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I see roughly 3 scenarios that the NHL should prepare for.


1) Optimistic Scenario - NHL resumes in May/June/July.

2) Non-Ideal Scenario - NHL resumes in September/October.

3) Worst case Scenario - NHL resumes past October.


There is a lot of room for creativity to handle these. Lot's of ideas are going around and while we have down time I think we should discuss them.




I definitely think that the NHL has to award the cup for scenarios 1 and 2. I think they should do everything they can to award 2 cups by the 2021 summer. My best ideas thus far:


1) NHL resumes in May/June/July - 16 team playoff based on points percentage. Make some series best of 3 or 5 as needed. Cup final has to be best of 7. I've heard some talk of an expanded playoffs, I am not sure I like the idea but the league is going to need revenue. I am open to it.


2) NHL resumes in September/October - This is a bit crazy, here is my idea.

First half - September/October to December-ish.

16 team playoffs happen as normal (7 game series) based on points percentage of the postponed season. NHL awards the first cup in December. While this is happening, the other 15 teams play for an additional and guaranteed 2 playoff spots in the second season playoffs in April/May. Perhaps one from each conference.

Second Half - January to June

The next season starts in January. A shortened 40-48 game season is played lock-out style for 16 playoff spots. Once playoff starts, we'll have 18 teams in (2 additional from the first half). 8/9 in each conference play some sort of mini-playoff (2 game cumulative goal total or best of 3) to get the last spot on the conference. Then do 16 team playoffs as normal from there. Award second cup in June

Why this could work? 2 cups are awarded is the main thing, gives non-playoff teams revenues after losing out on playoffs and end of the last season. Guarantees every team plays at least 60+ games in the year.

Why this couldn't work? Don't ask questions.


3) NHL resumes past October.

I honestly don't know. It seems like such a shame to throw away the season but it might be the only thing they can do.



Anyway, I'd like to hear some ideas. It sounds like everything is on the table for the NHL and while it sucks that there is no hockey, I have a feeling that something extra interesting will come out of the next 18 months. Expanded playoffs, mini-series...I'm excited.

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 Re: Let's Hear Your Ideas: Post-Pandemic NHL Scenarios [message #758106 is a reply to message #758091 ]
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Yes, indeed. No hockey all of a sudden sucks. The Oilers of 2019-20 were a solid yet shaky bunch, and were going to give us a real roller coaster ride; hopefully a long one. Now it's just a mysterious mess.

Smyth 360 has done a great job of covering the various scenarios, and his ideas make sense. The only question I would add is what cachet will the NHL and hockey have when all of the wide world of sports is rolling again? For instance, if things get going in late summer, can the NHL start up schedules out of their usual seasons if the NFL 2020 schedule rolls out as scheduled and doesn't miss a beat?

Japan is taking a lot of heat for saying the 2020 Olympics will proceed as scheduled, while right now training facilities for the athletes are shut down. If they are held this summer, they will capture attention in North America and the world, pushing NHL hockey significantly into the back ground.

Lots of events are cancelled and gone forever. I love getting up early on a morning in May and watching the IIHF Tournament from Europe, and that is cancelled.

Formula 1, the PGA tour, NBA, MLB, all the European soccer leagues etc. are facing just as many of the same issues as the NHL. I expect they will try to fit in as many events as they can in this calendar year. I'll stay tuned to see how the NHL fares if and when things start up again.




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Even though they seem to be having the most Coronavirus cases, but I could see the NBA starting up first. I think the rest of team played sports will follow suit and our playoffs/season will mimic theirs.




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Based on what I'm hearing, don't expect anything earlier than October. Maybe even later. This isn't a few weeks or a month. This is a year or more with periods of decreased cases and then more upswings... after this current break out period is even brought under control which in itself will be a few months.

The virus is spread everywhere. And with it's long incubation period of two weeks, during which the host is contagious, it won't slow down until the population has got it and built up an immunity or a vaccine has been proven and produced & distributed at a massive scale.



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nullterm wrote on Sun, 22 March 2020 18:57

Based on what I'm hearing, don't expect anything earlier than October. Maybe even later. This isn't a few weeks or a month. This is a year or more with periods of decreased cases and then more upswings... after this current break out period is even brought under control which in itself will be a few months.

