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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778356 is a reply to message #778353 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:23

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So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778361 is a reply to message #778356 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778368 is a reply to message #778361 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:31

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778375 is a reply to message #778368 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:39

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:31

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

Yep, there it is on shot 20 hahahaha

Oooh nevermind. It was shot 21.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778379 is a reply to message #778375 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:41

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778400 is a reply to message #778375 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:04

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:31

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

Yep, there it is on shot 20 hahahaha

Oooh nevermind. It was shot 21.

Uh oh...23 shots against...Leafs are due.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778401 is a reply to message #778400 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:05

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:04

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:31

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

Yep, there it is on shot 20 hahahaha

Oooh nevermind. It was shot 21.

Uh oh...23 shots against...Leafs are due.

Who this time? Brodie? Muzzin? It’s gonna come from a dman

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778403 is a reply to message #778401 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:07

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:05

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:04

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:31

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

Yep, there it is on shot 20 hahahaha

Oooh nevermind. It was shot 21.

Uh oh...23 shots against...Leafs are due.

Who this time? Brodie? Muzzin? It’s gonna come from a dman

Powerplay, so I assume Rielly.

Gotta ask g2K. He's the Nostradamus on this stuff!

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778406 is a reply to message #778403 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:09

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:07

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:05

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:04

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:31

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

Yep, there it is on shot 20 hahahaha

Oooh nevermind. It was shot 21.

Uh oh...23 shots against...Leafs are due.

Who this time? Brodie? Muzzin? It’s gonna come from a dman

Powerplay, so I assume Rielly.

Gotta ask g2K. He's the Nostradamus on this stuff!

Maybe another Larsson snipe on Smith?

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778408 is a reply to message #778403 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:11

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:07

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:05

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:04

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:31

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:28

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

Hey now, he’s provided 14 saves (so far)

so they're due for their next goal in two shots, eh?

Nice to see Andersen blow their chances of the 3 in 3 with 3 guys record.

Yep, there it is on shot 20 hahahaha

Oooh nevermind. It was shot 21.

Uh oh...23 shots against...Leafs are due.

Who this time? Brodie? Muzzin? It’s gonna come from a dman

Powerplay, so I assume Rielly.

Gotta ask g2K. He's the Nostradamus on this stuff!

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778371 is a reply to message #778356 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:32

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:23

So four goals on the first 15 shots. It's a shame Mike Smith forgot to battle in this one. I hope he's providing a lot of leadership, since he isn't providing any saves.

I think battle level 4 is now lowest.

Battle level 1 is now highest.

They switched the knobs.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778358 is a reply to message #778353 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:25

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I just hate losing when you don't dress your best team. It might not matter (probably not matter) but BOUCHARD should be dressed. BOUCH wasn't the problem on that (2nd or 3rd) goal. It just gave TIP a feeble excuse to do it.

...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778388 is a reply to message #778358 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:54

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watchman wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:25

I just hate losing when you don't dress your best team. It might not matter (probably not matter) but BOUCHARD should be dressed. BOUCH wasn't the problem on that (2nd or 3rd) goal. It just gave TIP a feeble excuse to do it.

Yeah, it was Bear that was out of position. Bouchard almost got back but Bear was nowhere to be seen.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778390 is a reply to message #778388 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:57

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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:54

watchman wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:25

I just hate losing when you don't dress your best team. It might not matter (probably not matter) but BOUCHARD should be dressed. BOUCH wasn't the problem on that (2nd or 3rd) goal. It just gave TIP a feeble excuse to do it.

Yeah, it was Bear that was out of position. Bouchard almost got back but Bear was nowhere to be seen.

Bear and Bouchard were on for 16 shots for last game and only 3 against. The on-ice save percentage was an incredible 33%. They were pretty dominant actually and neither should have been out of the lineup.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778355 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:22

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I’m so happy I work with the most arrogant Leaf fan in western Canada.

Good times lately.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778392 is a reply to message #778355 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

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g2k wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:22

I’m so happy I work with the most arrogant Leaf fan in western Canada.

Good times lately.

I think I work with his brother and a few of his cousins. Leafs fans are the worst.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778357 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:24

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So lucky we are in a trash division this year. Imagine if the Oilers had to play against competitive teams more regularly.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778359 is a reply to message #778357 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:25

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778360 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:27

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778363 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:29

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778367 is a reply to message #778363 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:30

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good for NUGE... was in the right spot. icon_cool

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There we go. Lets keep going. This Toronto team has shown the 4-1 2nd period leads aren't safe.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778365 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:30

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GIMME NU....

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778366 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:30

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Darn, Nuggy. We could have had something special here

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778369 is a reply to message #778366 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:31

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I'm happy. god

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Now. As long as Matthews is off the score sheet. icon_biggrin

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778373 is a reply to message #778369 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:33

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watchman wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:31

I'm happy. god

god

Now. As long as Matthews is off the score sheet. icon_biggrin

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778378 is a reply to message #778373 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:41

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g2k wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:33

watchman wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:31

I'm happy. god

god

Now. As long as Matthews is off the score sheet. icon_biggrin

icon_biggrin

NYLANDER.

