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 Re: Chia's next trade [message #727428 is a reply to message #727426 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:39

In my opinion the Oilers need to be making trades for guys that fill a role and are for guys that they can keep. Either with term or they can resign who have game left. If pie in the sky you can get a Tarasenko. You have a top 6 guy who is with you for several years. Then you have:
McDavid & Leon
Nuge & Tarasenko

That's the makings for a pretty good top 6. Then hopefully you can go out and sign another Chiasson to fill in the other wing spot.


Would agree, pie in the sky for sure. Would be absolutely amazing, though likelihood of this happening are pretty slim.

If I'm Chiarelli, I'm trying to sign Chiasson to a team friendly extension already.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:32

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:24

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

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If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.


I've professed my love for Ferland in an Oilers jersey numerous times. SHOULDN'T cost a first for him alone.


Shouldn't, but Chia premium probably does make it cost that. We have to give teams players they covet to take their cap dumps. Most recent example of the Chia premium.

Noted, and agreed. However, Ferland isn't a cap dump for them. It's been said the past couple weeks that they don't want to see him walk without getting anything for him, if they can't resign him. Word is they are far apart and are listening to trade offers.

That's where I think if they are to package him with a defenceman, say Hamilton (who is rumoured available), then you put a package together and pull the trigger. If possible, unloading Lucic there would be big time. Though I can't see it. So then I look at the tweet that lit this place on fire this morning and think hmm... Carolina could use a goalie as they're in the same situation as we are in that department (both UFA end of season). This is where I would look to see if Talbot/Koskinen would be a fit. Could be a fit and address needs at both ends of the ice for the Oilers.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

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If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.


FFS Matty. Is he really suggesting a massive move for one of those guys? He wouldn't part with Puljujarvi or the 1st for three months of one of those UFAs, would he?!?



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Adam wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 15:50

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 14:05

Matty's wild arsed guesses:

Jim Matheson @NHLbyMatty
If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland


Dzingel would be good, but he's about to be UFA, like the others listed. Brassard is past it IMO.

All just short term solutions to save a season where there is really no way we're doing damage in the playoffs, even if we do fluke out and make it.

Don't like it, cause Chia premium suggests we give up our 1st round pick plus more this year for basically anyone.


FFS Matty. Is he really suggesting a massive move for one of those guys? He wouldn't part with Puljujarvi or the 1st for three months of one of those UFAs, would he?!?

Would Chiarelli? I'd assume not the 1st anyway, as Propaganda Minister Stauffer has said they need a guy with term to move the 1st. Though a man trying to save his job and accomplish what Katz (I assume) set out as the goal as making playoffs, I could picture a scenario JP is moved for that type of return.



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Could you get a guy like Ehlers? He's young and signed long term for 6 mill which isn't bad. People will say why would the Jets trade him? Well they are a deep team and they have a LOT of guys to sign.

Laine needs a new deal. If he scores 40 goals again, what's he worth. He's making under 1 mill.
Connor needs a new deal and will score over 20 after 31 last year. He's making under 1 mill.
Trouba is a hell of a dmen. He's making 5.5 mill. He will get a raise.
Myers is a UFA. He's been really good for the Jets. You either resign him or have to replace.

That doesn't factor in just the other guys they have to resign like bottom 6 guys or other lesser RFA's that are playing like Copp, Lemieux, Petan, Morrow, Brossoit.

Laine will get what, 9-10? Connor will get what 6-7 at least. Trouba will get what 6.5-7? If they are lucky, Myers resigns for 3-4 yrs at the same cap hit at 5.5 mill. If you don't resign him, it's probably costing you close to the same money to replace him. You aren't finding a replacement for much less than what he makes. He plays 20 mins a night, those guys usually don't come cheap and he's a right shot.

Those 4 guys alone could cost you 25-30 mill without trying and you haven't signed a single depth guy that I listed.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 January 2019 16:03

Could you get a guy like Ehlers? He's young and signed long term for 6 mill which isn't bad. People will say why would the Jets trade him? Well they are a deep team and they have a LOT of guys to sign.

Laine needs a new deal. If he scores 40 goals again, what's he worth. He's making under 1 mill.
Connor needs a new deal and will score over 20 after 31 last year. He's making under 1 mill.
Trouba is a hell of a dmen. He's making 5.5 mill. He will get a raise.
Myers is a UFA. He's been really good for the Jets. You either resign him or have to replace.

That doesn't factor in just the other guys they have to resign like bottom 6 guys or other lesser RFA's that are playing like Copp, Lemieux, Petan, Morrow, Brossoit.