The virus is spread everywhere. And with it's long incubation period of two weeks, during which the host is contagious, it won't slow down until the population has got it and built up an immunity or a vaccine has been proven and produced & distributed at a massive scale.

Canada is noping out of the Olympics, scheduled for late July. The NHL seems less and less likely.

I'd bet on Tokyo 2021 over Tokyo 2020 at this point.



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I know it's still March but I think the NHL needs to be realistic and forget about finishing the regular season and focus on holding some kind of a shortened playoffs. Most teams have played around 70 games so 85% of the season has played. Call that good. To not have a playoff and not hand out the cup would be really rough. The playoffs is their showcase and they need it both financially and for the growth of the game.

So I would focus right now with the players on coming up with a system where they can expand the playoffs in some way to help resolve any close battles. Once you resolve who is either already in the playoffs or who is in the play in games, focus on those teams. Do the Wings need to play or go to training camp? No they don't. So if you are out, you are done for the year. They will need a training camp to get guys up to speed again and then all team probably need a few games to knock off the rust but keep them to a minimum. We've talked about mini play in tournaments or something similar. I think they need to lower the games played in ALL playoff rounds. They need to minimized the impact of next season as well. So adjustments may need to be made to next years schedule to reduce games if it goes too long.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 22 March 2020 21:14

nullterm wrote on Sun, 22 March 2020 18:57

Based on what I'm hearing, don't expect anything earlier than October. Maybe even later. This isn't a few weeks or a month. This is a year or more with periods of decreased cases and then more upswings... after this current break out period is even brought under control which in itself will be a few months.

The virus is spread everywhere. And with it's long incubation period of two weeks, during which the host is contagious, it won't slow down until the population has got it and built up an immunity or a vaccine has been proven and produced & distributed at a massive scale.

Canada is noping out of the Olympics, scheduled for late July. The NHL seems less and less likely.

I'd bet on Tokyo 2021 over Tokyo 2020 at this point.


I wonder if you could play an empty buildings NHL playoff. You could possibly keep the players somewhat isolated to try to prevent spread through the league. Fly charters, stay at designated spots...

Might be a really tough sell though, and empty buildings means forgoing some revenues while still having a lot of the expense.

NHLPA apparently was proposing finishing the season in the summer, having the playoffs maybe in to September and then having a shortened break for the draft, free agency, etc. They wanted to find a way to get all the games in because that limits the loss of their escrow, which will be almost all re-absorbed if season is scrapped.

I do notice though that there's not been a lot of communication from the Oilers about what they're doing with the money for all these cancelled games. I certainly haven't seen money back yet...



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Adam wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 10:25


I do notice though that there's not been a lot of communication from the Oilers about what they're doing with the money for all these cancelled games. I certainly haven't seen money back yet...

Postponed isn't cancelled. :)

I wonder if the NHL has told everyone to shut up assuming that people will say something embarrassing or stupid.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 10:49

Adam wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 10:25


I do notice though that there's not been a lot of communication from the Oilers about what they're doing with the money for all these cancelled games. I certainly haven't seen money back yet...

Postponed isn't cancelled. :)

I wonder if the NHL has told everyone to shut up assuming that people will say something embarrassing or stupid.


Given how badly the teams all handled the part-time employees thing, I think it's a virtual certainty the NHL would prefer they keep quiet and wait for instruction from Bill Daly and Gary Bettman.



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From NHL.com.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-update-regarding-covid-19-pause /c-316255816

"Has any decision been made regarding whether the remainder of the regular season will be played? Has any decision been made regarding what form the Stanley Cup Playoffs would take?

No. The form and format of resumption of play scenarios will depend entirely on what transpires between now and when we are permitted and able to resume -- and, ultimately, on timing and taking into account logistical constraints. We are going to have to be flexible and react to events as they unfold as well as the best medical advice available.



Will games resume in arena venues that are closed to the public?

It is premature to say what the circumstances would be for resumption of play, but we are prepared to follow the direction of relevant health authorities.



If the NHL playoffs go into July and/or August, could there be a shortened regular season next year?

No. We do not anticipate a scenario in our resumption of play format that would endanger or interfere with the League's ability to stage and execute the 2020-21 NHL season in its entirety."

Maybe some furter information will come from the owners meeting today.




