might be time for an exhaustive search.

Kurt Browning? You’re it.



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g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:29

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:28

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:27

These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.


How has David Pelletier lasted this long?

Yeah, it might be time for an exhaustive search.

Kurt Browning? You’re it.

Caroline is too far away. You can have Jamie Sale or Kaetlyn Osmond. Those are your options.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:33

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:29

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:28

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:27

These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.


How has David Pelletier lasted this long?

Yeah, it might be time for an exhaustive search.

Kurt Browning? You’re it.

Caroline is too far away. You can have Jamie Sale or Kaetlyn Osmond. Those are your options.


Osmond is way cuter, but I couldn't pass up the drama of replacing Pelletier with Sale.



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733134 is a reply to message #733126 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:35

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:33

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:29

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:28

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:27

These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.


How has David Pelletier lasted this long?

Yeah, it might be time for an exhaustive search.

Kurt Browning? You’re it.

Caroline is too far away. You can have Jamie Sale or Kaetlyn Osmond. Those are your options.


Osmond is way cuter, but I couldn't pass up the drama of replacing Pelletier with Sale.


Bonus to this - Craig Simpson gets to hang out with the boys again - one more glass required for the next Red Wine Summit!



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733129 is a reply to message #733124 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:33

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:29

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:28

g2k wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:27

These are the games that get your training staff fired.

Every one of them.


How has David Pelletier lasted this long?

Yeah, it might be time for an exhaustive search.

Kurt Browning? You’re it.

Caroline is too far away. You can have Jamie Sale or Kaetlyn Osmond. Those are your options.

Sounds exhaustive to me.

In fact just hire both. Shows you mean business.



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That was painful. Season hangs by a thread and they put up a stinker against the 4th last.


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Pathetic. Disappointing.

Just the same old Oiler self-murduring garbage makes its appearance in an absolutely critical game against a team that played last night and just has to be beaten.

Christ alive, this team....



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Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:42

Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.

Originally I believed it was their way of creating the cap space needed for Sekera.

Then they proceeded with burying Manning in the A (where he’s healthy scratched).

I would assume that when they decided Koskinen was their guy (why?) they had a conversation with Talbot and from that convo they wanted to give him a shot at a situation he could play in and make a difference. Now, he’s reportedly pretty close with Connor Hart, so (again I’m assuming) the idea would be to send him to “mentor” Hart while we get back someone who can be a serviceable backup (jury is still out) and weget an up close look at the guy to see how he meshes with Kosko to perhaps keep him around.



What I want to know is why this organization thought it was so imparitive to sign Koskinen to such a lucrative deal at the point of the year they did? And how after such small sample sizes they figure he’s the goalie to put your hopes on.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:55

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:42

Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.

Originally I believed it was their way of creating the cap space needed for Sekera.

Then they proceeded with burying Manning in the A (where he’s healthy scratched).

I would assume that when they decided Koskinen was their guy (why?) they had a conversation with Talbot and from that convo they wanted to give him a shot at a situation he could play in and make a difference. Now, he’s reportedly pretty close with Connor Hart, so (again I’m assuming) the idea would be to send him to “mentor” Hart while we get back someone who can be a serviceable backup (jury is still out) and weget an up close look at the guy to see how he meshes with Kosko to perhaps keep him around.

What I want to know is why this organization thought it was so imparitive to sign Koskinen to such a lucrative deal at the point of the year they did? And how after such small sample sizes they figure he’s
the goalie to put your hopes on.


I don't doubt any of this, but why wouldn't you let Stolarz start a game as some point? You already are ushering him into UFA, at least find out what you have.

They signed Koskinen with a small sample size. They may sign Stolarz with no sample size.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:42

Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.

They made the decision to keep Koskinen over Talbot. Talbot was walking so you had to get something for him. They needed cap space to get Sekera on the roster so they pulled the trigger. If you move Talbot out, you need a goalie back. I assume they didn't want to call up a guy from Bakersfield which I agree with. In Stolarz, they got a guy who could sit on the bench. You bring him in, see what he can do, maybe you get lucky and he can be your back up. If not. Oh well you don't mess up the development of your goalies in Bakersfield.

For the Flyers, I don't get it what so ever.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 08:07

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:42

Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.

