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What is the holdup here? I highly doubt Woodcroft is playing hardball in a negotiation. We've thrown huge money at crap coaches.

So, what's the deal here? Does Holland think another experienced guy like Tippett will be available?

Woodcroft will be poached if we don't get this done. Yzerman has probably already snuck a coded message to him.

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Per my guy on the inside;

Holland and Woodcroft handshake agreement on 3 year contract. Just have to work out dollars with Katz, Manson also but letting Manson take some time to watch son in SCF. Both will be official sometime before draft.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 June 2022 22:50

Per my guy on the inside;

Holland and Woodcroft handshake agreement on 3 year contract. Just have to work out dollars with Katz, Manson also but letting Manson take some time to watch son in SCF. Both will be official sometime before draft.


Nice. Thank you sir! Pants will be appropriately loosened for the announcement!

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 09 June 2022 22:20

What is the holdup here? I highly doubt Woodcroft is playing hardball in a negotiation. We've thrown huge money at crap coaches.

So, what's the deal here? Does Holland think another experienced guy like Tippett will be available?

Woodcroft will be poached if we don't get this done. Yzerman has probably already snuck a coded message to him.

Holland literally said in his press conference when asked that he and Woodcroft wanted to get through all their meetings and end of the year team stuff this week and Monday or Tuesday of next week they were going to sit down and talk contract.

I assume you must not have listened to his presser because short of giving you the exact time of their meeting next week, he spelled it out pretty clearly.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 10 June 2022 08:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 09 June 2022 22:20

What is the holdup here? I highly doubt Woodcroft is playing hardball in a negotiation. We've thrown huge money at crap coaches.

So, what's the deal here? Does Holland think another experienced guy like Tippett will be available?

Woodcroft will be poached if we don't get this done. Yzerman has probably already snuck a coded message to him.

Holland literally said in his press conference when asked that he and Woodcroft wanted to get through all their meetings and end of the year team stuff this week and Monday or Tuesday of next week they were going to sit down and talk contract.

I assume you must not have listened to his presser because short of giving you the exact time of their meeting next week, he spelled it out pretty clearly.


Did miss him commenting on that. Only caught parts of the presser.

Still took too long IMO, could have been done in the season after it was clear how much he was improving with the team, and now Woody will know he is in big demand. Kind with Holland was as proactive and excited about this as he was the Nurse deal and Keith trade that he couldn't get done fast enough!

Hopefully all works out and Woody doesn't start thinking about other options over the weekend.

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Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland

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 Re: Woodcroft Extension... [message #808984 is a reply to message #808978 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 00:14

Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland


To be fair, Holland said last week that Monday/Tuesday this week were scheduled for talks with the Woodcroft camp. So Kypreos' big scoop isn't that meaningful here.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 07:59

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 00:14

Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland


To be fair, Holland said last week that Monday/Tuesday this week were scheduled for talks with the Woodcroft camp. So Kypreos' big scoop isn't that meaningful here.


Waiting for the Tuesday night scoop from Kypreos :)

If it was me, Woody would have been on my Monday schedule instead of a 2 year deal for Malone. Actually, on my many weeks ago schedule.

Sorry if I seem unnecessarily concerned here. I should have more faith that this org won't make huge errors.

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I have zero concerns. Holland said it's all but a done deal last week. Sat there and praised him. Listened to Woody on one of the sport talk shows last week and he said the family is moving up to EDMONTON now that their kids are done school. You don't move the family up if you aren't staying.

Kyperos is on par with Eklund. Throws things around and sees what stick. If all he did was repeat what the other "insiders" say on Sportsnet, makes for a pretty boring show for him.

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Kypreos was a moronic hockey player and is even more idiotic as a media "personality".

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 08:03

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 07:59

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 00:14

Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland


To be fair, Holland said last week that Monday/Tuesday this week were scheduled for talks with the Woodcroft camp. So Kypreos' big scoop isn't that meaningful here.


Waiting for the Tuesday night scoop from Kypreos :)

If it was me, Woody would have been on my Monday schedule instead of a 2 year deal for Malone. Actually, on my many weeks ago schedule.

Sorry if I seem unnecessarily concerned here. I should have more faith that this org won't make huge errors.


I agree. I would have had Woodcroft on the docket before Malone. But when you're trying to do all your work in the next 3 weeks, you have to be able to multi-task. Can't get to the cabin if you're still haggling with Malone well in to July!

