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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mp21jAOV0

Maybe someone can do a better summary. Only caught a part just now where he is downplaying the cap space he has. Says it's not actually much because he has players to sign. lol...

Stuaffer and all media stooges were selling the magic cap space we would have this summer as the reason we could excuse not trying to improve the roster this year...

[Updated on: Wed, 26 May 2021 11:10]


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Well he said he wants to re-sign Mike Smith...

Better replace Koskinen with somebody who can start.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:23

Well he said he wants to re-sign Mike Smith...


Sounds like the first order of business!



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:23

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:23

Well he said he wants to re-sign Mike Smith...


Sounds like the first order of business!

Hey, Smith needs to get to the cottage too.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:24

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:23

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:23

Well he said he wants to re-sign Mike Smith...


Sounds like the first order of business!

Hey, Smith needs to get to the cottage too.


He said they're going to meet in BC...cottage season come early!



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More or less said he's not interested in trading the Holloway's and Broberg's for short term gain.


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Rishaug asked straight up if Holland will sell some of the future to fix this team. Holland completely clammed up and started a rant about drafting and developing.

ok, so don't expect any crafty moves from this guy. He's depending on draft home runs to fix this mess.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:38

Rishaug asked straight up if Holland will sell some of the future to fix this team. Holland completely clammed up and started a rant about drafting and developing.

ok, so don't expect any crafty moves from this guy. He's depending on draft home runs to fix this mess.

From my perspective, I am not interested in the Oilers dumping any of their high end prospects just to bring in a guy who is a marginal upgrade from what they have for 1 year. I am totally fine to trade off high end prospects if they can bring in a clear upgrade on what they have and it will be here for multiple years.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mp21jAOV0

Maybe someone can do a better summary. Only caught a part just now where he is downplaying the cap space he has. Says it's not actually much because he has players to sign. lol...

Stuaffer and all media stooges were selling the magic cap space we would have this summer as the reason we could excuse not trying to improve the roster this year...


I hate, hate, hate the Oilers management's need to always try to temper expectations. It's a constant exercise for the last 10 years. They are so afraid that the fans might actually expect a contender and that it'll get held against them if they aren't capable of providing one.

It's of course a self-fulfilling prophecy. No expectations of success leads to no success.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:40

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9mp21jAOV0

Maybe someone can do a better summary. Only caught a part just now where he is downplaying the cap space he has. Says it's not actually much because he has players to sign. lol...

Stuaffer and all media stooges were selling the magic cap space we would have this summer as the reason we could excuse not trying to improve the roster this year...


I hate, hate, hate the Oilers management's need to always try to temper expectations. It's a constant exercise for the last 10 years. They are so afraid that the fans might actually expect a contender and that it'll get held against them if they aren't capable of providing one.

It's of course a self-fulfilling prophecy. No expectations of success leads to no success.


People hated it when the rhetoric was the other way as well. I think the proof is in the pudding in terms of what gets done. Expectations and whether they're played up or downplayed don't matter, if the team fails in the playoffs or to make it to the playoffs they get roasted anyway. I've never understood why rhetoric matters when it comes to the Oilers. We've see both sides of it and when you're still a loser it doesn't matter. Why the hell should Holland say anything other than that he will improve his club, given opportunities that make sense?



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I can't even listen anymore.

He is hard to listen to today. Duplicate and triplicate sentences in a row...

"Stick with it" Got it Ken...



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g2k wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 10:47

I can't even listen anymore.

He is hard to listen to today. Duplicate and triplicate sentences in a row...

"Stick with it" Got it Ken...


Yeah for a 65 year old he is sounding more senile than his age.

Has said Daniel Nugent-Hopkins (mixing up with the Athletic reporter Daniel Nugent-Bowman) at least twice this conference.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:50

g2k wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 10:47

I can't even listen anymore.

He is hard to listen to today. Duplicate and triplicate sentences in a row...

"Stick with it" Got it Ken...


Yeah for a 65 year old he is sounding more senile than his age.

Has said Daniel Nugent-Hopkins (mixing up with the Athletic reporter Daniel Nugent-Bowman) at least twice this conference.

He's stammering like a guy that is worried about getting fired. Not saying that is the situation, but he sounds a bit panicked.

Needs to shorten his answers.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:50

g2k wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 10:47

I can't even listen anymore.

He is hard to listen to today. Duplicate and triplicate sentences in a row...

"Stick with it" Got it Ken...


Yeah for a 65 year old he is sounding more senile than his age.

Has said Daniel Nugent-Hopkins (mixing up with the Athletic reporter Daniel Nugent-Bowman) at least twice this conference.