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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 12:41

From NHL.com.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-update-regarding-covid-19-pause /c-316255816

"Has any decision been made regarding whether the remainder of the regular season will be played? Has any decision been made regarding what form the Stanley Cup Playoffs would take?

No. The form and format of resumption of play scenarios will depend entirely on what transpires between now and when we are permitted and able to resume -- and, ultimately, on timing and taking into account logistical constraints. We are going to have to be flexible and react to events as they unfold as well as the best medical advice available.



Will games resume in arena venues that are closed to the public?

It is premature to say what the circumstances would be for resumption of play, but we are prepared to follow the direction of relevant health authorities.



If the NHL playoffs go into July and/or August, could there be a shortened regular season next year?

No. We do not anticipate a scenario in our resumption of play format that would endanger or interfere with the League's ability to stage and execute the 2020-21 NHL season in its entirety."

Maybe some furter information will come from the owners meeting today.


Pretty much what you'd expect as far as answers. Saying anything about a shortened season next year impacts season tickets and revenues - so they'll say for now that that's not on the table - even though everything is likely on the table still.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 13:27

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 12:41

From NHL.com.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-update-regarding-covid-19-pause /c-316255816

"Has any decision been made regarding whether the remainder of the regular season will be played? Has any decision been made regarding what form the Stanley Cup Playoffs would take?

No. The form and format of resumption of play scenarios will depend entirely on what transpires between now and when we are permitted and able to resume -- and, ultimately, on timing and taking into account logistical constraints. We are going to have to be flexible and react to events as they unfold as well as the best medical advice available.



Will games resume in arena venues that are closed to the public?

It is premature to say what the circumstances would be for resumption of play, but we are prepared to follow the direction of relevant health authorities.



If the NHL playoffs go into July and/or August, could there be a shortened regular season next year?

No. We do not anticipate a scenario in our resumption of play format that would endanger or interfere with the League's ability to stage and execute the 2020-21 NHL season in its entirety."

Maybe some furter information will come from the owners meeting today.


Pretty much what you'd expect as far as answers. Saying anything about a shortened season next year impacts season tickets and revenues - so they'll say for now that that's not on the table - even though everything is likely on the table still.

At least they're not pretending everything will go on as planned like the Olympics people. They weren't even considering a postponement until, well, it was postponed. I think it's pretty unlikely we'll see restrictions lifted to allow for gathering of two hockey teams / 50 people before July 1.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 14:55

Adam wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 13:27

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 12:41

From NHL.com.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-update-regarding-covid-19-pause /c-316255816

"Has any decision been made regarding whether the remainder of the regular season will be played? Has any decision been made regarding what form the Stanley Cup Playoffs would take?

No. The form and format of resumption of play scenarios will depend entirely on what transpires between now and when we are permitted and able to resume -- and, ultimately, on timing and taking into account logistical constraints. We are going to have to be flexible and react to events as they unfold as well as the best medical advice available.



Will games resume in arena venues that are closed to the public?

It is premature to say what the circumstances would be for resumption of play, but we are prepared to follow the direction of relevant health authorities.



If the NHL playoffs go into July and/or August, could there be a shortened regular season next year?

No. We do not anticipate a scenario in our resumption of play format that would endanger or interfere with the League's ability to stage and execute the 2020-21 NHL season in its entirety."

Maybe some furter information will come from the owners meeting today.


Pretty much what you'd expect as far as answers. Saying anything about a shortened season next year impacts season tickets and revenues - so they'll say for now that that's not on the table - even though everything is likely on the table still.

At least they're not pretending everything will go on as planned like the Olympics people. They weren't even considering a postponement until, well, it was postponed. I think it's pretty unlikely we'll see restrictions lifted to allow for gathering of two hockey teams / 50 people before July 1.

They should just include corona in the competitive aspect of the game. everyone gets tested before the game. You are only allowed to play 2 infected guys at a time and their job is to infect the other team’s best guys. No spitting or licking.



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Although with rapid testing becoming more available, it might be possible for the players to safely interact with each other within a few months, I just don't see opening buildings up to 20,000 fans anytime soon. Therefore, I think the 2019/20 season and postseason is a write-off. My best guess right now is a condensed 2020/21 season without a bye week or all start game starting in late 2020. There will also be a variety of infection control methods in place in the arena whenever fans get back.


