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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #705212 is a reply to message #705209 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 12 December 2017 11:37

Appear these women were inspired by the movie "Red Army", went full retro. Not surprising to find a Russian team sport on PEDs when you remember that the entire Russian U-18 junior hockey team was removed prior to a tournament for doping.
http://www.tsn.ca/talent/report-russian-hockey-hit-by-mass-d oping-scandal-1.465931

I'd like to give the IOC some credit for finally taking a stand, but its a classic IOC misdirection ploy, ban a low ranked competitor for life, giving the impression you are taking the plague of PEDs seriously, and then ignoring the top ranked, or biggest sports and/or countries if it might hurt the IOC brand or cash flow. In this case the IOC didn't even have to give any medals back, and the Russian women were low ranked in their sport, in a sport that isn't a top money generator for them.

I don't think you'd ever see the IOC take this action with the Russian men's team.



The men's team would be harder to run a doping scheme, wouldn't it? They'd have to fool American and NHL testing too. The women's team? I can't see them getting any attention since they weren't a medal threat.

I still want to see their figure skating team go down. That's the key to over all Canadian victory in 2014 because screw Norway.



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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #705213 is a reply to message #705212 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 December 2017 10:47


The men's team would be harder to run a doping scheme, wouldn't it? They'd have to fool American and NHL testing too. The women's team? I can't see them getting any attention since they weren't a medal threat.

I still want to see their figure skating team go down. That's the key to over all Canadian victory in 2014 because screw Norway.


I think you're giving NHL testing waaaaayyy too much credit. Shawn Horcoff at the end of his career is the biggest name NHLer ever caught. The NHL has suspended just 5 players over the past 10 years.

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But if you read the fine print, there are still an awful lot of holes, and players can slip through the net.

Under the current system, every team collectively gets tested twice a year – once during training camp, and once during the regular season. There is also a provision for individual players to be selected for no-notice random tests during the regular season and playoffs, though never on a game day.

In the off-season, testing tends to be more haphazard. A league-wide maximum of 60 individual tests are conducted, meaning less than one out of every dozen players faces the possibility of an off-season test. If you happen to be unlucky enough to be one of the chosen, a player still has up to two weeks to respond and show up at a specified place and time for a test.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/ducks-horcoff- suspended-20-games-for-ped-program-violation/article28395375 /

If you know when the tests are, it's super easy to not get caught.



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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #705221 is a reply to message #705213 ]
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Goose wrote on Tue, 12 December 2017 11:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 December 2017 10:47


The men's team would be harder to run a doping scheme, wouldn't it? They'd have to fool American and NHL testing too. The women's team? I can't see them getting any attention since they weren't a medal threat.

I still want to see their figure skating team go down. That's the key to over all Canadian victory in 2014 because screw Norway.


I think you're giving NHL testing waaaaayyy too much credit. Shawn Horcoff at the end of his career is the biggest name NHLer ever caught. The NHL has suspended just 5 players over the past 10 years.

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But if you read the fine print, there are still an awful lot of holes, and players can slip through the net.

Under the current system, every team collectively gets tested twice a year – once during training camp, and once during the regular season. There is also a provision for individual players to be selected for no-notice random tests during the regular season and playoffs, though never on a game day.

In the off-season, testing tends to be more haphazard. A league-wide maximum of 60 individual tests are conducted, meaning less than one out of every dozen players faces the possibility of an off-season test. If you happen to be unlucky enough to be one of the chosen, a player still has up to two weeks to respond and show up at a specified place and time for a test.


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/ducks-horcoff- suspended-20-games-for-ped-program-violation/article28395375 /

If you know when the tests are, it's super easy to not get caught.


You are absolutely correct, pro sports team drug testing is more like a really low IQ test, if you are stupid there is a possibility you'll get caught, reasons are the pro-athlete association agreements make it so you need to give the athlete some kind of notice, and you'll only be tested a couple of times a year (at most). So the athlete knows you have two darts to throw, they know when you are going to throw the dart, so they're able to move the target before you throw it.

Plus, the pro sports leagues don't really want to catch anyone, its bad for the brand, especially a star player. I'd guess at least 70% of NFL players are on PEDs, and that's being conservative. NHL, FIFA, MLB, NBA, rugby, track and field .. any league where money is big you can bet on it. Its a sickness, you even get age group masters cyclists cranking PEDs, where no money is involved, just feeding the ego.
http://www.canadiancyclist.com/dailynews.php?id=32607&ti tle=quebec-masters-athlete-receives-8-year-anti-doping-sanct ion
http://masterstrack.com/star-hurdler-liz-palmer-given-3-12-y ear-usada-doping-suspension/
http://masterstrack.com/w50-runner-kristi-anderson-accepts-1 2-month-doping-suspension/
http://jumping-the-gun.com/?p=2641

Here's a list of recent USADA doping suspensions, not exactly a who's who, quite a few of them are "masters" age group competitors, which is really pathetic, you know its 100% ego trip.
https://www.usada.org/testing/results/sanctions/

I wonder if the IIHF ever tests the junior players before the Christmas tourney?



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Here is a good read of an interview with a former doping coach talking about the current state of athletic doping..

Angel Hernandez: "I no longer dope athletes, but pretty much everyone else does."
The legendary Mexican chemist turned coach on why performance enhancers in sport won’t go away
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/09/angel-hernandez-i-no-lon ger-dope-athletes-but-pretty-much-everyone-else-does/

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...I finish by asking if he would want his son to be an athlete. A note of resignation comes into his voice: ‘When I was young I was a national champion, a record holder for the discus, Central America champion, you name it. I was projected to become an Olympian. But then, after seeing so many things, that’s when I started understanding what the whole business is about. It changes your view. I want my son to be what he wants to be. An athlete, a pianist. But frankly, I don’t want him going into the Olympic world, or boxing. A scientist or a doctor, maybe. Sports are getting worse and worse.’.



Here he talks specifically about the use and benefit of asthma inhalers. You probably see a lot of world class endurance athletes using inhalers, stating they need it because they have asthma, and you often wonder, well if you have asthma why is your caridio vascular system better than anyone else's in the world? Always seemed odd.. here's some enlightenment ..
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What about asthma inhalers? So often we see top-level endurance athletes sucking on inhalers, a sight at odds with most people’s childhood memories of asthmatic classmates’ loathing of aerobic exercise. Could it be the humble asthma inhaler holds performance-enhancing qualities?

