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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809062 is a reply to message #809059 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:22

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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809065 is a reply to message #809062 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:28

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

Is there loyalty in sports anymore? If your heart isn't in it to put in the work in the offseason to get ready and then spend the next 8 months getting beaten on, I have to think loyalty only goes so far. When I hear retired guys talk, they talk about missing the looker room and the team and maybe the roar of the crowd but they don't miss the prep and training and all the physical toll it takes on your body.
He wanted to make the move for his son who I think is 7 or 8. I have 2 boys, 11.5 and 9. I didn't really love the baby years but now it's great. I can do things with them, they help me with stuff, taking them to sports, watching them play sports. It's fun. He plays another year, that's another year of that gone.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809067 is a reply to message #809065 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:42

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:28

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

Is there loyalty in sports anymore? If your heart isn't in it to put in the work in the offseason to get ready and then spend the next 8 months getting beaten on, I have to think loyalty only goes so far. When I hear retired guys talk, they talk about missing the looker room and the team and maybe the roar of the crowd but they don't miss the prep and training and all the physical toll it takes on your body.
He wanted to make the move for his son who I think is 7 or 8. I have 2 boys, 11.5 and 9. I didn't really love the baby years but now it's great. I can do things with them, they help me with stuff, taking them to sports, watching them play sports. It's fun. He plays another year, that's another year of that gone.

The kid is certainly going to be a factor in his decision, but so is the millions of dollars and what screwing over the 'hawks would do to his reputation and future employment opportunities. I do think loyalty does still matter to some people, especially us older folks who are nearing the end of their current road.

We shall see what happens, I just wouldn't make a bet on Keith retiring unless I got decent odds.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809069 is a reply to message #809067 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:51

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:42

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:28

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

Is there loyalty in sports anymore? If your heart isn't in it to put in the work in the offseason to get ready and then spend the next 8 months getting beaten on, I have to think loyalty only goes so far. When I hear retired guys talk, they talk about missing the looker room and the team and maybe the roar of the crowd but they don't miss the prep and training and all the physical toll it takes on your body.
He wanted to make the move for his son who I think is 7 or 8. I have 2 boys, 11.5 and 9. I didn't really love the baby years but now it's great. I can do things with them, they help me with stuff, taking them to sports, watching them play sports. It's fun. He plays another year, that's another year of that gone.

The kid is certainly going to be a factor in his decision, but so is the millions of dollars and what screwing over the 'hawks would do to his reputation and future employment opportunities. I do think loyalty does still matter to some people, especially us older folks who are nearing the end of their current road.

We shall see what happens, I just wouldn't make a bet on Keith retiring unless I got decent odds.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809066 is a reply to message #809062 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:40

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

I don't think it was really the Hawks doing Keith a solid.. although it was a benefit to Keith.. they needed to get that cap off the books so they could sign S. Jones... and his brother to help seal the deal.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809068 is a reply to message #809066 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:48

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

I don't think it was really the Hawks doing Keith a solid.. although it was a benefit to Keith.. they needed to get that cap off the books so they could sign S. Jones... and his brother to help seal the deal.

The way I see it both parties, Keith and the Hawks, did favors for each other. This doesn't happen that often in Edmonton for whatever reason, but other clubs can make it happen. I don't expect Keith to go back on this quid pro quo, but accept I could be wrong.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809091 is a reply to message #809068 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 14:40

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:48

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

I don't think it was really the Hawks doing Keith a solid.. although it was a benefit to Keith.. they needed to get that cap off the books so they could sign S. Jones... and his brother to help seal the deal.

The way I see it both parties, Keith and the Hawks, did favors for each other. This doesn't happen that often in Edmonton for whatever reason, but other clubs can make it happen. I don't expect Keith to go back on this quid pro quo, but accept I could be wrong.

They're talking rebuild in Chicago - tearing it down and trading away anyone with a pulse. It might be doing them a solid to give them a cap hit if they're pushing for the cap floor...

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809084 is a reply to message #809066 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 13:28

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

I don't think it was really the Hawks doing Keith a solid.. although it was a benefit to Keith.. they needed to get that cap off the books so they could sign S. Jones... and his brother to help seal the deal.

I think they clearly wanted him gone too. Everyone seemed to know they were making a play for Jones, largely to distract from the scandal and Bowman trying to save his job.

