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Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Holland expects that EDM will start the season with one unvaccinated player.
He did not name the player, but said he has spoken with him several times, hoping to convince.

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
By Holland’s estimate, the unvaccinated player would miss 30 games this season due to time spent in quarantine.



Got money it's Archibald



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Archibald was the player Lowetide speculated on hi TSN radio show Wednesday morning.



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Archibald would be my guess.

Rumours around Mike Smith too (and Kris Russell, but I'm not sure if that's just because he is from rural Alberta or if there is more to it than that). But maybe they are thinking they can convince Smith to get it. Sounds like Duncan Keith has reluctantly got it.

But Archibald is the only one posting OAN links and conspiracy theories online.

(Also imagine Caleb Jones may not have got it, but that's no longer the Oilers issue).

Frankly, Archibald isn't a good enough player to suffer through this with, IMO. They should have him in Bakersfield where he can play the majority of the games, and keep someone like Benson, Perlini, or Sceviour so they get an extra 30 games out of them.

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Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:51

Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


I didn't know that - we both got the one shot J&J in Texas back in March, so they wouldn't count that if we were to come back home to visit family?

Any good resources that I can share with our Dr. to get the booster approved? (our county here is almost at 90% vaxxed 12+)



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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:51

Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


I didn't know that - we both got the one shot J&J in Texas back in March, so they wouldn't count that if we were to come back home to visit family?

Any good resources that I can share with our Dr. to get the booster approved? (our county here is almost at 90% vaxxed 12+)


I am not 100% sure to be honest but it sounds like it. I just heard on the sports talk radio that was the reason Keith had to get another one. Supposedly Tyler Bertuzzi of Detroit is going to get the 1 shot Johnson and Johnson as well and he will just not play any games in Canada.

So you may want to talk to a doctor or AHS about it asap. I got AZ for my first one because it was the first that came available to my age group, and then Pfizer for my second and because I mixed and the US wasn't recognizing mixed people as fully vaccinated, I was allowed to get a 3rd shot. So I got mine on the first day it was available in Alberta which was Sept 1.

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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:51

Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


I didn't know that - we both got the one shot J&J in Texas back in March, so they wouldn't count that if we were to come back home to visit family?

Any good resources that I can share with our Dr. to get the booster approved? (our county here is almost at 90% vaxxed 12+)



I'm confused now:

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To sum up from Ken Holland:

- One unvaccinated player, could miss ~30 games
- Alex Stalock unlikely to play this season due to heart condition stemming from Covid
- Duncan Keith expected to be available next Friday after receiving second dose of vaccine

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To clarify, sounds like Duncan Keith received the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine which is administered in the US. Thus him having to wait until next Friday to get the all clear to join the group in training camp after returning to Canada.



There are videos of Keith skating with the team a week ago in Edmonton. Did he just fly to the USA to get a J&J shot in this last week?



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 11:07

Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:51

Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


I didn't know that - we both got the one shot J&J in Texas back in March, so they wouldn't count that if we were to come back home to visit family?

Any good resources that I can share with our Dr. to get the booster approved? (our county here is almost at 90% vaxxed 12+)



I'm confused now:

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To sum up from Ken Holland:

- One unvaccinated player, could miss ~30 games
- Alex Stalock unlikely to play this season due to heart condition stemming from Covid
- Duncan Keith expected to be available next Friday after receiving second dose of vaccine

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To clarify, sounds like Duncan Keith received the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine which is administered in the US. Thus him having to wait until next Friday to get the all clear to join the group in training camp after returning to Canada.



There are videos of Keith skating with the team a week ago in Edmonton. Did he just fly to the USA to get a J&J shot in this last week?

The US was giving out shots to anyone WAY WAY before we could get them so he could have easily got one when he was a Hawk.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 11:11

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 11:07

Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:51

Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


I didn't know that - we both got the one shot J&J in Texas back in March, so they wouldn't count that if we were to come back home to visit family?