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Pseudoreality wrote on Tue, 24 March 2020 17:07

Although with rapid testing becoming more available, it might be possible for the players to safely interact with each other within a few months, I just don't see opening buildings up to 20,000 fans anytime soon. Therefore, I think the 2019/20 season and postseason is a write-off. My best guess right now is a condensed 2020/21 season without a bye week or all start game starting in late 2020. There will also be a variety of infection control methods in place in the arena whenever fans get back.


What do you do if someone contracts the disease on a team though? You'd have to quarantine the whole bunch. It's a challenge even with empty buildings.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 11:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 10:49

Adam wrote on Mon, 23 March 2020 10:25


I do notice though that there's not been a lot of communication from the Oilers about what they're doing with the money for all these cancelled games. I certainly haven't seen money back yet...

Postponed isn't cancelled. :)

I wonder if the NHL has told everyone to shut up assuming that people will say something embarrassing or stupid.


Given how badly the teams all handled the part-time employees thing, I think it's a virtual certainty the NHL would prefer they keep quiet and wait for instruction from Bill Daly and Gary Bettman.

If I worked for a team, I wouldn't say anything right now either because things change virtually daily. What you say today could be obsolete tomorrow.



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I think this season is toast. USA isn't gonna be out of the woods any time soon, especially if they reduce social distancing measures to try to get the economy running again. New season hopefully starts in October.

And I don't want McDavid anywhere near the risk of getting COVID-19. Dude is wasted by flu's every year. Too risky!

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I think finishing the regular season is a pipe dream. You could maybe fit in a shortened playoffs.


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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 March 2020 18:21

I think this season is toast. USA isn't gonna be out of the woods any time soon, especially if they reduce social distancing measures to try to get the economy running again. New season hopefully starts in October.

And I don't want McDavid anywhere near the risk of getting COVID-19. Dude is wasted by flu's every year. Too risky!


Sadly this is the reality. There will be no hockey until October, if not then then in early 2021 as we may have a 2nd wave of the pandemic.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 March 2020 18:21

I think this season is toast. USA isn't gonna be out of the woods any time soon, especially if they reduce social distancing measures to try to get the economy running again. New season hopefully starts in October.

And I don't want McDavid anywhere near the risk of getting COVID-19. Dude is wasted by flu's every year. Too risky!


But we'll get those churches full by April! Why wouldn't you want to fill arenas right after that?



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Adam wrote on Thu, 26 March 2020 12:28

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 24 March 2020 18:21

I think this season is toast. USA isn't gonna be out of the woods any time soon, especially if they reduce social distancing measures to try to get the economy running again. New season hopefully starts in October.

And I don't want McDavid anywhere near the risk of getting COVID-19. Dude is wasted by flu's every year. Too risky!


But we'll get those churches full by April! Why wouldn't you want to fill arenas right after that?

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I don't love the idea of wildcards being determined by point percentages (I don't mind the three division leaders being slotted by point percentage though). What I'd rather see is a Wildcard Week where the five teams in each conference battle for the two wildcard spots:

West (playoff teams): St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, Edmonton, Vancouver
East (playoff teams): Boston, Tampa, Carolina, Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh

West (wildcard week): Calgary, Winnipeg, Nashville, Minnesota, Arizona
East (wildcard week): Toronto, Columbus, NYI, NYR, Florida

From there, we'd have reduced series, ideally Best of 5 and then Best of 7 for the Cup Final.

I'm also open to hosting the games at a neutral site or at a couple of different sites to eliminate the travel (mostly because I think Canada could be in a much better position to move forward this summer than the States). Perhaps no fans, and the Western Conference playoffs take place in Edmonton/Winnipeg and the Eastern Conference playoffs take place in Ottawa/Quebec City.

A final option is a tournament style, similar to what we see in the Olympics or the World Cup of Hockey. Perhaps even a March Madness type bracket where it's a one game elimination.

I do believe that there is a way to present the Stanley Cup for this season, though it may look very different than it ever has before.



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Some sober thoughts from Greg Wyshynski.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/28955155/cancel-nhl-regu lar-season-already

I'm really curious - who makes it in the West with points percentage as the final arbiter? How do you settle tie-breakers? There's so many teams so close, and playoffs is a lot of money - is there a possibility of a team suing the league if they think they're unfairly excluded from the post-season?



