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 Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716161]
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https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-extend-qualif ying-offers-to-three-players/c-299247536

....guess they haven't given up hope on Slepychev just yet....not sure if Nurse and/or Strome are arbitration eligible...





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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716162 is a reply to message #716161 ]
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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 23 June 2018 20:07

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-extend-qualif ying-offers-to-three-players/c-299247536

....guess they haven't given up hope on Slepychev just yet....not sure if Nurse and/or Strome are arbitration eligible...




I think Sleepy's offer is just to retain his rights in case he comes back.. another NHL team would have to trade for his rights



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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716163 is a reply to message #716162 ]
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Can we sign Strome for less than his QO if it's more than a 1 year deal? Possibly 2 yrs x $2.5M would be nice


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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716164 is a reply to message #716161 ]
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Right three guys. Didn't agree with the Lowe and Patrick Russell signings, and I might have moved on from Cagguila at 1.5, but at least they aren't qualifying a bunch of fringe prospects with expiring deals.

[Updated on: Sun, 24 June 2018 01:47]


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mightyreasoner wrote on Sat, 23 June 2018 22:49

Right there guys. Didn't agree with the Lowe and Patrick Russell signings, and I might have moved on from Cagguila at 1.5, but at least they aren't qualifying a bunch of fringe prospects with expiring deals.


I'm surprised they kept P. Russell, guy has slow feet, already 25, and not doing much in the AHL, so not likely to do anything in the NHL, so ... why waste a development spot?



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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716314 is a reply to message #716166 ]
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The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:09

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I wouldn't worry about that. Chiarelli won't let somebody else set the market.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:09

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I wouldn't worry about that. Chiarelli won't let somebody else set the market.


Strome's contract needs to start with a 2. I'd have no problem with a 1 or 2 yr dear as a show me. If he wants more, I'd look at trading him.



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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716344 is a reply to message #716329 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 09:57

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:09

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.

I wouldn't worry about that. Chiarelli won't let somebody else set the market.


Strome's contract needs to start with a 2. I'd have no problem with a 1 or 2 yr dear as a show me. If he wants more, I'd look at trading him.


I believe his qualifying offer was 1 year, $3MM. I don't think he's signing a deal that starts with a 2.



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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716323 is a reply to message #716314 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:09

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.


I dont know how he has setup the model but Matt Cane created a full list of FA projections including RFA's

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q-Pnzfvmo_1hDlWu7WqJ HVyTZqy15386jVESKSOf0V4/edit#gid=0

He has been close on all of the signings so far including being only 3.2% off on Rust. Hopefully he is right on Strome as well as he has predicted 2 years /$2,570,183 AAV or a 4 year/$3,655,351 AAV




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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716341 is a reply to message #716314 ]
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The AHL does not have a minimum number of vets you have to play, they have a max.


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hitmen4 wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 12:37

The AHL does not have a minimum number of vets you have to play, they have a max.


Exactly right. It's a development league, so you could field a team entirely made up of 20 year olds if you wanted, but not a team with more than a handful of guys with over 260 pro games.



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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716345 is a reply to message #716314 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 08:09

The AHL requires that you some AHL vets on your roster and playing and if you are letting go a bunch of vets they had last year, it's not the end of the world if they have Russell around.

I saw yesterday that the Pens signed Rust to a 4 yr, 3.5 per year deal which surprised me that the Pens would sign him for that much. Rust is 26, a winger and had 13 goals and 38 pts in 69 games. Rust is primarily a bottom 6 guy. I would have to think that his contract would roughly set the market for Strome which is a big time concern. Strome will be 25 in July, he's a center which in my opinion is worth more than a winger. He has some ability to play on both special teams. He put up 13 goals, 34 pts in 82 games. It took Strome and the Oilers time to figure out where he fit in the line up so I can see him improving on those numbers slightly. I don't mind Strome as their 3rd line center but I don't want to be paying him over 3 mill.


I thought that was actually a decent deal for Rust. He has good chemistry with Malkin. 2 time cup winner too :), and scored 6 and 7 goals in those cup runs.

40+ point pace guys have a going rate of 3-4M now. We're probably gonna pay 3.5 or so for Strome's 34 points in 82 games.



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We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.


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PoolParty wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 15:16

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 16:33

PoolParty wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 15:16

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.


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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 20:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 16:33

PoolParty wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 15:16

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.


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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 22:53

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 20:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 16:33

PoolParty wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 15:16

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.