Laine will get what, 9-10? Connor will get what 6-7 at least. Trouba will get what 6.5-7? If they are lucky, Myers resigns for 3-4 yrs at the same cap hit at 5.5 mill. If you don't resign him, it's probably costing you close to the same money to replace him. You aren't finding a replacement for much less than what he makes. He plays 20 mins a night, those guys usually don't come cheap and he's a right shot.

Those 4 guys alone could cost you 25-30 mill without trying and you haven't signed a single depth guy that I listed.


If they move him, it would likely be at the Draft.



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Lucic and Kassian are on heaters. Kassian with 2 goals, Lucic 2 goals, 3 in his last 4 games. Call up the Blues and offer Lucic and Kassian for Tarasenko straight up.


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Oilers apparently interested and looking into in Zuccarello and Ferland.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /edmonton-oilers-checking-into-availability-of-mats-zuccarel lo-michael-ferland-friedman-reports

This in from Elliotte Friedman, Sportsnet’s super sleuth of hockey insider info, that the Edmonton Oilers might be interested in Mats Zuccarello and would be willing to give up a second-rounder to get him, that they also might be interested in Michael Ferland of Carolina, but they’re not that keen to give up Jesse Puljujarvi: “The Oilers will also scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers who are either on long-term deals or have time before unrestricted free agency. Their first-round pick is definitely in play. Jesse Puljujarvi? As Tuesday developed, there was pushback on his availability. There are some in the organization who want to win now and recognize he has value in the market; there are others who see a player needing patience to develop. The Oilers were interested in Vancouver’s Jake Virtanen at one point, but the Canucks chose to take their time and that’s paying off. It is not easy to tell who will win this argument.”



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 12:46

Oilers apparently interested and looking into in Zuccarello and Ferland.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /edmonton-oilers-checking-into-availability-of-mats-zuccarel lo-michael-ferland-friedman-reports

This in from Elliotte Friedman, Sportsnet’s super sleuth of hockey insider info, that the Edmonton Oilers might be interested in Mats Zuccarello and would be willing to give up a second-rounder to get him, that they also might be interested in Michael Ferland of Carolina, but they’re not that keen to give up Jesse Puljujarvi: “The Oilers will also scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers who are either on long-term deals or have time before unrestricted free agency. Their first-round pick is definitely in play. Jesse Puljujarvi? As Tuesday developed, there was pushback on his availability. There are some in the organization who want to win now and recognize he has value in the market; there are others who see a player needing patience to develop. The Oilers were interested in Vancouver’s Jake Virtanen at one point, but the Canucks chose to take their time and that’s paying off. It is not easy to tell who will win this argument.”


Of course they want Virtanen...he managed to land a cheap shot on McDavid once, so that means he must be good, right?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 14:00

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 12:46

Oilers apparently interested and looking into in Zuccarello and Ferland.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /edmonton-oilers-checking-into-availability-of-mats-zuccarel lo-michael-ferland-friedman-reports

This in from Elliotte Friedman, Sportsnet’s super sleuth of hockey insider info, that the Edmonton Oilers might be interested in Mats Zuccarello and would be willing to give up a second-rounder to get him, that they also might be interested in Michael Ferland of Carolina, but they’re not that keen to give up Jesse Puljujarvi: “The Oilers will also scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers who are either on long-term deals or have time before unrestricted free agency. Their first-round pick is definitely in play. Jesse Puljujarvi? As Tuesday developed, there was pushback on his availability. There are some in the organization who want to win now and recognize he has value in the market; there are others who see a player needing patience to develop. The Oilers were interested in Vancouver’s Jake Virtanen at one point, but the Canucks chose to take their time and that’s paying off. It is not easy to tell who will win this argument.”


Of course they want Virtanen...he managed to land a cheap shot on McDavid once, so that means he must be good, right?


I think, I may be out to lunch on this though, they are using the ‘Oilers were interested in Virtanen” as an example to show that patience with him payed off and perhaps that’s what the Oilers need with JP, patience, instead of trading him away. That’s how I read it anyway.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 13:00

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 12:46

Oilers apparently interested and looking into in Zuccarello and Ferland.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /edmonton-oilers-checking-into-availability-of-mats-zuccarel lo-michael-ferland-friedman-reports

This in from Elliotte Friedman, Sportsnet’s super sleuth of hockey insider info, that the Edmonton Oilers might be interested in Mats Zuccarello and would be willing to give up a second-rounder to get him, that they also might be interested in Michael Ferland of Carolina, but they’re not that keen to give up Jesse Puljujarvi: “The Oilers will also scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers who are either on long-term deals or have time before unrestricted free agency. Their first-round pick is definitely in play. Jesse Puljujarvi? As Tuesday developed, there was pushback on his availability. There are some in the organization who want to win now and recognize he has value in the market; there are others who see a player needing patience to develop. The Oilers were interested in Vancouver’s Jake Virtanen at one point, but the Canucks chose to take their time and that’s paying off. It is not easy to tell who will win this argument.”