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 26 March 2020 13:03

I don't love the idea of wildcards being determined by point percentages (I don't mind the three division leaders being slotted by point percentage though). What I'd rather see is a Wildcard Week where the five teams in each conference battle for the two wildcard spots:

West (playoff teams): St. Louis, Colorado, Dallas, Vegas, Edmonton, Vancouver
East (playoff teams): Boston, Tampa, Carolina, Washington, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh

West (wildcard week): Calgary, Winnipeg, Nashville, Minnesota, Arizona
East (wildcard week): Toronto, Columbus, NYI, NYR, Florida

From there, we'd have reduced series, ideally Best of 5 and then Best of 7 for the Cup Final.

I'm also open to hosting the games at a neutral site or at a couple of different sites to eliminate the travel (mostly because I think Canada could be in a much better position to move forward this summer than the States). Perhaps no fans, and the Western Conference playoffs take place in Edmonton/Winnipeg and the Eastern Conference playoffs take place in Ottawa/Quebec City.


Not terribly far off. Mine would have been 22 teams (no Chicago, no Montreal), and would have advanced all three divisional leaders to the playoffs (better for Edmonton, Vancouver, Carolina and Pittsburgh, same for everyone else). Mine would have been a mini-touramnet of four games per team where the wildcard teams played each other rather than a Best of Five series against just one opponent.

I like that they are going Best of 7 for each round outside of the play-in, but I think that is the only thing I like better about the NHL's 24 team format. I think what we have is probably less fair to at least four teams.

Locations to be determined, but if they don't do natural site games in Canada (Edmonton and Vancouver), they aren't giving themselves the best chance to get through this safely and healthy.



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Apparently the NBA is strongly considering just cancelling the season.

Trump is supposed to have a call today with all major league commissioners today, Bettman included.

I'm feeling less optimistic about things.



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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 12:49

Apparently the NBA is strongly considering just cancelling the season.

Trump is supposed to have a call today with all major league commissioners today, Bettman included.

I'm feeling less optimistic about things.


I would prefer they finished this season no matter the timeline and then shortening next season as much as needed. But I suppose that would be a big fight with the NHLPA. They aren't paid for playoffs, so they would like to ensure next season has as many game as possible to ensure players are paid as much as possible. Doubt they would like giving up next season games for playoffs.



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I won't guess that Trump's crystal ball is a better insight into the future, but here is what came out of his conference call with the leaders of the professional sports leagues.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/u-s-president-trump-sche duled-call-major-league-sports-

"U.S. President Donald Trump told major-league sports commissioners on a call Saturday afternoon that he hoped to have fans back in stadiums and arenas by August and September, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter and Adrian Wojnarowski.

Trump reportedly also said he believe the NFL season “should start on time in September."

Your guess is as good as Trump's.




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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 13:20

I won't guess that Trump's crystal ball is a better insight into the future, but here is what came out of his conference call with the leaders of the professional sports leagues.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/u-s-president-trump-sche duled-call-major-league-sports-

"U.S. President Donald Trump told major-league sports commissioners on a call Saturday afternoon that he hoped to have fans back in stadiums and arenas by August and September, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter and Adrian Wojnarowski.

Trump reportedly also said he believe the NFL season “should start on time in September."

Your guess is as good as Trump's.

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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 13:20

I won't guess that Trump's crystal ball is a better insight into the future, but here is what came out of his conference call with the leaders of the professional sports leagues.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/u-s-president-trump-sche duled-call-major-league-sports-

"U.S. President Donald Trump told major-league sports commissioners on a call Saturday afternoon that he hoped to have fans back in stadiums and arenas by August and September, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter and Adrian Wojnarowski.

Trump reportedly also said he believe the NFL season “should start on time in September."

Your guess is as good as Trump's.


MLB is going to lose a season then. No CFL this summer, I don't imagine. If people can't get out and do much this summer, there will be some stir-craziness. I can hunker inside in the winter without being out in garbage weather, but spring and summer? Gonna be tough.




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I thought I remember hearing someone who is far smarter and more knowledgeable than the rest of us telling us that once warm weather came around this virus was just going to disappear like magic. There is no way that was bad information was it? lmao


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 11:55

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 12:49

Apparently the NBA is strongly considering just cancelling the season.

Trump is supposed to have a call today with all major league commissioners today, Bettman included.

