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Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719370]	Tue, 02 October 2018 12:21

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I like this better than Jerabek and also Gryba.

I know Garrison is slow but can make a pass and a good 6 7 guy.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719371 is a reply to message #719370 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 12:25

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Not exciting, but I'm good with this. Low salary, easily buried if need be. Cheap 6/7/8 option for the D. Replaces the Jerabek contract.

I'm still hopeful there is a "spare parts - for - Faulk" trade coming down the pipe on Thursday, but not expecting that to happen.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719373 is a reply to message #719371 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 12:39

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AndersonRules wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 12:25

Another example of Chia math result in a little deal, Garrison + Gryba buyout - Jerabek = 0

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719383 is a reply to message #719373 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 14:03

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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 12:39

AndersonRules wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 12:25

Another example of Chia math result in a little deal, Garrison + Gryba buyout - Jerabek = 0

I assume there's another announcement coming shortly that they're buying him out. It's only for two years and saves us $325,000 on the cap.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719379 is a reply to message #719370 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 13:47

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I'm sure Mr Garrison will be ok for a 7th defenceman, but will take a beating on this site because some will never be satisfied. Only made sense to get rid of Jerabek, get something of value, and save 1/3 mill against the cap.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719382 is a reply to message #719370 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 14:02

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J. Garrison or B. Davidson[ 32 vote(s) ]

1. J. Garrison 9 / 28%
2. B. Davidson 23 / 72%

Just wondering, who would you rather have playing D, for the same price, a 33 year old Garrison or 27 year old Davidson?

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719386 is a reply to message #719382 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 14:35

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 15:02

Just wondering, who would you rather have playing D, for the same price, a 33 year old Garrison or 27 year old Davidson?

Didn't Davidson turn the Oilers down? Is this really a fair pole, Skook? If Davidson chose to PTO somewhere else, is that really on the Oilers? I guess you could be suggesting that they should've just singed Davidson, but again, maybe he didn't want to come back and get used and abused for a 3rd time.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719390 is a reply to message #719386 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 15:08

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OilPeg wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 14:35

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 15:02

Just wondering, who would you rather have playing D, for the same price, a 33 year old Garrison or 27 year old Davidson?

Davidson turned down the Oilers offer of a PTO - but the Oilers signed Gravel and Jerebek in the lead up to that offer. In hindsight, simply offering a league minimum contract to Davidson - a known entity - would probably have been the more prudent move.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719392 is a reply to message #719386 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 15:16

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OilPeg wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 13:35

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 15:02

Just wondering, who would you rather have playing D, for the same price, a 33 year old Garrison or 27 year old Davidson?

True, Davidson might have wanted more than $650K at the time, although he wound up signing for only $650K in Chicago.. I do think for the small difference you would have likely needed to pay for a Davidson then, for a Garrison now, would probably be justified for getting a better D man, certainly quicker anyway. I always thought Davidson had the wheels, shot, just needed the experience to play NHL regularly, interesting to see how he does in Chicago.

Oh well, we'll see what Garrison has left in the tank!

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719394 is a reply to message #719392 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 15:26

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....so with Bear going down to Bakersfield and Kris Russell going on IR, the opening roster is set, I guess....

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-finalize-open ing-day-playing-roster/c-300563502?tid=281885168

...oh wait....according to Bob MacKenzie, Sekera has gone on LTIR, and Bear has been recalled....

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-ink-garrison-chiasson-to-deals-1.1 184819

..."Later Tuesday, the Oilers placed defenceman Andrej Sekera on the long term injured reserve and recalled 21-year-old defenceman Ethan Bear from the American Hockey League."...

[Updated on: Tue, 02 October 2018 16:03]

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719400 is a reply to message #719394 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 15:58

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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 15:26

Bear, Bouchard, Yamamoto, Cagguila, Kharia, Rattie, Koskinen.... That's a lot of bubble players to dress on opening night. Get's even worse when you factor in how 6 of the remaining 14 players are already "bottom roster" performers. Take away McDavid and it may be one of the worst line-ups we've dressed in the past decade.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719413 is a reply to message #719400 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 17:25

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REALLY???!?!?!? Then you haven't been watching... or not understanding what you are seeing... not sure which...