Sadly, we seemed to let the Hawks control the narrative to make it seem like they were doing us a solid. Holland played right into that of course.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809093 is a reply to message #809084 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 14:43

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 13:28

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:40

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 09:22

Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

I can't see Keith sticking it to the Blackhawks after they did him a solid by trading him near Kelowna. It might happen, but I'd be stunned. The Smith situation is a little different. He won't hurt anyone by retiring and probably help his body a lot. The contract is set up so retirement can happen, which is nice. The problem is Smith is still the Oilers best option in net and he comes with a low cap hit.

I don't think it was really the Hawks doing Keith a solid.. although it was a benefit to Keith.. they needed to get that cap off the books so they could sign S. Jones... and his brother to help seal the deal.

I think they clearly wanted him gone too. Everyone seemed to know they were making a play for Jones, largely to distract from the scandal and Bowman trying to save his job.

Sadly, we seemed to let the Hawks control the narrative to make it seem like they were doing us a solid. Holland played right into that of course.

Hey, how often is a Norris & Conn Smythe winning defenceman with three Stanley Cup rings available. Especially for the low low price of a pick and a prospect and zero interest in any salary retention!

It's not even possible to measure just how much his leadership has meant to the Oilers over the last year.

We probably should be sending a thank you card to them actually.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809098 is a reply to message #809093 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 15:12

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you mean a thank you pick. that's how you REALLY Oilers it up.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809063 is a reply to message #809059 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 10:22

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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 10:11

Wishful thinking aside, I do wonder if there is a legit change Keith does retire. Smith I think it's a given. Just the way he talked, all the I don't knows when asked, even saying I don't know if he has it in him to train again, says a lot. But the fact Holland put it out there he gave Keith a deadline to let him know says to me, something was said in their end of year meeting that he was thinking about it seriously.

I worry the Oilers are trying to talk Keith and Smith out of retirement, instead of pushing as hard as they can to get them gone...

Offer them shadow jobs. Do whatever you need to get their caps off the books

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809085 is a reply to message #808855 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 13:36

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809113 is a reply to message #808855 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 19:01

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Bill Daly says there won't be a cap credit to the Oilers if Keith retires.

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/15/daly-there-will-be-no-ca p-credit-for-edmonton-oilers-if-duncan-keith-retires/

This is the only quote in the article...

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“No, there is no concept of a ‘cap credit’ for current teams that may lose a player to retirement,”

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809114 is a reply to message #809113 ]	Wed, 15 June 2022 19:13

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 18:01

Bill Daly says there won't be a cap credit to the Oilers if Keith retires.

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/15/daly-there-will-be-no-ca p-credit-for-edmonton-oilers-if-duncan-keith-retires/

This is the only quote in the article...

Quote:

“No, there is no concept of a ‘cap credit’ for current teams that may lose a player to retirement,”

SUE EVERYONE

Decision not really up to Gary's pet dog Daly.. its in the CBA.. and it has $3M of NHL player salary tied to it.. and Daly wants to eliminate it.. pretty sure it'll be a NHLPA concern.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809128 is a reply to message #809114 ]	Thu, 16 June 2022 08:18

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 19:13

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 18:01

Bill Daly says there won't be a cap credit to the Oilers if Keith retires.

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/15/daly-there-will-be-no-ca p-credit-for-edmonton-oilers-if-duncan-keith-retires/

This is the only quote in the article...

Quote:

“No, there is no concept of a ‘cap credit’ for current teams that may lose a player to retirement,”

SUE EVERYONE

Decision not really up to Gary's pet dog Daly.. its in the CBA.. and it has $3M of NHL player salary tied to it.. and Daly wants to eliminate it.. pretty sure it'll be a NHLPA concern.

Stauffer had Hart Levine from puckpedia guy on his show talking exactly that. He didn't see how the NHL could just decide to change it up and how the PA would allow it because it would be taking money out of the free agency pool that the Oilers could spend.

Does anyone know if Florida got some extra cap space with Luongo? The Canucks had some recapture penalty but should they not have got some cap space because Luongo retired early and had one of those long term deals. I assume it's was the same as the Keith situation.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809135 is a reply to message #809128 ]	Thu, 16 June 2022 11:57

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:18

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 19:13

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 18:01

Bill Daly says there won't be a cap credit to the Oilers if Keith retires.