You called it!

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778383 is a reply to message #778378 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:44

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:41

g2k wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:33

watchman wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:31

I'm happy. god

god

Now. As long as Matthews is off the score sheet. icon_biggrin

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You called it!

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778370 is a reply to message #778366 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:32

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If the Oilers want to get Bouchard back in, give him Bear's spot. What the hell happened to him? He's been on for 3 against and has been poor since game 1.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778377 is a reply to message #778370 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:40

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:32

If the Oilers want to get Bouchard back in, give him Bear's spot. What the hell happened to him? He's been on for 3 against and has been poor since game 1.

Bear was fine last game.

And most of tonight's goals aren't on him. The one where they went wide and threw it out front, he stayed close enough to his guy, but Nurse and Draisaitl both were caught drifting and no one picked up anyone.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778385 is a reply to message #778377 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

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He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778386 is a reply to message #778385 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778394 is a reply to message #778386 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

I get that. But there are lies, damn lies and statistics - as the saying goes. Last game Bear was totally out of position on Nylander's goal (Bear was the right D and he pushed forward and left his position, which Nylander happily went through with the puck). I think some blamed Bouchard, but he was the only Oiler that was almost able to break up the play from his off-hand D position.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778398 is a reply to message #778394 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:03

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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

I get that. But there are lies, damn lies and statistics - as the saying goes. Last game Bear was totally out of position on Nylander's goal (Bear was the right D and he pushed forward and left his position, which Nylander happily went through with the puck). I think some blamed Bouchard, but he was the only Oiler that was almost able to break up the play from his off-hand D position.

That lies, damn lies is usually said by people who don't understand statistics. Every player makes mistakes in every game. Sometimes those end up as a goal against, and people tend to remember those things more than everything else that happens. However, if 95% of what that player does is good, then it outweighs the bad and that's how players should be judged.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778411 is a reply to message #778398 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:15

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:03

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

I get that. But there are lies, damn lies and statistics - as the saying goes. Last game Bear was totally out of position on Nylander's goal (Bear was the right D and he pushed forward and left his position, which Nylander happily went through with the puck). I think some blamed Bouchard, but he was the only Oiler that was almost able to break up the play from his off-hand D position.

That lies, damn lies is usually said by people who don't understand statistics. Every player makes mistakes in every game. Sometimes those end up as a goal against, and people tend to remember those things more than everything else that happens. However, if 95% of what that player does is good, then it outweighs the bad and that's how players should be judged.

I understand statistics quite well, thank you very much. Many stats in hockey are really either based on subjective judgements on point in time plays or quality of items based on position on the ice - I take many hockey "advanced stats" with a grain of salt - nothing really advanced about them, but that is another discussion - I have been watching Bear and his decision making doesn't seem up to the quality it was last year. He's getting caught out of position, making more mental mistakes, and just doesn't seem to have the strength he had last year. Also subjective, I know, based on my observations. Thanks for the insult though - I can see sometime why some posters here get pi$$ed at you. Having said all that - Bear should be in the lineup ahead of Russel for sure, so he's not hot garbage by any means... just not up to the standard he set last year in my estimation.

Oh, and I would also say that Mike Smith's stats are misleading and due mostly to small sample size - you would have to agree with me on that, yes?

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778420 is a reply to message #778411 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:24

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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:03

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

I get that. But there are lies, damn lies and statistics - as the saying goes. Last game Bear was totally out of position on Nylander's goal (Bear was the right D and he pushed forward and left his position, which Nylander happily went through with the puck). I think some blamed Bouchard, but he was the only Oiler that was almost able to break up the play from his off-hand D position.

That lies, damn lies is usually said by people who don't understand statistics. Every player makes mistakes in every game. Sometimes those end up as a goal against, and people tend to remember those things more than everything else that happens. However, if 95% of what that player does is good, then it outweighs the bad and that's how players should be judged.

I understand statistics quite well, thank you very much. Many stats in hockey are really either based on subjective judgements on point in time plays or quality of items based on position on the ice - I take many hockey "advanced stats" with a grain of salt - nothing really advanced about them, but that is another discussion - I have been watching Bear and his decision making doesn't seem up to the quality it was last year. He's getting caught out of position, making more mental mistakes, and just doesn't seem to have the strength he had last year. Also subjective, I know, based on my observations. Thanks for the insult though - I can see sometime why some posters here get pi$$ed at you. Having said all that - Bear should be in the lineup ahead of Russel for sure, so he's not hot garbage by any means... just not up to the standard he set last year in my estimation.

Oh, and I would also say that Mike Smith's stats are misleading and due mostly to small sample size - you would have to agree with me on that, yes?

