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One year deal, per Oilers twitter. Salary tbd

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/99136152412 2857472



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I was worried it would be more than 1 yr but since its only 1 yr, I can handle it. It will be interesting to see what the money is. He's got pretty awesome KHL numbers. Hopefully that translate to the NHL.

Talbot may have just swallowed a little harder and told the wife he's going to the gym a little earlier than usual. I don't think he was too worried about his job or playing time the last couple of seasons. Hopefully between Montoya and Koskinen, there will be a bit of a push for the crease.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:13

I was worried it would be more than 1 yr but since its only 1 yr, I can handle it. It will be interesting to see what the money is. He's got pretty awesome KHL numbers. Hopefully that translate to the NHL.

Talbot may have just swallowed a little harder and told the wife he's going to the gym a little earlier than usual. I don't think he was too worried about his job or playing time the last couple of seasons. Hopefully between Montoya and Koskinen, there will be a bit of a push for the crease.


Either that or he's noticed that Koskinen's numbers aren't much different than Nilsson's KHL numbers and that Koskinen was playing on a stacked team all year and so he isn't worried at all.

Dude is big though...



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 Re: Oilers sign Koskinen [message #714165 is a reply to message #714161 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:13

I was worried it would be more than 1 yr but since its only 1 yr, I can handle it. It will be interesting to see what the money is. He's got pretty awesome KHL numbers. Hopefully that translate to the NHL.

Talbot may have just swallowed a little harder and told the wife he's going to the gym a little earlier than usual. I don't think he was too worried about his job or playing time the last couple of seasons. Hopefully between Montoya and Koskinen, there will be a bit of a push for the crease.


Either that or he's noticed that Koskinen's numbers aren't much different than Nilsson's KHL numbers and that Koskinen was playing on a stacked team all year and so he isn't worried at all.

Dude is big though...


Well if you remember early on, Nilsson was signed out of the KHL and took the starters job while Talbot sputtered then Talbot picked up his socks and took it back. I am cool if that were to happen.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:54

Adam wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:13

I was worried it would be more than 1 yr but since its only 1 yr, I can handle it. It will be interesting to see what the money is. He's got pretty awesome KHL numbers. Hopefully that translate to the NHL.

Talbot may have just swallowed a little harder and told the wife he's going to the gym a little earlier than usual. I don't think he was too worried about his job or playing time the last couple of seasons. Hopefully between Montoya and Koskinen, there will be a bit of a push for the crease.


Either that or he's noticed that Koskinen's numbers aren't much different than Nilsson's KHL numbers and that Koskinen was playing on a stacked team all year and so he isn't worried at all.

Dude is big though...


Well if you remember early on, Nilsson was signed out of the KHL and took the starters job while Talbot sputtered then Talbot picked up his socks and took it back. I am cool if that were to happen.


Totally get what you’re saying here, but I’d prefer if Talbot just plays like he can. We, the Oilers, need Talbot to be on his game to make any noise next season. He can’t sputter along while trying to figure his game out. I’d bet he’s back to his 2016-17 form next season, being a contract year. Koskinen provides a hopeful replacement for 15-20 games. Dude is big. Hopefully he and TBot can feed off each other.



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Hopefully the salary isn't a number that'll drive people a bit crazy, otherwise this a worthwhile gamble to make.


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MJ wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:32

Hopefully the salary isn't a number that'll drive people a bit crazy, otherwise this a worthwhile gamble to make.


Ohhh ohhh MJ.. His salary is 2.5M

2 POINT 5 for A FREAKING UNPROVEN BACKUP. Montoya is 1.05 for next season. 1 POINT ZERO 5.

One year, great.. will put us in cap hell even more than we already are.

STUPID CHIA.. STUPID STUPID STUPID.

He's mentally incompetent and if his plan that the upper management love so much is to torpedo this organization, he's doing a fine job.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:10

One year deal, per Oilers twitter. Salary tbd

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/99136152412 2857472


Have seen a couple tweets about salary. Reportedly worth 2.25M + bonuses.

That’s hefty.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:05

OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 11:10

One year deal, per Oilers twitter. Salary tbd

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/99136152412 2857472


Have seen a couple tweets about salary. Reportedly worth 2.25M + bonuses.

That’s hefty.



