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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

[Updated on: Mon, 15 April 2024 15:37]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Mon, 15 April 2024 16:18]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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[Updated on: Sun, 21 April 2024 22:00]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Sun, 21 April 2024 14:48]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Sun, 21 April 2024 15:15]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 12:16

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 10:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 10:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 21 April 2024 15:11 Always thought Kane had some kind of chronic injury that stifled his skating.. he looked slower and less agile.. Apparently he's been dealing with a sports hernia all season.. Quote: Ryan Rishaug@TSNRyanRishaug Kane says he’s dealing with a sports hernia and has been all season. He’s hopeful to play but has needed to take some time off the ice late in the season to let it heal. Full participant today in practice. .. which makes you wonder why Oilers never "Mark Stoned" him and put him on LTIR so they could get $5M in cap for the trade deadline.. defraud the intent of the cap system just like Vegas does every year.. according to NHL Corp. its legal to do so.. *Sorry KR55 didn't see your prior post I was wondering the same thing. I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of LTIR. But I believe you have to get a doc to sign off and the player, is that correct? So I am wondering if his injury wasn't bad enough to put him on LTIR because he played 77 games and just about all the games he missed (3 of them) were the last week of the season. Otherwise, it makes zero sense to me. He will probably go under the knife as soon as the season is done. If a player is not able to be 100% because of a very real issue, I don't see how the league can say you can't get it fixed or seek some way to rehab it. Crosby got surgery for a sports hernia in 2019 and came back on fire 2 and a half months later with a 4 point night off the hop and red hot until the COVID shutdown. It's really weird that Kane would reveal this before playoffs are done. Is he sour about how his injury has been handled? Or just feels compelled to give an excuse for how he has played? Worse case would be a lot of the drama around him this year was that he wanted to pull a mark stone for the team but has been pushed all year to stay in the lineup and play through his injury. Kane doesn't strike me as the type what would allow a team to tell him whether he will or won't get treatment. He strikes me as being overly confident/proud and would be the one to decide what happens. My guess is the team docs told him about the injury whenever it happened. He could get it fixed with surgery or play through it with regular treatment until the offseason when it gets fixed. My guess is the injury isn't bad enough that he had to be out and had to get it fixed right away. While it would benefit him to some degree to get it fixed right away, he could play through with treatment if he wanted. Hence why we saw him periodically missing practices and him missing the last 3 games. For the team, it probably would have been better if he did a Stone and went on LTIR right before the deadline but I don't think a team can force a player to get surgery or sit out unless they want too. It is their bodies after all. Does the next GM need to add in a question about LTIR to future players? "How OK are you with going on LTIR for questionable injuries if needed?"

It is very disappointing that we have Kane injured again for playoffs. Second year in a row now.

He was being demoted to the 4th line back in Nov/Dec wasn't he? He scored maybe 3 goals since the deadline dragging himself around.

I don't get how we let it get to this point. Where he isn't even sure he can play game 1. What a disaster. Someone or many people were totally brain dead in how to handle his almost season long injury.


If this was Vegas, they would have Kane at 100% for game 1, and another $5M player. I have zero doubt. I doubt the thought of doing that even crossed Holland's mind.

[Updated on: Mon, 22 April 2024 13:45]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 14:47

