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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773803 is a reply to message #773801 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 21:41

g2k wrote on Tue, 26 January 2021 22:39

Gregor asked 97 if there was any conversation about the lack of a time out. What was the strategy there to keep going.

Connor paused then said aaahh....it’s not his field...you gotta ask someone else there. Then he briefly stated that Kass, Neal and Turr were going all night. It was brief.

I didn’t sense he was impressed.


He shouldn’t be impressed. Guarantee he wanted to stay out after that goal. But, coach didn’t want them out there for a full 2 minutes after a timeout. I can get why Tipp and co decided against it, but I don’t agree with it.


What puzzles me is how many times in the past have we seen 97 on the ice for entire powerplays? Quite often. It’s not ideal, but this situation was the end of a 1 goal game after a huge possible momentum changing goal.

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Defense is a joke. freaking Keystone cops.

Bottom six (except for Kassian) are an albatross around the neck of the team, how did the bottom 6 get worse than last year?

Turdis has nothing left, weak, slow =done
Khaira also done.. continuation of his AHL career awaits

Neal ? has the hands, but lost the wheels..

Archibald bringing nothing, worse than last year.

Kahun is making Toby Reider look like Sidney Crosby.

I cringe every time I see the #3 and #4 lines out there..

KoeKoek can't come back any sooner.
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Barrie, Jones, Larsson, Russell are all #7 d-men, but playing top 4.

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Nygard Draisaitl Yamo-Motor

RNH McDavid Puljujarvi

Kahun Haaaaaas Kassian

Neal Shore Archibald

(Turrdis sits)


Bear Nurse

Bouchard KoeKoek

KRussell Larsson (6 -7 pair)

Kahun has one assist in 8 games playing with Yamo and LD, time to change it up..


I'd actually prefer McLeod over Shore/Turris.. screw the over-ripen BS, he can skate in the NHL.. and he has size.. half the requirement

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773843 is a reply to message #773841 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:22

Nygard Draisaitl Yamo-Motor

RNH McDavid Puljujarvi

Kahun Haaaaaas Kassian

Neal Shore Archibald

(Turrdis sits)


Bear Nurse

Bouchard KoeKoek

KRussell Larsson (6 -7 pair)

Kahun has one assist in 8 games playing with Yamo and LD, time to change it up..


I'd actually prefer McLeod over Shore/Turris.. screw the over-ripen BS, he can skate in the NHL.. and he has size.. half the requirement



McLeod's already been assigned, so he's unlikely to be back any time soon.

Do we really need to do the "Turd"is thing? I hate to be overly nitpicky, but it just seems unnecessary to change our own players' names to try to make a schoolyard insult to the guy.

I'm pretty disappointed with the pickup so far too, but can we at least still let him have his actual name?

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773846 is a reply to message #773843 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:31

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:22

Nygard Draisaitl Yamo-Motor

RNH McDavid Puljujarvi

Kahun Haaaaaas Kassian

Neal Shore Archibald

(Turrdis sits)


Bear Nurse

Bouchard KoeKoek

KRussell Larsson (6 -7 pair)

Kahun has one assist in 8 games playing with Yamo and LD, time to change it up..


I'd actually prefer McLeod over Shore/Turris.. screw the over-ripen BS, he can skate in the NHL.. and he has size.. half the requirement



McLeod's already been assigned, so he's unlikely to be back any time soon.

Do we really need to do the "Turd"is thing? I hate to be overly nitpicky, but it just seems unnecessary to change our own players' names to try to make a schoolyard insult to the guy.

I'm pretty disappointed with the pickup so far too, but can we at least still let him have his actual name?

I am pretty surprised at Turris and Barrie.

I didn't expect Turris to be challenging for the selke but I didn't expect him to be a disaster like he's been so far. There is no reason why we can't be a decent 3rd line center. It's a matter of commitment to me.

Barrie I am quite surprised. I didn't expect him to come in and be a shut down dman, I expected him to just do his thing. Move the puck well, skate well, yes he will have the odd defensive mistake but the offense he should be able to generate both 5 on 5 and the PP should have been able to offset that. He doesn't appear to be doing anything he usually does. He's got 15 shots total. He's a shooting dman, where are the shots? Forget the PP, the Oilers PP hasn't had a dman as a focal point in I can't remember, maybe Pronger? I can't even remember seeing him do a stretch pass yet. That's his bread and butter I thought. I know the coaching staff is different and there would be different systems but I can't see the Oilers coaches telling Barrie "don't pass the puck or don't shoot when you have an open look." It's like he's paralyzed.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:46


I am pretty surprised at Turris and Barrie.