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719418 is a reply to message #719413 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 17:53

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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 17:25

REALLY???!?!?!? Then you haven't been watching... or not understanding what you are seeing... not sure which...

Bouchard and Yamamoto are raw rookies. Bear is trending well but still a bubble player. Cagguila and Kharia are fringe NHLers that would struggle to crack the roster on most teams. Rattie is a career AHLer who the coach and GM are gambling is a late-bloomer. Koskinen is a KHL vet with all of 4 NHL games under his belt at the age of 30.

McDavid, Nuge, Draisaitl are the only FWs who are legit top 6 players, with Puljujarvi sitting on the cusp. Lucic is trending hard toward being a bottom 6 player for the rest of his contract, with Kassian, Reider, Strome, and Brodziak all being bottom 6 guys.

So, at FW, we have half a top 6, plus 6 bottom roster NHLers and a bunch of bubble players.

On the back end we have Klefbom -- Larsson, Nurse -- Benning, Garrison -- Bouchard/Bear. So once again we have half a d-core (Klef, Larsson, Nurse), with Benning playing up in the line-up and a bottom pairing comprised of rookies and a 33yo who spent the last season in the AHL.

Take away McDavid and:

Lucic - Draisaitl - Rattie
Reider - Nuge - Yamamoto
Kharia - Strome - Puljujarvi
Cagguila - Brodziak - Kassian

Klefbom - Larsson
Nurse - Benning
Garrison - Bear/Bouchard

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Koskinen

Is pretty darn bad, and not far removed from the halcyon days of Tom Renney.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719420 is a reply to message #719418 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 18:00

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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 17:53

welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 17:25

REALLY???!?!?!? Then you haven't been watching... or not understanding what you are seeing... not sure which...

Pray to whatever higher power you believe in that McDavid doesn't get hurt. That roster is U-G-L-Y.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719421 is a reply to message #719420 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 18:06

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I respectfully disagree, but I don't want to get into one of the arguments that plague this site these days, so I'll just leave it at that. I'll just say that the difference quality up and down the lineup makes 2010, 2015, 2014 look like AHL teams aside from the Austins.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719424 is a reply to message #719421 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 18:34

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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 18:06

I enjoy this take. Thank you OC.

I have this idea in my mind that Todd and Chia think youth means speed and it’s their attempt at moving the needle towards a speed team. Just my two cents.

I personally like the signing of Chiasson and Garrison. These guys have been around and know what it takes. Also, Chiasson seemed to have been a favourite of GG while they were in Calgary. A fourth line of Chiasson-Brodziak-Kassian is (on paper) pretty good and they are all guys who serve not just a shutdown and energy role but can also PK rather well. Days of The Drake on the PK may soon be over.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719396 is a reply to message #719392 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 15:50

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 15:16

OilPeg wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 13:35

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 15:02

Just wondering, who would you rather have playing D, for the same price, a 33 year old Garrison or 27 year old Davidson?

And they signed Jerebek for $1MM per year...so if it was $700K for Davidson instead, it probably would have made sense. I'd also think that at 6 years younger and not quite as slow-of-foot as Garrison, Davidson would have made sense.

Garrison has more offence historically, but I worry about what declining footspeed means there.

Ideally, he's the seventh guy and isn't playing much, so there's always that hope at least.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719430 is a reply to message #719382 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 21:15

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Gryba vs. Garrison[ 17 vote(s) ]

1. Eric Gryba 2 / 12%
2. Jason Garrison 15 / 88%

Out of interest, who would you prefer - Gryba or Garrison?

I'm not Gryba fan, but I don't think it's a lot different having Garrison in that role.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719432 is a reply to message #719430 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 21:17

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Adam wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 21:15

Out of interest, who would you prefer - Gryba or Garrison?