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 13:42 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 12:16 Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 10:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 10:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 21 April 2024 15:11 Always thought Kane had some kind of chronic injury that stifled his skating.. he looked slower and less agile.. Apparently he's been dealing with a sports hernia all season.. Quote: Ryan Rishaug@TSNRyanRishaug Kane says he’s dealing with a sports hernia and has been all season. He’s hopeful to play but has needed to take some time off the ice late in the season to let it heal. Full participant today in practice. .. which makes you wonder why Oilers never "Mark Stoned" him and put him on LTIR so they could get $5M in cap for the trade deadline.. defraud the intent of the cap system just like Vegas does every year.. according to NHL Corp. its legal to do so.. *Sorry KR55 didn't see your prior post I was wondering the same thing. I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of LTIR. But I believe you have to get a doc to sign off and the player, is that correct? So I am wondering if his injury wasn't bad enough to put him on LTIR because he played 77 games and just about all the games he missed (3 of them) were the last week of the season. Otherwise, it makes zero sense to me. He will probably go under the knife as soon as the season is done. If a player is not able to be 100% because of a very real issue, I don't see how the league can say you can't get it fixed or seek some way to rehab it. Crosby got surgery for a sports hernia in 2019 and came back on fire 2 and a half months later with a 4 point night off the hop and red hot until the COVID shutdown. It's really weird that Kane would reveal this before playoffs are done. Is he sour about how his injury has been handled? Or just feels compelled to give an excuse for how he has played? Worse case would be a lot of the drama around him this year was that he wanted to pull a mark stone for the team but has been pushed all year to stay in the lineup and play through his injury. Kane doesn't strike me as the type what would allow a team to tell him whether he will or won't get treatment. He strikes me as being overly confident/proud and would be the one to decide what happens. My guess is the team docs told him about the injury whenever it happened. He could get it fixed with surgery or play through it with regular treatment until the offseason when it gets fixed. My guess is the injury isn't bad enough that he had to be out and had to get it fixed right away. While it would benefit him to some degree to get it fixed right away, he could play through with treatment if he wanted. Hence why we saw him periodically missing practices and him missing the last 3 games. For the team, it probably would have been better if he did a Stone and went on LTIR right before the deadline but I don't think a team can force a player to get surgery or sit out unless they want too. It is their bodies after all. Does the next GM need to add in a question about LTIR to future players? "How OK are you with going on LTIR for questionable injuries if needed?" It is very disappointing that we have Kane injured again for playoffs. Second year in a row now. He was being demoted to the 4th line back in Nov/Dec wasn't he? He scored maybe 3 goals since the deadline dragging himself around. I don't get how we let it get to this point. Where he isn't even sure he can play game 1. What a disaster. Someone or many people were totally brain dead in how to handle his almost season long injury. If this was Vegas, they would have Kane at 100% for game 1, and another $5M player. I have zero doubt. I doubt the thought of doing that even crossed Holland's mind. I know in here, it's always the brain dead teams fault for no matter what but correct me if I am wrong but does the player not have to agree to go on LTIR? I haven't read the CBA but I believe in order to put a player on LTIR, a doctor has to confirm the injury and the player has to agree to be put on LTIR. I don't think a team can just walk into the dressing room and point to player X and say. "You are now on LTIR and aren't playing for 2 months, don't say anything. " I believe the player has a say in it. I think it was after he was scratched for the March 26th game, Kane came out and said he wasn't hurt or it wasn't a "maintenance day" he was a healthy scratch. SO if that is the case and in his mind, he was good to go, it was a team decision, I don't see how he could be put on LTIR if he's not hurt enough.

Yeah, player has to agree. So this is all just really confusing. Why Kane would just reveal his injury so everyone will try to get their elbows into his mid-section now, is super confusing to me. If he was the one refusing to get surgery when the injury was known near the start of the year would be very confusing too. He was complaining about his spot in the lineup, while playing badly because of a hernia? It's just all so strange.

Kane should know his spot in the lineup is secure if he's playing well. Everyone on this team should know the ONLY goal is a cup and being at 100% for a playoff run. We had lots of time still after we went on a crazy win streak to get him fixed up. Everyone and their dog, even casual fans, know how Vegas scammed the cap, and Tampa before with LTIR space. You can give Kane assurances that he's up in the lineup at 100% and how much it can boost the teams chances at a cup if he gets his hernia fixed.

I just don't get this team or Kane right now, honestly. How everyone has let it get to a point where he has just been dragging himself around for months, 3 goals since Feb 19, and now questionable for game 1 of the playoffs. It's just insane.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 15:10