‘I call it the “transporter”,’ he says. ‘It opens and expands not only your lung capacity but also your pulmonary capability, so it has improved capacity to move the blood cells…

‘In other words, if you were using EPO, or if you were using another substance like EPO, it would help you to boost endurance even more. It is like multiplying the effects by between three and five times.’

He points out some athletes are using the pumps legitimately because they have what he calls ‘induced asthma’ from training, but that others are cheating by conning doctors into giving them medical letters stating that they have the condition, letters that no anti-doping agency on the planet can argue with. ‘It’s like a green light for doping,’ he says.



Apparently Viagra will make you faster .. with side effects..
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...He will say Viagra is a drug that can make a sprinter run faster, but that it’s not on the banned list of athlete medications. ‘If I was a sprinter, I would not take Viagra,’ he says. ‘You do not want to have a boner while you’re running a race.’


Current effectiveness of anti-doping efforts
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‘The problem is that the testing has got better, but it has not got to the point where they can detect everything, as they say they can.’ He adds that drug-testing bodies are reluctant to admit publicly the limitations of their testing procedures for fear of losing funding. ‘They have to justify to the public how much money they make, saying they are working on detection methods, when in reality the detection methods they have are not 100 per cent reliable.’

Hernandez says a major problem for testers is the ever-increasing number of drugs coming on to the market. ‘You have got to understand that as the pharmaceutical industry grows year by year, new drugs [with performance-enhancing qualities] come to the public or into the research environment. What happens is the testers don’t catch up until later on. There is always a gap. Some of the athletes are cheating now; they are taking advantage of an opportunity that lasts a year, maybe a year and a half, before the testing authorities have any idea what is happening. They are abusing those drugs.’

Drug-testing bodies are today supposed to hold athletes’ samples for a minimum of ten years so they can be retested in future, when new ones might have been developed. However, in reality that practice is not always observed. Hernandez says that he knows of testing bodies that dispose of samples almost immediately.

‘If you don’t hold those samples for the ten-year rule, then there is nothing you can do. You can assume, but you have no proof,’ he says


Doping in Soccer..? Yep
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Are footballers really doping? ‘Yes, of course.’ He says drug testing in the game is nowhere near frequent or aggressive enough to prevent it. ‘Think about it; if you are a soccer player you can do a blood transfusion [to boost oxygen levels in the blood]. If there is no testing, like a biological passport, then you can get away with a blood transfusion. Get away with it easily. You can still get away with all the other tricks in the house, too. You can still get away with micro–dosing EPO [a red blood cell booster], micro–dosing IGF-1 [a muscle growth hormone].



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Chris FROOME (4 x TdF Winner)Tests Positive

Oh and in a not un-related note to the article above about Angel Hernandez, where he discusses the use of asthma inhalers as a PED for endurance... there is this guy, the current 4 time Tour de France winner, who everybody has known is doing "something", as in PED's, but he's always argued that he's "never had a positive test"... hmm sounds an awful lot like what a former 7 time TdF winner from Texas used to say all the time..

This most recent 4 time winner, Froome, is well known for using asthma inhalers, "doctors prescription", WADA has a limit to the amount of these drugs you can have in your system, as it can act as PED on its own. well Mr. Froome just got popped for twice the amount in his system from this years Tour of Spain. That positive test on its own is bad, but coupled with what Angel Hernadez said in his interview about how the asthma drug can increase the beneficial endurance effects of EPO, THREE to FOUR TIMES!! , it explains a lot of his other-worldly performances.
Froome was a guy that was an OK cyclist but was really never world champion class as a climber or time trialist, and for the last 4 years he's kicked everyone's ass in cycling, even the known dopers!

Froome's secret formula may have been finally revealed!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/13/sports/cycling/chris-froo me-doping.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/13/chris-froome-t eam-sky-reputation-abnormal-drug-test

[Updated on: Fri, 15 December 2017 14:40]


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Canada has earned its first luge medal! Congratulations to the four members of the Canadian luge relay team in Sochi. Screw Russia for costing these athletes their moment on the podium.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/winter/canada-luge-gains-o lympic-bronze-sochi-1.4462106



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 22 December 2017 10:15

Canada has earned its first luge medal! Congratulations to the four members of the Canadian luge relay team in Sochi. Screw Russia for costing these athletes their moment on the podium.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/winter/canada-luge-gains-o lympic-bronze-sochi-1.4462106



About time, they should rightfully take away even more Russian athletes medals, the whole mob was doped.

Not only do the clean athletes get cheated of their big moment in life, DURING the actual Olympics, they lose any potential athlete funding, and sponsorships, they could have had if they were medal winners. Basically lose a means to make a living.

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While Christie said there's no point in dwelling on the past, he did point out that luge funding was impacted by the lack of medals in Sochi.
"They were a Tier 3 sport," he said. "They could have been a Tier 2 spot with [Own the Podium]. What could that have done?



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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/olympic-doping-bans-russia n-athletes-overturned-1.4513764
...."Sport's highest tribunal on Thursday overturned the Olympic doping bans of 28 Russian athletes and reinstated their results at the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi in upholding their appeals.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) said in a statement that it had found insufficient evidence during last week's hearing in Geneva that the 28, banned by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), were guilty of anti-doping violations in Sochi.".....

....what's next?...the 2018 Winter Olympics start in a week....will anything have really changed regarding doping?....Russia seems to have "friends" at all levels.....




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GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 06:57

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/olympic-doping-bans-russia n-athletes-overturned-1.4513764
...."Sport's highest tribunal on Thursday overturned the Olympic doping bans of 28 Russian athletes and reinstated their results at the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi in upholding their appeals.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) said in a statement that it had found insufficient evidence during last week's hearing in Geneva that the 28, banned by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), were guilty of anti-doping violations in Sochi.".....

....what's next?...the 2018 Winter Olympics start in a week....will anything have really changed regarding doping?....Russia seems to have "friends" at all levels.....



