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 Re: Gotta Get a Goalie! [message #827578 is a reply to message #827551 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 08:49

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 November 2023 16:37

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 November 2023 16:20

I assume since so many fans complain about passing on Wallstedt that at just 21 8 days ago, he's ready to be an NHL starter right now?



Lots of up arrows on the player. Doing great in the AHL currently.

As for age of the netminder, I know that there's a bunch of old hockey guys who'll try to convince you that goalies don't become NHL ready until they're way in to their 20s. Of course, that ignores the fact that most of the all-time wins leaders were starting netminders by the time they were 21. Roy, Brodeur, Fuhr, Fleury...the idea that you need several years in the AHL first is patently false. Just another stupid hockey cliche.



Simple question for you Adam. Why can't you show me any kind of decency as a human being? I've backed off. I barely comment on anything you say anymore on purpose. The amount I post, i've tapered back. Why do you feel the need to be a prick and take shots at me anytime I say anything, is your problem?

I don't watch AHL games from the Minnesota Wild OK. Maybe you do, I don't. So I know very little about the guy. I simply asked a question because everyone raves about him and I don't know much about him. That's it. Why was is necessary for you to take another shot at me and make it seem like I am just some dumb, old hockey guy that doesn't know anything? I'd like to know what the reason was for.

My comment about his age was based solely on the fact that the majority of goalies drafted typically are barely starting their pro careers at just turned 21. Lots are still either in college or barely out of junior. You rarely see a goalie at barely 21 in the NHL let alone as a starter. So I was asking the question.

So what is your problem with me? If you don't want to do it here, I am coming up for the game on Tuesday and I got no problem meeting someone face to face.


As Mike says, I'm not around this week. However, I will say, I do not know what you are talking about. I really didn't take any personal shots at you there. I said that the relatively wide-spread erroneous belief that goalies need to be older before they make the league isn't actually based on real facts - just narrative from guys like Stauffer and Matheson and Jones and Spector and their clones across the league. There are lots of goalies who play in the league at a younger age and excel. Same with defencemen - another group where this mythology exists.

I think you see me disagreeing with you as a personal thing - I really don't. I have a different opinion and I am expressing it. I believe I'm right (I often am) so I'm pretty confident in defending my point of view. But it's never about you. I think the fact that you tend to echo some of these old hockey theories tends to make you more likely than most to get my reply - but I encourage you, as always, to not take any of this too seriously. It's talking about a sport. A frustrating one, no doubt, but just a sport. In the overall scheme of things, it's pretty little.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 November 2023 17:20

I assume since so many fans complain about passing on Wallstedt that at just 21 8 days ago, he's ready to be an NHL starter right now?



I assume, by yet another boneheaded comment, that you think that Bourgault is;
- making us a better team now?
- will long term help the Oilers win more than Wallstedt?

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RD... try to not let the comments on your opinion bring you down. I've always appreciated your thoughts and hope you continue to offer them.

I went down this road recently and I needed to take a deep breath and pour myself a stiff drink to move on. It's best just to move on.

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HamBlaster wrote on Sun, 24 December 2023 14:21

RD... try to not let the comments on your opinion bring you down. I've always appreciated your thoughts and hope you continue to offer them.

I went down this road recently and I needed to take a deep breath and pour myself a stiff drink to move on. It's best just to move on.




Much like RD, it seems you take discussion on a hockey forum too serious. If others comments drive you to drink perhaps it is time to re-access what you do for fun as it's apparent that hockey isn't much fun for you.
The fact that you got your knickers in a twist, much like your comments, entertains me. I can't think of a single time that someone on here posted anything that got me angry but to each their own.

As far as the actual discussions we have had. If you don't like me having a different opinion, and backing it up with actual facts, that's on you.
I like that people on here have different opinions than me. During many a back and forth I have learned a lot. Keep posting your opinions, I like it, whether I agree or not.

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 Re: Gotta Get a Goalie! [message #827579 is a reply to message #827331 ]
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This team is hilarious. That's why I keep watching.