They made the decision to keep Koskinen over Talbot. Talbot was walking so you had to get something for him. They needed cap space to get Sekera on the roster so they pulled the trigger. If you move Talbot out, you need a goalie back. I assume they didn't want to call up a guy from Bakersfield which I agree with. In Stolarz, they got a guy who could sit on the bench. You bring him in, see what he can do, maybe you get lucky and he can be your back up. If not. Oh well you don't mess up the development of your goalies in Bakersfield.

For the Flyers, I don't get it what so ever.


It's because Hart and Talbot got along swimmingly in the off season sharing the same milkshake with separate straws.

I know. It really has an Oileresque ring to it, doesn't it?

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 08:07

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:42

Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.

They made the decision to keep Koskinen over Talbot. Talbot was walking so you had to get something for him. They needed cap space to get Sekera on the roster so they pulled the trigger. If you move Talbot out, you need a goalie back. I assume they didn't want to call up a guy from Bakersfield which I agree with. In Stolarz, they got a guy who could sit on the bench. You bring him in, see what he can do, maybe you get lucky and he can be your back up. If not. Oh well you don't mess up the development of your goalies in Bakersfield.

For the Flyers, I don't get it what so ever.


Sure, but it looks like Stolarz will walk for nothing now instead. And the cap space could have been created by sending Petrovic to the AHL or some other means (it's not like they are playing him).

Point is, they moved one UFA for another, and all they did was get worse in the process. Has Stolarz even started one game? It's not like they are test-driving him to see what they have.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 08:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 08:07

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 00:42

Can someone explain the Talbot-Stolarz trade?

Oilers get probably a worse goalie, who will be almost assuredly be a UFA at the end of the season, and they refuse to play except in relief when Koskinen blows a game.

Meanwhile, Talbot is third-string in Philadelphia and hardly playing (has played in 2 games).

I still don't understand what the point was.

They made the decision to keep Koskinen over Talbot. Talbot was walking so you had to get something for him. They needed cap space to get Sekera on the roster so they pulled the trigger. If you move Talbot out, you need a goalie back. I assume they didn't want to call up a guy from Bakersfield which I agree with. In Stolarz, they got a guy who could sit on the bench. You bring him in, see what he can do, maybe you get lucky and he can be your back up. If not. Oh well you don't mess up the development of your goalies in Bakersfield.

For the Flyers, I don't get it what so ever.


Sure, but it looks like Stolarz will walk for nothing now instead. And the cap space could have been created by sending Petrovic to the AHL or some other means (it's not like they are playing him).

Point is, they moved one UFA for another, and all they did was get worse in the process. Has Stolarz even started one game? It's not like they are test-driving him to see what they have.

One game.

This team and their cap management. It's all so predictable.



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Larsson, Klefbom look like they spent the last days off sitting in front of a bong.

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phone

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I think you are 7 golfers short - it is a 23 man roster


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I called this being a Trap Game. It really came down to special teams in all honesty. Yeah Koskinen didn't have a great game, but you can't fault him for the Zajac goal (cough cough Larsson), and to an extent the 1st goal was all caused by Nurse's inability to ensure the puck got deep. They were in the midst of a change, no excuse for a turnover there at that time.

Had the Oilers continued their play from the 1st period (as they were the better team), they would have had an easy win. But they came out in the 2nd like they figured they had won already. They're not good enough to think there are easy games in this league, and that you theoretically can win by playing 50 minutes a night (10 minutes in PK and being hemmed in your end, icing's etc.). But there is no way you are going to win any game playing less than that. Gotta sweep this road trip.



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Pttthhtt..

The Oilers.

Pttthhhht.

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The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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I looked at the replays of the New jersey goals and the only one you might fault Koskinen on was the third where he dropped down a bit and it went in over his shoulder. The loss was a total team effortless from what I saw. Guess they think they're so good now they don't have to put in the effort. Larsson was a bust and Klefbom looked like he was favoring a nut etc etc etc. Very hard to watch. IMO if it wasn't for Koskinen the Oilers would be resting comfortably on the bottom and we wouldn't even be worked up about this game.

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assuming the two heavy lifters below are counted and they don’t golf , of course


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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733147 is a reply to message #733146 ]
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They should be embarrassed. A team as undermannded as the Devils were, in a back to back game where the Oilers needed to win and you crap the bed like that.

The top 4 defense was awful. When Russell is the best of the bunch, that's a problem. Koskinen wasn't good, neither was Stolarz but by the time Stolarz comes in, it was over anyway. Most of the forwards were lousy. Just a sad, pathetic effort.