LeBrun says 2Mill base plus 500K signing.

https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/991381300585132035

I dont know enough about this guy outside of the stats on paper but SOMEONE better be good in net next year. With this much tied up in goalies and nothing set in stone for the season after it is a bit concerning.



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Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

computer


I agree. My biggest issue with PC (among many) is his habit of overpaying for secondary roles, that while important, should not be on the high end of the scale.
Bottom 6 forwards, 4-6 defenceman and backup goalies should not be paid premium prices when you have high end players that have big contracts.
Just based on simple economics this shouldnt be a constant offseason occurrence.

Specifically to this signing, the revolving door of backup goalies is pretty amazing. Every offseason there are a pile of proven, capable backup goalies available yet the Oilers, time and again, bring in unknowns/young guys/low percentage breakout players, etc.



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

computer


Such as?


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa

Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T


So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

computer


Such as?


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa

Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T


So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out.


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AM played 6. .906/2.94

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A quick look at capfriendly tells me the guys you list as being terrible in the NHL all had similar or better stats than our backups, some better than our starter.

this list made less than 1.3 mill last year;
Carter Hutton
Anton Khudobin
Antti Niemi
Ondrej Pavelec

I will be honest. I have dont have enough eye test knowledge to say which of those guys is best but I would be happier with any of them at 1-1.5 than this signing.

I am not saying any of the UFA goalies are all star's. In fact I wouldnt want to pay any of them 2.5mill to be a backup.

Which leads us back to, how can you, or more importantly PC, justify that much for a completely unproven 30 (as of July) year old?



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

computer


Such as?


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa

Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T


So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out.


LB played 11 games where he got W or L. .883 SP/3.24 GAA
AM played 6. .906/2.94

for comparison
CT 65/.908/3.02

A quick look at capfriendly tells me the guys you list as being terrible in the NHL all had similar or better stats than our backups, some better than our starter.

this list made less than 1.3 mill last year;
Carter Hutton
Anton Khudobin
Antti Niemi
Ondrej Pavelec

I will be honest. I have dont have enough eye test knowledge to say which of those guys is best but I would be happier with any of them at 1-1.5 than this signing.

I am not saying any of the UFA goalies are all star's. In fact I wouldnt want to pay any of them 2.5mill to be a backup.

Which leads us back to, how can you, or more importantly PC, justify that much for a completely unproven 30 (as of July) year old?


Niemi isn't he the guy that played so poorly that he was waived by half the of eastern conference teams last year?



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PoolParty wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:31

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

computer


Such as?


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL. All I know is the Oilers goaltending was lousy this past season and was a big time reason they stunk. I firmly believe that Talbot will bounce back and be way better but they need to stop playing him 65+ games. Those days seem to be gone. They need a guy that is capable of playing at least 20 games, maybe 25. I have a hard time believing you will find a guy making 1 mill capable of playing that much unless you luck out and find some young guy. They tried it with Brossoit. It blew up in their face. Guys making 1 mill are usually guys like Montoya. Here is the list of UFA goalies.

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/a ll/goalies/ufa

Of the list of top guys. I sure don't want Lehtenon, Halak, Ward Lack, Johnson, Pavelec, Hammond because they are lousy in the NHL. Bernier was decent but he was already making 2.75 mill and coming off an OK season so he probably get a raise. Khudobin would interest me but why would Boston let him go and he gets a significant raise. The guys I would really like is Hutton but the Blues would be nuts to let him go and he might become their starter as his numbers were awesome. T


So I don't mind paying a guy some money because if you want a good guy, you have to pay him. But what concerns me is rolling the dice on a guy with not a lot of NHL experience. I hope it works out.


LB played 11 games where he got W or L. .883 SP/3.24 GAA
AM played 6. .906/2.94

for comparison
CT 65/.908/3.02

A quick look at capfriendly tells me the guys you list as being terrible in the NHL all had similar or better stats than our backups, some better than our starter.

this list made less than 1.3 mill last year;
Carter Hutton
Anton Khudobin
Antti Niemi
Ondrej Pavelec

I will be honest. I have dont have enough eye test knowledge to say which of those guys is best but I would be happier with any of them at 1-1.5 than this signing.

I am not saying any of the UFA goalies are all star's. In fact I wouldnt want to pay any of them 2.5mill to be a backup.

Which leads us back to, how can you, or more importantly PC, justify that much for a completely unproven 30 (as of July) year old?