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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 09:37

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 08:03

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 07:59

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 00:14

Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland


To be fair, Holland said last week that Monday/Tuesday this week were scheduled for talks with the Woodcroft camp. So Kypreos' big scoop isn't that meaningful here.


Waiting for the Tuesday night scoop from Kypreos :)

If it was me, Woody would have been on my Monday schedule instead of a 2 year deal for Malone. Actually, on my many weeks ago schedule.

Sorry if I seem unnecessarily concerned here. I should have more faith that this org won't make huge errors.


I agree. I would have had Woodcroft on the docket before Malone. But when you're trying to do all your work in the next 3 weeks, you have to be able to multi-task. Can't get to the cabin if you're still haggling with Malone well in to July!

I see no reason why a GM couldn't delegate Malone to de facto Assistant General Manager Paul Coffey. Maybe that's why this got done so fast. Coffey wanted to impress his bosses.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 09:52

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 09:37

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 08:03

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 07:59

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 00:14

Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland


To be fair, Holland said last week that Monday/Tuesday this week were scheduled for talks with the Woodcroft camp. So Kypreos' big scoop isn't that meaningful here.


Waiting for the Tuesday night scoop from Kypreos :)

If it was me, Woody would have been on my Monday schedule instead of a 2 year deal for Malone. Actually, on my many weeks ago schedule.

Sorry if I seem unnecessarily concerned here. I should have more faith that this org won't make huge errors.


I agree. I would have had Woodcroft on the docket before Malone. But when you're trying to do all your work in the next 3 weeks, you have to be able to multi-task. Can't get to the cabin if you're still haggling with Malone well in to July!

I see no reason why a GM couldn't delegate Malone to de facto Assistant General Manager Paul Coffey. Maybe that's why this got done so fast. Coffey wanted to impress his bosses.

I was going to say something similar. What "work" is required in this deal. I bet it was handled by the AHL people as they would be the ones that see his value the most and would want him back for what they are doing down there. I don't know what NHL league minimum is what it has to be that or within 10k? You throw him the contract, tell him it's 2 way and take it or leave it.

Someone bringing up signing Brad Malone and using it as a negative towards not having the coach extended after their season ended a week ago, is in my opinion someone who just spends their time looking for something to complain about.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 09:52

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 09:37

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 08:03

Adam wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 07:59

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 June 2022 00:14

Kyreos a few hours ago:

Doesn’t appear like any contract talks have started yet with @EdmontonOilers head coach Jay Woodcroft. I’m told multiple @NHL teams are monitoring the situation with Jay in Edm as a handful of @NHL teams continue their wait and see coaching search. @FAN590 #RealKyperandBourne

Hmmmmm…. Don’t F this up Holland


To be fair, Holland said last week that Monday/Tuesday this week were scheduled for talks with the Woodcroft camp. So Kypreos' big scoop isn't that meaningful here.


Waiting for the Tuesday night scoop from Kypreos :)

If it was me, Woody would have been on my Monday schedule instead of a 2 year deal for Malone. Actually, on my many weeks ago schedule.

Sorry if I seem unnecessarily concerned here. I should have more faith that this org won't make huge errors.


I agree. I would have had Woodcroft on the docket before Malone. But when you're trying to do all your work in the next 3 weeks, you have to be able to multi-task. Can't get to the cabin if you're still haggling with Malone well in to July!

I see no reason why a GM couldn't delegate Malone to de facto Assistant General Manager Paul Coffey. Maybe that's why this got done so fast. Coffey wanted to impress his bosses.


He signs deals almost as fast as he skated! Although not having an official position, are we still bound by the contracts that he signs?

I look forward to Coffey taking over the @FakeOilersGM account on twitter.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.

I saw a picture on twitter today of Holland at a lunch meeting with Kane/Kuzmenko's agent. Hyman and Woody were also at that meeting. If Woody wasn't going to be your coach, I don't think you have him at recruitment meetings. There was also a picture of Hyman, Woody and some employee posed so it was definitely Woody.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.

The problem is, Bouchard and Barrie are basically the same dman, Barrie just has more experience. This is just my opinion but I think the Oilers defense on the right side need:
- Offensive, PP QB - Bouchard
- An all around guy who is decent at both ends - Ceci
- Defensive shut down guy who can skate. - They need that.