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/15/daly-there-will-be-no-ca p-credit-for-edmonton-oilers-if-duncan-keith-retires/

This is the only quote in the article...

Quote:

“No, there is no concept of a ‘cap credit’ for current teams that may lose a player to retirement,”

SUE EVERYONE

Decision not really up to Gary's pet dog Daly.. its in the CBA.. and it has $3M of NHL player salary tied to it.. and Daly wants to eliminate it.. pretty sure it'll be a NHLPA concern.

Stauffer had Hart Levine from puckpedia guy on his show talking exactly that. He didn't see how the NHL could just decide to change it up and how the PA would allow it because it would be taking money out of the free agency pool that the Oilers could spend.

Does anyone know if Florida got some extra cap space with Luongo? The Canucks had some recapture penalty but should they not have got some cap space because Luongo retired early and had one of those long term deals. I assume it's was the same as the Keith situation.

Florida had 3M of penalty spread over 3 years. Lou retired with 3 years left and most of the backdiving were in those seasons. Florida got some of the benefit of the backdive like the Canucks did.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809140 is a reply to message #809135 ]	Thu, 16 June 2022 13:00

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 10:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:18

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 19:13

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 18:01

Bill Daly says there won't be a cap credit to the Oilers if Keith retires.

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/15/daly-there-will-be-no-ca p-credit-for-edmonton-oilers-if-duncan-keith-retires/

This is the only quote in the article...

Quote:

“No, there is no concept of a ‘cap credit’ for current teams that may lose a player to retirement,”

SUE EVERYONE

Decision not really up to Gary's pet dog Daly.. its in the CBA.. and it has $3M of NHL player salary tied to it.. and Daly wants to eliminate it.. pretty sure it'll be a NHLPA concern.

Stauffer had Hart Levine from puckpedia guy on his show talking exactly that. He didn't see how the NHL could just decide to change it up and how the PA would allow it because it would be taking money out of the free agency pool that the Oilers could spend.

Does anyone know if Florida got some extra cap space with Luongo? The Canucks had some recapture penalty but should they not have got some cap space because Luongo retired early and had one of those long term deals. I assume it's was the same as the Keith situation.

Florida had 3M of penalty spread over 3 years. Lou retired with 3 years left and most of the backdiving were in those seasons. Florida got some of the benefit of the backdive like the Canucks did.

Here's a good explainer of the math in the Luongo deal, and how both teams had to pay a penalty. Canucks got the worst of it for sure. As much as I hate them, the Canucks got screwed by the NHL on this. There was no such thing as a cap recapture penalty when Luongo signed this deal, it was all perfectly legal.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809194 is a reply to message #809140 ]	Fri, 17 June 2022 12:39

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Goose wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:00

Here's a good explainer of the math in the Luongo deal, and how both teams had to pay a penalty. Canucks got the worst of it for sure. As much as I hate them, the Canucks got screwed by the NHL on this. There was no such thing as a cap recapture penalty when Luongo signed this deal, it was all perfectly legal.

https://puckpedia.com/LuongoRC

Same - hate the team, but there was no risk when they offered/agreed to that contract. No idea how that did not get grandfathered in.

You want to close the loophole? Fine. But to penalize them for doing something 100% within the confines of the rules after the fact doesn't seem right.

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Mike wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 12:39

Goose wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:00

Here's a good explainer of the math in the Luongo deal, and how both teams had to pay a penalty. Canucks got the worst of it for sure. As much as I hate them, the Canucks got screwed by the NHL on this. There was no such thing as a cap recapture penalty when Luongo signed this deal, it was all perfectly legal.

https://puckpedia.com/LuongoRC

Same - hate the team, but there was no risk when they offered/agreed to that contract. No idea how that did not get grandfathered in.

You want to close the loophole? Fine. But to penalize them for doing something 100% within the confines of the rules after the fact doesn't seem right.

See? It's not the NHL picking on the Oilers, the NHL is just dumb.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809553 is a reply to message #808855 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

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This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809555 is a reply to message #809553 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

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I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809556 is a reply to message #809555 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:22

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

"Around July 1st"

It is getting pretty darn close. Just thought we would hear some speculation, but it has been quiet.

To be fair, if they are retiring they probably do not want to come out during SCF or the day after the Cup has been presented. Their decisions should get some stand alone respect. I will respectfully chill out.