Any good resources that I can share with our Dr. to get the booster approved? (our county here is almost at 90% vaxxed 12+)



I'm confused now:

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To sum up from Ken Holland:

- One unvaccinated player, could miss ~30 games
- Alex Stalock unlikely to play this season due to heart condition stemming from Covid
- Duncan Keith expected to be available next Friday after receiving second dose of vaccine

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To clarify, sounds like Duncan Keith received the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine which is administered in the US. Thus him having to wait until next Friday to get the all clear to join the group in training camp after returning to Canada.



There are videos of Keith skating with the team a week ago in Edmonton. Did he just fly to the USA to get a J&J shot in this last week?

The US was giving out shots to anyone WAY WAY before we could get them so he could have easily got one when he was a Hawk.


Holland says he is actually in quarantine. J&J is an acccepted vaccine in Canada if you're 2 weeks post vaccination. So I think this is Keith's first shot. Holland convinced him in the last week, he flew to the USA, got J&J because it's the fastest path to being fully vaccinated and now doing his 2 weeks mandatory quarantine because he was not officially vaccinated (2 weeks post shot) when he came into Canada.

Is what it is I guess. At least he's not an Archibald

[Updated on: Wed, 22 September 2021 11:19]


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 11:14

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 11:11

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 11:07

Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:51

Keith got the 1 shot Johnson and Jonhson and Canada is making him get another shot as they don't recognize it.


I didn't know that - we both got the one shot J&J in Texas back in March, so they wouldn't count that if we were to come back home to visit family?

Any good resources that I can share with our Dr. to get the booster approved? (our county here is almost at 90% vaxxed 12+)



I'm confused now:

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To sum up from Ken Holland:

- One unvaccinated player, could miss ~30 games
- Alex Stalock unlikely to play this season due to heart condition stemming from Covid
- Duncan Keith expected to be available next Friday after receiving second dose of vaccine

Tom Gazzola @TomGazzola
To clarify, sounds like Duncan Keith received the one-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine which is administered in the US. Thus him having to wait until next Friday to get the all clear to join the group in training camp after returning to Canada.



There are videos of Keith skating with the team a week ago in Edmonton. Did he just fly to the USA to get a J&J shot in this last week?

The US was giving out shots to anyone WAY WAY before we could get them so he could have easily got one when he was a Hawk.


Holland says he is actually in quarantine. J&J is an acccepted vaccine in Canada if you're 2 weeks post vaccination. So I think this is Keith's first shot. Holland convinced him in the last week, he flew to the USA, got J&J because it's the fastest path to being fully vaccinated and now doing his 2 weeks mandatory quarantine because he was not officially vaccinated (2 weeks post shot) when he came into Canada.

Is what it is I guess. At least he's not an Archibald

Good to know. Thanks. At least he got it. I'd rather him miss the first week of camp which is mostly cutting down junior guys, AHLers and never will be's while the vets try to avoid getting run by some AHLer wanting to get noticed, than to be like Archibald, still on the fence with no shots at all. Even if he decides to get them in the next few days, would be not basically be out for almost a month? He gets the shot, then has to wait at least 2 weeks to get the second, then wait another week for the second to kick in.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 10:45

Archibald would be my guess.

Rumours around Mike Smith too (and Kris Russell, but I'm not sure if that's just because he is from rural Alberta or if there is more to it than that). But maybe they are thinking they can convince Smith to get it. Sounds like Duncan Keith has reluctantly got it.

But Archibald is the only one posting OAN links and conspiracy theories online.

(Also imagine Caleb Jones may not have got it, but that's no longer the Oilers issue).

Frankly, Archibald isn't a good enough player to suffer through this with, IMO. They should have him in Bakersfield where he can play the majority of the games, and keep someone like Benson, Perlini, or Sceviour so they get an extra 30 games out of them.


He's a lousy 5v5 player unless he gets to play with McDavid (which should never happen anymore after we added more wingers), so you're mainly using him as a PK specialist. How much can you rely on a PK specialist that can't play almost half your games? Probably need to trade him or waive him.



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It would seem that he did make a trip just to get the Johnson & Johnson and have less waiting time before camp. Wonder if Mike Smith did the same?

