NetBOG wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 00:00

Adam wrote on Tue, 31 May 2022 23:50 Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 31 May 2022 23:37 Oh and just to be clear.. Ron McLean is an absolute embarrassment, his extended intermission "big-screen explanation" trying to confuse the audience into believing that the off-side goal was in fact not actually off-side was pathetic. He didn't even understand the drivel that was coming out of his own mouth. One of the most embarrassing displays of NHL bootlicking by media I've ever seen. Can't believe that ass-hat claims to be a referee. Makar had POSSESSION of the puck the entire time he crossed the blue line.. the puck NEVER left the control of his stick.. he did not "shoot" it in over the line and then "picked it up" on the other side of the blue line.. End. Of. Discussion. You don't lose "possession" if the puck does not continually touch the stick.. if you are "stickhandling" it never does.. its in fact the exact definition of stick "handling".. what defines "possession" is "control of the puck".. and Makar had control the entire time. Easy decision. NO GOAL The Avs 3rd goal (off-side), 4th goal (PPG from challenging the NHL's incompetence/bias) .. and the 8th goal (EN) were all the result of the NHL's decision to re-write the NHL rule book as they conducted the review.. Oilers won 6-5 Game 2, Oilers need to tighten up in their own end (they did the last half of the game).. and then just keep pumping pucks past Kuemper.. Well, I'll disagree slightly. We didn't win, even if that's clearly a major turning point. It's impossible to know how the game plays out without that call. I thought Woodcroft did a good job explaining it after the game. Makar carries the puck across the line and never makes any attempt to hold up or avoid playing the puck. As Jay says, "it's not like he stops and lifts his stick for a second, he doesn't even know his guy is off-side." To me, that's possession. The NHL blows down the play on possession on delayed off-sides and penalty kills regularly where the guy hasn't yet touched the puck. Here they're clinging to a fraction of a second, if you allow that he didn't still have the puck touching his stick when it fully crossed the blueline, which is controversial in its own right. If this is really the rule, then undoubtedly refs get it wrong all the time when players are tagging up, as they need to see whether the puck actually touched the stick on his stickhandling or was between taps whenever they are making that call. That's just not consistent with the way the game is officiated. Just a brutal call. Maybe that's the hockey gods coming back on us after the Calgary disallowed goal (which to me was a 50/50 play), although they still owe us for the McDavid "goalie interference" one a couple games earlier then. There is no way a linesman saw all of the slow-mo replays in real time. If he isn't completely incompetant, the play is blown dead on the ice and none of this happens. Unfortunately either Brad Kovachik (#71) or Devin Berg (#87) couldn't do the simplest part of their job right. He was a foot inside the zone!

Can see from the right side shot how the lineman is behind the line and trying to look through players to determine that offside. If he was on the line, very likely it's blown down.

Kind of our fault though, our crappy zone exit attempt is the reason the puck turns over fast, comes flying back into our zone and the linesman had to try to run back to our line. Just an unfortunate sequence of events. Double unfortunate for Nurse who makes the bad exit play throwing a puck knees high right at Kane (wth, seriously), and is in a crap position to try to challenge Makar and block the shot.

If the linesman sees it properly, it's dead. Since it came down to a review and getting to zoom in and figure out the first contact inside the zone, it becomes a good goal. Sucks.

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 00:17]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 01:15]

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Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 00:29

Viewing from the other side though the puck is a couple inches away from his stick. He doesn't touch the puck inside the zone until much later :(

But, that is the angle the linesman would have seen if he didn't have to run back to get on the line after the quick turnover. Would have called the play dead for sure if he saw that.

If we had to give anything back to the hockey gods for the war room correctly assessing Coleman's intent to kick the puck in, I think this little sequence should satisfy it. Both right calls, but one for us, one against.

On to game 2. Gotta not play like ass, especially right after we score, which was the case for the Makar goal. A trash shift after a goal turned into 2 goals against on that one.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 05:18]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 12:18]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 10:53

So question for you. Do you scratch one of Keith, Nurse or both based on them having an off night while completely ignore the majority of good? I feel and I've seen on twitter a ton from all his haters that Keith overall, have been pretty darn good. Yes he's had a few bad games, or makes a mistake bur for the huge majority of the time, he's been solid. Same goes for Nurse. He's clearly playing hurt, its limiting him but he still does a lot of good things. But I find all people focus on when it comes to a particular select few, is the bad. A guy could do 50 plays, 47 great, 3 bad and it's the bad a person focuses on.