This is ridiculously cringy. I am not encouraged by this old man ranting.



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g2k wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:47

I can't even listen anymore.

He is hard to listen to today. Duplicate and triplicate sentences in a row...

"Stick with it" Got it Ken...


Ha ha ha ha ha...he said Winnipeg is a really good hockey program and he hopes the Oilers can grow to be a good hockey program like that.

That's the bar he's setting for himself here today...evolving in to the Winnipeg @#$%ing Jets.



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In summation:

- Established players just don't get traded in this league.
- Can't go out and get one good piece. Just doesn't happen.
- Mike Smith and Ken gonna meet in the Okanagan
- He once acquired Chris Chelios when going for the 3peat. He's done it.
- He's lived it.
- Losing this way was a good thing.
- Doesn't happen that way.
- Stability
- Daniel Nugent-Hopkins
- He's seen everything.
- Doesn't have as much cap space as we were sold.
- Detroit got Dominik Hasek once.
- Stick with it.
- He's done it.

[Updated on: Wed, 26 May 2021 12:00]


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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:56

In summation:

- Established players just don't get traded in this league.
- Can't go out and get one good piece. Just doesn't happen.
- Mike Smith and Ken gonna meet in the Okanagan
- He once acquired Chris Chelios when going for the 3peat. He's done it.
- He's lived it.
- Losing this way was a good thing.
- Doesn't happen that way.
- Stability
- Daniel Nugent-Hopkins
- He's seen everything.
- Doesn't have as much cap space as we were sold.
- Stick with it.
- He's done it.




lol



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:56

In summation:

- Established players just don't get traded in this league.
- Can't go out and get one good piece. Just doesn't happen.
- Mike Smith and Ken gonna meet in the Okanagan
- He once acquired Chris Chelios when going for the 3peat. He's done it.
- He's lived it.
- Losing this way was a good thing.
- Doesn't happen that way.
- Stability
- Daniel Nugent-Hopkins
- He's seen everything.
- Doesn't have as much cap space as we were sold.
- Stick with it.
- He's done it.




Okay he's done it. I'm adding him to the signature.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 11:56

In summation:

- Established players just don't get traded in this league.
- Can't go out and get one good piece. Just doesn't happen.
- Mike Smith and Ken gonna meet in the Okanagan
- He once acquired Chris Chelios when going for the 3peat. He's done it.
- He's lived it.
- Losing this way was a good thing.
- Doesn't happen that way.
- Stability
- Daniel Nugent-Hopkins
- He's seen everything.
- Doesn't have as much cap space as we were sold.
- Detroit got Dominik Hasek once.
- Stick with it.
- He's done it.




What the hell did I watch? A slow motion train wreck? He seemed completely unprepared.



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On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:14

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-while-americ ans-embrace-re-openings-canadians-remain-unjustifiably-afrai d




I didn't say they shouldn't start easing restrictions, but what they are doing is too fast a timeline. Enjoy wave 4 starting in early August.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-while-americ ans-embrace-re-openings-canadians-remain-unjustifiably-afrai d




And you are giving your own canned responses. Cherry picked and out of context arguements. You seem super angry, everything OK?

Anyways, do you remember when it was +25C every day up in Canada? What did the cases look like? Wouldn't it be nice to have that state again while vaccinating? Well, Texas and Florida got to. Good for them. They also restrict who can be tested more, needing to be symptomatic which helps numbers. They also have healthcare systems with loads of excess space that also encourages people to not come in unless it's very serious if they don't have good coverage. Lots of advantages, along with the likely 20%+ of natural infections that of course lead to loads of extra deaths, that did end up paying off if you ignore the previous cost. I personally wasn't predicting a wave after they opened. They vaccinated their old people fully that they locked away until vaccines came. They were already at the point where most people that wanted a vaccine got it, and many of the rest of the people were going to just power through unless COVID hit them hard and they had no choice but to seek help.

Thems are the breaks. Sorry you are so mad and may have been personally affected by closures. But, such is the cost of living in a country with a public health system that chronically operates on the edge of breaking, and also a country that sucked at producing any vaccines at home and was left lagging most of the 1st world. Moving is always an option of course. If there is another pandemic like this, it likely plays out similarly in Canada. Be ready for that.

For the record, I don't mind Kenney's plan as much as some. If the goal is reducing the stress on the healthcare system, I think this has a good chance to work out. I think vaccine uptake in Canada will be good enough to avoid another significant wave.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:32

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:14

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-while-americ ans-embrace-re-openings-canadians-remain-unjustifiably-afrai d




And you are giving your own canned responses. Cherry picked and out of context arguements. You seem super angry, everything OK?

