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Not saying Keith would ever consider doing this, or if he should, but its an interesting feature of NHL regulations when a player retires, and the long term cap implications are to the team that traded him... eg. Luongo > Canucks

I never realized the huge implications would be to Chicago for Keith.
If Keith were to decide to retire, I'd tell Chicago instead of you taking a $7.5M cap hit, we'll put Keith on LTIR.. if you give us a 1st rounder.. or Kirby Dach! :)

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Duncan Keith Potential Recapture
If Keith retires after the upcoming season, what are the repercussions?

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Jul 13, 2021
If Keith were to retire after this 21-22 season (with 1 season remaining), it would trigger a recapture cap hit for Chicago and Edmonton. The recapture is the difference between the cap hit and the compensation for all the years the player played on a team. For Keith, if he retired after 21-22, the recapture would be:

-Chicago recapture charge of $7,476,918. The charge would be allocated as $5,538,462 (Keith's original cap Hit) in 22-23, and the remaining $1,938,456 in 23-24

-Edmonton recapture benefit of $3,438,462 in 22-23; this is a negative cap hit (cap savings)

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You can't just put a guy on LTIR, he has to be injured.

And the Oilers could use the cap.

This summer we all find out Holland is playing 9D chess.



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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 15:24

...You can't just put a guy on LTIR, he has to be injured.




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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 17:20

NetBOG wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 15:24

...You can't just put a guy on LTIR, he has to be injured.




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Perhaps that’s why Holland agreed on no retention? Could make a little sense, though still an obvious gamble.


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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 18:49

Perhaps that’s why Holland agreed on no retention? Could make a little sense, though still an obvious gamble.


Ha ha ha ha ha...no. Holland isn't playing 3D Chess here. He got snookered in to thinking he had a Norris Trophy candidate coming to Edmonton for the low low price of Jones and a draft pick.

It would be a great scenario if Duncan Keith retired, but I think there's just no chance of it.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:42

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 18:49

Perhaps that’s why Holland agreed on no retention? Could make a little sense, though still an obvious gamble.


Ha ha ha ha ha...no. Holland isn't playing 3D Chess here. He got snookered in to thinking he had a Norris Trophy candidate coming to Edmonton for the low low price of Jones and a draft pick.

It would be a great scenario if Duncan Keith retired, but I think there's just no chance of it.


But at least a Smith-Skinner tandem next season allows Holland to keep Keith, Barrie and possibly Kane. 😏



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I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:28

I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.

I have the same thoughts. You hear a ton how once an NHL player retires, they get some kind of surgery to fix something they were dealing with for a long time. I listen to the Calgary morning show from time to time on my drive in and they have Rhett Warner on it. He had shoulder issues for years. Once retired, he got a surgery. Seems like a fair amount of these players tend to have something that needs fixing at some point but while they are playing they just rehab it and get minor things done. Keith isn't a big guy and with all the playoffs and Olympics and other events plus all the games he's played, I could see him having something.

Prediction. Keith only makes 1.5 mill in actual money and in his last year of his deal. He decides beating himself up in training and in the season isn't worth it and goes on "LTIR" for the year. Same for Smith.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 08:24

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:28

I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.

I have the same thoughts. You hear a ton how once an NHL player retires, they get some kind of surgery to fix something they were dealing with for a long time. I listen to the Calgary morning show from time to time on my drive in and they have Rhett Warner on it. He had shoulder issues for years. Once retired, he got a surgery. Seems like a fair amount of these players tend to have something that needs fixing at some point but while they are playing they just rehab it and get minor things done. Keith isn't a big guy and with all the playoffs and Olympics and other events plus all the games he's played, I could see him having something.

Prediction. Keith only makes 1.5 mill in actual money and in his last year of his deal. He decides beating himself up in training and in the season isn't worth it and goes on "LTIR" for the year. Same for Smith.

Who do you think we are, Chicago? Both smith and Keith are back next season. That’s my prediction barring a buyout.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 08:24

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:28

I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.