Niemi isn't he the guy that played so poorly that he was waived by half the of eastern conference teams last year?



Yep, he played very poorly in 3 games for the penguins and 2 for the Panthers. He then played in Montreal. 19 games, .929 save % and a 2.46 GAA.

If you gave me that Montreal stat line, for the 700K he made, as our backup next year I would be just fine with it.

Added bonus, he is Finnish! bonus box checked.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL.


Per Ryan Batty on Twitter, since 15/16, Koskinen has actually performed average (11 spots ahead of Scrivezina! But 8 spots behind Fasth...) for KHL goalies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcIvjEMU8AAnNPY.jpg:large



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:14


I am not saying this is a good or bad signing because I know nothing about the guy. He's got really good KHL numbers and has put them up for a number of seasons, great. Now let's see if that translates to the NHL.


Per Ryan Batty on Twitter, since 15/16, Koskinen has actually performed average (11 spots ahead of Scrivezina! But 8 spots behind Fasth...) for KHL goalies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcIvjEMU8AAnNPY.jpg:large


Thanks for posting this. I had seen it then when I wanted to reference it here I couldnt find it.
Also note he is better than Scrivens but 8 spots behind Fasth.

I hope I am the one being mocked but this may be a fun thread to revisit a year from now.



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

Are we at the point of needing wellness checks on Chiarelli yet?

2.5M for an unproven nobody? There will likely be 8-10 capable backups available who would play for 1M, and yet again, the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

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Maybe, but there are a BUNCH of teams (16 actually) that need a backup and/or a starter, so even though there are lots available, there are an equal, if not greater number of teams in need of a tender.



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?



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Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.

So you admit you know basically nothing about contract negotiating, talent evaluation and managing a multimillion dollar business?
The guys in charge eat, sleep and breath this stuff. They know how to do those things because they won a lot of Stanley cups. Basically they know about winning and you don't. Oh, and they have a PLAN that they will unveil after the forensic diagnostic evaluation of the audits.



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Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:09

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the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.

So you admit you know basically nothing about contract negotiating, talent evaluation and managing a multimillion dollar business?
The guys in charge eat, sleep and breath this stuff. They know how to do those things because they won a lot of Stanley cups. Basically they know about winning and you don't. Oh, and they have a PLAN that they will unveil after the forensic diagnostic evaluation of the audits.

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Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.

So you admit you know basically nothing about contract negotiating, talent evaluation and managing a multimillion dollar business?
The guys in charge eat, sleep and breath this stuff. They know how to do those things because they won a lot of Stanley cups. Basically they know about winning and you don't. Oh, and they have a PLAN that they will unveil after the forensic diagnostic evaluation of the audits.


I think you got confused there and thought you were talking to the real GM who also seems to struggle with contract negotiating, talent evaluation and managing a multimillion dollar business...

Wait a second...CrusaderPi isn't really Chiarelli, is he?




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Adam wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 16:07

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.

So you admit you know basically nothing about contract negotiating, talent evaluation and managing a multimillion dollar business?
The guys in charge eat, sleep and breath this stuff. They know how to do those things because they won a lot of Stanley cups. Basically they know about winning and you don't. Oh, and they have a PLAN that they will unveil after the forensic diagnostic evaluation of the audits.


I think you got confused there and thought you were talking to the real GM who also seems to struggle with contract negotiating, talent evaluation and managing a multimillion dollar business...

Wait a second...CrusaderPi isn't really Chiarelli, is he?



Wait, am I? Guys. I really need an answer here. I think I might be accidentally screwing up the Oilers.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.


5 cups in 15ish years. You should have a yearly banner raising to commemorate past greatness.



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.


5 cups in 15ish years. You should have a yearly banner raising to commemorate past greatness.

MJ KEEPS PRUNING POSTS! I SHOULD HAVE 11,000 POSTS BY NOW!!!

Although, no one can have more than 6 cups. If anyone possessed more knowledge than that they'd tear at the very fabric of the universe.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:14

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.


5 cups in 15ish years. You should have a yearly banner raising to commemorate past greatness.

MJ KEEPS PRUNING POSTS! I SHOULD HAVE 11,000 POSTS BY NOW!!!

Although, no one can have more than 6 cups. If anyone possessed more knowledge than that they'd tear at the very fabric of the universe.