Of course they want Virtanen...he managed to land a cheap shot on McDavid once, so that means he must be good, right?


Too cheap though isn't he? 1.25M for a plug. I think we only like plugs around the 2M price point.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 16 January 2019 11:46

Oilers apparently interested and looking into in Zuccarello and Ferland.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey /edmonton-oilers-checking-into-availability-of-mats-zuccarel lo-michael-ferland-friedman-reports

This in from Elliotte Friedman, Sportsnet’s super sleuth of hockey insider info, that the Edmonton Oilers might be interested in Mats Zuccarello and would be willing to give up a second-rounder to get him, that they also might be interested in Michael Ferland of Carolina, but they’re not that keen to give up Jesse Puljujarvi: “The Oilers will also scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers who are either on long-term deals or have time before unrestricted free agency. Their first-round pick is definitely in play. Jesse Puljujarvi? As Tuesday developed, there was pushback on his availability. There are some in the organization who want to win now and recognize he has value in the market; there are others who see a player needing patience to develop. The Oilers were interested in Vancouver’s Jake Virtanen at one point, but the Canucks chose to take their time and that’s paying off. It is not easy to tell who will win this argument.”


I'm pretty concerned that the Oilers are chasing rentals at this point. I get that they want to make the playoffs in the short term. But this is how teams become mired in mediocrity.



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100% speculative on my part; but I think something will happen tomorrow or Friday and the new acquisition will be in the lineup for the Flames game Saturday.

Petrovic will be able to return, activated from IR, requiring a roster move. Instead of sending JP or Yams down, I think a 2-1 deal is made.

Something involving JP and Spooner... my incling.



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I expect trades. I am not totally on board with rentals unless the cost is just super cheap. Like as an example. If by some miracle you could trade Spooner and say something else small and got a Ferland back. Even if he's a rental, I would do that in a heartbeat but that is wishful thinking on my part think.

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When it comes to trades in general, I just don't want them to do anything else to make things worse. The Eberle for Strome trade wasn't that great because you were getting a lesser player in Strome but he filled a role and you freed up money. So I could swallow it. But then they did a knee jerk trade and traded Strome for Spooner. Do I think Strome was a massive loss? No but Spooner has turned out to be worse than Strome. So it made things worse because Spooner is a worse player for your team AND he is taking up 3.1 mill in cap space with an extra year left. So if they can get rid of Spooner and get back anything like a pick or prospect, I see that as stopping the making things worse because they can take his money and get a better player or players with it. Does it look bad, hell yeah it does. But optics should be secondary.

Same goes for the Caggulia for Manning trade. Do I see Caggulia as a big loss? NO. He's an inconsistent bottom 6 guy. I see he has played 5 games, no points, 5 PIMS, 2 shots and is -4. So doing little to nothing just like he did on a lot of nights for the Oilers. His contract wasn't awful if he scored you 12+ goals but at the same time you can potentially find 2 Chiassons for the same money and he way better off. But I didn't get the trade. It seemed unnecessary and Manning isn't an upgrade on anyone. On a good day, maybe he can be a passable #6 but you had Gravel who can do the same for 1/3 the money. So it was stupid. The worst part is he has another year at 2.25. So while the optics don't look great, if by a miracle you can get rid of Manning for anything, I'd do it because in my opinion you stop this trade from getting worse because you free up the money.



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With practice cancelled, changed to a meeting, and a media availability coming this morning... could it be Chia’s next trade is done from a different organization?

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 11:04

With practice cancelled, changed to a meeting, and a media availability coming this morning... could it be Chia’s next trade is done from a different organization?

PC to Seattle!

I'd rather Katz went to Seattle and Edmonton got a new team in a year or two. I'd accept that deal right now.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 10:07

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 11:04

With practice cancelled, changed to a meeting, and a media availability coming this morning... could it be Chia’s next trade is done from a different organization?

PC to Seattle!

I'd rather Katz went to Seattle and Edmonton got a new team in a year or two. I'd accept that deal right now.


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