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Adam wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 13:03

Mike wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 06:17

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 00:05

Mike wrote on Sun, 21 November 2021 20:01

Another shutout for the Flames tonight. Against Boston. What the hell is going on???

Good goaltending?


I dunno - 7 shutouts in 19 games is certainly good goaltending, but it has to be more than that too doesn't it? Don't think prime Hasek and Roy ever had such a stretch. confused2


Brian Boucher was pretty close though...


I remember that 5 game stretch he had. Nuts that of all goalies it was Brian Boucher, he only had 17 shutouts in his career, and only 6 more after he had those 5. Better to remember him for that than for the Ovechkin goal.



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As amazing as McDavid and Draisaitl’s starts are, 36 year old Alex Ovechkin is right there with them. Honestly that’s at least as impressive. 2 more goals tonight with a period and a half to go. 17 goals in 20.5 GP. These, along with 97 and 29, are 80s numbers.


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Mike wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:27

As amazing as McDavid and Draisaitl’s starts are, 36 year old Alex Ovechkin is right there with them. Honestly that’s at least as impressive. 2 more goals tonight with a period and a half to go. 17 goals in 20.5 GP. These, along with 97 and 29, are 80s numbers.


Question - does anyone think Ovechkin might be on performance enhancers of some sort?



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It’s possible but it’s also possible top athletes are able to play longer because of modern health and performance practices. Either way I hope McDavid is paying attention.


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Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 19:42

Mike wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:27

As amazing as McDavid and Draisaitl’s starts are, 36 year old Alex Ovechkin is right there with them. Honestly that’s at least as impressive. 2 more goals tonight with a period and a half to go. 17 goals in 20.5 GP. These, along with 97 and 29, are 80s numbers.


Question - does anyone think Ovechkin might be on performance enhancers of some sort?


Make that 18 goals in 21 games. At 36. His best start to a season ever - he set a Capitals record for most points in the first 20 games.



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Mike wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 17:59

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 19:42

Mike wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:27

As amazing as McDavid and Draisaitl’s starts are, 36 year old Alex Ovechkin is right there with them. Honestly that’s at least as impressive. 2 more goals tonight with a period and a half to go. 17 goals in 20.5 GP. These, along with 97 and 29, are 80s numbers.


Question - does anyone think Ovechkin might be on performance enhancers of some sort?


Make that 18 goals in 21 games. At 36. His best start to a season ever - he set a Capitals record for most points in the first 20 games.


It’s impressive but also a little suspicious. Not many players have their best start at his age. He’s close with the Russian administration who has doped with impunity and have helped pro athletes like Sharapova to cheat in the past too. The NHL’s drug program is not exactly the toughest in sports and there’s an Olympics with NHL players participating this year too…

I hope not, but I think it’s definitely a possibility.



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I hope not, but I think it’s definitely a possibility.


Funny - as a Gretzky loyalist, I totally hope Ovi is juicing. confused2



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Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 18:08


I hope not, but I think it’s definitely a possibility.


Funny - as a Gretzky loyalist, I totally hope Ovi is juicing. confused2

we all saw the heights that known steroid abuser Shawn Horcoff achieved. Who is to say he was the only hockey player out there looking for an edge.



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:44

Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 18:08


I hope not, but I think it’s definitely a possibility.


Funny - as a Gretzky loyalist, I totally hope Ovi is juicing. confused2


Oh yeah, Ovie has the juice flowing, guaranteed. Like why wouldn't he, not like he'd ever get caught.
He came pretty close though.. years ago (2010) he was linked to a PEDS peddling chiropractor who got nailed as part of a larger Florida investigation, the guy was treating some Capitals players, and even had his office next to the Capitols practice facility, if you can believe it.

Police investigators even interviewed Capitols coaches, and players.

It was a major Sports Illustrated story at the time.

There were bigger fish to pursue than pro hockey players in a US market, likely why nobody on the Capitols were charged.

Personally I'd be extremely surprised if Ovie wasn't/isn't crankin' his brains out. Its notable that after the much publicized PEDS investigation in the spring of 2010, his scoring and points totals quite suddenly drop for a few years, from 50G and 109pts in 2009/2010, down to 32G and 85pts in 2010/2011.. and even lower to 38G and 65 pts in 2011/2012

Next year 2012/2013 is the lock out.. and he's back to Russia.. pharmaceutical freedom.. and no PEDS testing (not that the NHL actually does any)

He comes back in 2013/2014 and starts reeling off 50 goal seasons again... and still doing it at the ripe old age of 36.

No smoking gun, but I suspect he kept a lid on the PEDS for a couple years, due to the publicity, but wasn't getting the results he was used to, and while back in Russia took the opportunity to get back on the PEDS train. He's too much of a high profile NHL icon now for anyone at the NHL head office to even try and catch him through testing, can you imagine the damage to the NHL "brand"? Gary would crap his short little pants.

Same with NFL, MLB, NBA.. nobody ever gets caught.. well not any high profile superstars..

All Gretz needed was a better "trainer" he'd have played another 5 years and had 4,000 points! :)

Hockey News Story is HERE;
https://thehockeynews.com/news/capitals-say-police-investiga tion-of-steroids-supplier-wont-be-a-distraction

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A statement from NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said a ''thorough investigation'' was conducted by the league and there was no evidence that Nagel ever supplied performance-enhancing drugs to any player.

However, Sports Illustrated, quoting an email obtained from police, said NHL security chief Dennis Cunningham admitted that, contrary to Daly's statement, no league investigation was ever made.

The report also called into question the NHL's anti-doping program, which has testing during the regular season, but none in the playoffs or the off-season. It said eight of the 10 shipments from Thomas to Nagel were made during the playoffs and another just after the end of the 2008-09 season.


More links..
https://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=5022189
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Douglas O. Nagel, 50, of Reston, was arrested Tuesday morning in Virginia and charged by Florida authorities with seven counts of soliciting to deliver a controlled substance, specifically steroids.

The Polk County (Fla.) Sheriff's Office alleges that Nagel received regular shipments of steroids, including testosterone and nandrolone, from Richard Andrew Thomas of Lakeland, Fla. Thomas has since pleaded guilty in federal court to possessing steroids with intent to sell. He awaits sentencing.

[/COLOR]According to an affidavit, Thomas told police that Nagel boasted about supplying steroids to members of the Capitals and Major League Baseball's Washington Nationals.[COLOR=blue]


George knows...
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-has-performance-enh ancing-drug-problem-laraque-1.1088453

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Georges Laraque says he knew a lot of players, including some of the league's top performers, who used steroids while he was in the league.

"I have to say here that tough guys weren't the only players using steroids in the NHL," Laraque wrote in "The Story of the NHL's Unlikeliest Tough Guy," published by Viking Canada.

"It was true that quite a lot of them did use this drug, but other, more talented players did too. Most of us knew who they were, but not a single player, not even me, would ever think of raising his hand to break the silence and accuse a fellow player."

Laraque, who is now a deputy leader of the federal Green Party, doesn't accuse any players by name in the book either.

But he does offer some hints for what to look for.

"First, you just have to notice how some talented players will experience an efficiency loss as well as a weight loss every four years, those years being the ones the Winter Olympics are held," he wrote.

"In the following season they make a strong comeback; they manage a mysterious return to form.
"



(or.. after a couple years you've been investigated for PEDs use.. lol)


I can't count how many times I've heard a NHL pundit, or announcer describe Ovie in terms of.. ".. he never seems to age!" .. ".. he has the same strength and energy as he did when first came into the league! ..".. ".. an ageless wonder!" .. yep one has to wonder..


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Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:42

Mike wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:27

As amazing as McDavid and Draisaitl’s starts are, 36 year old Alex Ovechkin is right there with them. Honestly that’s at least as impressive. 2 more goals tonight with a period and a half to go. 17 goals in 20.5 GP. These, along with 97 and 29, are 80s numbers.


Question - does anyone think Ovechkin might be on performance enhancers of some sort?

You mean the ones Peyton Manning’s wife was on? Could be. If his neck disappears or his head grows three helmet sizes then we’ll know.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:42

Mike wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 16:27

As amazing as McDavid and Draisaitl’s starts are, 36 year old Alex Ovechkin is right there with them. Honestly that’s at least as impressive. 2 more goals tonight with a period and a half to go. 17 goals in 20.5 GP. These, along with 97 and 29, are 80s numbers.


Question - does anyone think Ovechkin might be on performance enhancers of some sort?


If they're coming this easy, not sure OV even needs to work out anymore

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Mike wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 06:17

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 00:05

Mike wrote on Sun, 21 November 2021 20:01

Another shutout for the Flames tonight. Against Boston. What the hell is going on???