I skipped the rest after "pruning". Got me thinking.
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.


6 Cups, 5 Summer League Hockey Championships and THREE Oilfans Survivors.

So I think I know a thing or two about winning, if that was ever a concern.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 15:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:59

Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?

According to my sidebar here? <checks> 5 cups.


6 Cups, 5 Summer League Hockey Championships and THREE Oilfans Survivors.

So I think I know a thing or two about winning, if that was ever a concern.

Is there anyone else in Oilfans who has won more Stanley cups than you?

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Jay wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:49

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:50

the Oilers have to try be the smartest guy in the classroom.

How many Stanley Cups have YOU won?


Same number in the last 28 years.



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Good move!


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Wow at the number. They must really think he can push for a #1 spot this season or something that's the only thing I can get out of it.


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I feel bad for the box, getting checked so damn hard.


Hope this guy can actually perform in the NHL. Would be really nice to have a backup that is closer to starter than he is to ECHLer.



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Maybe I’m in the minority in this, but this is good for the Oilers. Koskinen *should* push Talbot all while tutoring Jesse Puljujarvi in English providing a Finnish mentor for young JP.


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OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:36

Maybe I’m in the minority in this, but this is good for the Oilers. Koskinen *should* push Talbot all while tutoring Jesse Puljujarvi in English providing a Finnish mentor for young JP.

This is one of those moves where if a good team and a good GM made it, I'd give them the benefit of doubt. However, since it's the Oilers and Chiarelli... no benefits will be given and I'm going to assume the move is stupid until proven otherwise.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:42

OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:36

Maybe I’m in the minority in this, but this is good for the Oilers. Koskinen *should* push Talbot all while tutoring Jesse Puljujarvi in English providing a Finnish mentor for young JP.

This is one of those moves where if a good team and a good GM made it, I'd give them the benefit of doubt. However, since it's the Oilers and Chiarelli... no benefits will be given and I'm going to assume the move is stupid until proven otherwise.


I still dont think I would like it. While on capfriendly looking at FA goalies I decided to check out some of the team goalie tandem cap hits.

Of the 16 playoff teams only one pay a goalie the same or more than Koskinen. That would be Colorado

Of the 15 non playoff teams there 4.

Now, this one fact isn't indicative of it being a problem by itself but it is an interesting snapshot of how successful teams are signing players.

Using this year as a comparison there are teams paying backups making more
DAL- (Lehtonen @ 5.9 and Bishop at 4.9)
NYI- Halak and Greiss
FLA- Luongo and Reimer
COL- Varlamov and Bernier
CAR- Darling and Ward

Paying a backup this much is a usually a clear indication of;
- lack of faith in the starter
- signing a successor to the incumbent
- bad managment

Talbot is a year older then Koskinen (to the month)
Neither is signed past this year.

RDOF asked people to look at capfriendly. I wish I wouldn't have. The more I look at goalie salaries the dumber this looks.

I suppose the bright side is with enough overpays we cant blame cap space for underperforming next year. Although I would suggest he never got a fair shake here.







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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:42

OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:36

Maybe I’m in the minority in this, but this is good for the Oilers. Koskinen *should* push Talbot all while tutoring Jesse Puljujarvi in English providing a Finnish mentor for young JP.

This is one of those moves where if a good team and a good GM made it, I'd give them the benefit of doubt. However, since it's the Oilers and Chiarelli... no benefits will be given and I'm going to assume the move is stupid until proven otherwise.


I still dont think I would like it. While on capfriendly looking at FA goalies I decided to check out some of the team goalie tandem cap hits.

Of the 16 playoff teams only one pay a goalie the same or more than Koskinen. That would be Colorado

Of the 15 non playoff teams there 4.

Now, this one fact isn't indicative of it being a problem by itself but it is an interesting snapshot of how successful teams are signing players.

Using this year as a comparison there are teams paying backups making more
DAL- (Lehtonen @ 5.9 and Bishop at 4.9)
NYI- Halak and Greiss
FLA- Luongo and Reimer
COL- Varlamov and Bernier
CAR- Darling and Ward

Paying a backup this much is a usually a clear indication of;
- lack of faith in the starter
- signing a successor to the incumbent
- bad managment

Talbot is a year older then Koskinen (to the month)
Neither is signed past this year.