Anyways, do you remember when it was +25C every day up in Canada? What did the cases look like? Wouldn't it be nice to have that state again while vaccinating? Well, Texas and Florida got to. Good for them. They also restrict who can be tested more, needing to be symptomatic which helps numbers. They also have healthcare systems with loads of excess space that also encourages people to not come in unless it's very serious if they don't have good coverage. Lots of advantages, along with the likely 20%+ of natural infections that of course lead to loads of extra deaths, that did end up paying off if you ignore the previous cost. I personally wasn't predicting a wave after they opened. They vaccinated their old people fully that they locked away until vaccines came. They were already at the point where most people that wanted a vaccine got it, and many of the rest of the people were going to just power through unless COVID hit them hard and they had no choice but to seek help.

Thems are the breaks. Sorry you are so mad and may have been personally affected by closures. But, such is the cost of living in a country with a public health system that chronically operates on the edge of breaking, and also a country that sucked at producing any vaccines at home and was left lagging most of the 1st world. Moving is always an option of course. If there is another pandemic like this, it likely plays out similarly in Canada. Be ready for that.

For the record, I don't mind Kenney's plan as much as some. If the goal is reducing the stress on the healthcare system, I think this has a good chance to work out. I think vaccine uptake in Canada will be good enough to avoid another significant wave.


Your viewpoint on public healthcare is .... interesting, but not what is behind the differences in the two countries. The issue with "Kenney's" plan is it is too much way to fast given the numbers and decisions being based on hospitalization numbers is idiotic - those lag up to 4 weeks after infection. Wave 4 may come our way in August - that would really suck. Calgary Stampede and K-days fully open? That is absolute insanity if the attendance numbers are large and indoor crowded spaces are allowed. So unnecessary - BC's timeline makes way more sense and is more what I expected from Alberta - if we had a competent leader and ruling party, which we don't.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:32

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:14

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-while-americ ans-embrace-re-openings-canadians-remain-unjustifiably-afrai d




And you are giving your own canned responses. Cherry picked and out of context arguements. You seem super angry, everything OK?

Anyways, do you remember when it was +25C every day up in Canada? What did the cases look like? Wouldn't it be nice to have that state again while vaccinating? Well, Texas and Florida got to. Good for them. They also restrict who can be tested more, needing to be symptomatic which helps numbers. They also have healthcare systems with loads of excess space that also encourages people to not come in unless it's very serious if they don't have good coverage. Lots of advantages, along with the likely 20%+ of natural infections that of course lead to loads of extra deaths, that did end up paying off if you ignore the previous cost. I personally wasn't predicting a wave after they opened. They vaccinated their old people fully that they locked away until vaccines came. They were already at the point where most people that wanted a vaccine got it, and many of the rest of the people were going to just power through unless COVID hit them hard and they had no choice but to seek help.

Thems are the breaks. Sorry you are so mad and may have been personally affected by closures. But, such is the cost of living in a country with a public health system that chronically operates on the edge of breaking, and also a country that sucked at producing any vaccines at home and was left lagging most of the 1st world. Moving is always an option of course. If there is another pandemic like this, it likely plays out similarly in Canada. Be ready for that.

For the record, I don't mind Kenney's plan as much as some. If the goal is reducing the stress on the healthcare system, I think this has a good chance to work out. I think vaccine uptake in Canada will be good enough to avoid another significant wave.


How do I seem “super angry” exactly? Laid out my points pretty rationally IMO



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 23:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:32

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:14

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-while-americ ans-embrace-re-openings-canadians-remain-unjustifiably-afrai d




And you are giving your own canned responses. Cherry picked and out of context arguements. You seem super angry, everything OK?

Anyways, do you remember when it was +25C every day up in Canada? What did the cases look like? Wouldn't it be nice to have that state again while vaccinating? Well, Texas and Florida got to. Good for them. They also restrict who can be tested more, needing to be symptomatic which helps numbers. They also have healthcare systems with loads of excess space that also encourages people to not come in unless it's very serious if they don't have good coverage. Lots of advantages, along with the likely 20%+ of natural infections that of course lead to loads of extra deaths, that did end up paying off if you ignore the previous cost. I personally wasn't predicting a wave after they opened. They vaccinated their old people fully that they locked away until vaccines came. They were already at the point where most people that wanted a vaccine got it, and many of the rest of the people were going to just power through unless COVID hit them hard and they had no choice but to seek help.

Thems are the breaks. Sorry you are so mad and may have been personally affected by closures. But, such is the cost of living in a country with a public health system that chronically operates on the edge of breaking, and also a country that sucked at producing any vaccines at home and was left lagging most of the 1st world. Moving is always an option of course. If there is another pandemic like this, it likely plays out similarly in Canada. Be ready for that.