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As reported on Insider Trading the internal fix for the Oilers could be calling Campbell back up.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 17:21

This team is hilarious. That's why I keep watching.



Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260

As reported on Insider Trading the internal fix for the Oilers could be calling Campbell back up.

Sounds like that box is about to be checked!

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Jay wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 17:21

This team is hilarious. That's why I keep watching.



Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260

As reported on Insider Trading the internal fix for the Oilers could be calling Campbell back up.

Sounds like that box is about to be checked!

We've kind of learned Campbell and the goaltending wasn't the problem. Edmonton's three goalies having the 52nd, 69th, and 71st best save percentages (out of 75) shows it's a broader issue.

Season ticket holders should be revolting.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:03

Jay wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 17:21

This team is hilarious. That's why I keep watching.

Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260

As reported on Insider Trading the internal fix for the Oilers could be calling Campbell back up.

Sounds like that box is about to be checked!

We've kind of learned Campbell and the goaltending wasn't the problem. Edmonton's three goalies having the 52nd, 69th, and 71st best save percentages (out of 75) shows it's a broader issue.

Season ticket holders should be revolting.


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Elliotte Friedman on Saturday Headlines says the Oilers granted Jack Campbell permission to bring in Manny Legace with him for a few days in the AHL. Legace was a former goaltender coach for CBJ. Campbell worked with Legace in the summer.

I love that it's not just fans questioning the goalie coach situation now.

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nullterm wrote on Sun, 26 November 2023 11:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:03

Jay wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 17:21

This team is hilarious. That's why I keep watching.

Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260

As reported on Insider Trading the internal fix for the Oilers could be calling Campbell back up.

Sounds like that box is about to be checked!

We've kind of learned Campbell and the goaltending wasn't the problem. Edmonton's three goalies having the 52nd, 69th, and 71st best save percentages (out of 75) shows it's a broader issue.

Season ticket holders should be revolting.


@oilersaccess
Elliotte Friedman on Saturday Headlines says the Oilers granted Jack Campbell permission to bring in Manny Legace with him for a few days in the AHL. Legace was a former goaltender coach for CBJ. Campbell worked with Legace in the summer.

I love that it's not just fans questioning the goalie coach situation now.


lol. Extra funny if he also asks Legace to come up to the NHL club if he's recalled.

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 26 November 2023 12:25

nullterm wrote on Sun, 26 November 2023 11:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:03

Jay wrote on Fri, 24 November 2023 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 November 2023 17:21

This team is hilarious. That's why I keep watching.

Dustin Nielson @nielsonTSN1260

As reported on Insider Trading the internal fix for the Oilers could be calling Campbell back up.

Sounds like that box is about to be checked!

We've kind of learned Campbell and the goaltending wasn't the problem. Edmonton's three goalies having the 52nd, 69th, and 71st best save percentages (out of 75) shows it's a broader issue.

Season ticket holders should be revolting.


@oilersaccess
Elliotte Friedman on Saturday Headlines says the Oilers granted Jack Campbell permission to bring in Manny Legace with him for a few days in the AHL. Legace was a former goaltender coach for CBJ. Campbell worked with Legace in the summer.

I love that it's not just fans questioning the goalie coach situation now.


lol. Extra funny if he also asks Legace to come up to the NHL club if he's recalled.


Let him bring his cat onto the bench if it helps.


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Hopefully this brings much needed pressure on Swartz to get him the f out.

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Larry Brooks seriously suggesting the Oilers use McDavid to solve their goaltending problems:

https://thehockeywriters.com/larry-brooks-mcdavid-sorokin-tr ade-idea/

His proposal: McDavid, Bouchard, and either Pickard or Skinner for Sorokin and Barzal.

Now that's funny.

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benv wrote on Sun, 26 November 2023 23:08

Larry Brooks seriously suggesting the Oilers use McDavid to solve their goaltending problems:

https://thehockeywriters.com/larry-brooks-mcdavid-sorokin-tr ade-idea/

His proposal: McDavid, Bouchard, and either Pickard or Skinner for Sorokin and Barzal.

