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 Re: NHL Awards 2022 [message #809487 is a reply to message #809485 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 10:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 08:07

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 21:27

If Matthews scored 60 for Florida and Huberdeau had 123 points for Toronto, Huberdeau would win in a landslide. Its not about who or what? Its about where they played. Sadly small market Edmonton doesn't really matter much to the NHLs bottom line compared to the mighty Maple Syrups. If Draisatl scored 60 and Matthews had more points does anyone honestly think Drai would win? Not in a million years.

The Oilers have won the last 2 and 3 of 5. I'm willing to accept this year was Toronto / Matthews turn but thinking of it as a travesty against poor little Edmonton is a step too far.


Agreed. I think the league is holding McDavid to a different standard, but it's because they want to write a different story, not because they hate Edmonton.

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 15:11

. The real lesson here is about the media.

The bargain is writers get to write their stories and the NHL gets stories written about it. What that has to do with determining who the most valuable player is is beyond me.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 10:58

Adam wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 10:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 08:07

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 21:27

If Matthews scored 60 for Florida and Huberdeau had 123 points for Toronto, Huberdeau would win in a landslide. Its not about who or what? Its about where they played. Sadly small market Edmonton doesn't really matter much to the NHLs bottom line compared to the mighty Maple Syrups. If Draisatl scored 60 and Matthews had more points does anyone honestly think Drai would win? Not in a million years.

The Oilers have won the last 2 and 3 of 5. I'm willing to accept this year was Toronto / Matthews turn but thinking of it as a travesty against poor little Edmonton is a step too far.


Agreed. I think the league is holding McDavid to a different standard, but it's because they want to write a different story, not because they hate Edmonton.

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 15:11

. The real lesson here is about the media.

The bargain is writers get to write their stories and the NHL gets stories written about it. What that has to do with determining who the most valuable player is is beyond me.

I think the voting process should have video review.

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 10:24

Mike wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 10:25

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 23:27

Such a joke. So how did so many think he finished worse then 2nd. They were voting for a particular result. NHL awards are an embarrassment.


At WORST you could maybe justify 3rd if you have REALLY love goals that much and put Matthews ahead, and Shesterkin did have a very good year. Lower than that, you're right, they're trying to get the result they want.


I read on ON this morning that one of the voters didn't have McDavid OR Matthews in his top 5. He did have JT Miller though crazy


But JT Milller's team missed the playoffs. How can a player on a team who missed the playoffs even merit any consideration? The unwritten rules clearly state that your team must make the playoffs or else you can't have been that valuable.

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oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 12:58

But JT Milller's team missed the playoffs. How can a player on a team who missed the playoffs even merit any consideration? The unwritten rules clearly state that your team must make the playoffs or else you can't have been that valuable.


Hang on now - wasn't there also the argument that the team being TOO GOOD also disqualified the players? The main reason they awarded it to Taylor Hall was because without him, the Devils would not have made the playoffs.

The Leafs were 31 points up on the 9th place team in the East. Surely the Leafs would still have made the playoffs without Matthews, so he should not have been a consideration. Right? They were actually a lot better without him in the lineup this year. 7-2! Almost a 130 point pace! 30-15-2 all time. Screams opposite of MVP to me. Matthews - LVP! icon_biggrin

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Mike wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 10:49

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 12:58

But JT Milller's team missed the playoffs. How can a player on a team who missed the playoffs even merit any consideration? The unwritten rules clearly state that your team must make the playoffs or else you can't have been that valuable.


Hang on now - wasn't there also the argument that the team being TOO GOOD also disqualified the players? The main reason they awarded it to Taylor Hall was because without him, the Devils would not have made the playoffs.

The Leafs were 31 points up on the 9th place team in the East. Surely the Leafs would still have made the playoffs without Matthews, so he should not have been a consideration. Right? They were actually a lot better without him in the lineup this year. 7-2! Almost a 130 point pace! 30-15-2 all time. Screams opposite of MVP to me. Matthews - LVP! icon_biggrin


High scoring player on a team that barely made the playoffs...

Matt Duchene is the really Hart winner this year.

I say all this and I don't think Matthews was undeserving, I am more just making fun of the moving target that is the NHL awards and who should win from year to year.

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oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 09:45

Mike wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 10:49

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 12:58

But JT Milller's team missed the playoffs. How can a player on a team who missed the playoffs even merit any consideration? The unwritten rules clearly state that your team must make the playoffs or else you can't have been that valuable.


