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If Calgary does lose Giordano, then what a blow to Milan Lucic who was so happy to find a team with an older captain...


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I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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Interesting



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:35

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.



Interesting


Servalli needs something to tweet about tomorrow morning before the Kraken release the trades.



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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:41

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:35

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:31

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.



Interesting


Servalli needs something to tweet about tomorrow morning before the Kraken release the trades.


Dude was on absolute fire today. Wonder if it make the nhl angry.



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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:31

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.



Might explain why some guys were picked over others, like;

NYI; Eberle over Bailey?
Buf; William Borgen? no offence D-man, 4th rounder, AHL'er
Phi; Carsen Twaryenski?
Chi; John Quenneville over Zadorov?
SJ: Alexander True? (This guy was playing in CIS at UBC recently, and not outstandingly either)
CBJ; Gavin Bayreuther (career AHL'er)
Det; Dennis Cholowski, over Troy Stecher?
LA; Kurtis MacDermid, (career AHL'er over Brendan Lemieux?)

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 22:11

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:31

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.



Might explain why some guys were picked over others, like;

NYI; Eberle over Bailey?
Buf; William Borgen? no offence D-man, 4th rounder, AHL'er
Phi; Carsen Twaryenski?
Chi; John Quenneville over Zadorov?
SJ: Alexander True? (This guy was playing in CIS at UBC recently, and not outstandingly either)
CBJ; Gavin Bayreuther (career AHL'er)
Det; Dennis Cholowski, over Troy Stecher?
LA; Kurtis MacDermid, (career AHL'er over Brendan Lemieux?)

List goe son..





Maybe Francis is more serious about building through the draft than the Knights were...



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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 22:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 22:11

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:31

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.



Might explain why some guys were picked over others, like;

NYI; Eberle over Bailey?
Buf; William Borgen? no offence D-man, 4th rounder, AHL'er
Phi; Carsen Twaryenski?
Chi; John Quenneville over Zadorov?
SJ: Alexander True? (This guy was playing in CIS at UBC recently, and not outstandingly either)
CBJ; Gavin Bayreuther (career AHL'er)
Det; Dennis Cholowski, over Troy Stecher?
LA; Kurtis MacDermid, (career AHL'er over Brendan Lemieux?)

List goe son..





Maybe Francis is more serious about building through the draft than the Knights were...



But they are going to offer sheet a player for sure and fix it all, according to one poster here.
How many picks, Oscar?




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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 21:11

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:31

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:22

I find it a bit odd watching this that no trades happened, is that something that will come to light tomorrow?



Quote:

Gord Miller
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For those wondering, Seattle’s side deals for the expansion draft—and there are apparently several—will be announced tomorrow after 1pm et when the NHL’s trade/signing freeze comes off.



Might explain why some guys were picked over others, like;

NYI; Eberle over Bailey?
Buf; William Borgen? no offence D-man, 4th rounder, AHL'er
Phi; Carsen Twaryenski?
Chi; John Quenneville over Zadorov?
SJ: Alexander True? (This guy was playing in CIS at UBC recently, and not outstandingly either)
CBJ; Gavin Bayreuther (career AHL'er)
Det; Dennis Cholowski, over Troy Stecher?
LA; Kurtis MacDermid, (career AHL'er over Brendan Lemieux?)

List goe son..


I've been comparing their picks against who was available per team... and atleast half of the teams had better established players available. So the Kraken have a ton of cap space... and I have no idea what they are planning on doing with it.

Get some good players from other teams by taking cap problems off their hands while they do it?



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nullterm wrote on Thu, 22 July 2021 00:58

I've been comparing their picks against who was available per team... and atleast half of the teams had better established players available. So the Kraken have a ton of cap space... and I have no idea what they are planning on doing with it.

Get some good players from other teams by taking cap problems off their hands while they do it?

Yeah, at first I was just looking at the top players on their pick list, after you start looking at some of the others, names you've never heard before, and who they passed on, it becomes a little mysterious, maybe they are going to go balls out on UFA's?