Good goaltending?


I dunno - 7 shutouts in 19 games is certainly good goaltending, but it has to be more than that too doesn't it? Don't think prime Hasek and Roy ever had such a stretch. confused2


Goose already listed other reasons, but latest update:

5v5 Corsi% Flames are 5th (we are 16th)
Shots for%, Flames are 3rd (we are 23rd)
expected goals % Flames are 7th (we are 14th)
High danger chances, Lames are 9th (we are 25th)
Real 5v5 goals for %, Lames are 1st (we are 18th)


Flames are winning also because of good even strength play. There is also some luck there, the save % is definitely insane. Lames have the highest PDO 5v5 right now.

In comparison, we make up for our 5v5 play with godly special teams.

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Mike wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 05:17

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 22 November 2021 00:05

Mike wrote on Sun, 21 November 2021 20:01

Another shutout for the Flames tonight. Against Boston. What the hell is going on???

Good goaltending?


I dunno - 7 shutouts in 19 games is certainly good goaltending, but it has to be more than that too doesn't it? Don't think prime Hasek and Roy ever had such a stretch. confused2


I don't think this invalidates your point at all, but this made me curious so I took a quick look at Hasek and Roy's best seasons in terms of shutouts.

Hasek actually did exactly this in 97/98 and recorded 7 shutouts in 19 games from Nov. 20 - Dec. 31. He also recorded 6 shoutout in 15 games from Mar. 1 - 29 that year. The guy was just ridiculous.

Roy only ever recorded 9 shutouts in a season, but he did record 7 of those in a 25 game span in 01/02, including 4 in 5 games, capped off by shutting out the Oilers on Nov. 24th in a game where the Oilers recorded a whopping 11 shots in the entire game (a quick google search told me that the record for a shutout with the fewest shots is 10, so good job Oilers for not breaking that record). And funnily the one game where Roy didn't pitch a shutout in that stretch, he allowed 5 goals on just 18 shots before being yanked. Goaltending is weird.

I also looked at Brodeur's 12 shutout season, but they seemed to be pretty evenly spread through the year.



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Never heard such a crazy stat in my life

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14626448258999500 86?s=21



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Matt Murray was healthy scratched (3rd goalie) tonight, and Elliotte Friedman says he may be on waivers tomorrow morning.


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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 26 November 2021 21:06

Matt Murray was healthy scratched (3rd goalie) tonight, and Elliotte Friedman says he may be on waivers tomorrow morning.

I would at the very least consider it.



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$6,250,000 for each of the next 2 years, and a no trade, no movement clause.Who are you going to trade/waive to get him? Would Ottawa or anybody take Kassian?

























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In a battle of two of the most despicable families in hockey history, little Tkachuk gets his hand bit by Claude's son Branden Lemieux.

High level douche on douche violence.



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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:29

In a battle of two of the most despicable families in hockey history, little Tkachuk gets his hand bit by Claude's son Branden Lemieux.

High level douche on douche violence.


Never could have possibly foreseen Claude Lemiuex's son would do something dirty like bite a player.

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:06

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:29

In a battle of two of the most despicable families in hockey history, little Tkachuk gets his hand bit by Claude's son Branden Lemieux.

High level douche on douche violence.


Never could have possibly foreseen Claude Lemiuex's son would do something dirty like bite a player.

-No one



genetic.. still remember that gutless play where Claude ran Drapers face from behind into the edge of the glass along the bench, Draper's face exploded, lost all his teeth. Claude got his.

This one with the kid, Takchuk kept putting his hand into Lemoo's mouth so not surprised.. he'll get 5 games for a bite, and there are guys crippling players with slew foots, knee and head shots.. and they get a fine or 1 game, NHL DPS at work.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 21:50

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:06

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:29

In a battle of two of the most despicable families in hockey history, little Tkachuk gets his hand bit by Claude's son Branden Lemieux.

High level douche on douche violence.


Never could have possibly foreseen Claude Lemiuex's son would do something dirty like bite a player.

-No one



genetic.. still remember that gutless play where Claude ran Drapers face from behind into the edge of the glass along the bench, Draper's face exploded, lost all his teeth. Claude got his.

This one with the kid, Takchuk kept putting his hand into Lemoo's mouth so not surprised.. he'll get 5 games for a bite, and there are guys crippling players with slew foots, knee and head shots.. and they get a fine or 1 game, NHL DPS at work.