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The problem is, Bouchard and Barrie are basically the same dman, Barrie just has more experience. This is just my opinion but I think the Oilers defense on the right side need:
- Offensive, PP QB - Bouchard
- An all around guy who is decent at both ends - Ceci
- Defensive shut down guy who can skate. - They need that.


Agree with this 100%
Nothing against Barrie, he is what he is, good or bad. His cap hit is high enough to be useful savings but low enough to be tradable.
As you say Bouchard and Barrie are basically the same. The difference is that Bouchard is the future in that spot you list so Barrie is redundant. I hope they trade him now, give Bouchard the extra minutes on the PP and try and fill that third spot in FA or another youngster who has earned a spot.


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nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.


I think our defence should improve from within. Sheltered Broberg minutes at 5v5 will be at worst a push with Barrie by Xmas.

Almost all of our prospects that are “ripe” are on the blue line. Sign Kulak, healthy Nurse, Ceci, Broberg, Niemelainen, and grab a UFA after Keith retires.

That’s a push at worst. Goaltending is almost certainly will be changed. 85% chance?

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 08:42

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 08:42

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.

The biggest up arrow for playoff success is being in a bad division. Unless 2 or 3 teams rise up to the level of dominance, the Oilers can probably sleep comfortably knowing they'll get to the playoffs and be competitive for at least a series, maybe two.

Unless McDavid gets injured.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 08:42

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.

Pro sports is supposed to be fun. I hope the day comes for you and a few others in here where the automatic default for the team is they will suck or screw up everything. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, it just can't be as much fun as it could be assuming your team will do something bad or be bad all the time.

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Pro sports is supposed to be fun. I hope the day comes for you and a few others in here where the automatic default for the team is they will suck or screw up everything. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, it just can't be as much fun as it could be assuming your team will do something bad or be bad all the time.


I would love it if the day comes when the default assumption shouldn't be that the management will screw it up.

Of course, they may need to build a bit of a track record of not screwing it all up all the time for that day to come.

Hiring competent people would go a long way!

Also - I have fun watching the Oilers, and I enjoy the conversations in here. Some of the gallows humour here is amazing. I can't just be a Pollyanna and naively think that these dinosaurs are suddenly going to have an epiphany though.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 10:27


Pro sports is supposed to be fun. I hope the day comes for you and a few others in here where the automatic default for the team is they will suck or screw up everything. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, it just can't be as much fun as it could be assuming your team will do something bad or be bad all the time.

I really enjoy being pessimistic about Oilers management. The sport is fun and all, but there aren't actually that many games for people to watch and only so many things to think about while they going on. Whereas discussing management is a 24/7/362 (I take a few days off) activity. My favorite part of being pessimistic about the Oilers is our ability to pull historical comparisons. Think about it, the Oilers sign Brad Malone for an extra year. It doesn't really matter because it's Brad Malone, but because they locked him up for an extra year this collective group was able to pull a dozen comparables and take a walk down the extra year memory lane. THAT is the Oilers adding value for me.

Pro sports is a business and should be treated as such (imo). When the consumer is spending hundreds or thousands of dollars to experience a single event, the bar is higher. When you're dropping $15 to go to a Junior A game, that can be just for fun.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 10:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 10:27


Pro sports is supposed to be fun. I hope the day comes for you and a few others in here where the automatic default for the team is they will suck or screw up everything. I am not trying to pick a fight with you, it just can't be as much fun as it could be assuming your team will do something bad or be bad all the time.

I really enjoy being pessimistic about Oilers management. The sport is fun and all, but there aren't actually that many games for people to watch and only so many things to think about while they going on. Whereas discussing management is a 24/7/362 (I take a few days off) activity. My favorite part of being pessimistic about the Oilers is our ability to pull historical comparisons. Think about it, the Oilers sign Brad Malone for an extra year. It doesn't really matter because it's Brad Malone, but because they locked him up for an extra year this collective group was able to pull a dozen comparables and take a walk down the extra year memory lane. THAT is the Oilers adding value for me.

Pro sports is a business and should be treated as such (imo). When the consumer is spending hundreds or thousands of dollars to experience a single event, the bar is higher. When you're dropping $15 to go to a Junior A game, that can be just for fun.

Hey, if being pessimistic about the Oilers brings you joy, then perfect. We are all different so there is no judgement on my part. Just curious.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 08:42

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.