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Not one trade... little bizarre, no?

Maaaan that d corps in Seattle.

Not sold on their goalies, and they’ll have some punch offensively but I the D will carry them if they go anywhere.



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Goalies stand out? Who the frick is going to score?
Gotta be a pile of trades coming one would think. If not, that’s going to be some fugly hockey to watch.



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Slim Jim Phantom Call wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:09

Goalies stand out? Who the frick is going to score?
Gotta be a pile of trades coming one would think. If not, that’s going to be some fugly hockey to watch.


Offer sheet to Petterson

Trade a D or two for forwards.

I think they’ll be just fine



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:17

Slim Jim Phantom Call wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:09

Goalies stand out? Who the frick is going to score?
Gotta be a pile of trades coming one would think. If not, that’s going to be some fugly hockey to watch.


Offer sheet to Petterson

Trade a D or two for forwards.

I think they’ll be just fine

A 1st year expansion team giving away picks on an offer sheet?
Oooookay then.

Seattle is going to resemble Minnesota more than Vegas.



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So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I would have taken Price too. Not only because it helps you be competitive off the bat (I'm not as sold on Seattle's goalies as many are, I think the goalies they got have been propped up by good teams and great coaching in their careers so far), but also as a potential trading chip if you want. Price no doubt would support a move to a contender if things are not going great in Seattle. You could retain some of his salary and get a great return sending him to a team with a solid roster desperate for a goalie.

The injury FUD around Price after Montreal exposed him was so transparent too. I almost would have taken him just because of that embarrassing stuff :)



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:41

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:42

welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:41

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.


Yeah - you have a few days to chat with a UFA ahead of the expansion draft. If he wants to join your team, you could theoretically agree in concept on a deal and then put it in a drawer for a week. You could even ask him who he thought you should take from the remaining options - since he'd know the bulk of them.

I wonder if Seattle isn't just more dedicated to sucking than Vegas was. The Golden Knights screwed that up and just embraced the fact they weren't that bad. Seattle seems more committed.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 15:02

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So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.


Yeah - you have a few days to chat with a UFA ahead of the expansion draft. If he wants to join your team, you could theoretically agree in concept on a deal and then put it in a drawer for a week. You could even ask him who he thought you should take from the remaining options - since he'd know the bulk of them.

I wonder if Seattle isn't just more dedicated to sucking than Vegas was. The Golden Knights screwed that up and just embraced the fact they weren't that bad. Seattle seems more committed.

Good point on Vegas. If you look at their team, they aren't a young team. All their best guys are pushing 30 or over 30 so their window is going to close soon and they don't have much in the way of prospects. How good would Suzuki look at the moment for them as an example.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:42

welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:41

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.


That's possible I guess, but still highly unlikely. Larsson didn't sign with Seattle because he was unhappy with the Oilers (quite the opposite) or because of money. He seems to be a good, honest guy and I don't see him doing that to a team that treated him pretty well.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 15:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:42

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.


That's possible I guess, but still highly unlikely. Larsson didn't sign with Seattle because he was unhappy with the Oilers (quite the opposite) or because of money. He seems to be a good, honest guy and I don't see him doing that to a team that treated him pretty well.


Not sure if you saw the article written by Spector last week but Larsson said he loved the team, the City, said management was great. Said they offered him a great contract. It 100% came down to he lost his 50 yr old dad to a suddenly fatal heart attack when he came to visit Larsson in Edmonton and he just wanted to get out of Edmonton to try to put it behind him.

Sounds like if his dad had of died in any other City, he probably would be an Oiler right now but too many things reminded him of his dad in Edmonton and he wanted to leave.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 16:04

welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 15:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:42

welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:41

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.


That's possible I guess, but still highly unlikely. Larsson didn't sign with Seattle because he was unhappy with the Oilers (quite the opposite) or because of money. He seems to be a good, honest guy and I don't see him doing that to a team that treated him pretty well.