Yeah, I think if you're jamming your hand in someone's mouth, you're probably asking for it to some extent, and certainly Tkachuk was pretty happy to play it up after he got chomped. Not to excuse Lemieux, biting really shouldn't be part of the game, but both guys are kind of dirtbags and both were actively acting like dirtbags when this happened.

The quotes from Tkachuk after the game got a bit unhinged too...



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Adam wrote on Sun, 28 November 2021 11:56

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 21:50

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:06

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 November 2021 20:29

In a battle of two of the most despicable families in hockey history, little Tkachuk gets his hand bit by Claude's son Branden Lemieux.

High level douche on douche violence.


Never could have possibly foreseen Claude Lemiuex's son would do something dirty like bite a player.

-No one



genetic.. still remember that gutless play where Claude ran Drapers face from behind into the edge of the glass along the bench, Draper's face exploded, lost all his teeth. Claude got his.

This one with the kid, Takchuk kept putting his hand into Lemoo's mouth so not surprised.. he'll get 5 games for a bite, and there are guys crippling players with slew foots, knee and head shots.. and they get a fine or 1 game, NHL DPS at work.


Yeah, I think if you're jamming your hand in someone's mouth, you're probably asking for it to some extent, and certainly Tkachuk was pretty happy to play it up after he got chomped. Not to excuse Lemieux, biting really shouldn't be part of the game, but both guys are kind of dirtbags and both were actively acting like dirtbags when this happened.

The quotes from Tkachuk after the game got a bit unhinged too...



Yeah the comments were more than required, he played it up big time, on the ice, and after the game, it wasn't like he got slew footed (like his older brother likes to do), or cross checked from behind into a goal post (McDavid), or his knee blown up... expect DPS will give out a large suspension that does not correlate with the degree of injury other more dangerous infractions have received from DPS.

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Adam wrote on Sun, 28 November 2021 12:56

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In a battle of two of the most despicable families in hockey history, little Tkachuk gets his hand bit by Claude's son Branden Lemieux.

High level douche on douche violence.


Never could have possibly foreseen Claude Lemiuex's son would do something dirty like bite a player.

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genetic.. still remember that gutless play where Claude ran Drapers face from behind into the edge of the glass along the bench, Draper's face exploded, lost all his teeth. Claude got his.

This one with the kid, Takchuk kept putting his hand into Lemoo's mouth so not surprised.. he'll get 5 games for a bite, and there are guys crippling players with slew foots, knee and head shots.. and they get a fine or 1 game, NHL DPS at work.


Yeah, I think if you're jamming your hand in someone's mouth, you're probably asking for it to some extent, and certainly Tkachuk was pretty happy to play it up after he got chomped. Not to excuse Lemieux, biting really shouldn't be part of the game, but both guys are kind of dirtbags and both were actively acting like dirtbags when this happened.

The quotes from Tkachuk after the game got a bit unhinged too...



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Watching Flames vs Jets and Lucic is still easy too hate. I don’t know if this is a compliment or an insult.


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Watching Flames vs Jets and Lucic is still easy too hate. I don’t know if this is a compliment or an insult.


Nice "direct into the numbers from a mile away" hit to try to tank the game for his team. 5 min major, tossed from the game.



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I know it's nice to have a GM that is bilingual for the Habs but could you not just hire an interpreter if the best guys can't speak French? I assume the fan bases #1 desire is to win so if you only hire French speaking GM's and coaches, you are limiting your options quite a bit.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 10:59

I know it's nice to have a GM that is bilingual for the Habs but could you not just hire an interpreter if the best guys can't speak French? I assume the fan bases #1 desire is to win so if you only hire French speaking GM's and coaches, you are limiting your options quite a bit.


What if your starting point is believing that french speaking people are automatically better at everything? Then I guess the french speaking requirement is automatically making you pick from the best pool of people :)



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 14:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 10:59

I know it's nice to have a GM that is bilingual for the Habs but could you not just hire an interpreter if the best guys can't speak French? I assume the fan bases #1 desire is to win so if you only hire French speaking GM's and coaches, you are limiting your options quite a bit.


What if your starting point is believing that french speaking people are automatically better at everything? Then I guess the french speaking requirement is automatically making you pick from the best pool of people :)



As a Francophone, I think it's stupid that they limit their pool to that. Get the best person for the job. The person most likely to bring a Cup back to Montreal. And most fans of the team would likely agree (I think) - but there are some militant language crusaders that would simply not let it go, most likely not even fans of the team. WE have some here in NB, but a lot fewer and farther between.