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For players in canadian cities deciding last minute to get vaccinated, the quickest route is likely travelling to the states for the J and J single dose, then quarantining on the way back, rather than waiting for 2 doses over much longer time period.


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Holland straight up said it's Archibald on OilersNow


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https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.


Or he just thinks he's playing the long game and Rinaldo, Bertuzzi and Archibald will be the best NHL players in the world after everyone else drops dead in 2 years.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:49

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.


Or he just thinks he's playing the long game and Rinaldo, Bertuzzi and Archibald will be the best NHL players in the world after everyone else drops dead in 2 years.


I dunno, I think I’m still picking Zombie McDavid over those three in next year’s hockey pool.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 19:03

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:49

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.


Or he just thinks he's playing the long game and Rinaldo, Bertuzzi and Archibald will be the best NHL players in the world after everyone else drops dead in 2 years.


I dunno, I think I’m still picking Zombie McDavid over those three in next year’s hockey pool.


Glad Chia is gone, because he 100% would trade zombie McDavid for Rinaldo.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 10:52

Adam wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 19:03

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:49

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.


Or he just thinks he's playing the long game and Rinaldo, Bertuzzi and Archibald will be the best NHL players in the world after everyone else drops dead in 2 years.


I dunno, I think I’m still picking Zombie McDavid over those three in next year’s hockey pool.


Glad Chia is gone, because he 100% would trade zombie McDavid for Rinaldo.


To be fair, that may just be because Zombie Chiarelli wants to eat fresh non-zombie brains though...



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.

I think this could be the end of his career.

I don't mind Archibald. In my opinion he's a decent bottom 6 guy. He scores what I think a decent bottom 6 guy should score. For a little guy, he hits a ton. Has speed, kills penalties, gets in people's face and usually brings it most nights. He does exactly what a bottom 6 guy should do. But he is replaceable and I think there could be a lot of teams who decide he's not worth the headache because covid won't go away.

So I am hoping the Oilers are hoping they can convince him but in a week or so if he is still not getting it, they have to waive him so he can play in Bakersfield or just sit out. The Oilers would get the roster spot and cap relief. If he does get waived, I don't know if a team picks him up. If you are a fully vaccinated team, I can't see you wanting to bring in an unvaccinated player and put the rest at risk.

I really wish the league would step in here. They haven't made it mandatory which personally I think they should BUT they as a league are very much in favor of all players getting vaccinated to protect their league. So they should be allowing teams to be able to put the player on LTIR or something to get he and his contract off the roster so they can continue on with their business. This isn't a case of a stupid GM signing a bad contract, they aren't trying to hide guys or cheat. There is no wrong doing by the team. This is a case where an individual has made a decision that potentially puts other players and people at risk. If you are about player safety, then the league should step in and give the Oilers a way out that protects their players. Right now, the only way the Oilers have an out is they have to waive him, send him down but the team is being penalized by still having part of his cap hit on the cap and the roster spot. So the Oilers would be getting penalized for putting the safety of their players, their staff and any team they play first. That isn't right in my opinion.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:08

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 17:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 22 September 2021 15:43

https://oilersnation.com/2021/09/22/edmonton-oilers-have-som e-covid-complications/

Gregor wrote an article on Oilersnation where he roughly figured out how many potential games or days that Archibald would have to miss if he doesn't get vaccinated. He calculated that Archibald could potentially lose 41% of his total salary over his principals.

WOW. Better be worth it.


Wild to me that people would give up their dream for this. Archibald isn’t exactly a shoe in to get another NHL contract. Rinaldo likely done after this I’d imagine.

I’d have to really be against something a lot bigger than a shot in the arm that millions of people have taken to give up my dream of being a hockey player.

I think this could be the end of his career.

I don't mind Archibald. In my opinion he's a decent bottom 6 guy. He scores what I think a decent bottom 6 guy should score. For a little guy, he hits a ton. Has speed, kills penalties, gets in people's face and usually brings it most nights. He does exactly what a bottom 6 guy should do. But he is replaceable and I think there could be a lot of teams who decide he's not worth the headache because covid won't go away.