RDOF asked people to look at capfriendly. I wish I wouldn't have. The more I look at goalie salaries the dumber this looks.

I suppose the bright side is with enough overpays we cant blame cap space for underperforming next year. Although I would suggest he never got a fair shake here.







How many of those teams have a starter that they're paying significantly more than Talbot though?

Rinne is $7m
Rask $7m
Holtby $6.1m
Jones $5.75m
Varlamov $5.9m
Schneider $6m
Andersen $5.3m
Quick $5.8m
Fleury $5.75m
Allen $4.35m
Dubnyk $4.33m

There are only 5 teams paying their starter less than us, and of those one would think that Hallebuyck will be getting a big pay day on his next contract, same with Vasilevsky in Tampa and Murray in Pittsburgh and Gibson in Anaheim.
That leave Philly, but I don't think any team wants to model their goalie situation on what Philly does.

It only seems fair to compare what teams are paying for their goalie tandem, not just the starter. Oilers are right in the middle of the pack when you factor that in, which I have no problem with.

Goalie cap hit isn't what's hurting us, it's $4m with NMC for 3rd pairing D, $6m with NMC for 2LW (arguably 3LW based off last year), $1.95m for 4RW...




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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:25



It only seems fair to compare what teams are paying for their goalie tandem, not just the starter. Oilers are right in the middle of the pack when you factor that in, which I have no problem with.




I removed parts of your post for space, not to ignore them...

I totally get where you are coming from on total cap hit but I think it means nothing.
If both guys played exactly 41 games then it would matter.
This isnt the socialist republic of the NHL. Below you will mention other contracts. If your arguement on goalie cap hit was true then the overpay on guys like Lucic and Russell shouldnt matter given McDavid was so underpaid this past season.

My point was more that well managed teams dont have secondary role players being overpaid.

I think Talbot an above average starter in the league and is paid like one. He is 21st in cap hit for goalies this year. I think that would make him slightly underpaid. (Koskinen is 37th for those keeping track at home)
That doesnt mean you go out and waste money.

The only thing that matters is the best team under the total cap. I couldnt care less if the Oilers had the best goalie in the league and he made 1.5 mill a year. It doesnt mean you have to waste that bonus on a backup.

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 14:25



Goalie cap hit isn't what's hurting us, it's $4m with NMC for 3rd pairing D, $6m with NMC for 2LW (arguably 3LW based off last year), $1.95m for 4RW...




this part I totally agree on minus the goalie part. If you take one million from all of those overpays you mention, and this one. the multiple issues with the roster become a lot easier to fix.

All of these signings are exactly what is hurting us, cap wise



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 13:25


It only seems fair to compare what teams are paying for their goalie tandem, not just the starter. Oilers are right in the middle of the pack when you factor that in, which I have no problem with.




I look at it totally the opposite. Unless you think that Talbot/Koskinen are going to be 1A/1B.

But the Oilers have given no indication that's how they plan to deploy them. In a lost season in which he was injured, Talbot still played the most games in the NHL. Maybe the plan is to have Talbot only play 45-50 games next year, in which case maybe you can justify paying a backup that much. But until that happens, I'm going to assume the Oilers just blew whatever advantage they gained by having Talbot on a relatively cheap deal on a mediocre backup that is going to play, at best, 15-20 games (barring injury).



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OilMJMOil wrote on Tue, 01 May 2018 12:36

Maybe I’m in the minority in this, but this is good for the Oilers. Koskinen *should* push Talbot all while tutoring Jesse Puljujarvi in English providing a Finnish mentor for young JP.


I also don't see much downside here. You've now got a 2A and 2B goalie to cover off Talbot. Overall cap hit is reasonable compared to other teams. All 3 goalies are UFA's next summer so if it doesn't work you've got flexibility moving forward.

I will also add that my sentiments are based on the hope that Chia and the gang did their homework on Koskinen and that he "can" actually be a competent back-up. If not, then we're no worse off than last year and Chia will be canned next spring anyway. I know if my job was on the line, I would be pretty damn sure about this.

Last comment on this: Next year won't be won or lost with who the back-up is. Yes, Talbot shouldn't play 65+ games, so having a decent back-up is important. That said, if the team in front of him can't play it won't matter who's in net and the failure of the season won't be solely hung on the goaltending. This is just 1 step in fixing what's broken. Plenty more to do Chia.



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