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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733152 is a reply to message #733100 ]
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I let myself believe.

Shame on me.



The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733159 is a reply to message #733152 ]
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Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 08:54

I let myself believe.

Shame on me.


I thought it was going to be a long shot but I thought anything was possible. They are done. This was their game in hand, they had to win. I am baffled. The roster is flawed, Chia screwed it up, I know all that. That doesn't excuse that game. The Oilers roster is not good enough to compete with a good team on most nights but the Devils were icing a mostly AHL team. I counted 7 guys who played for the Devils last night who have little to no NHL experience So they had over 2 lines of AHLers. Other than maybe Currie, every player on the Oilers is an NHLer on most teams. Lucic's contract blows, he's not a top 6 guy but he's an NHLer on any team. Brodziak hasn't been very good for the Oilers but I am sure he could be a 4th line center on a lot of teams. Rieder has been horrible but I would guarantee he'd be in the NHL on another team. The Devils best center was Zajac. Even on the Oilers, he'd be a 3rd liner because he's not better then McDavid, not better than Leon and not better than Nuge.

Even McDavid I didn't think was that great. I thought McDavid was the best of the bunch of the Oilers but that isn't saying a hell of a lot. He had 2 assists, good for him but he was still -1. He's better than 3/4 of the Devils by A LOT. He should have been able to DOMINATE that game. He didn't. Leon was been red hot and is way, way better than 3/4 of the Devils, he should have dominated. He didn't. I expected those 2 to be like what Gaudreau did for Calgary. Not even close. Nuge is better than 3/4 of the Devils and he did jack squat. If those 3 alone just play a decent game, they should have cruised.

What pisses me off the most is how too a man, every Oiler when asked have said repeatedly, we believe we can make the playoffs. It doesn't matter who gets interviewed, they say they believe they are going to make it and actually get pissed off when a media says anything remotely against their belief. Good for them, they should believe they can make it. That is their JOB. Their job is to win games and to make the playoffs no matter what the obstacle. Even if I don't think they can make it, it doesn't matter, they should be playing as hard as they can, scratching and clawing and doing whatever they can to try to get in. That is what I expect. So if you believe you are making it, so much so to the point you get offended when someone questions your belief, how the hell do you play like that in a game you have to have. The Devils had lost 7 in a row, lost way more than that on the road, they played the previous night and got thumped. You knew that most likely all these AHLers were going to come out at you hard early but in reality, if you even just mostly matched their intensity you would win because there is a reason these guys aren't in the NHL full time. They aren't good enough. Yet somehow including McDavid, your entire team was FLAT.

Even after the first period when the Oilers were flat and playing like crap, it was 2-2. So that proved they are flat out BETTER than the Devils to be that bad in the first and still tied. All it would take is a little effort and they should pull away. So I thought surely, given how badly they needed that game, they would take the intermission, regroup and come out flying. NOPE!!! What a joke.

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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733165 is a reply to message #733159 ]
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Making the playoffs and mailing in important games like that one don't go hand in hand. Their belief system is flawed ! Looked more like losing for each other so they can get to the golf course early.


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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733166 is a reply to message #733159 ]
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Watching this team year after year, it looks like there is something functionally wrong with the coaching culture. Getting away from management critiques, when I see them play in person (like last night), the mistakes being made on the ice are all basic in nature and should be able to be reduced or eliminated but it never happens.

When Hitch got here, the team implemented a basic Bantam-level breakout plus a similar level defensive end coverage setup- and were successful. Within a couple of weeks that success faded because they stopped playing basic sensible hockey. Look at the PK: after they ditched the "I" formation and got into the aggressive box formation they were effective, but for some reason over the past two months they now scramble, chase, collapse, collide and fail. Who the frolic is responsible for allowing this to happen??? Pee Wee Coaching 101 for crying out loud! The PP: they wouldn't put Yak on the right side for the one timer, thought Letestu on the left side was the answer, gave up, put Connor on the right side, worked okay for a bit, then "Hey let's try Drai on the right side where he can shoot one timers past the goalies all night?" - wow, hide the hamster, putting a player in a position to use his assets to score works!!! Chiasson decides that playing hard in front of the net and scoring Esposito goals is worthwhile - GET HIM OFF THAT LINE.