I am just itchy for Oil news.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809557 is a reply to message #809556 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

"Around July 1st"

It is getting pretty darn close. Just thought we would hear some speculation, but it has been quiet.

To be fair, if they are retiring they probably do not want to come out during SCF or the day after the Cup has been presented. Their decisions should get some stand alone respect. I will respectfully chill out.

I am just itchy for Oil news.

They talked to Holland last week. He said that it was a soft deadline but that ideally they'd know ahead of the draft and free agency. I still wish we were pushing harder to move both these players to the retirement home.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809559 is a reply to message #809557 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:33

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Adam wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

"Around July 1st"

It is getting pretty darn close. Just thought we would hear some speculation, but it has been quiet.

To be fair, if they are retiring they probably do not want to come out during SCF or the day after the Cup has been presented. Their decisions should get some stand alone respect. I will respectfully chill out.

I am just itchy for Oil news.

They talked to Holland last week. He said that it was a soft deadline but that ideally they'd know ahead of the draft and free agency. I still wish we were pushing harder to move both these players to the retirement home.

I am not sure what you do for a living but if there is someone close to retirement, do you or the boss go to these people asking them all the time "ready to retire yet" and badger them all the time or do you/the boss treat them with some respect and dignity?

I get this is sports. Given the way he talked and how the season went, taking the benefit to the Oilers out of the equation, he sure seems like it would do Smith well for his body to retire. Keith, less of a story but it would be nice if he retired too. But at the end of the day, they aren't robots, they are human beings and they deserve to be treated with some respect. Ask their intentions, give them a bit of time to figure it out personally and with their family. Then you get the answer.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809560 is a reply to message #809559 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:46

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:33

Adam wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

"Around July 1st"

It is getting pretty darn close. Just thought we would hear some speculation, but it has been quiet.

To be fair, if they are retiring they probably do not want to come out during SCF or the day after the Cup has been presented. Their decisions should get some stand alone respect. I will respectfully chill out.

I am just itchy for Oil news.

They talked to Holland last week. He said that it was a soft deadline but that ideally they'd know ahead of the draft and free agency. I still wish we were pushing harder to move both these players to the retirement home.

I am not sure what you do for a living but if there is someone close to retirement, do you or the boss go to these people asking them all the time "ready to retire yet" and badger them all the time or do you/the boss treat them with some respect and dignity?

I get this is sports. Given the way he talked and how the season went, taking the benefit to the Oilers out of the equation, he sure seems like it would do Smith well for his body to retire. Keith, less of a story but it would be nice if he retired too. But at the end of the day, they aren't robots, they are human beings and they deserve to be treated with some respect. Ask their intentions, give them a bit of time to figure it out personally and with their family. Then you get the answer.

The players also understand it is a business. It sounds like the management and players have a great relationship. I think a check-in is not unwarranted.

In my profession, if someone is closing in on retirement we try to have regular conversations on their timelines as there needs to be a succession plan in place. Staff get it, and it is by no means a slight.

What we do not know is what is happening. These conversations may be being had already, but nothing has leaked out yet. Very un-Oilers like as Stauffer is usually spouting of everything in advance. I would love it if our team was actually handling this professionally.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809561 is a reply to message #809559 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:49

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:33

Adam wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

"Around July 1st"

It is getting pretty darn close. Just thought we would hear some speculation, but it has been quiet.

To be fair, if they are retiring they probably do not want to come out during SCF or the day after the Cup has been presented. Their decisions should get some stand alone respect. I will respectfully chill out.

I am just itchy for Oil news.

They talked to Holland last week. He said that it was a soft deadline but that ideally they'd know ahead of the draft and free agency. I still wish we were pushing harder to move both these players to the retirement home.

I am not sure what you do for a living but if there is someone close to retirement, do you or the boss go to these people asking them all the time "ready to retire yet" and badger them all the time or do you/the boss treat them with some respect and dignity?

I get this is sports. Given the way he talked and how the season went, taking the benefit to the Oilers out of the equation, he sure seems like it would do Smith well for his body to retire. Keith, less of a story but it would be nice if he retired too. But at the end of the day, they aren't robots, they are human beings and they deserve to be treated with some respect. Ask their intentions, give them a bit of time to figure it out personally and with their family. Then you get the answer.