Even I didn't see that one coming. Another crime. Guarantee that everyone of those CAS jury members got a nice deposit in a Swiss bank account. Putin just paid for those gold medals, twice, first when he built his own doping lab at Sochi (inside the "anti-doping" lab), and now he just bought them back. The entire country should have been banned, for a decade.

Clean athletes don't have a hope. Never did, but this just made that fact even more crystal clear.



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...I am hesitant to paint Putin as the boogeyman in every wrong in the world, but this week even he referenced the doping issue and admitted Russia cheated...

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-admits-russian-olympic- doping-but-says-everyone-does-it-2018-1

....hope all the lies associated with this issue get untangled....I have the utmost respect for the true Olympians that work their hearts out to be the best at what they do without crossing the line to cheat....something is wrong when the spotlight shines on the cheaters...




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GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 09:48

...I am hesitant to paint Putin as the boogeyman in every wrong in the world, but this week even he referenced the doping issue and admitted Russia cheated...

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-admits-russian-olympic- doping-but-says-everyone-does-it-2018-1

....hope all the lies associated with this issue get untangled....I have the utmost respect for the true Olympians that work their hearts out to be the best at what they do without crossing the line to cheat....something is wrong when the spotlight shines on the cheaters...



I read that 169 Russian athletes, all certified "clean" by the IOC, will participate in Korea. Its like the mobsters laughing in the cops faces when their charges are dropped by corrupted judges. They're untouchable.

That IOC "ban" sure has sure made a big difference....



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Just to make it clear, the IOC was not involved in this decision. In fact, they are appealing the decision. This is on the Court of Arbitration for Sport.


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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 01 February 2018 15:21

Just to make it clear, the IOC was not involved in this decision. In fact, they are appealing the decision. This is on the Court of Arbitration for Sport.


Actually, the CAS stooges overturned bans to 28 athletes, they get their Sochi results and medals back, and clean athletes, the real athletes, lose theirs.

IOC approved the 169 before CAS ruling.

They only sent 175 to Vancouver, so really they only lost about 6 spots due to their country ban for state sponsored doping, and the fraud of the Sochi Olympics. Putin must be laughing his wrinkled ass off. The IOC is despicable has been since the Berlin games.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/ioc-confirms- 169-russian-athletes-invited-to-winter-olympics/2018/01/27/1 aecdc92-0379-11e8-86b9-8908743c79dd_story.html?utm_term=.a99 e3bd9792a
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LAUSANNE, Switzerland — The IOC says it has invited 169 Russian athletes to compete at the Pyeongchang Olympics.

The number confirms the team size announced Thursday by the suspended Russian Olympic Committee.

The International Olympic Committee did not publish names of which athletes were cleared by two vetting panels of suspicion of doping to go to the Feb. 9-25 Winter Games in South Korea.

The IOC says it chose “from the pool of 389 athletes who could potentially be invited to the games depending on available quota places.”

Russia sent 175 athletes to the 2010 Vancouver Olympics, and 214 to its home 2014 Sochi Olympics which saw orchestrated doping



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Responses to CAS decision.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/winter-olympics/2018/02/01/twenty -eight-russian-doping-bans-overturned-11-reduced-suspensions /

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The man who exposed sport’s previous biggest drugs cheat, Lance Armstrong, also condemned the ruling.

Travis Tygart, the chief executive of the United States Anti-Doping Agency, said “The IOC’s failure to swiftly and decisively deal with Russia’s unprecedented attack on fair play has eroded public trust in the values of the Olympic movement.

“Slamming dozens of cases through the process on the eve of the Olympic Games has not served justice and as such the integrity of the Games has been sabotaged.

“The whole mess truly stinks and the nightmare continues for clean athletes. This must change.”


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the lawyer for Grigory Rodchenkov, the in-hiding former Moscow laboratory director who exposed the true scale of the Russian doping scandal and testified at CAS via video link, warned dopers had been allowed to escape punishment.

Jim Walden said: “Dr Rodchenkov testified fully and credibly at CAS. His truth has been verified by forensic evidence, other whistleblowers, and, more recently, recovery of the Moscow lab’s secret database, showing thousands of dirty tests that were covered up.

“This panel’s unfortunate decision provides a very small measure of punishment for some athletes but a complete ‘get out of jail free card’ for most.

Thus, the CAS decision only emboldens cheaters, makes it harder for clean athletes to win, and provides yet another ill-gotten gain for the corrupt Russian doping system generally, and Putin specifically.”

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Canadian luger says it's a 'dark day' after Russian doping ban reversal

https://www.ctvnews.ca/sports/canadian-luger-says-it-s-a-dar k-day-after-russian-doping-ban-reversal-1.3784896

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An international tribunal's decision to overturn lifetime suspensions and reinstate results for 28 Russian athletes accused of doping is a low point for fair play in sport, says a Canadian athlete who stands to lose an Olympic bronze medal because of the decision.

Calgary luger Sam Edney didn't mince words after learning about the Court of Arbitration for Sport's ruling that sanctions against the athletes should be annulled and their individual results at the 2014 Winter Games in Sochi be reinstated because of insufficient evidence.

"Above anything else, this is a very very very dark day for the Olympics," Edney said via Twitter. "AND, this is a very very very dark day for Clean Sport ... if there is such a thing anymore."


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"Afraid it may be the beginning of the end for Olympics ... if the IOC rolls over on this one," Edney tweeted.


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Olympic gold medallist Beckie Scott, who serves as the chair of the World Anti-Doping Agency's athlete committee, said Edney has "every right" to be frustrated and called the CAS ruling a "massive setback" in the general fight against doping.

As someone who had an Olympic medal upgraded -- twice -- the Canadian cross-country skier can sympathize with Edney.

Scott had her bronze medal from the Salt Lake City Games in 2002 upgraded to silver when Russia's Larisa Lazutina was stripped of second place for doping. That silver was then promoted to gold after it was revealed first-place finisher Olga Danilova of Russia had tested positive for doping during the Games.

"This is a huge failure of the entire system to protect clean athletes and to work on their behalf, and athletes like Sam Edney have every right to feel angry and frustrated and disappointed," the three-time Olympian told The Canadian Press in a phone interview. "They have been let down by the system."

Eleven more Russians were ruled Thursday to have been guilty of doping but had the lifetime bans imposed by an IOC disciplinary panel two months ago cut to a ban only from the Pyeongchang Games.

Scott said she was "very disillusioned and fully disheartened" by that decision, especially after the IOC last year banned 43 Russians for doping offences at the Sochi Olympics, ruling they had been part of a state-sponsored scheme to dope.

"We have proof of a state-sponsored system that allows athletes to cheat through the Olympic Games and there's not going to be any consequences for this?" she said, adding that anyone involved in the promotion of clean sport "should be raising their voice and asking what's going on here."

[Updated on: Mon, 05 February 2018 11:25]


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Good article by C. Blatchford, the CAS jury still doing "busine$$" even as the Olympics begin, meetings are secret, no press allowed, and no reasons for their judgments issued. It's farce. Great way to make some money though.

Tell you what, since everything that followed Sochi, I've never been less interested in the Olympics.

http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/christie-blatchford- banned-athletes-argue-behind-closed-doors-for-spot-at-games

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PYEONCHANG — In effect, as Canada’s Dick Pound put it this week, the issue is about whether one actually can have an entitlement, a right, to be invited to dinner.

Pound, the founding president of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) and senior member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), was predicting that the last-minute appeals to the international Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) by 60 Russians, mostly athletes but also including a handful of coaches and doctors, would fail because the IOC, like every other host on the planet, has no legal requirement about who should or shouldn’t be asked to sit at its table.

That table is these Olympics, of course, where the athletes of the world commit themselves, as the Olympic oath famously has it, to “a sport without doping and without drugs in the true spirit of sportsmanship”.


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Thus, even as the first competition of these Olympics was underway – naturally, it was a curling mixed doubles event between the United States and, you guessed it, Russia – just 32 hours before the opening ceremonies, lawyers for some of the Russians appeared at the ad hoc CAS hearing.

It was held at a condominium tower near the alpine skiing venue and was, of course, a secret proceeding. Press and public are never allowed in to CAS hearings, so reporters waited behind barriers, hoping for a word or two as the parties dispersed.

So mysterious are the workings of the CAS – even the signs for the hearing pointed merely to an elevator — that while a panel of arbitrators reversed the IOC ban on the 28 athletes, the actual reasons for the decisions haven’t yet been released.

Indications, however, in the CAS press release about the decisions is that the panel found insufficient evidence to prove individual rule violations, or, in a twist on the old saying, that an absence of evidence may indeed be evidence of absence.

Given that McLaren found that before WADA investigators arrived at the Moscow laboratory central to the Russian scheme, samples had been destroyed en masse, that should go some distance to explain the absence.


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As WADA president Sir Craig Reedie said Thursday, “I’m saddened by the fact we are in CAS all day, every day,” even on the eve of the opening ceremonies.

He’s saddened, Dick Pound is furious (he said the IOC decision demonstrates the IOC no longer has the athletes’ backs), and Friday, when almost 3,000 athletes from the nations of the world watch as a representative takes the solemn oath on their behalf, they must be forgiven if they choke at the sight.

A year or two from now, how many more medal-winners will be stripped of their hardware, how many more found to have cheated here?



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Greta article from 2016 in Scientific American. It breaks down how all the PEDs work, the effect, detectability.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-scientific-am erican-guide-to-cheating-in-the-olympics/
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When the 2016 Summer Olympics begin in Rio, one group of athletes will be conspicuously absent: The Russian track and field and weight lifting teams. Their absence will be felt: In London in 2012 the team took home a total of 82 medals. But it’s unlikely that they will be missed.

The Russian athletes were at the center of a state-sponsored doping program that was revealed over the past year. Investigators found a vast and intricate system of cheating, centered on a lab in Moscow that was responsible for drug testing athletes who reside and compete in Russia. Positive tests were covered up by lab workers, and blood and urine samples from athletes who were using banned performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) were secretively swapped out for “clean” specimens, with the help of state intelligence agents.

The program involved athletes in sports as different as wrestling to sailing, and for all of them, the staple was the same: a literal “cocktail” of steroids, washed down with Chivas Regal scotch to lessen the chances of detection (vermouth for the women). What was most surprising, to seasoned observers, was their choice of drugs. The key ingredient of the cocktail was something called Oral Turinabol, a potent derivative of testosterone that, as it turns out, already had its own lengthy Olympic pedigree.

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Oral Turinabol was the key ingredient in the last known state-sponsored Olympic doping program, which propelled East German athletes to gold medals in the 1970s and 1980s. Since then drug testing in sports has become much more widespread and much more precise, with tests for hundreds of specific compounds. In order to compete, athletes must give up their privacy, notifying officials of their whereabouts every single day of the year, so they can be located for on-the-spot, out-of-competition testing overseen by the World Anti-Doping Agency, or WADA. Something as potent and notorious as Oral Turinabol should have been wiped out long ago. Yet there it was, being swilled down like Red Bull by athletes who went on to win multiple medals at the Sochi Winter Olympics alone.

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It seems reasonable to ask: Have we made any progress against doping in sports?

Well, yes and…not really. One the one hand, WADA-accredited labs processed an astounding 186,073 blood and urine samples in 2014, the most recent year for which figures are available. Slightly less than 1 percent of those came back with an “adverse” or “atypical” finding, jargon for a positive or suspicious result. That translates into a large number of positive tests—but contrast that figure with the 29 percent of athletes at a major international meet who, when promised anonymity by researchers, admitted to using PEDs. Clearly, plenty of cheaters are getting away with it.
It seems reasonable to ask: Have we made any progress against doping in sports?

Well, yes and…not really. One the one hand, WADA-accredited labs processed an astounding 186,073 blood and urine samples in 2014, the most recent year for which figures are available. Slightly less than 1 percent of those came back with an “adverse” or “atypical” finding, jargon for a positive or suspicious result. That translates into a large number of positive tests—but contrast that figure with the 29 percent of athletes at a major international meet who, when promised anonymity by researchers, admitted to using PEDs. Clearly, plenty of cheaters are getting away with it.


This is the real scary one, countries are actually getting involved with gene doping. Holy crap.
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WADA has announced that it has developed a test for gene doping, in which athletes could inject themselves with specific genes to improve muscle-building or endurance—in spite of the fact that, to date, there has been no known successful use of gene-doping techniques.



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Here is an article that gives you a rare glimpse as to what type of characters are running the IOC, they run it like the mob.
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1061108/pound-attack ed-by-ioc-colleague-after-criticises-approach-to-russian-dop ing-scandal

Dick Pound, an IOC member, attended a recent IOC meeting where he criticized the IOC for letting down clean athletes and not supporting the whistle blowers by practically absolving Russia of its state doping program. Then the the IOC presidents henchmen get in the act and go after Dick Pound.

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Richard Pound has accused his International Olympic Committee (IOC) colleague Gerardo Werthein of an "extraordinary attack" in a fiery exchange which followed him criticising the organisation's response to the Russian doping crisis.

It came during a three-hour discussion to open today's 132nd IOC Session which represented by far the most detailed and balanced exchange of views on the issue by the membership since concerns about the extent of doping in Russian sport first became public in 2014.

Pound and Britain's Adam Pengilly each abstained from a subsequent vote in which all other members present praised the IOC Executive Board decision to make 168 Russian athletes participate neutrally - albeit under an "Olympic Athletes from Russia" (OAR) banner - at the Winter Olympic Games due to start here on Friday (February 9).

Pound delivered a pre-written speech in which he argued that a "large proportion of the world believes the IOC has failed and let down clean athletes".

The Canadian added: "The whistleblowers have been left with no protection from the Olympic Movement and every effort has been made to give a distinctly Russian profile to the OAR team here.

"I agree we need to get Russia back in the Olympic family but on our terms, not on its terms of denial and attack.

"A large proportion of the world believes the IOC have failed and let down clean athletes.

"We talk more than we walk and, with respect, I don’t think we can talk our way out of this.

"Our future depends on what we do but not what we say.

"I speak not as an enemy but as someone wanting to help the fight against doping."

His speech was followed by an attack from Werthein, one of IOC President Thomas Bach's closest allies, leading many to believe the criticism levelled at Pound was part of an orchestrated pre-planned strategy by top officials.

The Argentinian accused of Pound of believing that "what is right is what he agree with".

Werthein added: "He then goes to the press and creates statements which creates doubt and discredits work being done."

Pound swiftly returned fire.

"The fact I have different opinions from the all-powerful Executive Board is not disrespectful," he told the Session.

"I don't seek the press out, they seek me out.

"We have had 20 months of no opportunity to speak on this and I have addressed this with you [IOC President Thomas Bach] on many times."

Bach, in turn, claimed that he had met a Canadian athlete here in the Olympic Village yesterday who had praised the IOC response and thanked him for supposedly protecting clean athletes.

He also claimed that Pound had missed opportunities to make these points at IOC Sessions last year in Lausanne and Lima.

The IOC also attempted to dismiss a conspiracy theory, which Pound had given credence to by publicly speaking about it, that they deliberately lost 28 of their 39 cases against Russian athletes in the Court of Arbitration for Sport last week.

Denis Oswald, the Swiss who headed the IOC Disciplinary Commission which found 39 Russian athletes guilty of doping at Sochi 2014, was angry at claims it had been set up to ultimately fail.

"There have been some suggestions that the IOC set-up the cases to fail," Denis Oswald, chair of the IOC Disciplinary Commission, said during his presentation.

"I find this an insult to the IOC, my Commission and myself.

"I have been a respected lawyer for many years and never has my integrity been put in question, so to read this sort of allegation is totally unacceptable."
<This guy should get a bad acting award for that performance>

South Africa's IOC member Sam Ramsamy echoed this "concern".

"These allegations were unwarranted deflections and those people who made those remarks deserve condemnations," he claimed.

"To outwardly condemn what Denis' group has done is worrying.

"I believe this came out through the media.

"We know most media are fair, but we know that certain media, sometimes I ask journalists 'What do you want' and they say: 'I am looking for dirt', so they will find dirt."

[Updated on: Fri, 09 February 2018 05:53]


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.... and a Canadian finishes fourth while a competitor from a new country called OAR gets the bronze. It's not like he failed a drug test just 2 years ago or anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Elistratov

(he got Sharapova'd. On second thought nope, cuz Sharapova actually was punished.)

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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 10 February 2018 05:00

.... and a Canadian finishes fourth while a competitor from a new country called OAR gets the bronze. It's not like he failed a drug test just 2 years ago or anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Elistratov

(he got Sharapova'd. On second thought nope, cuz Sharapova actually was punished.)


Ya, I watched that. Disgusting. The funny thing is he's almost certainly still doping, just not able to go full retard and having his samples "cleaned" up in the lab like back in Sochi, now he has to dope the old fashioned way to avoid a positive during the Olympics.

The "get tough" stance by the IOC has had such an impact; the athletes are called "Athletes from Russia" instead of "Russia", and they can't wear uniforms that have red white of blue, but other than that, .. no other consequences to Russia resulted because of Sochi, they have 169 people there, its a full contingent, the so called IOC "sanctions" have resulted in NOTHING.

The Russian fans, the athletes, they haven't even noticed the "ban", they are mocking the clean athletes just by being there. Like the mobster who's paid off the police and judges, they are untouchable, he knows it, you know it, he just laughs and mocks his victims.. and keeps on doing it.

And the coaches and athletes banned from the sliding events are still there, see C. Blatchard article.
http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/christie-blatchford- hollowness-of-russian-doping-penalties-laid-bare-at-olympic- luge-track

Pretty pathetic listening to the announcers use the official IOC terminology "Athlete From Russia" instead of, I guess what they'd normally say, "Russian athlete", or just "Russian", I'm sure the use of that terminology has been a real burden for the Russians. That'll sure teach them to reflect on their deeds, and stop them from doing it again....
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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 10 February 2018 05:00

.... and a Canadian finishes fourth while a competitor from a new country called OAR gets the bronze. It's not like he failed a drug test just 2 years ago or anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Elistratov

(he got Sharapova'd. On second thought nope, cuz Sharapova actually was punished.)


Here's a story about that douche bag, gets his bronze and promptly dedicates it to all his doping buddies that were "unfairly" banned.

IOC is not pleased, he went off the agreed to script, he'll probably get a stern talking to... like "hey man, cool it, keep a low profile, we had a deal, remember?"

https://sports.yahoo.com/ioc-investigating-russian-speedskat er-criticized-doping-ban-winning-medal-151841478.html

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As was easily predicted, IOC "ban" of Russia had zero effect, as if it could be otherwise.
Russians making a mockery of it. Should have been a total ban or nothing, ... which actually it essentially it is... so I guess they did choose, nothing.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russiainmyheart-russias-olympic-f ans-making-mockery-ioc-083658740.html

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The Olympic Athletes from Russia were, however, the unquestioned No. 1 in fan support here, where hundreds of their countrymen donned Russian flags, Russian colors and even T-shirts with a particular anti-IOC statement: “Russia In My Heart.”

“Huge support,” said Russian ice dancer Ekaterina Bobrova. “Our citizens, you could see them in different spots of the stadium, entire slots, they were signing their songs in Russian, waving flags. We felt as if we were at home.”

If the IOC meant to humiliate Russia, it’s mostly backfired, at least here on the ground. Instead, the Russians are here – and impossible to ignore – aiming instead to humiliate the IOC one song, one chant, one winning performance at a time.

“You can stop Russia from being here, but you can’t stop the Russians from being here,” said Evgeni Kichigin, who traveled to the Games from St. Petersburg and wore a Russian flag as a shirt on Sunday.

All over the first couple days of the Games, Russia has punched back – and shown the folly of the IOC expecting a split verdict (no Russia, lots of Olympic Athletes from Russia) to actually work. The IOC should have known it’s either one or the other. Russia is here or it’s not.



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60 Minutes report from last night with the guy who ran the Russian doping program.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-doping-olympic-mastermi nd-on-the-run/



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Gator21 wrote on Mon, 12 February 2018 12:25

60 Minutes report from last night with the guy who ran the Russian doping program.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-doping-olympic-mastermi nd-on-the-run/


Yeah I saw that, good timing by 60 minutes to bring it back to the fore front. It needs to be remembered. It gets more mind blowing every time I think about what the Russians did, and the lack of response by the IOC.

Maybe Russia and China should just have their own PED Olympic Games, let them out dope each other for gold and silver.



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Clean Athletes finally get an apology from a Russian..


https://olympics.cbc.ca/news/article/doping-whistleblower-ap ologizes-clean-athletes-says-russia-still-lying-and-denying. html

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Doping whistleblower apologizes to clean athletes, says Russia is still 'lying and denying'
Former anti-doping lab chief Grigory Rodchenkov sorry for all athletes hurt by Russia's cheating


An apology for Russia's doping scheme is now ready to be issued. Not by the state which ordered the systematic cover-up but by the chemist who helped Russian athletes trick the system.

"I am very sorry to all the clean athletes we cheated," former Russian anti-doping laboratory director Grigory Rodchenkov said in response to questions from The Associated Press sent through his lawyer.

Similar remorse has not been forthcoming from the Russian authorities, who challenge the legitimacy of Rodchenkov's confessions and deny any doping was state-sponsored. Rodchenkov, who fled to the United States to expose the elaborate ruse to evade doping tests, claimed the Russians are still "lying and denying."

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Rodchenkov also berated the Court of Arbitration for Sport for overturning lifetime Olympic bans on Russians, saying the ruling gave the impression to clean competitors that "we don't care about you." Standing by the veracity of testimony called into question during court hearings, Rodchenkov maintained that athletes were complicit in the doping program after following "strict orders" from the state.

Rodchenkov, who lives in hiding, denied claims by Russian President Vladimir Putin that his unmasking of the scandal was being controlled by U.S. agencies.

"As usual, Putin is misinformed," Rodchenkov said in emailed responses to the AP. "I am speaking the truth. No one is influencing me."

Asked if he was aware of other countries running Russian-style state-sponsored schemes, Rodchenkov replied: "I certainly have suspicions, but it is hard to image any country had our level of deception and high-level support."

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No innocence in duplicity
Rodchenkov said he will not be deterred from unmasking further duplicity, despite claiming to fear for his life in the U.S. where he is separated from his family.

"I feel threat, but I feel great support from my lawyers and friends in the United States," he said. "That is why we are changing everything — my appearance, my coordinates, my communications — as often as possible."

Evidence from Rodchenkov on the complex urine-swapping ploy at the 2014 Olympics in the Russian resort of Sochi led to the country being prevented from entering a team into the Pyeongchang Games. The only Russians competing currently in South Korea are the 168 who passed the IOC vetting process to compete as "Olympic Athletes from Russia."

But doubts about Rodchenkov's evidence were raised after he testified last month to CAS judging panels hearing 39 appeal cases by Russians against doping scandals. The disqualifications of 28 Russian athletes from the 2014 Winter Games were overturned because there was found to be insufficient evidence of an anti-doping violation, although they were not completely exonerated and 11 remain disqualified.

"The CAS decision for the 39 athletes was unacceptable," Rodchenkov said. "The standard for evidence was too high. And CAS should have considered all the evidence Russia withheld from the IOC and WADA, which would only further confirm their guilt. This process sends a clear message to clean athletes, who also deserved due process: we don't care about you.

"CAS's disregard for [World Anti-Doping Agency investigator Richard] McLaren, [IOC disciplinary panel chairman Denis] Oswald and [IOC inquiry commission head Samuel] Schmid was a shame and so disrespectful."

It was McLaren who initially verified Rodchenkov's claims that athletes who were using a fast-acting cocktail of steroids had their tainted samples swapped for clean urine that had been stored weeks or months earlier. Rodchenkov claimed state agencies kept a list of athletes on a cocktail dubbed the "Duchess."

"Russian athletes were absolutely aware of doping program and followed the strict orders from their authorities," Rodchenkov said. He claimed that "none of the protected athletes are innocent."

[Updated on: Sat, 17 February 2018 03:01]


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Well here's the first one. Guys can't even play curling without some PEDs.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/winter-olympics/43103451

And the "Olympic Athletes for Russia" organizing committee response...