So my accusation here is that the coaching staff is failing to use the roster in an effective manner. Completely reactionary, not proactive at all. It looks like the coaches have plans (like Eakins' brilliant "run around like Mini-Mites at the outdoor" defence) that have no bearing with reality, no chance of success and no intent of using players' assets wisely. We have a plan, it's our way or the highway!!! But it's failing - BECAUSE YOU ARE A CANCER IN THE DRESSING ROOM.

Now is this because they are being micromanaged from above? I don't know. But why would successive coaches and assistant coaches all start using the same unsuccessful systems over the course of almost two decades? Smells like culture.



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733179 is a reply to message #733166 ]
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stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 16:46

Watching this team year after year, it looks like there is something functionally wrong with the coaching culture. Getting away from management critiques, when I see them play in person (like last night), the mistakes being made on the ice are all basic in nature and should be able to be reduced or eliminated but it never happens.

When Hitch got here, the team implemented a basic Bantam-level breakout plus a similar level defensive end coverage setup- and were successful. Within a couple of weeks that success faded because they stopped playing basic sensible hockey. Look at the PK: after they ditched the "I" formation and got into the aggressive box formation they were effective, but for some reason over the past two months they now scramble, chase, collapse, collide and fail. Who the frolic is responsible for allowing this to happen??? Pee Wee Coaching 101 for crying out loud! The PP: they wouldn't put Yak on the right side for the one timer, thought Letestu on the left side was the answer, gave up, put Connor on the right side, worked okay for a bit, then "Hey let's try Drai on the right side where he can shoot one timers past the goalies all night?" - wow, hide the hamster, putting a player in a position to use his assets to score works!!! Chiasson decides that playing hard in front of the net and scoring Esposito goals is worthwhile - GET HIM OFF THAT LINE.

So my accusation here is that the coaching staff is failing to use the roster in an effective manner. Completely reactionary, not proactive at all. It looks like the coaches have plans (like Eakins' brilliant "run around like Mini-Mites at the outdoor" defence) that have no bearing with reality, no chance of success and no intent of using players' assets wisely. We have a plan, it's our way or the highway!!! But it's failing - BECAUSE YOU ARE A CANCER IN THE DRESSING ROOM.

Now is this because they are being micromanaged from above? I don't know. But why would successive coaches and assistant coaches all start using the same unsuccessful systems over the course of almost two decades? Smells like culture.


That's the thing I loved about Krueger. Base your game plan and tactics around the players you have, as opposed to coming up with a play style and forcing the players you have into that style. If they don't mesh then it's obviously the player's fault. (See T-Mac)

Since Krueger it seems it's been a coaching carousel of trying for force square pegs into round holes.

Yes, I'm still bitter that they ditched Krueger. Best coach we've had since Mac-T & his "oil filter" vs the wings back in 06. Much as I've hated everything Mac-T in a management role, he was a heck of a coach, coming up with plans to beat each opponent we faced.

*edit: Oh yeah, go Islanders!



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733180 is a reply to message #733179 ]
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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 19:25

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 16:46

Watching this team year after year, it looks like there is something functionally wrong with the coaching culture. Getting away from management critiques, when I see them play in person (like last night), the mistakes being made on the ice are all basic in nature and should be able to be reduced or eliminated but it never happens.

When Hitch got here, the team implemented a basic Bantam-level breakout plus a similar level defensive end coverage setup- and were successful. Within a couple of weeks that success faded because they stopped playing basic sensible hockey. Look at the PK: after they ditched the "I" formation and got into the aggressive box formation they were effective, but for some reason over the past two months they now scramble, chase, collapse, collide and fail. Who the frolic is responsible for allowing this to happen??? Pee Wee Coaching 101 for crying out loud! The PP: they wouldn't put Yak on the right side for the one timer, thought Letestu on the left side was the answer, gave up, put Connor on the right side, worked okay for a bit, then "Hey let's try Drai on the right side where he can shoot one timers past the goalies all night?" - wow, hide the hamster, putting a player in a position to use his assets to score works!!! Chiasson decides that playing hard in front of the net and scoring Esposito goals is worthwhile - GET HIM OFF THAT LINE.