Now that's funny.


Larry Brooks is so, so stupid. Imagine thinking the Oilers would have to add to McDavid for players like Sorokin and Barzal. Prime Hasek or Roy would still need 3-4 first round picks added to get to McDavid's value.

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Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.

Clean house or bust

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smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 15:35

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

Lol. Gotta get a goalie that can make the team a Stanley Cup contender... for under a million bucks. At least the defense and depth is rock solid so tender is basically a plug and play position like the last Stanley Cup winner, right?

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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 17:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 15:35

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

Lol. Gotta get a goalie that can make the team a Stanley Cup contender... for under a million bucks. At least the defense and depth is rock solid so tender is basically a plug and play position like the last Stanley Cup winner, right?


Or, you know, have a tough conversation with a goalie trying to play his way back up to the big leagues in Bakersfield...If it turns out that it's injury that's the reason for his sudden sharp decline, well, that's $5MM of cap space that suddenly comes back.

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Adam wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 23:37

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 17:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 15:35

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

Lol. Gotta get a goalie that can make the team a Stanley Cup contender... for under a million bucks. At least the defense and depth is rock solid so tender is basically a plug and play position like the last Stanley Cup winner, right?


Or, you know, have a tough conversation with a goalie trying to play his way back up to the big leagues in Bakersfield...If it turns out that it's injury that's the reason for his sudden sharp decline, well, that's $5MM of cap space that suddenly comes back.

...and lose the moral high ground? We'd lose our right to criticize other teams for acting in their own best interests. It's too high of a cost.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 08:26

Adam wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 23:37

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 17:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 15:35

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

Lol. Gotta get a goalie that can make the team a Stanley Cup contender... for under a million bucks. At least the defense and depth is rock solid so tender is basically a plug and play position like the last Stanley Cup winner, right?


Or, you know, have a tough conversation with a goalie trying to play his way back up to the big leagues in Bakersfield...If it turns out that it's injury that's the reason for his sudden sharp decline, well, that's $5MM of cap space that suddenly comes back.

...and lose the moral high ground? We'd lose our right to criticize other teams for acting in their own best interests. It's too high of a cost.


Mental health is an injury. At what point does the team step in and provide this guy some extra support?

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2023 11:42

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 08:26

Adam wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 23:37

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 17:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 15:35

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

Lol. Gotta get a goalie that can make the team a Stanley Cup contender... for under a million bucks. At least the defense and depth is rock solid so tender is basically a plug and play position like the last Stanley Cup winner, right?


Or, you know, have a tough conversation with a goalie trying to play his way back up to the big leagues in Bakersfield...If it turns out that it's injury that's the reason for his sudden sharp decline, well, that's $5MM of cap space that suddenly comes back.

...and lose the moral high ground? We'd lose our right to criticize other teams for acting in their own best interests. It's too high of a cost.


Mental health is an injury. At what point does the team step in and provide this guy some extra support?


He seems like a perfect blend of delusional and prone to depression. He said he thought he was playing well after he got demoted, as if he didn't think the demotion was deserved. Kind of blew me away. Might be a hard guy to convince to sit out. Likely would need to hire Lucky Lou as a special advisor of a Robidas Island department of the OEG.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2023 12:11

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2023 11:42

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 08:26

Adam wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 23:37

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 17:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 15:35

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.



We couldn't even if we wanted to, could we? Need to somehow free cap space. Think we could only free up league min cap space right now by demoting a player.

Frickin Holland :)

Lol. Gotta get a goalie that can make the team a Stanley Cup contender... for under a million bucks. At least the defense and depth is rock solid so tender is basically a plug and play position like the last Stanley Cup winner, right?


Or, you know, have a tough conversation with a goalie trying to play his way back up to the big leagues in Bakersfield...If it turns out that it's injury that's the reason for his sudden sharp decline, well, that's $5MM of cap space that suddenly comes back.