Not sure if you saw the article written by Spector last week but Larsson said he loved the team, the City, said management was great. Said they offered him a great contract. It 100% came down to he lost his 50 yr old dad to a suddenly fatal heart attack when he came to visit Larsson in Edmonton and he just wanted to get out of Edmonton to try to put it behind him.

Sounds like if his dad had of died in any other City, he probably would be an Oiler right now but too many things reminded him of his dad in Edmonton and he wanted to leave.


The point is Seattle could have taken another player and probably still gotten Larsson as a FA considering all the stuff we know about Larsson's hard time with Edmonton is true. It is nice they didn't do that to the Oilers, but a strange decision for a team trying to build a functioning hockey club out of nothing.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 16:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 16:04

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 14:42

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 04 October 2021 13:37

So the Kraken waived the Twarynski guy they took from Philly over Ghost, Voracek and JVR. Gotta say I still don't understand the choice there.

There whole draft was puzzling. The go out and sign early both Larsson and Oleksiak. They are the same age and to me, they are similar dmen in that they are big, physical, defensive dmen. So to have 1 is great, do you need both? I don't really think so. Then they go out and sign Driedger who everyone was hot and heavy despite he barely played and gave him a pretty decent contract. So you think he will be their guy then they sign Grubauer. Then some of their selections. I get passing on Vorachek and Ghost but JVR. You need someone to score goals. He's big, skates well. He was on pace for a 25 goal season and at 7 mill for only 2 more seasons, it's not that bad.

Carey Price was win/win too. They can afford his salary in the first few years because the rest of the team isn't overpaid, he's either a top goaltender or on LTIR and you get the cap space.

And the UFA signings... they could have had Larsson anyways AND gotten another player off Edmonton's roster.


I don't get that last sentence above. By signing Larsson as UFA, he automatically becomes their expansion draft selection and there is no other player. Do you thnk Edmonton would have traded them a player to ensure they picked Larsson (if he had already been signed by the Oilers)? I find that highly unlikely.

They could have selected an Oilers (say Benson) and signed Larsson during normal free agency.


That's possible I guess, but still highly unlikely. Larsson didn't sign with Seattle because he was unhappy with the Oilers (quite the opposite) or because of money. He seems to be a good, honest guy and I don't see him doing that to a team that treated him pretty well.


Not sure if you saw the article written by Spector last week but Larsson said he loved the team, the City, said management was great. Said they offered him a great contract. It 100% came down to he lost his 50 yr old dad to a suddenly fatal heart attack when he came to visit Larsson in Edmonton and he just wanted to get out of Edmonton to try to put it behind him.

Sounds like if his dad had of died in any other City, he probably would be an Oiler right now but too many things reminded him of his dad in Edmonton and he wanted to leave.


The point is Seattle could have taken another player and probably still gotten Larsson as a FA considering all the stuff we know about Larsson's hard time with Edmonton is true. It is nice they didn't do that to the Oilers, but a strange decision for a team trying to build a functioning hockey club out of nothing.


Think it's just that if you let Larsson go UFA, he will get other offers. Not sure there was anything so special about Seattle that Larsson, as UFA, would sign with them if he found out another team would give him an extra 0.5-1M AAV. He wouldn't be sure until he was UFA though, so Seattle has the advantage of the early guarantee.

That's really the only plus with Seattle, that Larsson can sit back a bit earlier and know he got something close to what he figured he was worth. From Larsson's side, maybe Seattle changes their mind after UFA passes too because someone better comes on the market. Never know. Neither side has any history with the other, not a great situation to expect 2 side to fully commit to anything in a wide open UFA market.

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Think it's just that if you let Larsson go UFA, he will get other offers. Not sure there was anything so special about Seattle that Larsson, as UFA, would sign with them if he found out another team would give him an extra 0.5-1M AAV. He wouldn't be sure until he was UFA though, so Seattle has the advantage of the early guarantee.

That's really the only plus with Seattle, that Larsson can sit back a bit earlier and know he got something close to what he figured he was worth. From Larsson's side, maybe Seattle changes their mind after UFA passes too because someone better comes on the market. Never know. Neither side has any history with the other, not a great situation to expect 2 side to fully commit to anything in a wide open UFA market.