I'm feeling less optimistic about things.


I would prefer they finished this season no matter the timeline and then shortening next season as much as needed. But I suppose that would be a big fight with the NHLPA. They aren't paid for playoffs, so they would like to ensure next season has as many game as possible to ensure players are paid as much as possible. Doubt they would like giving up next season games for playoffs.


Yeah I think they gotta do whatever is necessary to award a cup somehow. I don't care if that happens in December. Hopefully the NHLPA and NHL can come to some understanding and creatively award a cup, whenever that is.



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Since hockey has been cancelled, my kids and I have been working out more together and doing our own sports.

I can only imagine that once the NHL's back, I'll have dramatically less interest, other than interpreting the game stats.



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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 14:19

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 11:55

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 12:49

Apparently the NBA is strongly considering just cancelling the season.

Trump is supposed to have a call today with all major league commissioners today, Bettman included.

I'm feeling less optimistic about things.


I would prefer they finished this season no matter the timeline and then shortening next season as much as needed. But I suppose that would be a big fight with the NHLPA. They aren't paid for playoffs, so they would like to ensure next season has as many game as possible to ensure players are paid as much as possible. Doubt they would like giving up next season games for playoffs.


Yeah I think they gotta do whatever is necessary to award a cup somehow. I don't care if that happens in December. Hopefully the NHLPA and NHL can come to some understanding and creatively award a cup, whenever that is.


I look at the amount of money that Rogers and NBC stand to lose with no end to this season and yikes...

I think NBC pushes more than Rogers to get a season finished. Losing the Olympics, possibly Notre Dame football (I'll be amazed if any NCAA football happens) and the remainder of hockey in the same summer? That would hurt.

The 24 team idea was fun but for time sake I see them just going with 16 teams but first and 2nd rounds are either Best of 3 or Best of 5. Can see Conf Finals and the Cup going back to 7 games.





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Teammate Avry wrote on Sat, 18 April 2020 19:49

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 14:19

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 11:55

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 04 April 2020 12:49

Apparently the NBA is strongly considering just cancelling the season.

Trump is supposed to have a call today with all major league commissioners today, Bettman included.

I'm feeling less optimistic about things.


I would prefer they finished this season no matter the timeline and then shortening next season as much as needed. But I suppose that would be a big fight with the NHLPA. They aren't paid for playoffs, so they would like to ensure next season has as many game as possible to ensure players are paid as much as possible. Doubt they would like giving up next season games for playoffs.


Yeah I think they gotta do whatever is necessary to award a cup somehow. I don't care if that happens in December. Hopefully the NHLPA and NHL can come to some understanding and creatively award a cup, whenever that is.


I look at the amount of money that Rogers and NBC stand to lose with no end to this season and yikes...

I think NBC pushes more than Rogers to get a season finished. Losing the Olympics, possibly Notre Dame football (I'll be amazed if any NCAA football happens) and the remainder of hockey in the same summer? That would hurt.

The 24 team idea was fun but for time sake I see them just going with 16 teams but first and 2nd rounds are either Best of 3 or Best of 5. Can see Conf Finals and the Cup going back to 7 games.





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Take this with a MAJOR grain of salt because it sure sounds like there is a lot of logistics to figure out before the NHL resumes, but John Scott tweeted this out an hour ago:

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Just got word that the NHL camps will begin again June 1... European players are coming back soon #breaking


I'll believe it when I hear the NHL confirm it. Or Bob McKenzie.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 24 April 2020 18:47

Take this with a MAJOR grain of salt because it sure sounds like there is a lot of logistics to figure out before the NHL resumes, but John Scott tweeted this out an hour ago:

Quote:

John Scott @johnscott_32
Just got word that the NHL camps will begin again June 1... European players are coming back soon #breaking


I'll believe it when I hear the NHL confirm it. Or Bob McKenzie.


Fingers crossed!

Heard some bummer talk on the radio where there was speculation that if Edmonton was picked as a location that the Oilers wouldn't actually play here because it would be an unfair advantage. Teams would all have to play in an "away" type setting :( Hope that doesn't end up being the case, although it makes sense.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 24 April 2020 19:28

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 24 April 2020 18:47

Take this with a MAJOR grain of salt because it sure sounds like there is a lot of logistics to figure out before the NHL resumes, but John Scott tweeted this out an hour ago:

Quote:

John Scott @johnscott_32
Just got word that the NHL camps will begin again June 1... European players are coming back soon #breaking


I'll believe it when I hear the NHL confirm it. Or Bob McKenzie.