Sadly fully agree. We haven't exactly changed our stripes. Look at us around here, we're psyched that we're signing Woodcroft to a 3yr deal after a half season of decent hockey, and a playoff where we beat LA without their two best players, CGY with Tanev busted up and Markstrom letting in beach balls, then we got SWEPT. For the second year in a row we were swept out of the playoffs. Woodcroft's resume is looking very Krueger-esque. He was under 0.600 as a coach in the AHL, which is pretty meh. He won a championship, but Bakersfield was in a 7 team league and we played 6 games to do it.

I'm not saying he wasn't the right choice, but Cassidy, DeBoer, and Trotz were all available at some point. I get that they wouldn't put up with the crap from our management layer, but one can hope. All I want is an interview process, instead of a rush to crush reds at the lake house.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Katz will sell the team. Nashville just got sold. That's what we really need.

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Rutuu wrote on Sun, 19 June 2022 16:49

Adam wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 08:42

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.


Sadly fully agree. We haven't exactly changed our stripes. Look at us around here, we're psyched that we're signing Woodcroft to a 3yr deal after a half season of decent hockey, and a playoff where we beat LA without their two best players, CGY with Tanev busted up and Markstrom letting in beach balls, then we got SWEPT. For the second year in a row we were swept out of the playoffs. Woodcroft's resume is looking very Krueger-esque. He was under 0.600 as a coach in the AHL, which is pretty meh. He won a championship, but Bakersfield was in a 7 team league and we played 6 games to do it.

I'm not saying he wasn't the right choice, but Cassidy, DeBoer, and Trotz were all available at some point. I get that they wouldn't put up with the crap from our management layer, but one can hope. All I want is an interview process, instead of a rush to crush reds at the lake house.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Katz will sell the team. Nashville just got sold. That's what we really need.




Kudos on the top tier pessimism. Putting some of us negative Nancy's to shame.


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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 19 June 2022 18:56

Rutuu wrote on Sun, 19 June 2022 16:49

Adam wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 17 June 2022 08:42

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:19

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 16:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:47

nullterm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:32

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 14:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 15:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 June 2022 08:13

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 June 2022 16:48

Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.


Sadly fully agree. We haven't exactly changed our stripes. Look at us around here, we're psyched that we're signing Woodcroft to a 3yr deal after a half season of decent hockey, and a playoff where we beat LA without their two best players, CGY with Tanev busted up and Markstrom letting in beach balls, then we got SWEPT. For the second year in a row we were swept out of the playoffs. Woodcroft's resume is looking very Krueger-esque. He was under 0.600 as a coach in the AHL, which is pretty meh. He won a championship, but Bakersfield was in a 7 team league and we played 6 games to do it.

I'm not saying he wasn't the right choice, but Cassidy, DeBoer, and Trotz were all available at some point. I get that they wouldn't put up with the crap from our management layer, but one can hope. All I want is an interview process, instead of a rush to crush reds at the lake house.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Katz will sell the team. Nashville just got sold. That's what we really need.




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Here I thought I was pessimistic for just stating Holland won’t provide 2997 with a Defence or goaltending to achieve the same level of success the team had this year.

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Coming soon per he who shall be named Odie

I assume Dreger is Odie?

In case he isn't, I saw Dreger tweet yesterday they are working on something so that's a good thing.


No the guy I try to buy the friendship of works for OEG.

Not Woodcroft related (though part of discussions are his input on players from this playoff run) but the Oilers have a couple different talks re: Barrie.


Sounds like Stauffer was teasing that the Oilers are going to have a lot more cap space than people expect. Barrie trade seems like one of the low hanging fruit chances to do that.


I know he's more on dimensional player, but I'd be sad to see Barrie go. He's still an okay defenceman, but is really really good with the rest of our PP players.

Having both Barrie and Bouchard on the roster for PP given the rest of our roster is definitely one of our few strengths.

For the record, Barrie was 2x the PP minutes of Bouchard, even in the playoffs.


Barrie has grown on me as well. Seems like a great guy and popular among everyone on the roster. I do think this is our last chance to trade his cap hit easily though. Bouch likely will take over the PP next year. Barrie may end the year playing 3rd pair with ~20 points. Don't think that 4.5M moves easily next summer. And we are desperate for cap space now. Nurse's salary is about to jump. We can't pencil in a guy we think may play 3rd pair a lot for 4.5M. We may also be looking to sign Kulak to keep the left side up with NHL quality guys.