I didn't expect Turris to be challenging for the selke but I didn't expect him to be a disaster like he's been so far. There is no reason why we can't be a decent 3rd line center. It's a matter of commitment to me.

Barrie I am quite surprised. I didn't expect him to come in and be a shut down dman, I expected him to just do his thing. Move the puck well, skate well, yes he will have the odd defensive mistake but the offense he should be able to generate both 5 on 5 and the PP should have been able to offset that. He doesn't appear to be doing anything he usually does. He's got 15 shots total. He's a shooting dman, where are the shots? Forget the PP, the Oilers PP hasn't had a dman as a focal point in I can't remember, maybe Pronger? I can't even remember seeing him do a stretch pass yet. That's his bread and butter I thought. I know the coaching staff is different and there would be different systems but I can't see the Oilers coaches telling Barrie "don't pass the puck or don't shoot when you have an open look." It's like he's paralyzed.


It is interesting - the analytics crowd was pretty concerned with the Turris signing right away and so far, everything that they've said about him has turned out to be correct.

Barrie's definitely gotten off to a slow start. I do wish we had a more reliable partner for him than Kris Russell. Accepting that he's not going to be a star defensively, it's tough when his partner is doing things like whatever the hell he was doing on that 3rd goal last night.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773863 is a reply to message #773847 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:46


I am pretty surprised at Turris and Barrie.

I didn't expect Turris to be challenging for the selke but I didn't expect him to be a disaster like he's been so far. There is no reason why we can't be a decent 3rd line center. It's a matter of commitment to me.

Barrie I am quite surprised. I didn't expect him to come in and be a shut down dman, I expected him to just do his thing. Move the puck well, skate well, yes he will have the odd defensive mistake but the offense he should be able to generate both 5 on 5 and the PP should have been able to offset that. He doesn't appear to be doing anything he usually does. He's got 15 shots total. He's a shooting dman, where are the shots? Forget the PP, the Oilers PP hasn't had a dman as a focal point in I can't remember, maybe Pronger? I can't even remember seeing him do a stretch pass yet. That's his bread and butter I thought. I know the coaching staff is different and there would be different systems but I can't see the Oilers coaches telling Barrie "don't pass the puck or don't shoot when you have an open look." It's like he's paralyzed.


It is interesting - the analytics crowd was pretty concerned with the Turris signing right away and so far, everything that they've said about him has turned out to be correct.

Barrie's definitely gotten off to a slow start. I do wish we had a more reliable partner for him than Kris Russell. Accepting that he's not going to be a star defensively, it's tough when his partner is doing things like whatever the hell he was doing on that 3rd goal last night.

I didn't think Turris would be a defensive specialist nor do I think the Oilers signed him to be that. There were a lot of purely defensive guys available if defense was the only thing the Oilers wanted. I expected him to be more of offensive guy who would bring more scoring to the top 9 and not be a complete disaster defensively. So far, he's struggling way more than I think anyone expected.

I do agree that Russell is definitely not the idea partner. I do think that Barrie needs a more defensive guy with him. So Russell in that way meets that requirement to a degree but I think part of the issue is their size. Barrie is 5'11 197, Russell is 5'10, 170. So I see them getting out muscled and just the style of play that Russell has doesn't compliment Barrie well. I'd go back to Koekkoek with him, assuming Jones can settle down.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 15:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:46


I am pretty surprised at Turris and Barrie.

I didn't expect Turris to be challenging for the selke but I didn't expect him to be a disaster like he's been so far. There is no reason why we can't be a decent 3rd line center. It's a matter of commitment to me.

Barrie I am quite surprised. I didn't expect him to come in and be a shut down dman, I expected him to just do his thing. Move the puck well, skate well, yes he will have the odd defensive mistake but the offense he should be able to generate both 5 on 5 and the PP should have been able to offset that. He doesn't appear to be doing anything he usually does. He's got 15 shots total. He's a shooting dman, where are the shots? Forget the PP, the Oilers PP hasn't had a dman as a focal point in I can't remember, maybe Pronger? I can't even remember seeing him do a stretch pass yet. That's his bread and butter I thought. I know the coaching staff is different and there would be different systems but I can't see the Oilers coaches telling Barrie "don't pass the puck or don't shoot when you have an open look." It's like he's paralyzed.