Hang on now - wasn't there also the argument that the team being TOO GOOD also disqualified the players? The main reason they awarded it to Taylor Hall was because without him, the Devils would not have made the playoffs.

The Leafs were 31 points up on the 9th place team in the East. Surely the Leafs would still have made the playoffs without Matthews, so he should not have been a consideration. Right? They were actually a lot better without him in the lineup this year. 7-2! Almost a 130 point pace! 30-15-2 all time. Screams opposite of MVP to me. Matthews - LVP! icon_biggrin


High scoring player on a team that barely made the playoffs...

Matt Duchene is the really Hart winner this year.

I say all this and I don't think Matthews was undeserving, I am more just making fun of the moving target that is the NHL awards and who should win from year to year.

I saw yesterday that the Avs got Bowen Byram as a part of the Matt Duchene trade return. imagine if Taylor Hall had been traded for his actual value.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 09:49

oilfan94 wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 09:45

Mike wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 10:49

oilfan94 wrote on Thu, 23 June 2022 12:58

But JT Milller's team missed the playoffs. How can a player on a team who missed the playoffs even merit any consideration? The unwritten rules clearly state that your team must make the playoffs or else you can't have been that valuable.


Hang on now - wasn't there also the argument that the team being TOO GOOD also disqualified the players? The main reason they awarded it to Taylor Hall was because without him, the Devils would not have made the playoffs.

The Leafs were 31 points up on the 9th place team in the East. Surely the Leafs would still have made the playoffs without Matthews, so he should not have been a consideration. Right? They were actually a lot better without him in the lineup this year. 7-2! Almost a 130 point pace! 30-15-2 all time. Screams opposite of MVP to me. Matthews - LVP! icon_biggrin


High scoring player on a team that barely made the playoffs...

Matt Duchene is the really Hart winner this year.

I say all this and I don't think Matthews was undeserving, I am more just making fun of the moving target that is the NHL awards and who should win from year to year.

I saw yesterday that the Avs got Bowen Byram as a part of the Matt Duchene trade return. imagine if Taylor Hall had been traded for his actual value.


Hey that bootlicker Ryan Rishaug told me that sometimes you have to lose a trade to make your team better. Chiarelli said in his presser that New Jersey got the best player in the deal. But look where it's led us to! We finished well above New Jersey in the standings this year. Proof that Rishaug was a prophet.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 17:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 16:17

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 15:59

Let's name and shame!

Fluto Shinzawa - 5th



This guy is also a clown. His top vote for Norris? McAvoy. Only guy out of the whole bunch not to pick Makar, Josi or Hedman.



I saw that one vote for the Boston guy and I was sure it was Haggerty


Fluto is from Boston and used to be with the Boston Globe. Unlike Gregor, he has no issues with being a ridiculous homer.

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Some notables.. Button is a loyal Flame guy.. in case there was any question..

Haggerty is hilarious.. McDavid as the 5th.. LOL total ass hat.

Anyone who had McDavid 4th or 5th, or not at all.. should be eliminated from future voting.

Haggerty Joe Boston Hockey Now Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers
Friedman Elliotte Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
MacIntyre Iain Sportsnet Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Kuzma Ben The Province Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Alex Ovechkin, Washington Capitals
Duhatschek Eric The Athletic Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers
Seravalli Frank Daily Faceoff Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Gretzky Wayne TNT Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers
Button Craig TSN Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs
Dreger Darren TSN Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
McLennan Jamie TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Ferraro Ray ESPN / TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Cuthbert Chris Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Marek Jeff Sportsnet Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Amber David Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild
Bieksa Kevin Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche
Botterill Jen Sportsnet / TNT Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers
Lavoie Renaud TVA Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers
Poulin Dave TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Miller Gord TSN Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers

[Updated on: Wed, 22 June 2022 16:19]

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 15:47

Some notables.. Button is a loyal Flame guy.. in case there was any question..
Seravalli Frank Daily Faceoff Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Gretzky Wayne TNT Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers
Button Craig TSN Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs
Dreger Darren TSN Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
McLennan Jamie TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Ferraro Ray ESPN / TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Cuthbert Chris Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Marek Jeff Sportsnet Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Amber David Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild
Bieksa Kevin Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche
Botterill Jen Sportsnet / TNT Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers
Lavoie Renaud TVA Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers
Poulin Dave TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Miller Gord TSN Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers




Lol!! How can anyone take Button seriously when he comments on the Oilers? So shameless.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 14:52

Lol!! How can anyone take Button seriously when he comments on the Oilers? So shameless.