You must read different twitter than I do

Duncan Keith has not been good, imo. He still does some things well, and he's got good offensive instincts, but he can't defend the rush or the cycle (he gets beat decisively leading to scoring chances against multiple times per game at this point), and he's too slow to consistently skate the puck out of the zone (which leads to him getting hemmed in), or participate in rush chances.

There's zero chance that he gets scratched, but there's no reason, other than reputation, that he should be playing more minutes than Kulak at this point.





https://twitter.com/NHL_Sid/status/1530949782482526209?s=20& amp; amp; amp;t=H1kFmM1ibhJbURWNlgWzYw

Quote:

@NHL_Sid: Also, Keith's microstats are really concerning. Alongside his brutal entry defence, he has 16 turnovers leading to shots. No Oilers player has more than 7. He has 14 failed zone exits. No Oilers player has over 7. He ranks last among Oilers D in DZ Breakups (only 2 in total).

https://twitter.com/NHL_Sid/status/1530949789595996160?s=20& amp; amp; amp;t=H1kFmM1ibhJbURWNlgWzYw

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 12:20]

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Goose wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:14

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 10:53 So question for you. Do you scratch one of Keith, Nurse or both based on them having an off night while completely ignore the majority of good? I feel and I've seen on twitter a ton from all his haters that Keith overall, have been pretty darn good. Yes he's had a few bad games, or makes a mistake bur for the huge majority of the time, he's been solid. Same goes for Nurse. He's clearly playing hurt, its limiting him but he still does a lot of good things. But I find all people focus on when it comes to a particular select few, is the bad. A guy could do 50 plays, 47 great, 3 bad and it's the bad a person focuses on. You must read different twitter than I do Duncan Keith has not been good, imo. He still does some things well, and he's got good offensive instincts, but he can't defend the rush or the cycle (he gets beat decisively leading to scoring chances against multiple times per game at this point), and he's too slow to consistently skate the puck out of the zone (which leads to him getting hemmed in), or participate in rush chances. There's zero chance that he gets scratched, but there's no reason, other than reputation, that he should be playing more minutes than Kulak at this point. https://twitter.com/NHL_Sid/status/1530949782482526209?s=20& amp; amp; amp; amp;t=H1kFmM1ibhJbURWNlgWzYw Quote: @NHL_Sid: Also, Keith's microstats are really concerning. Alongside his brutal entry defence, he has 16 turnovers leading to shots. No Oilers player has more than 7. He has 14 failed zone exits. No Oilers player has over 7. He ranks last among Oilers D in DZ Breakups (only 2 in total). https://twitter.com/NHL_Sid/status/1530949789595996160?s=20& amp; amp; amp; amp;t=H1kFmM1ibhJbURWNlgWzYw

All you can hope about Keith is that A) as with Ken Holland, we win the Cup and he decides to retire as a winner and B) Bob Stauffer's rumour this week about the Oilers wanting to extend him for two more years after next year is just inane musings by the big man, and not indicative of any actual Oilers plan to double down on one of their biggest mistakes they've made in the last couple years.

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#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

Clean house or bust

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 12:41]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

Adam wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:45

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:37 Adam wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:34 RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:30 Does any of those stats you listed, show how many goals against he's been on for? I am sure some people will ridicule me but some of those advanced stats don't mean a hell of a lot to me. Sure they tell some of the story but how the team plays, their system and how the player plays can impact the numbers. For me its all about the goals. Who ever scores more wins. SO if a dman does stop the puck being carried in as much but don't give up a lot of goals because he's good down low, I don't really care as much. If the dman gives up a lot of long range shots that have next to zero chance of going in, compared to another guy, I don't care. That's what I would like to know. Duncan Keith is -5 in a playoffs where we're 8-5 so far. So yeah, he's giving up a lot. Those weren't really that advanced of stats either. Just looking at how guys defend rushes against. The stuff that was killing us with Tippett coaching, with all our D giving up the blueline easy, that Manson has tried to fix. Keith is the lone holdout, clearly. You attack the right side on us when Keith is on the ice, chances are you are gonna get in the zone with possession and have lots of options to attack. The Keith abides when you wish to enter the Oilers zone. Been some really significant goals against in the playoffs where Keith is in full abide mode for someone entering our zone on his side. To be fair to him, he's got no wheels so he may WANT to do what Manson's telling him to...he just can't. I do think it's funny that the media narrative is that he's stabilizing Bouchard, when the numbers really show it's the reverse if anything.