It is interesting - the analytics crowd was pretty concerned with the Turris signing right away and so far, everything that they've said about him has turned out to be correct.

Barrie's definitely gotten off to a slow start. I do wish we had a more reliable partner for him than Kris Russell. Accepting that he's not going to be a star defensively, it's tough when his partner is doing things like whatever the hell he was doing on that 3rd goal last night.

I didn't think Turris would be a defensive specialist nor do I think the Oilers signed him to be that. There were a lot of purely defensive guys available if defense was the only thing the Oilers wanted. I expected him to be more of offensive guy who would bring more scoring to the top 9 and not be a complete disaster defensively. So far, he's struggling way more than I think anyone expected.

I do agree that Russell is definitely not the idea partner. I do think that Barrie needs a more defensive guy with him. So Russell in that way meets that requirement to a degree but I think part of the issue is their size. Barrie is 5'11 197, Russell is 5'10, 170. So I see them getting out muscled and just the style of play that Russell has doesn't compliment Barrie well. I'd go back to Koekkoek with him, assuming Jones can settle down.


That's the thing - it ISN'T more than anyone expected. The analytics guys were saying that Turris had been caved in the last couple of years, surrendering way more than he contributed.

If it's any worse, it's probably because as Kr55 has pointed out, the usage of Turris has been as a checking center - tough zone starts, sometimes against tough opposition. That's been a disaster (although there's not a lot of options if you want to give the o-zone starts to McDavid & Draisaitl's lines).

Still, that shouldn't come as a particular surprise. In no world were the Oilers planning to give their third line an offensive push with O-zone starts. (Worth noting, the high D-zone starts will tend to impact winning percentage of faceoffs, so the one thing I have basically zero concern with Turris on right now is that he's 48% on the dot).

I also don't think that size is the issue with Russell/Barrie. Russell didn't get out-muscled last night when he was a contributor to multiple goals against. He just didn't play things well - like when he made that wounded dolphin jump leading to goal #3. Russell blocks shots, but he's not a great defensive defenceman and hasn't been one for some time. He cedes zone possession, he cheats for blocks leaving him vulnerable to people passing past him or just turnstiling him, he struggles to do anything constructive with the puck much of the time if he doesn't have an easy D-to-D pass to make. His propensity for own goals isn't a coincidence, it's a result of bad decision making.

I do agree, Koekkoek, while not perfect, is a better fit with Barrie.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #8) [message #773874 is a reply to message #773868 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 16:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 15:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:56

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:46


I am pretty surprised at Turris and Barrie.

I didn't expect Turris to be challenging for the selke but I didn't expect him to be a disaster like he's been so far. There is no reason why we can't be a decent 3rd line center. It's a matter of commitment to me.

Barrie I am quite surprised. I didn't expect him to come in and be a shut down dman, I expected him to just do his thing. Move the puck well, skate well, yes he will have the odd defensive mistake but the offense he should be able to generate both 5 on 5 and the PP should have been able to offset that. He doesn't appear to be doing anything he usually does. He's got 15 shots total. He's a shooting dman, where are the shots? Forget the PP, the Oilers PP hasn't had a dman as a focal point in I can't remember, maybe Pronger? I can't even remember seeing him do a stretch pass yet. That's his bread and butter I thought. I know the coaching staff is different and there would be different systems but I can't see the Oilers coaches telling Barrie "don't pass the puck or don't shoot when you have an open look." It's like he's paralyzed.


It is interesting - the analytics crowd was pretty concerned with the Turris signing right away and so far, everything that they've said about him has turned out to be correct.

Barrie's definitely gotten off to a slow start. I do wish we had a more reliable partner for him than Kris Russell. Accepting that he's not going to be a star defensively, it's tough when his partner is doing things like whatever the hell he was doing on that 3rd goal last night.

I didn't think Turris would be a defensive specialist nor do I think the Oilers signed him to be that. There were a lot of purely defensive guys available if defense was the only thing the Oilers wanted. I expected him to be more of offensive guy who would bring more scoring to the top 9 and not be a complete disaster defensively. So far, he's struggling way more than I think anyone expected.