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 15:00 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 14:47 Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 13:42 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 12:16 Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 10:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 22 April 2024 10:44 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 21 April 2024 15:11 Always thought Kane had some kind of chronic injury that stifled his skating.. he looked slower and less agile.. Apparently he's been dealing with a sports hernia all season.. Quote: Ryan Rishaug@TSNRyanRishaug Kane says he’s dealing with a sports hernia and has been all season. He’s hopeful to play but has needed to take some time off the ice late in the season to let it heal. Full participant today in practice. .. which makes you wonder why Oilers never "Mark Stoned" him and put him on LTIR so they could get $5M in cap for the trade deadline.. defraud the intent of the cap system just like Vegas does every year.. according to NHL Corp. its legal to do so.. *Sorry KR55 didn't see your prior post I was wondering the same thing. I don't pretend to know all the ins and outs of LTIR. But I believe you have to get a doc to sign off and the player, is that correct? So I am wondering if his injury wasn't bad enough to put him on LTIR because he played 77 games and just about all the games he missed (3 of them) were the last week of the season. Otherwise, it makes zero sense to me. He will probably go under the knife as soon as the season is done. If a player is not able to be 100% because of a very real issue, I don't see how the league can say you can't get it fixed or seek some way to rehab it. Crosby got surgery for a sports hernia in 2019 and came back on fire 2 and a half months later with a 4 point night off the hop and red hot until the COVID shutdown. It's really weird that Kane would reveal this before playoffs are done. Is he sour about how his injury has been handled? Or just feels compelled to give an excuse for how he has played? Worse case would be a lot of the drama around him this year was that he wanted to pull a mark stone for the team but has been pushed all year to stay in the lineup and play through his injury. Kane doesn't strike me as the type what would allow a team to tell him whether he will or won't get treatment. He strikes me as being overly confident/proud and would be the one to decide what happens. My guess is the team docs told him about the injury whenever it happened. He could get it fixed with surgery or play through it with regular treatment until the offseason when it gets fixed. My guess is the injury isn't bad enough that he had to be out and had to get it fixed right away. While it would benefit him to some degree to get it fixed right away, he could play through with treatment if he wanted. Hence why we saw him periodically missing practices and him missing the last 3 games. For the team, it probably would have been better if he did a Stone and went on LTIR right before the deadline but I don't think a team can force a player to get surgery or sit out unless they want too. It is their bodies after all. Does the next GM need to add in a question about LTIR to future players? "How OK are you with going on LTIR for questionable injuries if needed?" It is very disappointing that we have Kane injured again for playoffs. Second year in a row now. He was being demoted to the 4th line back in Nov/Dec wasn't he? He scored maybe 3 goals since the deadline dragging himself around. I don't get how we let it get to this point. Where he isn't even sure he can play game 1. What a disaster. Someone or many people were totally brain dead in how to handle his almost season long injury. If this was Vegas, they would have Kane at 100% for game 1, and another $5M player. I have zero doubt. I doubt the thought of doing that even crossed Holland's mind. I know in here, it's always the brain dead teams fault for no matter what but correct me if I am wrong but does the player not have to agree to go on LTIR? I haven't read the CBA but I believe in order to put a player on LTIR, a doctor has to confirm the injury and the player has to agree to be put on LTIR. I don't think a team can just walk into the dressing room and point to player X and say. "You are now on LTIR and aren't playing for 2 months, don't say anything. " I believe the player has a say in it. I think it was after he was scratched for the March 26th game, Kane came out and said he wasn't hurt or it wasn't a "maintenance day" he was a healthy scratch. SO if that is the case and in his mind, he was good to go, it was a team decision, I don't see how he could be put on LTIR if he's not hurt enough. Yeah, player has to agree. So this is all just really confusing. Why Kane would just reveal his injury so everyone will try to get their elbows into his mid-section now, is super confusing to me. If he was the one refusing to get surgery when the injury was known near the start of the year would be very confusing too. He was complaining about his spot in the lineup, while playing badly because of a hernia? It's just all so strange. Kane should know his spot in the lineup is secure if he's playing well. Everyone on this team should know the ONLY goal is a cup and being at 100% for a playoff run. We had lots of time still after we went on a crazy win streak to get him fixed up. Everyone and their dog, even casual fans, know how Vegas scammed the cap, and Tampa before with LTIR space. You can give Kane assurances that he's up in the lineup at 100% and how much it can boost the teams chances at a cup if he gets his hernia fixed. I just don't get this team or Kane right now, honestly. How everyone has let it get to a point where he has just been dragging himself around for months, 3 goals since Feb 19, and now questionable for game 1 of the playoffs. It's just insane. Like I said, less than a month ago, after he was scratched for maintenance by the team and he said he was perfectly healthy and it was for performance so I don't think he was on board with surgery so I don't think LTIR was an option for him at the time.

I'd expect him to say that again now, that he's healthy, even if he has had a hernia issue all year. If he does miss a game, bumps and bruises and just need a maintenance day.

Not sure what he has to gain by suddenly talking about his hernia and revealing his injury right before playoffs. I mean, for us, it answers a lot of questions. There is no advantage for Kane or the team, only disadvantage to put it out there at this stage of the season.

[Updated on: Mon, 22 April 2024 16:35]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep