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Next Oilers GM [message #827415]	Tue, 21 November 2023 15:30

Kr55
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Gotta get this going. First rumor I've seen is a doozy!

https://oilersnation.com/news/report-edmonton-oilers-could-l ook-to-player-agent-dave-gagner-as-next-general-manager

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There’s no denying the Edmonton Oilers could be looking for a new general manager sooner, rather than later.

Ken Holland is in the final year of his contract, and if he fails to make any significant move to improve the team soon, it could be finished sooner rather than later. However, a common consensus in the industry is that Holland is more likely than not to sail off into the sunset — unfinished business or not — at the end of this season.

It begs the question of who Jeff Jackson and the Oilers could bring in to be his replacement. According to the Toronto Sun’s Steve Simmons, Dave Gagner, the father of Oilers forward Sam, could crop up as a replacement.

GM Ken Holland will be gone at the end of the season — his call — and I wouldn’t be surprised if Dave Gagner, whose son plays for the Oilers and is another former McDavid associate and a close Jackson friend, is brought in to be Oilers GM

Gagner, drafted by the New York Rangers 12th overall in 1983 and played a 946-game NHL career, is no stranger to NHL front offices. After owning the OPJHL’s Milton Icehawks between 2001 and 2006, Gagner was hired as an assistant coach for the OHL’s London Knights in 2006, holding the role for the following two seasons.

In 2008, he was hired to join the Vancouver Canucks, where he served as the Canucks’ director of player development between then, and 2013. It was then Gagner joined the offices of Wasserman, where he worked alongside Jackson for years. According to PuckPedia, Gagner represents 25 players with active contracts, including Oilers in Greg McKegg, Connor Brown, and Evan Bouchard.

omg it's getting hard to cheer for this team.

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827419 is a reply to message #827415 ]	Tue, 21 November 2023 15:47

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Isn't Steve Simmons worse than Spec when it comes to tabloid writing for hockey?

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827423 is a reply to message #827419 ]	Tue, 21 November 2023 16:55

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 15:47

Isn't Steve Simmons worse than Spec when it comes to tabloid writing for hockey?

He's not great, but I think he's done a good job here to find a guy that perfectly fits the hiring MO of this org, properly accounting for the McDavid and Jackson boost factors.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827424 is a reply to message #827423 ]	Tue, 21 November 2023 17:04

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 16:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 21 November 2023 15:47

Isn't Steve Simmons worse than Spec when it comes to tabloid writing for hockey?

He's not great, but I think he's done a good job here to find a guy that perfectly fits the hiring MO of this org, properly accounting for the McDavid and Jackson boost factors.

This is the problem with media. They sell their journalistic souls to become witless public relations hacks, entirely reliant on access rather than effort or intelligence. They choose to become arrogant and soft minded because they have to maintain that access and it makes their jobs very easy. However that access allows them to drop the occasional nuggets of truth. It's just hard to figure out what those nuggets are

Still, no one should click on a Spector or Simmons link.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827547 is a reply to message #827415 ]	Thu, 23 November 2023 07:51

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It's going to be Coffey, no doubt in my mind.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827776 is a reply to message #827547 ]	Wed, 29 November 2023 00:35

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bigEfromGP wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 07:51

It's going to be Coffey, no doubt in my mind.

After he’s spent some time at assistant coach he should really have all the prerequisites!

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827785 is a reply to message #827776 ]	Wed, 29 November 2023 10:13

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He also has a well established history of sitting beside Katz.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827881 is a reply to message #827415 ]	Mon, 04 December 2023 21:07

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Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Follow up on Gagner's dad. He was forced by Eastern media to comment on the rumors. He says he has no interest in the job :)

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827882 is a reply to message #827881 ]	Mon, 04 December 2023 21:13

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827883 is a reply to message #827882 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 08:12

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nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827884 is a reply to message #827883 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 09:25

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how does Brown's bonus count if we buy him out too?

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827885 is a reply to message #827884 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 10:11

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 09:25

how does Brown's bonus count if we buy him out too?

No option to buy him out. It was a one-year deal, so he cost the league minimum against this year's cap, and then $3.225MM next year no matter what (after he'd suited up in 10 games). It's an amazing farewell gift from Holland to his successor and especially galling given that Holland's big excuse about why they haven't been able to get over the hump is that he expected cap increases that didn't come. Now there actually is an increase, and he's spent it for us a year early.

So next year, no Holland, no Brown and virtually no cap increase.

Oh yeah, and probably collateral damage from needing to do something to flush the Campbell deal. They should probably strip Old Dutch of his Hall of Fame status for how badly he @#$%ed things up here.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827889 is a reply to message #827883 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 13:55

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 07:12

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

Wonder if there's any teams without buyouts on the books?

Every team makes mistakes, some last longer than others.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827891 is a reply to message #827889 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 14:09

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 13:55

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 07:12

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

Wonder if there's any teams without buyouts on the books?

Every team makes mistakes, some last longer than others.

There was an Atlantic article after this summer that said 17 teams don't have buyouts. Some have buried contracts, some have retained, some have no dead money. I did some spot verification with capfriendly, but didn't check all the teams.

Cgy, LAK, Bos, Sea, Was, NYR, NYI, TB, Ana, Caro, Buf, Col, Tor, Win, VGK, Dal, StL.