I do agree that Russell is definitely not the idea partner. I do think that Barrie needs a more defensive guy with him. So Russell in that way meets that requirement to a degree but I think part of the issue is their size. Barrie is 5'11 197, Russell is 5'10, 170. So I see them getting out muscled and just the style of play that Russell has doesn't compliment Barrie well. I'd go back to Koekkoek with him, assuming Jones can settle down.


That's the thing - it ISN'T more than anyone expected. The analytics guys were saying that Turris had been caved in the last couple of years, surrendering way more than he contributed.

If it's any worse, it's probably because as Kr55 has pointed out, the usage of Turris has been as a checking center - tough zone starts, sometimes against tough opposition. That's been a disaster (although there's not a lot of options if you want to give the o-zone starts to McDavid & Draisaitl's lines).

Still, that shouldn't come as a particular surprise. In no world were the Oilers planning to give their third line an offensive push with O-zone starts. (Worth noting, the high D-zone starts will tend to impact winning percentage of faceoffs, so the one thing I have basically zero concern with Turris on right now is that he's 48% on the dot).

I also don't think that size is the issue with Russell/Barrie. Russell didn't get out-muscled last night when he was a contributor to multiple goals against. He just didn't play things well - like when he made that wounded dolphin jump leading to goal #3. Russell blocks shots, but he's not a great defensive defenceman and hasn't been one for some time. He cedes zone possession, he cheats for blocks leaving him vulnerable to people passing past him or just turnstiling him, he struggles to do anything constructive with the puck much of the time if he doesn't have an easy D-to-D pass to make. His propensity for own goals isn't a coincidence, it's a result of bad decision making.

I do agree, Koekkoek, while not perfect, is a better fit with Barrie.


I'm starting to worry we may actually have a worse bottom 6 than last year. You really have to hope that Turris can somehow cancel out his inability in his own end with some offense, and I'm really doubting he has that in him. We have really increased the ineptness defensively in the bottom 6 and may not have upgraded the offensive ability much at all. Does Neal-Sheahan-Kassian come out better in GF% than Neal-Turris-Kassian? I don't think I would bet against that.

Sheahan in 66 games last year had 17GF and 37GA. that's bad, obviously. Turris is currently pacing for 7GF and 56 GA in 56 games. Sheahan was a black hole offensively, but the guy could actually pick up his man now and then in his own zone. We're basically depending on a Gagner now to be the C playing whatever minutes come our way while McDavid and Drai need to rest.

Sucks to keep hoping guys will be something different than they have shown themselves to be to help us successful fill a gaping hole in our lineup.

And lol at Sheahan having 1 more point than Turris and being +1 right now playing for the Sabers.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 27 January 2021 12:22

Nygard Draisaitl Yamo-Motor

RNH McDavid Puljujarvi

Kahun Haaaaaas Kassian

Neal Shore Archibald

(Turrdis sits)


Bear Nurse

Bouchard KoeKoek

KRussell Larsson (6 -7 pair)

Kahun has one assist in 8 games playing with Yamo and LD, time to change it up..


I'd actually prefer McLeod over Shore/Turris.. screw the over-ripen BS, he can skate in the NHL.. and he has size.. half the requirement


I disagree with you on Kahun. I know he isn't putting up big points right now but that line is really working well. They are usually the best line for the Oilers. Leon is +6, Yamo is +6, Kahun is +2. I don't think +/- is the end all be all but when you are a plus player, it means you are on the ice more than they are off. The Oilers as a team are -6 goal diff and everyone on that line is a plus player. That line is rarely in their own zone at all and they are typically generating, way, way more scoring chances than giving up. He's not cashing in on his opportunities but he's clearly doing something right to help the line. I don't think you should be breaking up one of their few working lines.

If you look at the lines that are on for goals against, it's the 3rd line the most, then the 4th, then McD's.

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@Woodguy55 posted this today:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Esv1aXYVcAIh3hF?format=png&name=small

Like I saying, the Draisaitl line is due to come back to Earth at some point. Puljujarvi and Kassian have probably been a bit unlucky so far. Khaira should probably not play another game unless there are a series of catastrophic injuries. Russel, Turris, Ennis, Shore and Chiasson have just been dead weight up to this point.

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