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If someone could compile all the (blanks) of the year nominations so we could have an Oilfans Award Show, that would be so nice.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 28 June 2018 08:20

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 22:53

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 20:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 16:33

PoolParty wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 15:16

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.


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If someone could compile all the (blanks) of the year nominations so we could have an Oilfans Award Show, that would be so nice.


That sounds like a job for Rocksteady. Anyone else compiles that list, and it will seem too sarcastic!

You sure don't want the #negativity crew picking those.



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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 20:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 16:33

PoolParty wrote on Wed, 27 June 2018 15:16

We are also going to need players that we can make available during the Seattle expansion draft, Strome fits that bill nicely.

I am of the opinion that while you have to keep the expansion draft in mind, it shouldn't make you not do a trade or sign a guy if that player makes them better for the next few seasons. At the end of the day, you will lose 1 player. If your team hasn't got to the point that it can withstand losing 1 guy who's probably a 3rd liner or a #4 or worse dman, you have big problems. Ideally you don't want any players with no moves unless you know they are locks to be on your team in 2 years. I think that as soon as the expansion draft comes, both Russell and Sekera's contracts will be up. I would be surprised if they are hear after this season anyway as their no moves go to modified next year. I also think that Lucic will be gone. Just a hunch but I think he will get traded.


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.....Strome is the only Oiler who can file for arbitration....today, July 5, is the last day to file for arbitration....

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-deadline-to-file-for-arbitration-is-t oday-1.1131524








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GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 07:12

.....Strome is the only Oiler who can file for arbitration....today, July 5, is the last day to file for arbitration....

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-deadline-to-file-for-arbitration-is-t oday-1.1131524



I don't mind seeing players file for arbitration. You have some certainty that they'll reach an agreement and there's no more risk of offer sheets once they file. 95% of the cases never get adjudicated anyhow and there's more of a science now than 20 years ago, so you don't have as many cases where there's massive animosity created by the process (ie. Milbury/Salo).



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I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.



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If i understand it correctly the qualifying offer had to be $3 mil per year. So that's the basement unless they do that reverse arbitration thing.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


All the market comps are $3MM+ and his qualifying offer was at $3MM, so not likely he's going to make less. Only question is how long you want him for. If it's only 1-2 years, you can probably keep the cost down a little.

Nurse is probably the second highest paid d-man when all is said and done here.

There's $8MM cap space - I'd bet that Strome and Nurse eat up pretty much all of it. That still only gives us 22 roster players, so there's probably a very cheap 14th forward out there somewhere, unless the team somehow finds a way to free cap space and replace a body with someone who's more economical.

Interesting thought on the 14th forward - the Gryba buyout is probably a significant difference if you have a player at league minimum, or someone you can pay 50% more...

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


All the market comps are $3MM+ and his qualifying offer was at $3MM, so not likely he's going to make less. Only question is how long you want him for. If it's only 1-2 years, you can probably keep the cost down a little.

Nurse is probably the second highest paid d-man when all is said and done here.

There's $8MM cap space - I'd bet that Strome and Nurse eat up pretty much all of it. That still only gives us 22 roster players, so there's probably a very cheap 14th forward out there somewhere, unless the team somehow finds a way to free cap space and replace a body with someone who's more economical.

Interesting thought on the 14th forward - the Gryba buyout is probably a significant difference if you have a player at league minimum, or someone you can pay 50% more...

I wouldn't sign him for any longer than 1-2 years because when you have a guy in McDavid making what it would cost you for 2-3 really good NHLers, you have to find ways to save money in other areas. So you can't be spending big money on your bottom 6.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 09:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.



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OilPeg wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 09:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.


Technically, it would be 3 years ago. icon_wink

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.



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Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:28

OilPeg wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 09:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.


Technically, it would be 3 years ago. icon_wink

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.



It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:53

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:28

OilPeg wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 09:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.


Technically, it would be 3 years ago. icon_wink

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.



It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.


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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:53

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:28

OilPeg wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 09:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.


Technically, it would be 3 years ago. icon_wink

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.



It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.



You could go glass half-full on this..."Yes, it sucks that we made this terrible signing/trade/decision today, but at least I don't feel as bad about this as I probably will in two years time, so let's enjoy the now!"



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Adam wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 11:34

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:53

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 10:28

OilPeg wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 08:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 09:32

I see Jenner signed a 4 yr 15 mill deal with the Jackets. So a 3.75 mill per season average. He's 25. Jenner in 75 games this past year had 13 goals, 32 pts. The year before in 82 games he had 18 goals 34 pts. It's making me nervous for a Strome contract. Strome is going to be 25 next week. He in 82 games had 13 goals, 34 pts. In the previous year he had 13 goals, 30 pts in 69 games. So really similar points to Jenner.