Stats/Eye test/lies and such aside I can see how Bear has been polarizing.
To me he has looked like a young guy who is making young guy mistakes while being counted on for more than he can handle. Expectations were pretty high after he surprised everyone last year.
Throw in a concussion and I am not concerned too much about him.
As usual EVERY single defensemen is playing a minimum of one spot higher than they are capable of and it exposes them

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778424 is a reply to message #778420 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:28

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:24

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:03

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

I get that. But there are lies, damn lies and statistics - as the saying goes. Last game Bear was totally out of position on Nylander's goal (Bear was the right D and he pushed forward and left his position, which Nylander happily went through with the puck). I think some blamed Bouchard, but he was the only Oiler that was almost able to break up the play from his off-hand D position.

That lies, damn lies is usually said by people who don't understand statistics. Every player makes mistakes in every game. Sometimes those end up as a goal against, and people tend to remember those things more than everything else that happens. However, if 95% of what that player does is good, then it outweighs the bad and that's how players should be judged.

I understand statistics quite well, thank you very much. Many stats in hockey are really either based on subjective judgements on point in time plays or quality of items based on position on the ice - I take many hockey "advanced stats" with a grain of salt - nothing really advanced about them, but that is another discussion - I have been watching Bear and his decision making doesn't seem up to the quality it was last year. He's getting caught out of position, making more mental mistakes, and just doesn't seem to have the strength he had last year. Also subjective, I know, based on my observations. Thanks for the insult though - I can see sometime why some posters here get pi$$ed at you. Having said all that - Bear should be in the lineup ahead of Russel for sure, so he's not hot garbage by any means... just not up to the standard he set last year in my estimation.

Oh, and I would also say that Mike Smith's stats are misleading and due mostly to small sample size - you would have to agree with me on that, yes?

Stats/Eye test/lies and such aside I can see how Bear has been polarizing.
To me he has looked like a young guy who is making young guy mistakes while being counted on for more than he can handle. Expectations were pretty high after he surprised everyone last year.
Throw in a concussion and I am not concerned too much about him.
As usual EVERY single defensemen is playing a minimum of one spot higher than they are capable of and it exposes them

True, recency bias sees him really bad since coming back from his injury - the problem is he set our expectations too high after last year icon_biggrin

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... he should have saved some of that calm, skilled play for this year!

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778432 is a reply to message #778424 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 20:34

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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:28

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:24

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 21:15

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 20:03

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:58

Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:52

welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 19:49

He's been crap most of the year. Tonight he has been "also in picture" (when not in the penalty box).

It doesn't help that the refs can't seem to see fit to call anything against the makebeLeafs though, Ennis hooked off his feet prior to the last Leafs goal was a good example while that last penalty against the Oilers was an example of a Leaf getting a cheap call (yes, I think Marner dove).

The stats don't really bear out that Bear's been bad. His numbers suggest that when he's been in the lineup, he's generally been one of their top defenceman.

I get that. But there are lies, damn lies and statistics - as the saying goes. Last game Bear was totally out of position on Nylander's goal (Bear was the right D and he pushed forward and left his position, which Nylander happily went through with the puck). I think some blamed Bouchard, but he was the only Oiler that was almost able to break up the play from his off-hand D position.

That lies, damn lies is usually said by people who don't understand statistics. Every player makes mistakes in every game. Sometimes those end up as a goal against, and people tend to remember those things more than everything else that happens. However, if 95% of what that player does is good, then it outweighs the bad and that's how players should be judged.

I understand statistics quite well, thank you very much. Many stats in hockey are really either based on subjective judgements on point in time plays or quality of items based on position on the ice - I take many hockey "advanced stats" with a grain of salt - nothing really advanced about them, but that is another discussion - I have been watching Bear and his decision making doesn't seem up to the quality it was last year. He's getting caught out of position, making more mental mistakes, and just doesn't seem to have the strength he had last year. Also subjective, I know, based on my observations. Thanks for the insult though - I can see sometime why some posters here get pi$$ed at you. Having said all that - Bear should be in the lineup ahead of Russel for sure, so he's not hot garbage by any means... just not up to the standard he set last year in my estimation.

Oh, and I would also say that Mike Smith's stats are misleading and due mostly to small sample size - you would have to agree with me on that, yes?

Stats/Eye test/lies and such aside I can see how Bear has been polarizing.
To me he has looked like a young guy who is making young guy mistakes while being counted on for more than he can handle. Expectations were pretty high after he surprised everyone last year.
Throw in a concussion and I am not concerned too much about him.
As usual EVERY single defensemen is playing a minimum of one spot higher than they are capable of and it exposes them

True, recency bias sees him really bad since coming back from his injury - the problem is he set our expectations too high after last year icon_biggrin

icon_biggrin

... he should have saved some of that calm, skilled play for this year!

I hear ya. You, me and a lot of others had very high hopes for him this year. I wonder if he is in his own head a bit (no concussion pun intended). Last year he came in just keeping things simple and clawing for a spot in camp and then ice time.
This year a spot was expected and elevation up the lineup was all but assured. This might have him trying to do too much.

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778376 is a reply to message #778313 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:40

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Re: GDT: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #778382 is a reply to message #778376 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:43

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There was a lot more urgency after the OIL goal. It would have been interesting if they had made it 4-2. icon_nod

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