...and lose the moral high ground? We'd lose our right to criticize other teams for acting in their own best interests. It's too high of a cost.


Mental health is an injury. At what point does the team step in and provide this guy some extra support?


He seems like a perfect blend of delusional and prone to depression. He said he thought he was playing well after he got demoted, as if he didn't think the demotion was deserved. Kind of blew me away. Might be a hard guy to convince to sit out. Likely would need to hire Lucky Lou as a special advisor of a Robidas Island department of the OEG.


To get Campbell to agree to be hurt, how about Katz just buy a house in a country that Campbell would really like to go to for a year or 2 to find himself and just let Campbell house sit rent free. Katz is a busy guy, I'm sure he can't be at his properties as often as he'd like. So Campbell would be doing his friend Darryl a solid by taking care of his house for him. Billionaires have properties all over the world so what's the big deal.

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smyth260 wrote on Sun, 17 December 2023 13:51

Oilers did not take a flyer on Antti Raanta at 1.5M from the waiver wire.


The Canes are known for being a good defensive team, have been for years. They have a very good defense. Their issue has been goaltending. I don't see how it would have been a good idea to pick up a goalie who's struggled this year playing behind a very good defensive structure, very good defense and think he would help the Oilers.

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He probably would be better than Pickard.

I know the narrative is that he won over New Jersey therefore he is competent to get Edmonton to the trade deadline, but that’s wishful thinking and not at all pragmatic.

Dare I say the Oilers should do the work get 2 goalies? Just because you claim Raanta does not mean you are married to him. Maybe if you get your main guy later, you put him back on waivers or flip him or whatever. But that would be double the work for Ken Holland.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 10:32

He probably would be better than Pickard.

I know the narrative is that he won over New Jersey therefore he is competent to get Edmonton to the trade deadline, but that’s wishful thinking and not at all pragmatic.

Dare I say the Oilers should do the work get 2 goalies? Just because you claim Raanta does not mean you are married to him. Maybe if you get your main guy later, you put him back on waivers or flip him or whatever. But that would be double the work for Ken Holland.

Raanta makes 1.5 mill. If he doesn't help you, yes you can waive him, pray someone else takes him and if they don't, he goes to the farm.

Problem. They already have Campbell on the farm stinking it up and blocking Rodrigues plus eating up cap space. Then if you take Raanta, you'd have another crappy goalie you have to deal with. On top of the face you can't bury his full contract. You'd lose another 350K of cap space.

Raanta in 14 games has a 3.61 GA and a .854 playing behind like I said a typically good defensive team with a very good defense. You have to be playing pretty freaking bad to have a .854 behind Carolina's defense and their team play.

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He’s an NHL goalie, he came for free. Skinner has had a bad season at .885. Do you think he’s done? Or are you looking at a larger body of work to evaluate him?

Oilers had an option to get a NHL goalie stop gap for free. Yes it would have required some cap finagling. Sending down Erne and Pickard would have got there in the short term. It would not be hard to get rid of a 1.5M AAV deal for any other GM if they wanted to split from Raanta. You see it all the time. But Ken Holland says a lot of things are hard to do.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 10:51

He’s an NHL goalie, he came for free. Skinner has had a bad season at .885. Do you think he’s done? Or are you looking at a larger body of work to evaluate him?
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Skinner is a second year NHL goalie. He's a young, up and coming goalie with not a ton of experience. It's unfortunately pretty common for second year players to take a small step back. The old "sophomore jinx". Happens year after year to many, many players all over the NHL. On top of it, the Oilers do not have an elite defense and are not known for being a team that is great defensively. They improved a ton under Knoblaugh but to start the season, the whole team was brutal defensively.

Raanta does not have that problem. He's a 34 yr old goalie. He's been around the NHL for 11 yrs. He has 267 starts. Like I said, the team in front of him typically plays a good defensive structure. The defense in front of him has guys who flirt with Norris trophy's. Slavin is typically in the top 5-10 every year for the Norris and if he scored more points, he'd probably have won at least one by now. They have other guys that are very good NHL dmen, they probably have one of the better top 4 defenses in the NHL. When you are rocking a .854 behind a team that plays that well defensively and one of the better defenses in the NHL, in my opinion, that is red flag city.