If there is someone who can no longer do the job, then I would prefer to address that with them, rather than let them struggle, and create more issues internally within my team as that person takes home more than they contribute.

And I don't work in a salary cap environment, where these two players represent over 10% of the team's available cap space. If I did, then I would be even more inclined to say something, rather than just sit back and hope that some day they figure out that they should really retire.

Sometimes people need help with major life decisions. I am not saying the Oilers should be rude about it, but sometimes you need to give people a nudge. As I said before, I would absolutely offer Keith a "role within the organization" for a year, where he makes a similar amount to his NHL salary in exchange for doing the absolute bare minimum needed to count as an employee.

Not sure he's going to care about the Blackhawks cap space. The GM is gone, the coach is gone, most of his buddies are gone and the team is going in to a rebuild so they may actually welcome the cap recapture penalty. Only issue is if he wants to play - and I would suggest to him that his role would be a shrinking one that could see him healthy scratched several times along the way...that, and a million dollar job for doing nothing? Probably enough to convince him.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809562 is a reply to message #809561 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:56

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Adam wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 14:49

And I don't work in a salary cap environment,

That's the biggest difference.

In big companies, people get "retired" all the time for different reasons. Better replacement available, cheaper options, redundancy, whatever...but the difference is the salary cap.

There would be no bigger positive for the Oilers this year than Duncan Keith choosing to retire IMO. With or without the recapture bonus.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809563 is a reply to message #809561 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:59

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Adam wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:33

Adam wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:11

I thought I read he gave them a deadline and we haven't reached it yet.

I assume Smith will retire, Keith will be back.

"Around July 1st"

It is getting pretty darn close. Just thought we would hear some speculation, but it has been quiet.

To be fair, if they are retiring they probably do not want to come out during SCF or the day after the Cup has been presented. Their decisions should get some stand alone respect. I will respectfully chill out.

I am just itchy for Oil news.

They talked to Holland last week. He said that it was a soft deadline but that ideally they'd know ahead of the draft and free agency. I still wish we were pushing harder to move both these players to the retirement home.

I am not sure what you do for a living but if there is someone close to retirement, do you or the boss go to these people asking them all the time "ready to retire yet" and badger them all the time or do you/the boss treat them with some respect and dignity?

I get this is sports. Given the way he talked and how the season went, taking the benefit to the Oilers out of the equation, he sure seems like it would do Smith well for his body to retire. Keith, less of a story but it would be nice if he retired too. But at the end of the day, they aren't robots, they are human beings and they deserve to be treated with some respect. Ask their intentions, give them a bit of time to figure it out personally and with their family. Then you get the answer.

If there is someone who can no longer do the job, then I would prefer to address that with them, rather than let them struggle, and create more issues internally within my team as that person takes home more than they contribute.

And I don't work in a salary cap environment, where these two players represent over 10% of the team's available cap space. If I did, then I would be even more inclined to say something, rather than just sit back and hope that some day they figure out that they should really retire.

Sometimes people need help with major life decisions. I am not saying the Oilers should be rude about it, but sometimes you need to give people a nudge. As I said before, I would absolutely offer Keith a "role within the organization" for a year, where he makes a similar amount to his NHL salary in exchange for doing the absolute bare minimum needed to count as an employee.

Not sure he's going to care about the Blackhawks cap space. The GM is gone, the coach is gone, most of his buddies are gone and the team is going in to a rebuild so they may actually welcome the cap recapture penalty. Only issue is if he wants to play - and I would suggest to him that his role would be a shrinking one that could see him healthy scratched several times along the way...that, and a million dollar job for doing nothing? Probably enough to convince him.

They are professionals and adults. As long as you do not come in there big #%$% swinging these conversations can be had.

The one positive attribute I am happy with regarding Holland is his ability to form relationships with his players. You often hear current and ex-players speaking very highly of him.

Hopefully he already has an idea of their futures and is already making plans.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809558 is a reply to message #809553 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

With Smith it's probably hubris that keeps him active, with Keith I don't think he stiffs the Hawks with cap implications. Both returning is probably the most likely outcome. I can maybe visualize Smith as a backup next season, never again the go to guy, and the money isn't terrible. Considering what needs doing in terms of the roster, the Duncan Keith AAV which was manageable this last season is a roadblock to improvement this next year. The lack of foresight in that respect is disturbing.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809564 is a reply to message #809558 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 12:02

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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:25

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

With Smith it's probably hubris that keeps him active, with Keith I don't think he stiffs the Hawks with cap implications. Both returning is probably the most likely outcome. I can maybe visualize Smith as a backup next season, never again the go to guy, and the money isn't terrible. Considering what needs doing in terms of the roster, the Duncan Keith AAV which was manageable this last season is a roadblock to improvement this next year. The lack of foresight in that respect is disturbing.