Wonder if that will mess with IOC's agreement with Putin to un-suspend Russia for the closing ceremonies. like teh whole Soichi thing never happened..

Also saw the OAR cross country skiers going full retard yesterday in the 4x15 km team pursuit, the one guy looked like he was shot out of a freaking cannon, got a huge lead, "not normal", they wound up with a silver, beating all the worlds cross country skiing super powers except for the the Norwegians. Hopefully WADA will spend a little more time and attention on their PED tests, not that it'll matter, pretty easy to beat.



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Yeah so like how's bending over for Putin working out for you IOC? lmao

http://nationalpost.com/sports/olympics/russian-spies-hacked -the-olympics-tried-to-make-it-look-like-north-korea

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WASHINGTON — Russian military spies hacked several hundred computers used by authorities at the 2018 Winter Olympic Games in South Korea, according to U.S. intelligence.

They did so while trying to make it appear as though the intrusion was conducted by North Korea, what is known as a “false-flag” operation, said two U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

Officials in Pyeongchang acknowledged that the Games were hit by a cyberattack during the Feb. 9 opening ceremony but had refused to confirm whether Russia was responsible. That evening there were disruptions to the internet, broadcast systems and the Olympics website. Many attendees were unable to print their tickets for the ceremony, resulting in empty seats.

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The intelligence, which has not been publicly affirmed, is consistent with reports from private-sector analysts who have said they saw signs Russia had targeted the 2018 Olympics. It also would continue a pattern of such attempts, including during the 2016 Summer Games in Rio de Janeiro.

Some U.S. officials are concerned the Russians may try to disrupt the closing ceremony on Sunday. “We’re watching it pretty closely,” said one. “It’s essentially a Korean problem,” the official added. “We will help the Koreans as requested.”



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.....so, ten years after the Olympic Games, Russian doping continues to be proven....


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/trackandfield/russia-dopin g-medals-2008-olympics-1.4762347

...."Russian track and field athletes Tatyana Lebedeva and Maria Abakumova lost their appeals to the Court of Arbitration for Sport on Thursday and were stripped of three silver medals for doping at the 2008 Summer Olympics.

CAS confirmed the IOC decisions in 2016 to disqualify the pair, plus compatriot Ekaterina Gnidenko."...

....have to wonder if the Russians, USSR, or their satellite nations ever did compete clean...




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GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 26 July 2018 13:05

.....so, ten years after the Olympic Games, Russian doping continues to be proven....


http://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/trackandfield/russia-dopin g-medals-2008-olympics-1.4762347

...."Russian track and field athletes Tatyana Lebedeva and Maria Abakumova lost their appeals to the Court of Arbitration for Sport on Thursday and were stripped of three silver medals for doping at the 2008 Summer Olympics.

CAS confirmed the IOC decisions in 2016 to disqualify the pair, plus compatriot Ekaterina Gnidenko."...

....have to wonder if the Russians, USSR, or their satellite nations ever did compete clean...


well.. I'll give some of their figure skaters the benefit of the doubt .. oops .. correction ... I forgot the whole bribing the judges thing at Salt Lake...

The worst thing about this is the competitors who lost those medals to the cheats, they have lost 10 years worth of endorsements, coaching opportunities, national sports funding .. etc .. they'll now likely get the medals in the mail to little more than a nice write up in a local newspaper.



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...and the corruption continues....maybe even grows....

https://www.rferl.org/a/wada-russia-reinstatement-olympic-sp orts-doping-ban/29491872.html

..."WADA said its actions were "grounded in pragmatism," reflected "flexibility," and were "entirely in line with the RUSADA Roadmap to Compliance" established in 2017.

Bringing Russia back in compliance "was never going to be achieved without small degrees of movement on both sides," it insisted.

WADA, based in Montreal, suspended RUSADA, Russia's antidoping agency, in 2015 over alleged state-backed doping in sports. Moscow has repeatedly denied state involvement in doping."....

Beckie Scott has taken a stand....she quit...

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/trackandfield/beckie-scot t-wada-russian-doping-agency-1.4825469




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GabbyDugan wrote on Sun, 16 September 2018 10:45

...and the corruption continues....maybe even grows....

https://www.rferl.org/a/wada-russia-reinstatement-olympic-sp orts-doping-ban/29491872.html

..."WADA said its actions were "grounded in pragmatism," reflected "flexibility," and were "entirely in line with the RUSADA Roadmap to Compliance" established in 2017.

Bringing Russia back in compliance "was never going to be achieved without small degrees of movement on both sides," it insisted.

WADA, based in Montreal, suspended RUSADA, Russia's antidoping agency, in 2015 over alleged state-backed doping in sports. Moscow has repeatedly denied state involvement in doping."....

Beckie Scott has taken a stand....she quit...

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/trackandfield/beckie-scot t-wada-russian-doping-agency-1.4825469



The top executives of WADA are all paid off, precisely selected and placed in power for their low moral fiber and willingness to be financially persuaded. WADA is almost as bad as the crooks running the IOC... well almost. WADA is supposed to be the 3rd party "watchdog" that the IOC utilizes to try and legitimize the cleanliness of its competing athletes, trying to make their periodic Olympic parties relevant and believable, to help sell the mirage that is their billion dollar product. In reality IOC and WADA are both just dancing to the multi-million Euro tune of the wealthy national states that support their existence. I think WADA started out as a legitimize agency, dedicated people who had some ideals, but once it started to interfere with the "program", those officials who did not have the required "flexibility" were eventually squeezed out and replaced.

Every country's national sports federation is responsible for the out of international competition testing of its own athletes. International WADA labs don't test them, each "national" sports federation is responsible for testing them, with the tests conducted by their national labs. A lot of trust must be put in the credibility of the national anti-doping-agencies doing the testing, if they are corrupt, their is no legitimate testing program, and that country is not allowed to compete... well that is what is supposed to happen, expulsion of your country is supposed to keep these national agencies honest.... Unless of course you have a few million Euros to drop in the right Swiss accounts.

So what WADA has just decided is that Russia WADA (RUSADA) has been "reformed", ... enough.. so that they can now be trusted to test Russian athletes again... while at the same time still denying their athletes ever doped. They aren't offering any apologies for cheating, just annoyed someone caught them and they have to deal with the bureaucracy of making payoffs.. They have long memories ..don't be surprised if one or all of the Russian whistle blowers will eventually turn up with a nerve agent in their tea.