Maybe he can bounce back but the Oilers, while playing way better defensively lately, I do not think they will EVER be a top end defensive team. They aren't constructed to be that. I also do not think their defense will EVER be considered a top end defense like Carolina's. So you are asking a goalie who's struggling playing behind a strong defensive team with a strong defense, to find his game with the Oilers. I think that's a tall ask. The Oilers also do not have the available cap space to be taking flyers on goalies. If he was making league min and his full salary could be buried, different story. If he doesn't do well and they have to bury his contract, it counts for 350K cap space which is something they don't have to waste.

There is no chance a team is trading you a legit good starter, the guy you could get are guys who could play in tandem with Skinner and are on teams who are probably not great but are still putting up OK numbers. A few guys as examples:
- Blackwood. I don't think he's a starter but a guy that could split time. Was once highly touted. Still young. On the Sharks this year who are a bad team with not much on defense. In 21 games, 3.74 GA, .897. He's facing a ton of shots with not a lot of help and almost .900. On a better team, he could easily be better

- Reimer - 3rd goalie on the Wings. Extremely consistent around .910. Last year on the Sharks who were a very bad team. 43 GP. 3.48, .890. He goes to the Wings who are mediocre but better than the Sharks. In 8 games, 2.58, .911. SO right back up to his normal numbers as soon as he's on a team that isn't horrible.

- Rumors flying around Vejmelka. Another guy who's been on a below average team but able to put up around .900. The last 2 seasons, played 50 or more games. Right at .900 or a point or 2 below behind a not very good Yotes team. This season in 13 games. .899 again behind a Yotes team that isn't great. If you look at their defense, it's not very good.

I'd be targeting those 3. Blackwood and Vejmelka have another year at 2.35 and 2.75 respectively, Reimber 1.5 and is a UFA.

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You can talk about Carolina’s defense all you want. The only question I am interested in is would Raanta/Skinner win more games for the Oilers than Pickard/Skinner?

I would bet on yes. We know that we cannot overplay Skinner, yet just by having Pickard we are doing exactly that, because even the Oilers don’t think he is really an NHL goalie.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 12:00

You can talk about Carolina’s defense all you want. The only question I am interested in is would Raanta/Skinner win more games for the Oilers than Pickard/Skinner?

I would bet on yes. We know that we cannot overplay Skinner, yet just by having Pickard we are doing exactly that, because even the Oilers don’t think he is really an NHL goalie.

Talking about Carolina's defense for Raanta is valid because if he can't put up even average numbers and struggles to win games playing for a good defensive team, the likelihood he will do well in Edmonton is low.

So while I don't think Pickard is an answer, I don't think a bad playing Raanta gives them an upgrade.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 12:00

You can talk about Carolina’s defense all you want. The only question I am interested in is would Raanta/Skinner win more games for the Oilers than Pickard/Skinner?

I would bet on yes. We know that we cannot overplay Skinner, yet just by having Pickard we are doing exactly that, because even the Oilers don’t think he is really an NHL goalie.


While I don't believe that "sophomore jinx" is anything the Oilers should make any serious decisions around and while I don't think Skinner is likely to be anything above potentially a good back-up in the league, I wouldn't want us to pick up Raanta.

Yes - he's WAY below his career numbers, so it's possible this could be an anomaly. And yes, the other netminders in Carolina have struggled too, so it's also really possible that Brind'Amour's system is hanging his goalies out to dry.

However, there's a few things that worry me here:

1) Raanta is 34. When goalies decline, sometimes they go off a cliff. I believe Billy Ranford was the same age his last year, and he just wasn't the same. It's possible something similar has happened to Raanta and he just never recovers.