Anyone got ideas for how to make our wishes come true here?

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809567 is a reply to message #809564 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 13:37

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Prediction! Smith plays 50/50 with Skinner. then takes teh playoff start. After a first big blowout like we had each game 1 this year, Skinner takes over #1 and never looks back.

Keith... waits until September, then retires.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809579 is a reply to message #809553 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809584 is a reply to message #809579 ]	Mon, 27 June 2022 23:52

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 17:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

Lawton is good. Great add if true.

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

Best case scenario for the Oilers would be Keith retires then gets a job as whatever that happens to pay him his exact salary. Could he be a defense development guy.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 10:38

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

Best case scenario for the Oilers would be Keith retires then gets a job as whatever that happens to pay him his exact salary. Could he be a defense development guy.

He could be Manson's assistant. The assistant to the assistant coach.

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

If the Oilers offer Keith a job AFTER he's done his current deal, then they're doing it wrong. The only reason you offer him a job is because it gets him off the ice. If he actually just finishes his contract, then what do you need him for that you can't get someone better for? Other than maybe teaching players his mystical shaman way of beating infectious diseases.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809597 is a reply to message #809590 ]	Tue, 28 June 2022 12:35

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Adam wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:52

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

If the Oilers offer Keith a job AFTER he's done his current deal, then they're doing it wrong. The only reason you offer him a job is because it gets him off the ice. If he actually just finishes his contract, then what do you need him for that you can't get someone better for? Other than maybe teaching players his mystical shaman way of beating infectious diseases.

"There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’."

The job is for after next year, but it's based on him retiring this year and taking a year off unless I am missing something? I have zero issues with that.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809598 is a reply to message #809597 ]	Tue, 28 June 2022 14:19

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Burgeoboy wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:35

Adam wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:52

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

If the Oilers offer Keith a job AFTER he's done his current deal, then they're doing it wrong. The only reason you offer him a job is because it gets him off the ice. If he actually just finishes his contract, then what do you need him for that you can't get someone better for? Other than maybe teaching players his mystical shaman way of beating infectious diseases.

"There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’."

The job is for after next year, but it's based on him retiring this year and taking a year off unless I am missing something? I have zero issues with that.

Yeah that’s the intention. Take some time with his son and then if he wants to be in hockey there’s a role for him here

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809599 is a reply to message #809598 ]	Tue, 28 June 2022 14:42

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My hope is that he looks at the year he had. Apparently he really enjoyed it. The room was good. Had his boy around the room. The team ended up doing pretty well. He helped contribute to that. Overall, he played pretty decent, probably better than people expected. Go out on a high. As soon as he retires, with his resume he will be a first ballot hall of famer. I am sure if he came back, he can contribute but the chances of Keith having a better year are almost zero. In my opinion, the worth thing that can happen is an athlete staying that 1 year too long. He could still play and play at a reasonably high level. Don't tarnish that by sticking around too long and having a bad year.

Same with Smith. He had a tough year physically but when he came back he played extremely well. Helped his team get to the West finals. Yes you didn't win the Cup but go out on a high. The chances he has even a similar season results wise is pretty slim.

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Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809600 is a reply to message #809598 ]	Tue, 28 June 2022 15:07

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 14:19

Burgeoboy wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:35

Adam wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:52

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?

Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.

If the Oilers offer Keith a job AFTER he's done his current deal, then they're doing it wrong. The only reason you offer him a job is because it gets him off the ice. If he actually just finishes his contract, then what do you need him for that you can't get someone better for? Other than maybe teaching players his mystical shaman way of beating infectious diseases.

"There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’."

The job is for after next year, but it's based on him retiring this year and taking a year off unless I am missing something? I have zero issues with that.

Yeah that’s the intention. Take some time with his son and then if he wants to be in hockey there’s a role for him here

Anything where he doesn't play next year is great. Especially if he formally retires.

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