I'm just not seeing the effort. Would like to think Keith is more inclined now to challenge at the blue line, but still see him backpedaling as fast as he can and starting the out of range stick waving.

Think it would be fair to say Bouch is the guy helping the pair out more. Good learning experience for him I guess.

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 15:51]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 15:48

Adam wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:45 Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:37 Adam wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:34 RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:30 Does any of those stats you listed, show how many goals against he's been on for? I am sure some people will ridicule me but some of those advanced stats don't mean a hell of a lot to me. Sure they tell some of the story but how the team plays, their system and how the player plays can impact the numbers. For me its all about the goals. Who ever scores more wins. SO if a dman does stop the puck being carried in as much but don't give up a lot of goals because he's good down low, I don't really care as much. If the dman gives up a lot of long range shots that have next to zero chance of going in, compared to another guy, I don't care. That's what I would like to know. Duncan Keith is -5 in a playoffs where we're 8-5 so far. So yeah, he's giving up a lot. Those weren't really that advanced of stats either. Just looking at how guys defend rushes against. The stuff that was killing us with Tippett coaching, with all our D giving up the blueline easy, that Manson has tried to fix. Keith is the lone holdout, clearly. You attack the right side on us when Keith is on the ice, chances are you are gonna get in the zone with possession and have lots of options to attack. The Keith abides when you wish to enter the Oilers zone. Been some really significant goals against in the playoffs where Keith is in full abide mode for someone entering our zone on his side. To be fair to him, he's got no wheels so he may WANT to do what Manson's telling him to...he just can't. I do think it's funny that the media narrative is that he's stabilizing Bouchard, when the numbers really show it's the reverse if anything. I'm just not seeing the effort. Would like to think Keith is more inclined now to challenge at the blue line, but still see him backpedaling as fast as he can and starting the out of range stick waving. Think it would be fair to say Bouch is the guy helping the pair out more. Good learning experience for him I guess.

The thing that stands out to me is that we have basically one dman on the left side now who is consistent in their play. Keith has had moments. Nurse… sure use the injured excuse but the dude’s been missing marbles for quite some time so try again. But Kulak is the only left side D who is reliable night in, night out.

I’m also rather high on Must right now though, so not sure if im making much sense

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
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Goose wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 12:14

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 01 June 2022 10:53 So question for you. Do you scratch one of Keith, Nurse or both based on them having an off night while completely ignore the majority of good? I feel and I've seen on twitter a ton from all his haters that Keith overall, have been pretty darn good. Yes he's had a few bad games, or makes a mistake bur for the huge majority of the time, he's been solid. Same goes for Nurse. He's clearly playing hurt, its limiting him but he still does a lot of good things. But I find all people focus on when it comes to a particular select few, is the bad. A guy could do 50 plays, 47 great, 3 bad and it's the bad a person focuses on. You must read different twitter than I do Duncan Keith has not been good, imo. He still does some things well, and he's got good offensive instincts, but he can't defend the rush or the cycle (he gets beat decisively leading to scoring chances against multiple times per game at this point), and he's too slow to consistently skate the puck out of the zone (which leads to him getting hemmed in), or participate in rush chances. There's zero chance that he gets scratched, but there's no reason, other than reputation, that he should be playing more minutes than Kulak at this point. https://twitter.com/NHL_Sid/status/1530949782482526209?s=20& amp; amp; amp; amp;t=H1kFmM1ibhJbURWNlgWzYw Quote: @NHL_Sid: Also, Keith's microstats are really concerning. Alongside his brutal entry defence, he has 16 turnovers leading to shots. No Oilers player has more than 7. He has 14 failed zone exits. No Oilers player has over 7. He ranks last among Oilers D in DZ Breakups (only 2 in total). https://twitter.com/NHL_Sid/status/1530949789595996160?s=20& amp; amp; amp; amp;t=H1kFmM1ibhJbURWNlgWzYw

your fancy stats don't take intangibles into account. Keith is closer to his kid. Family, that's what's really important, but how do you measure that?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 14:36]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 14:57]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 14:33]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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"...the Oilers have been rebuilding for so long that it’s hard not to be cynical." - NBC's Ryan Dadoun Jan 2, 2015

[Updated on: Wed, 01 June 2022 18:05]

Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,