Fair enough. It's not like the Oilers left anything super enticing unprotected. I probably would have rolled the dice on getting two assets from the Oilers just because they're a divisional rival.



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Think it's just that if you let Larsson go UFA, he will get other offers. Not sure there was anything so special about Seattle that Larsson, as UFA, would sign with them if he found out another team would give him an extra 0.5-1M AAV. He wouldn't be sure until he was UFA though, so Seattle has the advantage of the early guarantee.

That's really the only plus with Seattle, that Larsson can sit back a bit earlier and know he got something close to what he figured he was worth. From Larsson's side, maybe Seattle changes their mind after UFA passes too because someone better comes on the market. Never know. Neither side has any history with the other, not a great situation to expect 2 side to fully commit to anything in a wide open UFA market.

Fair enough. It's not like the Oilers left anything super enticing unprotected. I probably would have rolled the dice on getting two assets from the Oilers just because they're a divisional rival.


But the fact is, Larsson could have waited a few more days and gone anywhere. There was something that the Kraken talked to him about that resonated clearly because he probably could have got a similar contract from anyone very soon afterwards, and still could have got the same deal from Seattle too.

While it's nice of Larsson to have told Spector all that, I don't know that I fully buy it. The Oilers seemed surprised that he wasn't sticking around. It would have been useful for the Oilers to know that he wasn't interested in coming back - that doesn't seem to have happened until he was gone. That suggests that there may be more to the story - but he's an NHL player in the midst of his career. It makes no sense to burn bridges airing grievances. I'm sure his dad's death was part of it...I doubt it was the whole thing.

I do think the Kraken did a pretty uneven job drafting and could have had a better team than what they ended up with. To be clear on my earlier point, I think the Golden Knights did not intend to be good - but once they realized they were by accident, they rolled with those punches and just have continued to improve their team. They should probably win the division again this year given the Oilers goaltending and defence weaknesses.

I don't think the Kraken have as strong a roster and I don't expect them to be as successful as Vegas (although, given the crappy division, they could still end up failing to be as bad as they want and even potentially make the playoffs).



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But the fact is, Larsson could have waited a few more days and gone anywhere. There was something that the Kraken talked to him about that resonated clearly because he probably could have got a similar contract from anyone very soon afterwards, and still could have got the same deal from Seattle too.

While it's nice of Larsson to have told Spector all that, I don't know that I fully buy it. The Oilers seemed surprised that he wasn't sticking around. It would have been useful for the Oilers to know that he wasn't interested in coming back - that doesn't seem to have happened until he was gone. That suggests that there may be more to the story - but he's an NHL player in the midst of his career. It makes no sense to burn bridges airing grievances. I'm sure his dad's death was part of it...I doubt it was the whole thing.

I do think the Kraken did a pretty uneven job drafting and could have had a better team than what they ended up with. To be clear on my earlier point, I think the Golden Knights did not intend to be good - but once they realized they were by accident, they rolled with those punches and just have continued to improve their team. They should probably win the division again this year given the Oilers goaltending and defence weaknesses.

I don't think the Kraken have as strong a roster and I don't expect them to be as successful as Vegas (although, given the crappy division, they could still end up failing to be as bad as they want and even potentially make the playoffs).


The Kraken ended up 10th in the league (3rd in the division) according to the Athletic's analytic model. Not sure how other than poor division (I guess good goaltending and decent defence).

Funny enough, the Oilers haven't appeared in the ranking yet, meaning their model has them somewhere in the top 6 teams in the league.



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Funny enough, the Oilers haven't appeared in the ranking yet, meaning their model has them somewhere in the top 6 teams in the league.



The division should really help too. We could be pretty awful and still finish second in the division. With McDavid and Draisaitl, we should not be awful, even if our goalies are.

I do still love that the Ducks and the Kings felt like we must have been doing something right and hired our terrible former coaches...



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