2) Our defensive system hasn't exactly insulated our goalies. If we're getting someone who's just lost his confidence who needs to have a few good games to right the ship? Well, it's not going to be easy here. We've already seen how goalies lacking confidence play behind this Oilers squad.

3) Raanta's only ever really been a back-up himself. A high end backup for most of his career, but he's never really grabbed the starter's mantle. He's only cracked the 40-game mark once and that was 8 years ago for an Arizona team that missed the playoffs. He's had really low playoff experience too. Just 24 games, of which 19 were the last two seasons in Carolina. I don't think it's likely that he's the goalie that can backstop a Cup team, and given that I don't think Skinner is either, I think you need to shoot higher.

4) Finally, and most importantly, the Oilers are completely over a barrel relative to the salary cap. While I believe there are some things that they can do that could potentially help with this, they have three big holes to try to patch this year with almost no room to do it - goalie, 2RD and 2nd line winger. We probably can't patch them all, if we're honest with ourselves.

Goalie is obviously the biggest hole. I don't really believe we can win a Cup without a half-decent 'keeper. If you burn some cap space on Raanta and he doesn't bounce back, then you still need too acquire another netminder later this season. That would mean zero chance of patching the other holes, and it may restrict who we could potentially target too.

So I'm fine with them skipping out on a claim here. A bandaid solution could be helpful in the short-term, but harmful in the long-run and I don't think that Raanta is any more than a bandaid for what ails us here.

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I'd have made the claim for Raanta, but I've always been a pro-Raanta kind of guy.

The truth is it's unlikely that who is available (and affordable) to the Oilers is going solve the problem. At this point their just buying lottery tickets and hoping some decent numbers pop up. *IF* the Oilers have decided Pickard isn't the #2 they need, there's no point in wasting time on him anymore. Get someone else to to audition for the role. If the Oilers haven't decided what Pickard is I'd be wondering what the heck they've been doing.

For what it's worth, I've watched 5ish Canes games this year. I think the Brind'amour magic is start to wear off. He's always felt like the natural evolution of a Tortorella type coach. Not as crazy, but very much of the belief that trying harder and max effort is the way forward. It's almost MacT-like. I'm not convinced they make the playoffs this year.

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 19 December 2023 09:54

'MacT like' requires players dropping to block all pucks in all situations.

Good point. Carolina was DFL in shot blocks last season and 31st this year.

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I am not advocating for Raanta/Skinner to take the team into the playoffs, but I think that is a better pair while the team finds other solutions. I don’t really care if that makes more work managing the cap, a 1.5 million dollar contract should not be that hard to get rid of at the deadline.

As it sits, this team is outside of the playoffs, Skinner is a sub .900 goalie on the season, they are overplaying him, and Pickard is not really an NHL option. We could use a band-aid now. Another losing streak and the playoffs become distant. It’s a very real chance with the current tandem. God forbid Skinner get’s injured. We have no contingency, and no recovery time has been bought with our record.

I keep thinking about Vegas and how many goalies they tried last year. Thompson, Hill, Brossoit, Quick…that team had band-aids, plan Bs and Cs in a volatile position.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2023 18:19

I am not advocating for Raanta/Skinner to take the team into the playoffs, but I think that is a better pair while the team finds other solutions. I don’t really care if that makes more work managing the cap, a 1.5 million dollar contract should not be that hard to get rid of at the deadline.

As it sits, this team is outside of the playoffs, Skinner is a sub .900 goalie on the season, they are overplaying him, and Pickard is not really an NHL option. We could use a band-aid now. Another losing streak and the playoffs become distant. It’s a very real chance with the current tandem. God forbid Skinner get’s injured. We have no contingency, and no recovery time has been bought with our record.

I keep thinking about Vegas and how many goalies they tried last year. Thompson, Hill, Brossoit, Quick…that team had band-aids, plan Bs and Cs in a volatile position.


True, but they had that magical thing that we've never tried - competent management. It meant that they always knew how to make the cap work for them. That and goalies that actually got hurt, instead of just sucking. That helps a lot as Lehner's cap off the books is way better than Campbell at just over $4MM cap hit playing in the minors.