For the record, I don't mind Kenney's plan as much as some. If the goal is reducing the stress on the healthcare system, I think this has a good chance to work out. I think vaccine uptake in Canada will be good enough to avoid another significant wave.


How do I seem “super angry” exactly? Laid out my points pretty rationally IMO


Well, you kinda went on the full don't tell me what I can do and mess with my freedom stuff and called a guy an idiot and puss :)

Maybe I'm misreading and that's part of the every day Gator21 style.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 23:18

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 23:00

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:32

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 21:14

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:48

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:15

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


The reason is we suck at getting vaccines. Every person that wants a vaccine in the USA could have got 2 doses weeks ago. Governing becomes a lot easier when every person that is worried about getting COVID has had ample opportunity to immunize themselves. And I guess having amply staffed private healthcare makes things a lot easier too.


It would be nice if we weren't at the mercy of other countries' political games and we could manufacture our own vaccines, but ... multiple governments and multiple political parties in Canada totally dropped the ball there.... but, we are not in at all the same position as the US with respect to fully vaccinated population. Gator's "ZERO" reasons, is a whole log of F'ing reasons! (wit. un-vaccinated people and certain types of people that will pretend they are vaccinated just to be able to party as before.


The whole "States in the US reopened successfully because like waaaay more ppl were vaccinated" is such a load of crap canned response that stooges like you love to use. When Florida and Texas reopened less than 50% of the population were fully vaccinated and people were screaming how reckless they were being and how cases would spike through the roof. Guess what...that didn't happen. *shock, I know* And now even crappy Dem run states like NY are following suit...just look at the Islanders game tonight.

AB right now has more people per capita that have been vaccinated with their first dose than Texas and they've had full capacity at baseball games for over a month. Over 50% of Albertans have had their first dose and within four weeks that number is likely to increase to 70% based on appointments booked for the jab. Factor in an additional 15% that has contracted the oh so deadly virus and that's 85% of the population that is immune/less likely to have severe illness.

So yes there is next to no reason why we shouldn't currently be enjoying our civil liberties like our neighbours to the south. If you want to remain living in fear be my guest but like it or not the rest of us are soon going to return to normal life and enjoy our freedoms...Stampede, Kdays, festivals, CFL games but hey I respect your right to stay at home so respect mine to live freely please

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-while-americ ans-embrace-re-openings-canadians-remain-unjustifiably-afrai d




And you are giving your own canned responses. Cherry picked and out of context arguements. You seem super angry, everything OK?

Anyways, do you remember when it was +25C every day up in Canada? What did the cases look like? Wouldn't it be nice to have that state again while vaccinating? Well, Texas and Florida got to. Good for them. They also restrict who can be tested more, needing to be symptomatic which helps numbers. They also have healthcare systems with loads of excess space that also encourages people to not come in unless it's very serious if they don't have good coverage. Lots of advantages, along with the likely 20%+ of natural infections that of course lead to loads of extra deaths, that did end up paying off if you ignore the previous cost. I personally wasn't predicting a wave after they opened. They vaccinated their old people fully that they locked away until vaccines came. They were already at the point where most people that wanted a vaccine got it, and many of the rest of the people were going to just power through unless COVID hit them hard and they had no choice but to seek help.

Thems are the breaks. Sorry you are so mad and may have been personally affected by closures. But, such is the cost of living in a country with a public health system that chronically operates on the edge of breaking, and also a country that sucked at producing any vaccines at home and was left lagging most of the 1st world. Moving is always an option of course. If there is another pandemic like this, it likely plays out similarly in Canada. Be ready for that.

For the record, I don't mind Kenney's plan as much as some. If the goal is reducing the stress on the healthcare system, I think this has a good chance to work out. I think vaccine uptake in Canada will be good enough to avoid another significant wave.


How do I seem “super angry” exactly? Laid out my points pretty rationally IMO


Well, you kinda went on the full don't tell me what I can do and mess with my freedom stuff and called a guy an idiot and puss :)

Maybe I'm misreading and that's part of the every day Gator21 style.


You know what scares the crap out of me? That there are so many f#*$(#$ing people out there in Alberta that actually want us to be MORE like Florida and Texas - THAT is scary (and says something about a certain segment of Alberta's population).



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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 19:12

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:09

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 12:50

On a day that Kenney laid out the reopening plans to have have basically no restrictions come July, Holland lays an egg. Unbelievable


Two giant F'ing eggs. UCP are idiots.