If you listen closely you can hear Button's inner struggle when he says positive things about the Oilers and/or their prospects..

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 17:52

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 22 June 2022 15:47

Some notables.. Button is a loyal Flame guy.. in case there was any question..
Seravalli Frank Daily Faceoff Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Gretzky Wayne TNT Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers
Button Craig TSN Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs
Dreger Darren TSN Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
McLennan Jamie TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Ferraro Ray ESPN / TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Cuthbert Chris Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Marek Jeff Sportsnet Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames
Amber David Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Kirill Kaprizov, Minnesota Wild
Bieksa Kevin Sportsnet Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche
Botterill Jen Sportsnet / TNT Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers
Lavoie Renaud TVA Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers
Poulin Dave TSN Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Roman Josi, Nashville Predators
Miller Gord TSN Auston Matthews, Toronto Maple Leafs Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers Jonathan Huberdeau, Florida Panthers Johnny Gaudreau, Calgary Flames Igor Shesterkin, New York Rangers




Lol!! How can anyone take Button seriously when he comments on the Oilers? So shameless.


I'll always appreciate Button for trading Marc Savard always from the Flames for absolutely nothing. Chiarelli was bad with 1 or 1 trades, but Marc Savard for Ruslan Zaynullin was an awful trade that everyone forgets about when talking about all time bad trades, and might have cost the Flames the Stanley Cup the following season. Thanks Craig.

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I'll always appreciate Button for trading Marc Savard always from the Flames for absolutely nothing. Chiarelli was bad with 1 or 1 trades, but Marc Savard for Ruslan Zaynullin was an awful trade that everyone forgets about when talking about all time bad trades, and might have cost the Flames the Stanley Cup the following season. Thanks Craig.


I think you're forgetting just how important a piece Zaynullin really was to the Flames. Glue guy. Great in the room. So many intangibles!

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Based on the alleged criteria that the Hart trophy should go to the most valuable player on a team.. Marcel Dionne should have won it half a dozen times.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 15:14

Based on the alleged criteria that the Hart trophy should go to the most valuable player on a team.. Marcel Dionne should have won it half a dozen times.


What would the actual proper definition be?

Award that goes to either a player that was clearly ahead of everyone else that we can't ignore, or to a player that has been really good for some time that has not yet won the award that we feel deserves to finally get recognition in a year all the candidates are close together. And on special occasions, when the field is pretty weak and even, we can troll a team for making a bad trade and give it to a Taylor Hall.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 14:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 15:14

Based on the alleged criteria that the Hart trophy should go to the most valuable player on a team.. Marcel Dionne should have won it half a dozen times.


What would the actual proper definition be?

Award that goes to either a player that was clearly ahead of everyone else that we can't ignore, or to a player that has been really good for some time that has not yet won the award that we feel deserves to finally get recognition in a year all the candidates are close together. And on special occasions, when the field is pretty weak and even, we can troll a team for making a bad trade and give it to a Taylor Hall.


I think you nailed it!

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 16:02

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 14:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 15:14

Based on the alleged criteria that the Hart trophy should go to the most valuable player on a team.. Marcel Dionne should have won it half a dozen times.


What would the actual proper definition be?

Award that goes to either a player that was clearly ahead of everyone else that we can't ignore, or to a player that has been really good for some time that has not yet won the award that we feel deserves to finally get recognition in a year all the candidates are close together. And on special occasions, when the field is pretty weak and even, we can troll a team for making a bad trade and give it to a Taylor Hall.


I think you nailed it!

Yeah, that's 10/10 from me.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 16:05

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 16:02

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 14:50

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 24 June 2022 15:14

Based on the alleged criteria that the Hart trophy should go to the most valuable player on a team.. Marcel Dionne should have won it half a dozen times.


What would the actual proper definition be?

Award that goes to either a player that was clearly ahead of everyone else that we can't ignore, or to a player that has been really good for some time that has not yet won the award that we feel deserves to finally get recognition in a year all the candidates are close together. And on special occasions, when the field is pretty weak and even, we can troll a team for making a bad trade and give it to a Taylor Hall.


I think you nailed it!

Yeah, that's 10/10 from me.


I'm forgetting how your team has to be in or barely missed the playoffs to qualify no matter how good you were, but I guess that is common knowledge.

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