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This should apply to players too... If they go further into the 'french requirement' I think they may contend with the leafs for Stanley Cup drought.


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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 11:26

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I know it's nice to have a GM that is bilingual for the Habs but could you not just hire an interpreter if the best guys can't speak French? I assume the fan bases #1 desire is to win so if you only hire French speaking GM's and coaches, you are limiting your options quite a bit.


What if your starting point is believing that french speaking people are automatically better at everything? Then I guess the french speaking requirement is automatically making you pick from the best pool of people :)



As a Francophone, I think it's stupid that they limit their pool to that. Get the best person for the job. The person most likely to bring a Cup back to Montreal. And most fans of the team would likely agree (I think) - but there are some militant language crusaders that would simply not let it go, most likely not even fans of the team. WE have some here in NB, but a lot fewer and farther between.


It's surprising they would continue to make it a requirement given how insanely demanding the organization is to win there. As an English speaking Oilers fan, if the best GM, coach or whatever available didn't speak a lick of English but the team won all the time but during a presser they have to have an interpreter. WHO CARES if they win.



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Hey now, this is Alberta... can you imagine the redneck outrage if we hired a french GM?


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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 13:02

Hey now, this is Alberta... can you imagine the redneck outrage if we hired a french GM?

There will be a few but that would go away real quick if they won. I don't doubt there are some French speaking Habs fans that will be bent out of shape if the GM/coach isn't French but what's better, hiring a French guy and keep losing or god forbid there is an interpreter at a press conference relaying the message about how good your team is.



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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 13:02

Hey now, this is Alberta... can you imagine the redneck outrage if we hired a french GM?

Oilers and Flames have both had longstanding GMs who were born in Montreal, and they didn't get run out of town.

Now, both didn't have french names or french accents, but both were bilingual. I think as long as the guy won, everybody would be fine.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 11:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 14:20

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I know it's nice to have a GM that is bilingual for the Habs but could you not just hire an interpreter if the best guys can't speak French? I assume the fan bases #1 desire is to win so if you only hire French speaking GM's and coaches, you are limiting your options quite a bit.


What if your starting point is believing that french speaking people are automatically better at everything? Then I guess the french speaking requirement is automatically making you pick from the best pool of people :)



As a Francophone, I think it's stupid that they limit their pool to that. Get the best person for the job. The person most likely to bring a Cup back to Montreal. And most fans of the team would likely agree (I think) - but there are some militant language crusaders that would simply not let it go, most likely not even fans of the team. WE have some here in NB, but a lot fewer and farther between.



My attempt at joking aside :) I think the last time Montreal had the gall to hire a non-french speaking person for a job it was more the government (and in turn the media) that was outraged wasn't it? Fans less so. I agree I think the vast majority of Habs fans just want to see winning.

I think it would be as bad if not worse right now. Legault is all in on the Quebec is best at everything line of thinking. He even is funding a program to try to ensure Quebec has more NHL players, somehow, I guess maybe tossing lots of money at youth hockey programs. Think that was triggered by the lack of Quebec born Canadiens players (although Bergevin did put effort to get that number up lately with Pacquett, Perrault and Savard. Boom! 150% increase just like that!). I think Montreal would be hearing from Legault very quickly if there was even a hint they would look outside the french speaking talent pool.

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It will be interesting to see what Lemieux gets for a suspension relative to what a repeat slew-foot douche-bag gets in Marchand.

History of biting in the NHL..
https://scoutingtherefs.com/2021/11/32642/man-bites-man-a-hi story-of-biting-in-the-nhl/

Interesting list of perpetrators .. not many suspensions.. man there was some real old fashioned hatred going on back then! icon_nod

Common theme appears to be.. don't put your hand or fingers into other peoples mouths.



October 16, 1984 – Ken Linseman
Boston Bruins defenseman Ken Linseman chomped down on the face of Edmonton’s Lee Fogolin. The two – former teammates the prior season – combined for 29 penalty minutes in the game. The actual bite didn’t appear to be caught among them. From the New York Times:

Fogolin, who had to get a precautionary tetanus shot after Linseman left his teeth marks in the defenseman’s cheek, imposed a penalty of his own. Later in the same game he broke Linseman’s nose with a crisp punch. No action was taken against Fogolin.