With piss-poor management who views cap circumvention as something they're above, rather than an opportunity, we really only have one shot at this - so better have them focus on the silver bullet solution.

And now Raanta's gone through anyhow so that point is moot!

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When Campbell was sent down to the AHL, he was playing behind a team with a brutal PK, didn't play very good team defense and who's defense core on their best day, might be considered a middle of the pack unit. That's a maybe. But at the time Campbell was sent down, the D core was playing extra bad. He had an .873 when he was waived.

Raanta playing in Carolina's very good defensive structure, behind their high end defense, had a .854. So WORSE than Campbell playing on a team who's better in all aspects defensively. In my opinion, if a goalie can't put up even mediocre numbers playing on Carolina, he can't do it anywhere. The fact that the other 30 other that aren't the Oilers , lots of whom have their own goaltending issues, didn't touch him, says all I need to know about him.

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Rodrigue will require waivers next season. Is he over ripe enough yet?

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Rodrigue will require waivers next season. Is he over ripe enough yet?

Based on 12 starts?

Go look at Skinners career stats. In the year he got his first NHL start (20-21), he had 122 pro games between the ECHL and the AHL. He played in 31 AHL games and was 2.38 and a .914. Rodrigue has 65 total AHL games and another 15 in the ECHL. So way less pro starts than Skinner has before Skinner got his 1 game. Then the following year, when Smith got hurt, Skinner got into 13 games but also started in 35 where he posted 2.20 and .920. Then he was a full time NHLer. SO 157 pro games. Rodeigue has 80. So half.

I'd be stapling Campbell to the bench and playing Rodrigue a ton. I don't see a goalie coming before the deadline if it happens. There aren't a ton available to begin with so the price will be ridiculous plus there are way too many teams still in it thanks to the loser point for teams to sell off yet. So play Rodrigue a ton in the minors, then if you want to take a look, call him up closer to the deadline and see where he is at.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 15:29

Rodrigue will require waivers next season. Is he over ripe enough yet?

Based on 12 starts?

Go look at Skinners career stats. In the year he got his first NHL start (20-21), he had 122 pro games between the ECHL and the AHL. He played in 31 AHL games and was 2.38 and a .914. Rodrigue has 65 total AHL games and another 15 in the ECHL. So way less pro starts than Skinner has before Skinner got his 1 game. Then the following year, when Smith got hurt, Skinner got into 13 games but also started in 35 where he posted 2.20 and .920. Then he was a full time NHLer. SO 157 pro games. Rodeigue has 80. So half.

I'd be stapling Campbell to the bench and playing Rodrigue a ton. I don't see a goalie coming before the deadline if it happens. There aren't a ton available to begin with so the price will be ridiculous plus there are way too many teams still in it thanks to the loser point for teams to sell off yet. So play Rodrigue a ton in the minors, then if you want to take a look, call him up closer to the deadline and see where he is at.



It wouldn't surprise me if Samsonov became available.
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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 17:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 19:06

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 15:29

Rodrigue will require waivers next season. Is he over ripe enough yet?

Based on 12 starts?

Go look at Skinners career stats. In the year he got his first NHL start (20-21), he had 122 pro games between the ECHL and the AHL. He played in 31 AHL games and was 2.38 and a .914. Rodrigue has 65 total AHL games and another 15 in the ECHL. So way less pro starts than Skinner has before Skinner got his 1 game. Then the following year, when Smith got hurt, Skinner got into 13 games but also started in 35 where he posted 2.20 and .920. Then he was a full time NHLer. SO 157 pro games. Rodeigue has 80. So half.

I'd be stapling Campbell to the bench and playing Rodrigue a ton. I don't see a goalie coming before the deadline if it happens. There aren't a ton available to begin with so the price will be ridiculous plus there are way too many teams still in it thanks to the loser point for teams to sell off yet. So play Rodrigue a ton in the minors, then if you want to take a look, call him up closer to the deadline and see where he is at.