I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3.


Don't forget that Jenner scored 30 goals two years ago...yes, the last two years are more his average, but that 30 goal year can't be ignored.


Technically, it would be 3 years ago. icon_wink

And Ryan Strome had a 50 point season once upon a time too.

I called this out as an issue when they first traded for Strome. The Oilers got no cost certainty beyond the year when Mcdavid was still on his ELC and therefore they didn't need (and as it turned out, didn't even use) the cap space.

So now they're going to be paying between $3-$4M for a guy that's going to score 30-ish points and doesn't PK or really contribute to the PP. This is not a rare player and they are not getting any kind of bargain for him. They essentially traded Eberle for nothing.



It really is amazing how many trades look below average in the moment and age even worse.
At a risk of being yet another poster branded as negative I actually have a form of sports fan PTSD every time my phone notifies me of a Score update that is Oiler related. I am at the point where it is more likely than not a deal that looks bad at first glance and in two years look seven worse.



You could go glass half-full on this..."Yes, it sucks that we made this terrible signing/trade/decision today, but at least I don't feel as bad about this as I probably will in two years time, so let's enjoy the now!"


Not a bad idea. If I combine that with Pi's idea;

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 Re: Oilers Qualify 3; Nurse, Slepychev, Strome [message #716725 is a reply to message #716688 ]
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Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


That's about market value these days for a #3C that can put up 30-40 points.

I really didn't mind Strome when he actually got a stable spot as the #3C. I hope we get better PP coaching this year, maybe the guy could be a part of a decent 2nd unit.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


Looks like $6.2M for 2 years, $3.1M AAV

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Daftmonk wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:57

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


Looks like $6.2M for 2 years, $3.1M AAV

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers




eh..... Chia musta contracted out this negotiation.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 10:00

Daftmonk wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:57

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


Looks like $6.2M for 2 years, $3.1M AAV

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers




eh..... Chia musta contracted out this negotiation.



icon_lol Well, there's the Gryba buyout money, eh? A stroke of genius.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 10:00

Daftmonk wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:57

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


Looks like $6.2M for 2 years, $3.1M AAV

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers




eh..... Chia musta contracted out this negotiation.

icon_lol The Strome contract is actually pretty decent. 100K over qualifying on a 2 yr deal. Considering Jenner just signed for 4 yrs at 3.75 mill which I think is high and I just read an article written by McCurdy that Stromes numbers and Jenners numbers are virtually identical (Strome has 5 less games and 2 less points), I think Chia did a good job with this one.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 11:00

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 10:00

Daftmonk wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:57

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


Looks like $6.2M for 2 years, $3.1M AAV

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers




eh..... Chia musta contracted out this negotiation.

icon_lol The Strome contract is actually pretty decent. 100K over qualifying on a 2 yr deal. Considering Jenner just signed for 4 yrs at 3.75 mill which I think is high and I just read an article written by McCurdy that Stromes numbers and Jenners numbers are virtually identical (Strome has 5 less games and 2 less points), I think Chia did a good job with this one.


...wonder who was saying yesterday..."I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3."...




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GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 11:00

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 10:00

Daftmonk wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:57

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:49

Strome re-upped for 2 years. Haven't seen a $ value yet, but I'm guessing somewhere around $3.5

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-sign-strome/c -299426998


Looks like $6.2M for 2 years, $3.1M AAV

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers




eh..... Chia musta contracted out this negotiation.

icon_lol The Strome contract is actually pretty decent. 100K over qualifying on a 2 yr deal. Considering Jenner just signed for 4 yrs at 3.75 mill which I think is high and I just read an article written by McCurdy that Stromes numbers and Jenners numbers are virtually identical (Strome has 5 less games and 2 less points), I think Chia did a good job with this one.


...wonder who was saying yesterday..."I personally think you are paying too much money for Strome if he is more than 3."...


I would prefer Strome be under 3 mill personally but I want every player to come in cheaper than they usually are. But as I said and qualified my response with, considering Jenner just signed for 3.75 mill yesterday and they are virtually the same player, 3.1 mill is pretty good. By the looks of things, the Oilers just saved themselves 650K for a player who will probably put up similar numbers to Jenner. Is there something wrong with that?



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