You're an idiot...go live a cave for the rest of your life if you're scared of Covid, puss. See the fans in all the US arenas during playoffs? There's absolutely ZERO reason we shouldn't be living like that here.


Riiiighhttt!!! Go read what the medical community thinks about this. Grow up.



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Sounds like he is getting ready for a first round loss to Seattle next year.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:31

Sounds like he is getting ready for a first round loss to Seattle next year.

Sounds more like he is already trying to explain away the Oil missing the playoffs entirely next year. If he stands pat with the current roster, that is likely what will happen.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 15:19

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:31

Sounds like he is getting ready for a first round loss to Seattle next year.

Sounds more like he is already trying to explain away the Oil missing the playoffs entirely next year. If he stands pat with the current roster, that is likely what will happen.


Oilers saving grace is that they play in the Pacific with Arizona, Vancouver, Calgary, Los Angeles, San Jose, Anaheim and Seattle. They are one of only two teams in the division to make the playoffs this year.

It's truly horrible, and you don't have to be very good to stroll through it.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 15:24

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 15:19

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 14:31

Sounds like he is getting ready for a first round loss to Seattle next year.

Sounds more like he is already trying to explain away the Oil missing the playoffs entirely next year. If he stands pat with the current roster, that is likely what will happen.


Oilers saving grace is that they play in the Pacific with Arizona, Vancouver, Calgary, Los Angeles, San Jose, Anaheim and Seattle. They are one of only two teams in the division to make the playoffs this year.

It's truly horrible, and you don't have to be very good to stroll through it.

Keep the powder dry. Just think of the cap space that’ll be available in 13 months.



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 Re: Ken Holland Season Ending Press Conference [message #786587 is a reply to message #786537 ]
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This did not inspire a lot of confidence.

The 10min from about 36:30 on where Rishaug asks him if he needs to be more aggressive in potentially moving some futures to help the team now is just rambling nonsense. Talking about there are no guarantees, and that it's hard to win the Cup. Did anyone here know that you go from the regular season to 16 teams in the playoffs, to 8, to 4, to 2, to 1? It's hard. Also, he did it once in Detroit when he traded for Chris Chelios and it didn't work out so confused2

He also mentioned, a couple of times, that you can't just bring in one player and then expect to win the Cup. I don't think anybody that follows the Oilers thinks that's realistic or is suggesting that he can do that.

Good news though is that he's been at this for 24 years and knows a thing or two about winning...sorry, wrong press conference. He's been at this for 24 years and been to the Finals 6 times and won 4 Cups, so he's lived all that.



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 Re: Ken Holland Season Ending Press Conference [message #786594 is a reply to message #786587 ]
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I am sure I will be crucified because I am not going sky is falling immediately but I didn't come away from that presser if a good or bad feeling. Lots of wait and see what happens for me before I decide all is lost or the Oilers are better. Holland's answers are always long winded which is probably a bad thing but I find generally he says mostly what we all ready know and doesn't give a lot of valuable information.

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 Re: Ken Holland Season Ending Press Conference [message #786601 is a reply to message #786587 ]
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Goose wrote on Wed, 26 May 2021 15:49

This did not inspire a lot of confidence.

The 10min from about 36:30 on where Rishaug asks him if he needs to be more aggressive in potentially moving some futures to help the team now is just rambling nonsense. Talking about there are no guarantees, and that it's hard to win the Cup. Did anyone here know that you go from the regular season to 16 teams in the playoffs, to 8, to 4, to 2, to 1? It's hard. Also, he did it once in Detroit when he traded for Chris Chelios and it didn't work out so confused2

He also mentioned, a couple of times, that you can't just bring in one player and then expect to win the Cup. I don't think anybody that follows the Oilers thinks that's realistic or is suggesting that he can do that.

Good news though is that he's been at this for 24 years and knows a thing or two about winning...sorry, wrong press conference. He's been at this for 24 years and been to the Finals 6 times and won 4 Cups, so he's lived all that.


Zero urgency from Ken Holland. Given multiple opportunities to talk about this team being a contender and what he needs to do - he fidgeted and rambled and said nothing.

His "I won four Cups" is pretty hollow comfort considering that the last one was 2008 and the rest are pre-salary cap days.

When he's talking about comparing this to the 1993 Red Wings, I fear that he thinks we're four years away. That's awful, just awful.

He said specifically "I'm not going to say we're going to win the Stanley Cup". What the hell is the point if you can't say that?

He talks about a 6-month, 1 year, 3 year, 7 year plan...and gives no evidence there actually is one.

He wants to make the playoffs every year. That's a low bar, Ken, given what we have here.

Did he mention he's done it before?



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