It wouldn't surprise me if Samsonov became available.
What could possibly go wrong with obtaining a Leafs cast-off for a goalie?


Samsonov already passed through waivers. Getting a bit of a Jack Campbell vibe from him lately. The press conference where he said the team had a better chance of winning because he won't be the one in the net was definitely a low point for that player. That would be a big risk right now.

Apparently Treliving now looking for a goalie as well, and offering up 6th round picks for several netminders - no takers though. Would be great if he showed Holland how cheaply middling goalies can be had though.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2024 12:49

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 17:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 19:06

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 15:29

Rodrigue will require waivers next season. Is he over ripe enough yet?

Based on 12 starts?

Go look at Skinners career stats. In the year he got his first NHL start (20-21), he had 122 pro games between the ECHL and the AHL. He played in 31 AHL games and was 2.38 and a .914. Rodrigue has 65 total AHL games and another 15 in the ECHL. So way less pro starts than Skinner has before Skinner got his 1 game. Then the following year, when Smith got hurt, Skinner got into 13 games but also started in 35 where he posted 2.20 and .920. Then he was a full time NHLer. SO 157 pro games. Rodeigue has 80. So half.

I'd be stapling Campbell to the bench and playing Rodrigue a ton. I don't see a goalie coming before the deadline if it happens. There aren't a ton available to begin with so the price will be ridiculous plus there are way too many teams still in it thanks to the loser point for teams to sell off yet. So play Rodrigue a ton in the minors, then if you want to take a look, call him up closer to the deadline and see where he is at.



It wouldn't surprise me if Samsonov became available.
What could possibly go wrong with obtaining a Leafs cast-off for a goalie?


Samsonov already passed through waivers. Getting a bit of a Jack Campbell vibe from him lately. The press conference where he said the team had a better chance of winning because he won't be the one in the net was definitely a low point for that player. That would be a big risk right now.

Apparently Treliving now looking for a goalie as well, and offering up 6th round picks for several netminders - no takers though. Would be great if he showed Holland how cheaply middling goalies can be had though.


How about the feel good story of Jack Campbell returning to the Leafs to save the day?

I'd even retain 1.5M of Campbell's salary to do it and take Samsonov back.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2024 13:24

Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2024 12:49

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 17:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 19:06

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 08 January 2024 15:29

Rodrigue will require waivers next season. Is he over ripe enough yet?

Based on 12 starts?

Go look at Skinners career stats. In the year he got his first NHL start (20-21), he had 122 pro games between the ECHL and the AHL. He played in 31 AHL games and was 2.38 and a .914. Rodrigue has 65 total AHL games and another 15 in the ECHL. So way less pro starts than Skinner has before Skinner got his 1 game. Then the following year, when Smith got hurt, Skinner got into 13 games but also started in 35 where he posted 2.20 and .920. Then he was a full time NHLer. SO 157 pro games. Rodeigue has 80. So half.

I'd be stapling Campbell to the bench and playing Rodrigue a ton. I don't see a goalie coming before the deadline if it happens. There aren't a ton available to begin with so the price will be ridiculous plus there are way too many teams still in it thanks to the loser point for teams to sell off yet. So play Rodrigue a ton in the minors, then if you want to take a look, call him up closer to the deadline and see where he is at.



It wouldn't surprise me if Samsonov became available.
What could possibly go wrong with obtaining a Leafs cast-off for a goalie?


Samsonov already passed through waivers. Getting a bit of a Jack Campbell vibe from him lately. The press conference where he said the team had a better chance of winning because he won't be the one in the net was definitely a low point for that player. That would be a big risk right now.

Apparently Treliving now looking for a goalie as well, and offering up 6th round picks for several netminders - no takers though. Would be great if he showed Holland how cheaply middling goalies can be had though.


How about the feel good story of Jack Campbell returning to the Leafs to save the day?

I'd even retain 1.5M of Campbell's salary to do it and take Samsonov back.


I'd trade Jack Campbell for that 6th round pick!!!

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