I have the same thoughts. You hear a ton how once an NHL player retires, they get some kind of surgery to fix something they were dealing with for a long time. I listen to the Calgary morning show from time to time on my drive in and they have Rhett Warner on it. He had shoulder issues for years. Once retired, he got a surgery. Seems like a fair amount of these players tend to have something that needs fixing at some point but while they are playing they just rehab it and get minor things done. Keith isn't a big guy and with all the playoffs and Olympics and other events plus all the games he's played, I could see him having something.

Prediction. Keith only makes 1.5 mill in actual money and in his last year of his deal. He decides beating himself up in training and in the season isn't worth it and goes on "LTIR" for the year. Same for Smith.

Who do you think we are, Chicago? Both smith and Keith are back next season. That’s my prediction barring a buyout.


To be fair, we did more or less do that with Ference & his last year here didn't we?



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 08:24

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:28

I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.

I have the same thoughts. You hear a ton how once an NHL player retires, they get some kind of surgery to fix something they were dealing with for a long time. I listen to the Calgary morning show from time to time on my drive in and they have Rhett Warner on it. He had shoulder issues for years. Once retired, he got a surgery. Seems like a fair amount of these players tend to have something that needs fixing at some point but while they are playing they just rehab it and get minor things done. Keith isn't a big guy and with all the playoffs and Olympics and other events plus all the games he's played, I could see him having something.

Prediction. Keith only makes 1.5 mill in actual money and in his last year of his deal. He decides beating himself up in training and in the season isn't worth it and goes on "LTIR" for the year. Same for Smith.

Who do you think we are, Chicago? Both smith and Keith are back next season. That’s my prediction barring a buyout.


To be fair, we did more or less do that with Ference & his last year here didn't we?


They sure did.




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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 14:37

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 08:24

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:28

I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.

I have the same thoughts. You hear a ton how once an NHL player retires, they get some kind of surgery to fix something they were dealing with for a long time. I listen to the Calgary morning show from time to time on my drive in and they have Rhett Warner on it. He had shoulder issues for years. Once retired, he got a surgery. Seems like a fair amount of these players tend to have something that needs fixing at some point but while they are playing they just rehab it and get minor things done. Keith isn't a big guy and with all the playoffs and Olympics and other events plus all the games he's played, I could see him having something.

Prediction. Keith only makes 1.5 mill in actual money and in his last year of his deal. He decides beating himself up in training and in the season isn't worth it and goes on "LTIR" for the year. Same for Smith.

Who do you think we are, Chicago? Both smith and Keith are back next season. That’s my prediction barring a buyout.


To be fair, we did more or less do that with Ference & his last year here didn't we?


They sure did.




I think there was some legitimacy to that injury though. Problems with his skating stride?



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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 17:10

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 14:37

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 12:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 April 2022 08:24

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 20:28

I was actually thinking about this while out and about the other day, didn't end up looking it up and bang here it is. I mean he's old, there's gotta be something that needs working on. A shoulder, knees, I honestly don't think LTIR would be an issue here and if we could hold them over a barrel and get a dach or first, that would be an ingenious plan, the x factor is Holland.

I have the same thoughts. You hear a ton how once an NHL player retires, they get some kind of surgery to fix something they were dealing with for a long time. I listen to the Calgary morning show from time to time on my drive in and they have Rhett Warner on it. He had shoulder issues for years. Once retired, he got a surgery. Seems like a fair amount of these players tend to have something that needs fixing at some point but while they are playing they just rehab it and get minor things done. Keith isn't a big guy and with all the playoffs and Olympics and other events plus all the games he's played, I could see him having something.

Prediction. Keith only makes 1.5 mill in actual money and in his last year of his deal. He decides beating himself up in training and in the season isn't worth it and goes on "LTIR" for the year. Same for Smith.

Who do you think we are, Chicago? Both smith and Keith are back next season. That’s my prediction barring a buyout.


To be fair, we did more or less do that with Ference & his last year here didn't we?


They sure did.




I think there was some legitimacy to that injury though. Problems with his skating stride?

There was but like I said, you see lots of retired players get some kind of surgery for something pretty quick after they are done. It was something that had to be addressed at somepoint but when they are playing they just get all kinds of treatments and rehab because they don't want to miss a ton of time.



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