So I am hoping the Oilers are hoping they can convince him but in a week or so if he is still not getting it, they have to waive him so he can play in Bakersfield or just sit out. The Oilers would get the roster spot and cap relief. If he does get waived, I don't know if a team picks him up. If you are a fully vaccinated team, I can't see you wanting to bring in an unvaccinated player and put the rest at risk.

I really wish the league would step in here. They haven't made it mandatory which personally I think they should BUT they as a league are very much in favor of all players getting vaccinated to protect their league. So they should be allowing teams to be able to put the player on LTIR or something to get he and his contract off the roster so they can continue on with their business. This isn't a case of a stupid GM signing a bad contract, they aren't trying to hide guys or cheat. There is no wrong doing by the team. This is a case where an individual has made a decision that potentially puts other players and people at risk. If you are about player safety, then the league should step in and give the Oilers a way out that protects their players. Right now, the only way the Oilers have an out is they have to waive him, send him down but the team is being penalized by still having part of his cap hit on the cap and the roster spot. So the Oilers would be getting penalized for putting the safety of their players, their staff and any team they play first. That isn't right in my opinion.


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If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.



A player is supposed to show up to his team fit to play. He's not fit to play because he has created a situation where he can not play a minimum of 30+ games, he will miss a ton of practices and a ton of team meetings because he can't be around the team every time they cross the border. So he by his own doing make him unfit to play.

Whether he likes it or not, the government has created rules that he as to fall under to do his job in Canada. Since he is an American, I assume he would have to have some kind of work visa or paper work to work in Canada. To travel anywhere out of your home country, you have to have a passport or identification. I would assume since he is making money in Canada as an American, he would have to have some form of paperwork into the government for some kind of tax purposes. All of that is a requirement set out by the Canadian government to work in Canada. He can't just decide "Nah, screw it, I don't want to renew my passport anymore because I don't like the government having my personal information". I get that this is health issue so it isn't 100% the same as what I just said but it's still a rule that people have to follow. He's choosing not to follow it so he should be deemed unfit to work.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.



A player is supposed to show up to his team fit to play. He's not fit to play because he has created a situation where he can not play a minimum of 30+ games, he will miss a ton of practices and a ton of team meetings because he can't be around the team every time they cross the border. So he by his own doing make him unfit to play.

Whether he likes it or not, the government has created rules that he as to fall under to do his job in Canada. Since he is an American, I assume he would have to have some kind of work visa or paper work to work in Canada. To travel anywhere out of your home country, you have to have a passport or identification. I would assume since he is making money in Canada as an American, he would have to have some form of paperwork into the government for some kind of tax purposes. All of that is a requirement set out by the Canadian government to work in Canada. He can't just decide "Nah, screw it, I don't want to renew my passport anymore because I don't like the government having my personal information". I get that this is health issue so it isn't 100% the same as what I just said but it's still a rule that people have to follow. He's choosing not to follow it so he should be deemed unfit to work.

Like I said, if you want to build a platform for the other side to speak you might find yourself in a position where you hear things you don't like. That is you choice to make. Arbitration isn't like the media, they don't just get to ignore things they don't want to hear.



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Whether he likes it or not, the government has created rules that he as to fall under to do his job in Canada. Since he is an American, I assume he would have to have some kind of work visa or paper work to work in Canada. To travel anywhere out of your home country, you have to have a passport or identification. I would assume since he is making money in Canada as an American, he would have to have some form of paperwork into the government for some kind of tax purposes. All of that is a requirement set out by the Canadian government to work in Canada. He can't just decide "Nah, screw it, I don't want to renew my passport anymore because I don't like the government having my personal information". I get that this is health issue so it isn't 100% the same as what I just said but it's still a rule that people have to follow. He's choosing not to follow it so he should be deemed unfit to work.


I thought he was American too, maybe just because of his conspiracy theory views, but that was probably naive of me since so many people here hold them too. He went to college in the States though, and his wife might be from there.

He was born in Regina, though. So he's Canadian.