Somehow there are teams with zero dollar buyouts like NYI with Rick Di Pietro and Buffalo with Christian Erhoff. I don't know how that works.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827896 is a reply to message #827891 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 15:48

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 14:09

nullterm wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 13:55

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 07:12

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

Wonder if there's any teams without buyouts on the books?

Every team makes mistakes, some last longer than others.

There was an Atlantic article after this summer that said 17 teams don't have buyouts. Some have buried contracts, some have retained, some have no dead money. I did some spot verification with capfriendly, but didn't check all the teams.

Cgy, LAK, Bos, Sea, Was, NYR, NYI, TB, Ana, Caro, Buf, Col, Tor, Win, VGK, Dal, StL.

Somehow there are teams with zero dollar buyouts like NYI with Rick Di Pietro and Buffalo with Christian Erhoff. I don't know how that works.

There must be some way to quantify the Oilers method of seeing finally being out from under a buyout as a chance to do another buyout. We just love us some buyouts! Should extend Holland for a few extra months so he can get another buyout on the books ASAP in the summer.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827898 is a reply to message #827896 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 15:58

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 15:48

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 14:09

nullterm wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 13:55

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 07:12

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

Wonder if there's any teams without buyouts on the books?

Every team makes mistakes, some last longer than others.

There was an Atlantic article after this summer that said 17 teams don't have buyouts. Some have buried contracts, some have retained, some have no dead money. I did some spot verification with capfriendly, but didn't check all the teams.

Cgy, LAK, Bos, Sea, Was, NYR, NYI, TB, Ana, Caro, Buf, Col, Tor, Win, VGK, Dal, StL.

Somehow there are teams with zero dollar buyouts like NYI with Rick Di Pietro and Buffalo with Christian Erhoff. I don't know how that works.

There must be some way to quantify the Oilers method of seeing finally being out from under a buyout as a chance to do another buyout. We just love us some buyouts!

Cap space usage does seem like a management study. Seems like cap space available at the start of any season divided by projected cap space available at the end of the previous season. If you have a pattern of this number approaching zero, you have a team that blows cap space like a mid-boom rig hand on his first day off shift.

A simple buyout calculation would be number of buy out slots used / maximum number of buyout slots possible. The close a team gets to 1, the more they use the buyout. Sadly, capfriendly has locked past caps behind a paywall and I'm not willing to look elsewhere.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827903 is a reply to message #827891 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 18:47

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 16:09

nullterm wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 13:55

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 07:12

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

Wonder if there's any teams without buyouts on the books?

Every team makes mistakes, some last longer than others.

There was an Atlantic article after this summer that said 17 teams don't have buyouts. Some have buried contracts, some have retained, some have no dead money. I did some spot verification with capfriendly, but didn't check all the teams.

Cgy, LAK, Bos, Sea, Was, NYR, NYI, TB, Ana, Caro, Buf, Col, Tor, Win, VGK, Dal, StL.

Somehow there are teams with zero dollar buyouts like NYI with Rick Di Pietro and Buffalo with Christian Erhoff. I don't know how that works.

On a couple rare occasions penalty free buyouts have been offered. Wade Redden was one of the famous ones, since the Rangers sent him to the minors for 2 years to avoid his cap hit. So when they were able to buy him out with no penalty, he played in the NHL for one last season. I think the last time it happened was the 2013 lockout.

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Re: Next Oilers GM [message #827904 is a reply to message #827903 ]	Tue, 05 December 2023 20:15

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 18:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 16:09

nullterm wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 13:55

oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 05 December 2023 07:12

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 23:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 04 December 2023 20:07

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Cap estimate next year given at BoG is approx $87.675M

Current cap 83.5M

Increase of 4.175

If we max our cap, 3.225 goes to Brown's ghost, so the new guy has 0.95M left to play with.

Nice to know I was/we were right to want him banished to the AHL after game 9.

Brown had his chance to show something, missed his window, but the GM still doubled down on their mistake with the next guy on the hook.

On the bright side, the 2025 season after we'll get an even bigger boost with whatever increase the cap will be, plus Next year's increase that will be eaten up, plus James Neal's buyout coming off the books. Unfortunately we'll have $2.3M on the books from Campbell's buyout by then. When was the last time we didn't have a buyout on the books?

Wonder if there's any teams without buyouts on the books?

Every team makes mistakes, some last longer than others.

There was an Atlantic article after this summer that said 17 teams don't have buyouts. Some have buried contracts, some have retained, some have no dead money. I did some spot verification with capfriendly, but didn't check all the teams.

Cgy, LAK, Bos, Sea, Was, NYR, NYI, TB, Ana, Caro, Buf, Col, Tor, Win, VGK, Dal, StL.

Somehow there are teams with zero dollar buyouts like NYI with Rick Di Pietro and Buffalo with Christian Erhoff. I don't know how that works.

On a couple rare occasions penalty free buyouts have been offered. Wade Redden was one of the famous ones, since the Rangers sent him to the minors for 2 years to avoid his cap hit. So when they were able to buy him out with no penalty, he played in the NHL for one last season. I think the last time it happened was the 2013 lockout.

Exactly right. They’re compliance buyouts after resolutions of labour disputes.

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