May 22, 1986 – Claude Lemieux
A melee broke out after the Montreal Canadiens claimed a 1-0 victory over the Calgary Flames in Game 4 of the Stanley Cup Final. During the post-whistle brawl, referee Andy van Hellemond handed out 122 minutes in penalties. Of course, those were mostly ceremonial, as the game had already concluded, and none would carry over into Game 5. The NHL stepped in and levied a total of $42,000 in fines, including penalties to the teams, coaches, and all players involved. They opted not to suspend anyone for their actions. That included Canadiens forward Claude Lemieux, who bit down on the finger of Calgary’s Jim Peplinski.

“I don’t know if I bit Peplinski or not,” Lemieux said. “But I think I broke a tooth. When you’re fighting, anything can happen. It might have been a stick I bit.”

Peplinski showed his bloody finger to referee Denis Morel, offering some evidence for a penalty call.

“I didn’t know they allowed cannibalism in the NHL,” said Peplinski, who later received a tetanus shot.


December 17, 1989 – Chris Chelios
While the act wasn’t seen – nor penalized – Montreal Canadiens defenseman Chris Chelios admitted to biting New York Rangers forward Tomas Sandstrom, in an incident he recalled as being from 1984.

“We were in a fight and he tried to gouge my eyes. It was just a natural instinct to [bite his finger]. Plus the fact it was him. He was probably one of the most hated guys playing back then. Broke skin, blood, the whole works.”

February 27, 1990 – Dave Manson [SUSPENDED]
Blackhawks defenseman Dave Manson was suspended three games for biting Capitals’ blueliner Scott Stevens. Manson justified the bite as a reaction to an eye-gouge from his opponent. Referee Rob Shick hit both players with match penalties for intent to injure.


February 9, 1995 – Tim Hunter
The Vancouver Canucks and Winnipeg Jets combined for 248 penalty minutes, a total that included eleven fights. One of those scraps featured Winnipeg’s Tie Domi facing off against Vancouver’s Tim Hunter. Domi gave Hunter a gloved face rub, with the Canucks tough guy reportedly chomping one of Domi's’s fingers. Referee Don Van Massenhoven and linesmen Shane Heyer and Brad Lazarowich had their hands full with this one… but it was Hunter that had his mouth full of Domi’s finger.


November 20, 1997 – Eric Lindros
It took video review to clear Philadelphia Flyers forward Eric Lindros from biting allegations against San Jose Sharks defenseman Marty McSorley.

“I didn’t bite Marty,” said Lindros. “What’s been talked about is just inaccurate reporting. It’s unfortunate. The bottom line is it didn’t occur.”

McSorley agreed; there was no bite. There was, however, a high stick from Lindros that caught him right in the face.

“I don’t want anyone to be suspended for something they didn’t do,” said McSorley. “He didn’t bite me — whether he tried, I can’t answer that. The only problem I have is he whacked me across the face with his stick. He’s a tough kid. . . . he doesn’t need to do that.”

This wasn’t the McSorley family’s first run-in with a hockey-related biting incident. In March of 1985, Marty’s brother Chris bit off the tip of Marc Magnan’s nose during an International Hockey League game... It was McSorley’s second suspension of the season for biting. <HOLY CRAP!>


September 20, 2000 – Dave Manson (again)
Detroit Red Wings forward Martin Lapointe claimed Chicago’s Dave Manson bit him during a preseason game. Replays were unable to confirm whether or not a bite actually happened on the play. Lapointe reportedly got a tetanus shot just in case.


November 27, 2003 – Marc Savard [SUSPENDED]
Atlanta Thrashers center Marc Savard is suspended one game for biting the gloved finger of Toronto Maple Leafs forward Darcy Tucker.

“He was shoving his finger in my mouth. The guy was mauling me so I couldn’t breathe. I didn’t know how to get out of a mouth hold!”

Referees Dan O’Rourke and Kelly Sutherland tossed Savard, giving him a match penalty for intent to injure.

“Things like that happen in a game, I guess,” Tucker said. “I looked at the ref and he said he didn’t see it, but the linesman called it.”
Linesmen for the game were David Brisebois and Mark Shewchyk.


January 29, 2004 – Jordin Tootoo
Columbus Blue Jackets forward Tyler Wright accused Nashville Predators tough guy Jordin Tootoo of biting his finger during a scuffle. Wright showed off bite marks on the tip of his right pinky.