Fingers crossed!

Heard some bummer talk on the radio where there was speculation that if Edmonton was picked as a location that the Oilers wouldn't actually play here because it would be an unfair advantage. Teams would all have to play in an "away" type setting :( Hope that doesn't end up being the case, although it makes sense.


I don't think there would be much of an advantage besides being familiar with the building. I don't think they could leave to their homes and come back... if it's going to happen, it's going to need to be as a self-contained bubble as much as possible. I expected all teams, staff, TV crews, hotel staff, league staff, etc. to be bunkered up in the JW Marriott and travel between Archetype, the Community Rink, Rogers Place, and the JW. Maybe they open up the Grand Villa Casino and Match.

People were mentioning how it would be an economic gain for the city, and there would be some, but I can't imagine it spilling over too much. The J.W. Marriott would be busy and fully staffed, but I can't see a scenerio where people are free to roam around downtown going to restaurants and bars. I think it'll be a pretty locked down.

And if that's the case, I don't know that it really advantages the Oilers all that much.

The one thing I'm not sure about is how they would rework the schedule. The Oilers were right about to go on an Eastern road trip to Washington, Philadelphia, and Ottawa, and only actually had about 5 games left against the Pacific, even though they had 11 games left. I'm sure that's not the same for everyone. Were they actually planning on finishing the season, and if so, how do you make that jive with the schedule? Do they change it up so that they are playing more games against divisional opponents this year, but finish with 82 games? Or do they jump right into the playoffs.

I still tend to think a wildcard week where the five bubble teams in the East and West duke it out for the final spots is probably the best option and then jump into the playoffs. But I also wouldn't mind seeing Connor McDavid hitting 100 points and Draisaitl continuing to stretch career marks for himself as well.

It'll be interesting.



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Spector weighs in on the post-COVID hockey plans.

I have to say, if I'm a player, I'm arguing hard for a place without jock taxes and with as little state tax as possible. You're going to get about 10% of your pay there, so you would ideally like it to be in a place where as little of that as possible goes to the government by way of tax - Especially knowing that you're never seeing your escrow money this year. That's long gone.

I think it makes little sense to involve a lot of 6th seeds - That seems silly. The Ducks were sitting 11 points back of a playoff spot with 11 games to go. They're five points back of the 7th-in-the-Central Blackhawks, and yet they'd get playoff games and the chance at a Cinderella run? Talk about an asterisk.

It'll be interesting to see what falls out of all this.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 April 2020 17:48

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-needs-teams-bidding- host-isolated-games/

Spector weighs in on the post-COVID hockey plans.

I have to say, if I'm a player, I'm arguing hard for a place without jock taxes and with as little state tax as possible. You're going to get about 10% of your pay there, so you would ideally like it to be in a place where as little of that as possible goes to the government by way of tax - Especially knowing that you're never seeing your escrow money this year. That's long gone.

I think it makes little sense to involve a lot of 6th seeds - That seems silly. The Ducks were sitting 11 points back of a playoff spot with 11 games to go. They're five points back of the 7th-in-the-Central Blackhawks, and yet they'd get playoff games and the chance at a Cinderella run? Talk about an asterisk.

It'll be interesting to see what falls out of all this.


I think I'm okay with the proposal. Sure, Buffalo and Anaheim probably shouldn't be there, but it also should be a cake walk for the #3 seed to walk through them. And it's not like every other year when it is "normal" there isn't someone screaming it is unfair because a team in the West that makes it has fewer point than a team in the East or whatever.

I don't think there is any perfect solution; scaling back point to a certain game mark or using winning percentage has flaws just the same as this does. But it does reward the #1 and #2 seed with essentially a bye to the second round, and it should give the #3 seed a fairly easy warmup series against the #6 seed. #4 and #5 should be a battle because they likely were in competition for the final spot anyway.

I understand the drawbacks, but it's as good as anything I've heard proposed so far.

Put another way, it probably lets a couple teams in that shouldn't be there, but it doesn't keep any teams out that should be there (NYR weren't making it anyway, despite how that fanbase will protest this).

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