So my accusation here is that the coaching staff is failing to use the roster in an effective manner. Completely reactionary, not proactive at all. It looks like the coaches have plans (like Eakins' brilliant "run around like Mini-Mites at the outdoor" defence) that have no bearing with reality, no chance of success and no intent of using players' assets wisely. We have a plan, it's our way or the highway!!! But it's failing - BECAUSE YOU ARE A CANCER IN THE DRESSING ROOM.

Now is this because they are being micromanaged from above? I don't know. But why would successive coaches and assistant coaches all start using the same unsuccessful systems over the course of almost two decades? Smells like culture.


That's the thing I loved about Krueger. Base your game plan and tactics around the players you have, as opposed to coming up with a play style and forcing the players you have into that style. If they don't mesh then it's obviously the player's fault. (See T-Mac)

Since Krueger it seems it's been a coaching carousel of trying for force square pegs into round holes.

Yes, I'm still bitter that they ditched Krueger. Best coach we've had since Mac-T & his "oil filter" vs the wings back in 06. Much as I've hated everything Mac-T in a management role, he was a heck of a coach, coming up with plans to beat each opponent we faced.

*edit: Oh yeah, go Islanders!


He was useless as a GM and VP and POHO and whatever his current title is, but I'll give MacT credit for his time a Head Coach.

Go.... Jets/Islanders/Caps!



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nullterm wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 20:48

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 19:25

stemhovlichski wrote on Thu, 14 March 2019 16:46

Watching this team year after year, it looks like there is something functionally wrong with the coaching culture. Getting away from management critiques, when I see them play in person (like last night), the mistakes being made on the ice are all basic in nature and should be able to be reduced or eliminated but it never happens.

When Hitch got here, the team implemented a basic Bantam-level breakout plus a similar level defensive end coverage setup- and were successful. Within a couple of weeks that success faded because they stopped playing basic sensible hockey. Look at the PK: after they ditched the "I" formation and got into the aggressive box formation they were effective, but for some reason over the past two months they now scramble, chase, collapse, collide and fail. Who the frolic is responsible for allowing this to happen??? Pee Wee Coaching 101 for crying out loud! The PP: they wouldn't put Yak on the right side for the one timer, thought Letestu on the left side was the answer, gave up, put Connor on the right side, worked okay for a bit, then "Hey let's try Drai on the right side where he can shoot one timers past the goalies all night?" - wow, hide the hamster, putting a player in a position to use his assets to score works!!! Chiasson decides that playing hard in front of the net and scoring Esposito goals is worthwhile - GET HIM OFF THAT LINE.

So my accusation here is that the coaching staff is failing to use the roster in an effective manner. Completely reactionary, not proactive at all. It looks like the coaches have plans (like Eakins' brilliant "run around like Mini-Mites at the outdoor" defence) that have no bearing with reality, no chance of success and no intent of using players' assets wisely. We have a plan, it's our way or the highway!!! But it's failing - BECAUSE YOU ARE A CANCER IN THE DRESSING ROOM.

Now is this because they are being micromanaged from above? I don't know. But why would successive coaches and assistant coaches all start using the same unsuccessful systems over the course of almost two decades? Smells like culture.


That's the thing I loved about Krueger. Base your game plan and tactics around the players you have, as opposed to coming up with a play style and forcing the players you have into that style. If they don't mesh then it's obviously the player's fault. (See T-Mac)

Since Krueger it seems it's been a coaching carousel of trying for force square pegs into round holes.

Yes, I'm still bitter that they ditched Krueger. Best coach we've had since Mac-T & his "oil filter" vs the wings back in 06. Much as I've hated everything Mac-T in a management role, he was a heck of a coach, coming up with plans to beat each opponent we faced.

*edit: Oh yeah, go Islanders!


He was useless as a GM and VP and POHO and whatever his current title is, but I'll give MacT credit for his time a Head Coach.

Go.... Jets/Islanders/Caps!


Actually I thought MacT looked good as a coach because he had a good coaching staff and was faced with playoffs where analytics and line matching become more important. Remember the Oilers didn't cruise into the playoffs in '06, it was a tight race down the stretch. But once they had to play 7-game series', their acumen came through. They had aggressive role players, overachievers and leadership - which we could definitely use now.



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 Re: Review: New Jersey @ Edmonton (Game #70) [message #733160 is a reply to message #733100 ]
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More importantly there's a three way tie atop the prediction contest and Survivor 58 is speeding towards round freaking 10.

And they say hockey isn't competitive in Edmonton.



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