“There was a scrum and he was giving me a face-wash,” Tootoo said. “It all happened so fast. I’m pretty positive I didn’t [bite him], but what am I supposed to do when he has a hand in my face?”


January 5, 2008 – Derian Hatcher
There was no disputing that Derian Hatcher’s tooth caused an injury to New Jersey Devils forward Travis Zajac, but the defenseman – then with the Philadelphia Flyers – claimed that it wasn’t from a bite.

“My finger was in his mouth,” Zajac said. “There was a scrum in front and I guess my hand got close to his mouth and he bit me.”

Hatcher claimed that Zajac’s glove caught on one of his teeth while the Devils center was giving him a facewash. “If he’s cut, good,” said Hatcher. “But I didn’t bite him.”

Zajac received stitches to his hand, but no penalty nor suspension were handed out.


January 6, 2009 – Jarkko Ruutu [SUSPENDED]
Buffalo Sabres winger Andrew Peters and Ottawa’s Jarkko Ruutu were shoving each other near the benches. Peters gave the Senators forward a gloved facewash; Ruutu responded by chomping down on Peters’ thumb, yanking his glove off in the process.

Ruutu denied that he bit Peters. [B]“His fingers were in my mouth, but I didn’t bite him,”[B] said Ruutu.

“It’s evident on video what he did and I have all the confidence in the league to make the right decision,” Peters said.

The only penalty on the play was an unsportsmanlike conduct call on Peters. Player Safety would setp in an levy a two-game ban on Ruutu after reviewing the play.

“Obviously, I’m happy about it and glad the NHL took notice,” Peters said. “It’s not really the thumb that’s the issue, it’s the incident that took place. It’s weird to even think that that goes on in hockey. Even in my role, I would never think of doing something like that.”

“It goes too far for any player. It doesn’t matter who you are, it’s not part of hockey,” he said. “I just hope kids don’t think that’s acceptable. It’s not acceptable at any level.”



April 26, 2009 – Shaone Morrisonn
Game 6 of the 2009 Stanley Cup Playoff series between the Washington Capitals and New York Rangers saw 42 total penalty minutes issued by referees Bill McCreary and Brad Meier. Brandon Dubinsky picked up 14 of those, but was the victim of an alleged uncalled bite at the hands — or, teeth, rather — of Caps defenseman Shaone Morrissonn. The New York Rangers forward claimed Morrissonn bit him on the arm; he later received a tetanus shot, making his status questionable for Game 7.

“Shaone doesn’t know what the heck they are talking about — and I don’t either,” said Capitals head coach Bruce Boudreau. “I looked at it from every angle and I don’t either. To me it’s a moot point and let’s move on. I did come up and [asked him] and he steadfastly denied anything. He was angry was more of the emotion he had, like, ‘What are you talking about?’ type attitude. I said, ‘I was just asking.’”


October 8, 2009 – Scott Hartnell
After a collision with Penguins goaltender Marc-Andre Fleury, Philadelphia Flyers winger Scott Hartnell got into it with Penguins defenseman Kris Letang. After the two fell to the ice and separated, Letang raced off the ice, holding his hand and yelling to the ref, “He bit me!”

Letang did not come out and accuse Hartnell of biting in his post-game comments, charging reporters to ‘ask him what he did.’


“A lot of stuff happens on the bottom of the pile,” Hartnell said, in his defense. “He had his hands in my face, doing the face wash, and we were rolling around. I can’t say what happened.”

The NHL held a hearing and ultimately decided not to suspend Hartnell for the incident, reportedly due to a lack of proof.


January 24, 2010 – Matt Cooke
Philadelphia Flyers forward Arron Asham claimed that Penguins tough guy Matt Cooke bit him during a scrum.

“There was a scrum, I grabbed him,” Asham said. “My glove got tangled in [Cooke’s] mouth and he bit me, so I lost it.

“It’s not bad, but he’s a gutless guy. I have no respect for him at all. I lined up against him and asked him to fight and he didn’t want to. If you go and bite someone — I just have no use for him… Usually, if you bite somebody you stick up for yourself and you fight the guy. Not this guy, he’s chicken and I have no respect for him.


Cooke denied the bite; no penalty nor supplemental discipline took place.