Honestly, the AHL might be the best for all parties if he doesn't want to get it. He will be playing a lot more hockey with fewer border crossings and getting paid his same deal. And the Oilers can sign Sceviour for the amount of cap relief they get from Archibald in the AHL, and Sceviour can (assuming) play in all the games, cross the border, and likely bring much of what Archibald brought. Or maybe they just have him sit. Though sitting on the AHL roster would give them some cap flexibility.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.


I guess the question is if the CBA includes any other references or precedents relating to infectious diseases.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.


I guess the question is if the CBA includes any other references or precedents relating to infectious diseases.

Even a bad labor lawyer can dance all over that, if it’s in the contract because mandating an injection is almost certainly a change of practice. Trust me when I say it’s not a simple matter if the nhl or the Oilers demanding something.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.


I guess the question is if the CBA includes any other references or precedents relating to infectious diseases.


I would tend to agree that this needs to be discussed and negotiated by the NHL & NHLPA. I don't think the league can just mandate on player's health issues, and if they did it alone, they'd be begging for trouble. The league basically needs the players to lean on their union - saying that they want everyone vaccinated - or else there won't be any hard line.

The rules do seem to make it ridiculous for someone to stay unvaccinated. Can't travel to Canada (or if on a Canadian team, need to self-isolate every time you come back from the US). Can't leave hotel room on the road, need to be masked at all times when at the rink and socially distanced from teammates. Or you can just get a needle and allow Bill Gates to see through your very eyes as you slowly succumb to zombie-ism.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 10:46

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:47

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.


I guess the question is if the CBA includes any other references or precedents relating to infectious diseases.


I would tend to agree that this needs to be discussed and negotiated by the NHL & NHLPA. I don't think the league can just mandate on player's health issues, and if they did it alone, they'd be begging for trouble. The league basically needs the players to lean on their union - saying that they want everyone vaccinated - or else there won't be any hard line.

The rules do seem to make it ridiculous for someone to stay unvaccinated. Can't travel to Canada (or if on a Canadian team, need to self-isolate every time you come back from the US). Can't leave hotel room on the road, need to be masked at all times when at the rink and socially distanced from teammates. Or you can just get a needle and allow Bill Gates to see through your very eyes as you slowly succumb to zombie-ism.


What is Archibald's citizenship? He was born in Regina, but does he have US citizenship? If so what mishmash of rules applies to him?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 09:22

If you’re militantly in favor of mRNA injections the LAST thing you want is a company forcing a belligerent, well-funded, and public facing union to take a stand. Why would you ever build your opposition a stage to speak from? That instantly becomes a fast tracked arbitration issue which can be cited as a precedent for other labor disputes in both countries not just mandatory injections but overall employer control over healthcare issues. It’s far better to let the Oilers handle a player they should have left unprotected on their own.



Ha, no one is militantly in favour of mRNA injections. The Johnson and Johnson viral vector-based vaccine is acceptable, although I doubt that makes any difference to an anti-vaxxer.



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Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports
Connor McDavid on vaccine hesitancy with the Oilers:

“The vaccine’s become such a political thing. It’s become about a lot more than just the vaccine at this point. We want to do our best to protect one another, but, ultimately, it’s everyone’s choice to take it or

"... Everyone’s responsible and has a choice to control their own body. If someone feels the need not to get it and doesn’t want to get it, that’s their choice and we move on. We’ll do what we can to still keep everybody safe and still put the best team on the ice.”



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I enjoyed this young leader vs old grizzled vet contrast :)



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 23 September 2021 12:30

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports
Connor McDavid on vaccine hesitancy with the Oilers:

“The vaccine’s become such a political thing. It’s become about a lot more than just the vaccine at this point. We want to do our best to protect one another, but, ultimately, it’s everyone’s choice to take it or

"... Everyone’s responsible and has a choice to control their own body. If someone feels the need not to get it and doesn’t want to get it, that’s their choice and we move on. We’ll do what we can to still keep everybody safe and still put the best team on the ice.”



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I enjoyed this young leader vs old grizzled vet contrast :)


This is part of the selfishness of those who didn't get it - Smith apparently was the 2nd last if you believe Spector. The only reason players are being asked to weigh in on this is because we've got a couple outliers who believe crackpot websites.



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