BTW, its not like anythings changed, proof of that are the Russian athletes still being popped for doping, cross country skiing and biathlon being two sports in particular. The Russian system hasn't changed at all, their athletes views on doping haven't changed at all, its dope as much as you need to, pay off whoever you need to, if you don't get caught, you didn't dope, clean conscious.

Its a sad day for clean athletes world wide, and a great day for state sponsored propaganda. One day clean athletes just won't bother to show up.

Beckie Scott is a hero.

Oh.. and this just in..
Swiss investigate Russian cyber attack on World Anti-Doping Agency

Russia is still actively trying to hack into Swiss WADA and IOC offices.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-swiss-russia/swiss-invest igate-alleged-russian-cyber-attack-on-world-anti-doping-agen cy-idUSKCN1LV0B5


WADA looks even more corrupt. The 5 people on the WADA executive committee (there were 6 on the committee, but Beckie Scott voted against) recommend re-instating RUSADA, and "bringing Russia back into the family", DESPITE the fact that Russia is still actively trying to infiltrate Swiss WADA and IOC offices.
Looks like they really learned their lesson by WADA's suspension.
All that happened was Russia hit the <pause> button .. made the pay-offs, let the bureaucrats go through their motions, waited it out, and ... its back to normal.

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....a very dark day for international sports....

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/wada-russia-reinstatement -1.4831159

...."The World anti-doping agency voted to reinstate the Russian anti-doping agency Thursday morning."...




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GabbyDugan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 06:10

....a very dark day for international sports....

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/olympics/wada-russia-reinstatement -1.4831159

...."The World anti-doping agency voted to reinstate the Russian anti-doping agency Thursday morning."...


They let them back in despite every athlete committee and national anti-doping agency rejecting the idea..
Even the WADA vice president voted against Russia's reinstatement!! The whole system is so rigged and corrupt that they don't even bother to pretend it isn't, they gave up on maintaining that BS facade a long time ago, you pay the money, we'll let you dope your brains out.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/45560353
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World Anti-Doping Agency (Wada) vice-president Linda Helleland says she will vote against lifting the suspension of Russia's anti-doping agency (Rusada) this week.

Wada's executive committee meets in the Seychelles on Thursday where they are expected to pave the way for Russia's readmission into international sport after a major doping scandal.

But Helleland has become the first member of Wada's senior leadership to oppose the move, insisting the country has not yet met key demands.

"I will vote against the reinstatement of Russia," she said as the issue continued to cause unprecedented division within the organisation.


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"If you choose to reinstate Russia, you defy the very wish of the athletes' committees around the world, who have very clearly stated that they will not accept a reinstatement now.

"This moment will forever define the credibility of Wada as the independent and strong front runner for clean sport
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Meanwhile, seven members of Wada's athlete committee - from seven countries - have signed a statement in which they say "any compromise… will be a devastating blow to clean athletes and clean sport".

Ten members of the Wada athlete committee have not added their names to the statement, although its chair - Canadian Olympian Beckie Scott, who resigned from the CRC in protest - is also understood to be in support.

"It is for Rusada to be compliant, not for Wada to change its conditions to make Rusada compliant," they say.

"It should not be possible to commit the biggest doping scandal of the 21st Century and then be reinstated without completing the conditions that have been set.

"Any compromise on the road map will be a devastating blow to clean athletes and clean sport."

As the civil war in global anti-doping has intensified, the UK Anti-Doping Agency (Ukad) has joined with other leading national anti-doping organisations around the world to call for a postponement of any decision by Wada.

In a remarkable joint statement, the bodies said they were "dismayed" at what they called "a shifting of the goalposts" by Wada and accused it of "sending a message to the world that doping is tolerated" over its deal with Russia.

"In the interests of athletes we urge Wada to postpone the decision of its executive committee on Thursday until such time as Russia has clearly and publicly met the outstanding conditions of Wada's roadmap," they said.

Ukad boss Nicole Sapstead told the Press Association: "This just looks bad, so bad. What happened to accountability and transparency? I am very uncomfortable that athletes and the anti-doping community have been given such a short time to respond and react to something so important."

Meanwhile, the US Olympic Committee (USOC) has voiced its concern over the issue.

"We hope that Wada can reach a conclusion on Rusada that will give athletes a firm belief that when they compete, it will be on a level playing field, without any doubts," said chief executive Sarah Hirshland.

"Anything that stops short of satisfying that will not only be a huge disappointment to the USOC and American athletes, but to the entire Olympic and Paralympic movements."



The Olympics continue to be a fraud. My hope is they eventually devolve to nothingness.

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Hurdler great Edwin Moses, chair of the US anti-doping board, calls for WADA investigation to bullying tactics experienced by Canada's Beckie Scott by WADA leaders.
https://scroll.in/field/898843/ed-moses-backs-calls-for-prob e-into-wada-over-bullying-claims-after-russias-reinstatement
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Athletics great Ed Moses says he was told to “shut up” at a meeting of world anti-doping chiefs as he backed calls Friday for an investigation into bullying claims at the organisation.

Moses, chair of the US Anti-Doping Agency, said a “hostile atmosphere” was “increasingly becoming the norm in the global anti-doping cauldron”.

His comments, in an opinion piece in the Sydney Morning Herald, follow allegations by Beckie Scott, chair of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Athlete Committee, that she was “bullied” by some Wada officials over her opposition to reinstating Russia’s anti-doping agency.

Scott, a Canadian former Olympic cross-country skiing champion, last month resigned from the panel that recommended lifting the ban on RUSADA, which had been declared non-compliant in 2015 after revelations of a vast state-backed scheme to avoid drug testers.

Lifting the ban was blasted by many athletes and national anti-doping agencies.

Moses, also a physicist who pioneered the development of anti-doping policies while working at the US Olympic Committee, said he too had witnessed bullying.

“Unfortunately, Scott is not alone in being attacked for wanting to clean things up,” he said.

“It was only in May, at Wada’s last foundation board meeting, that I was told bluntly by various individuals not to speak. I was told to shut up.



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