May 3, 2010 – Marc Savard (again)
Marc Savard, now with the Boston Bruins, again found himself in the middle of some dental drama, this time accused of biting Philadelphia’s Daniel Carcillo. The Boston center claimed Carcillo was the aggressor, jamming his fingers into Savard’s mouth.

“He pulled on my teeth, so I guess that’s biting when a guy tries to pull your front teeth out like his,” said Savard. “I don’t see how that (is biting).”

Carcillo called the bite ‘cowardly’.

“The last time I was bit was in grade school,” said Carcillo. “It’s not a good feeling… He bit me, and the ref didn’t see. Guys don’t bite, men don’t bite.”



April 24, 2011 – Brooks Laich
New York Rangers forward Sean Avery claimed he was bitten by Washington Capitals winger Brooks Laich during Game 5 of their playoff series.

“[Avery’s] fingers were in my mouth, and I remember thinking about that, that I’m not [going to be] stupid about biting a player. He was trying to eye gouge me, he was sticking his fingers in my mouth,” said Laich. “That play happened to me where somebody bit me and I thought it was a low, disrespectful, gutless play, and I’m not gonna do that.”

Avery complained to referees Stephen Walkom and Ian Walsh, but they didn’t bite. No penalty.


June 1, 2011 – Alex Burrows
Vancouver Canucks forward Alexandre Burrows objected to a glove in his face from Boston’s Patrice Bergeron, appearing to clearly bite down on the Bruins center’s right hand. No penalty was called on the play.

“I don’t mind rough play and scrums at the end, as long as it’s just pushing and shoving and all that,” Bergeron said after the game. “But biting? I mean come on.”

After league review, the NHL reportedly found the evidence inconclusive and did not fine or suspend Burrows.

“After reviewing the incident, including speaking with the on-ice officials, I can find no conclusive evidence that Alex Burrows intentionally bit the finger of Patrice Bergeron,” NHL’s senior vice-president of hockey operations Mike Murphy said in a release.


January 31, 2013 – Derek Dorsett
St. Louis Blues forward Chris Stewart claimed that Columbus Blue Jackets tough guy Derek Dorsett bit him on the back of his hand during a fight.

“Yeah, he bit me,” Stewart told The St. Louis Post-Dispatch. “Want to see the teeth marks?”

Presumably, everyone wanted to. No word on whether that request was fulfilled.


February 9, 2013 – Mikhail Grabovski
Montreal Canadiens winger Max Pacioretty fell victim to an alleged dental assault from Toronto Maple Leafs forward Mikhail Grabovski. Pacioretty grabbed Grabovski from behind, covering the Leafs forward’s face with his glove during a scrum. Moments later, Pacioretty pulled away and rushed toward the officials, claimed he’d been bitten.

Both players received ten-minute misconducts, with an extra two minutes to Grabovski for roughing.

“I saw the bite. It’s clear on the video,” said Canadiens head coach Michel Therrien. “I’m sure that the league will pay attention to that.”

Despite that, the league found insufficient evidence to levy any additional penalties to the Toronto forward.


June 3, 2015 – Andrew Shaw
Lightning defenseman Victor Hedman appeared to indicate that Chicago Blackhawks forward Andrew Shaw bit him on the torso during a scrum in Game 1 of the Stanley Cup Final.

“Things happen during games,” Hedman said. “I’ll leave it at that.”

Shaw also refused to discuss the incident.

“I mean it’s a hockey game. He’s one of the best players and he’s a highly skilled, big, strong defenseman with a lot of speed and he went after one of our better players.”


NHL Player Safety reviewed the incident, determining that no suspension was warranted.

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Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Dang. Maybe his injury was perfectly timed. He gets to sit on his 1.5 PPG stat line this season :)

I guess when you have trouble keeping top talent there must be a little desperation to keep what you have. Nico got a huge payday as well from the Devils. Well done by Hughes' agent.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Dang. Maybe his injury was perfectly timed. He gets to sit on his 1.5 PPG stat line this season :)

I guess when you have trouble keeping top talent there must be a little desperation to keep what you have. Nico got a huge payday as well from the Devils. Well done by Hughes' agent.

I would have thought waiting a bit longer to see how he does would be a better option. I don't think that price point changes much if you waited until the end of the year.

They have a lot of money tied up in 2 centers who in my opinion are just so so. Hughes is young so maybe there is more to give but I do wonder if his size will hold him back a little given the position he plays.



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