It's just the obvious move that would simplify a lot of things this summer. Would be nice to keep him, but we're pretty firmly in cap hell right now having to decide who goes.


The crummy thing is, trading Barrie now pretty well is an auto guarantee that Bouch will be paaaaaaaid after next season given the additional pp responsibility. They can’t afford to kick the can the road with him like they did nurse.

But trading Barrie provides 4.5M you can spend on improvements. And, I guess Keith’s 5M is off the books when Bouch reups, so there’s bouch’ money.

The point should be to improve the team. So if getting Barrie off the books and trading from a place of strength on the team allows to to beef up other areas, you have to do it now vs trying to stunt and slow play a young guy so he is cheaper. In my opinion, with the way McD and Leon played in the playoffs, I am not talking their points and I more mean how they ramped up their intensity, their compete level and showed they are willing to do what it takes to win now. They told the GM it's go time. McD and Leon were always good in previous playoffs but they in my opinion, took their game to a new level and incorporated much needed things that have to have to win in the playoffs that weren't there before.



I’d argue this team, given the cap restraints as we know today, will not duplicate their successes from this season, next season.

I have 10% faith that Holland will actually provide Connor and Leon with a defense capable of helping to provide league average goaltending and actual depth scoring that doesn’t fade when games get ‘too fast’ or ‘too heavy’.

Wow, that's pretty pessimistic on June 17th don't you think?

To do what you think won't happen. A person would have to assume that a full season under Woody and Manson won't help them even maintain. Nurse will regress on a solid season, he didn't shoot the lights out but I heard lots of numbers saying he was solid defensively. Ceci at 28 can't be solid anymore. Bouchard at 22 won't get any better at all. Broberg can't play in the league. No one else from Baker can play at all. Then you factor in Kulak is probably back or at least another dman.

Then at forward for scoring. McD at 26 and Leon at 26, that was it, decline city from now on. Hyman 30 and Nuge 29 will go Lucic and are done with a snap of a finger. Yamo and JP, this season was it for them, decline time. McLeod at 22 can't improve what so ever, this is it. Holloway is a never will be.

All of what I said would to happen for the Oilers to be incapable of playing even average defense and for their depth scoring to dry up. I find it hard to believe that all of the young players won't take a step and that a full year under Woody and Manson where they can come in from day 1 and implement how they want to play fully rather than just tweaking things mid season won't help the team.


Given Oilers management, and the fact that there's no changes to that management team, pessimism is probably warranted. It should be pretty much established fact by this point that Lowe, Holland and Nicholson are incompetent. They are all way past their best before date, stuck in old school thinking, stubborn and lazy - which is a heck of a combination.

The chances of them screwing up multiple times this summer are high - I mean, it's an annual rite of summer now.


Sadly fully agree. We haven't exactly changed our stripes. Look at us around here, we're psyched that we're signing Woodcroft to a 3yr deal after a half season of decent hockey, and a playoff where we beat LA without their two best players, CGY with Tanev busted up and Markstrom letting in beach balls, then we got SWEPT. For the second year in a row we were swept out of the playoffs. Woodcroft's resume is looking very Krueger-esque. He was under 0.600 as a coach in the AHL, which is pretty meh. He won a championship, but Bakersfield was in a 7 team league and we played 6 games to do it.

I'm not saying he wasn't the right choice, but Cassidy, DeBoer, and Trotz were all available at some point. I get that they wouldn't put up with the crap from our management layer, but one can hope. All I want is an interview process, instead of a rush to crush reds at the lake house.

Maybe we'll get lucky and Katz will sell the team. Nashville just got sold. That's what we really need.




Kudos on the top tier pessimism. Putting some of us negative Nancy's to shame.



Here I thought I was pessimistic for just stating Holland won’t provide 2997 with a Defence or goaltending to achieve the same level of success the team had this year.


2997. Took me longer than it should have :)

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 June 2022 11:23

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 19 June 2022 18:59


Here I thought I was pessimistic for just stating Holland won’t provide 2997 with a Defence or goaltending to achieve the same level of success the team had this year.


2997. Took me longer than it should have :)


I thought he was predicting the year of our next Cup win...

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