I'm not Gryba fan, but I don't think it's a lot different having Garrison in that role.

Gryba is just not smart enough and too slow to be on a good team. Garrison at least has some brains, even though his body is toast.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719433 is a reply to message #719432 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 21:18

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 21:17

Adam wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 21:15

Out of interest, who would you prefer - Gryba or Garrison?

I'm not Gryba fan, but I don't think it's a lot different having Garrison in that role.

Gryba is just not smart enough and too slow to be on a good team. Garrison at least has some brains, even though his body is toast.

I did vote for Garrison. I think it's pretty close though...

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719384 is a reply to message #719370 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 14:07

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719438 is a reply to message #719370 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 22:04

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Not better than Davidson.

Won a spot over Jerabek and Gravel.

In the end, I think he's close to what you want in a #7. Veteran, so you won't hamper his development. Someone who is alright in that role of sitting for long periods and will be positive and help the other defensemen. Can play sheltered minutes if called upon. CHEAP. Not on a long-term deal.

I think if the Chiasson and Garrison signings show anything, it is that you don't need to rush into the summer to sign Lowe, Gravel, and Jerabek (all cheap enough to not be a cap problem, but all contracts against the limit and all potentially taking up icetime from prospects).

It also shows that you don't overpay the Caggiulas and the Kassians. You either let them walk or negotiate a cheaper contract (like happened with Smith-Pelly this year). There are a lot of depth guys available on PTOs and they are usually quite happy to take whatever is left after you've signed your top players.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719441 is a reply to message #719438 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 22:46

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 21:04

I have a feeling Gravel will be back. I think the AHL demotion was a plan to get him through waivers early when all the other teams still had full rosters, and they'd be hoping for something better available for pick up later on..

Gravel hasn't played hockey for quite a while, I think once he gets his legs and play up to speed, we might see him back as a possible 6 or 7.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719451 is a reply to message #719441 ]	Wed, 03 October 2018 08:22

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I like Davidson as a guy, I like his story but I really don't get this almost folk hero status he has. He's a 6-7 defensive dman. That's it. He's a defensive dman who can do OK but isn't great. He's been in the Oilers organization for a long time. He's had 2 stints with the Oilers. The Oilers in their playoff run where teams usually load up on dmen, felt so highly of him they traded him to Montreal. Montreal who's defense has been crap for multiple years, felt so highly of him, they put him on waivers. Edmonton who's defense wasn't doing well due to injuries mostly, picked him up because they were familiar with him. They felt so highly of him again, they traded him to the Islanders. The Islanders who's defense isn't very good, decided not to resign him for what would have been a cheap contract. 30 other teams could have had him but no one touched him so he went to Chicago on a PTO and got a contract.

I am extremely happy for Davidson, I am glad he got a contract. I hope nothing but the best for him. But being that the Oilers drafted, have had him for 8 years, 2 stints in the NHL, it's time to move on. I don't have any expectations for Garrison other than hopefully playing spot duty but the Oilers in my opinion have MORE than been there and done that with Davidson. It's time to try someone else.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719455 is a reply to message #719451 ]	Wed, 03 October 2018 09:28

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 08:22

I'd hardly consider "better than Jason Garrison" (who has been in the AHL the past couple years), folk hero status.

And I actually think knowing what Davidson is, is something in his favour. We know he's a reliable, cheap, 6-7. He's not a rookie, but also not so old where the wheels fall off at any time. With Garrison... at this point he's a bit of a wildcard. He's older. He's been out of the league. He looked rough at the beginning of camp but okay towards the end of it. It's not a terrible gamble because it's pretty low-risk, but it's not outrageous to point out there were less risk and higher reward options out there.

Also, just because the Oilers (or Montreal for that matter) did something, doesn't mean it was right. Moving Davidson meant they had to dress Griffin Reinhart and Eric Gryba as a pairing in a playoff game. The Oilers keeping them over Davidson doesn't automatically mean that was the right choice. There is a reason Edmonton, Montreal, and the Islanders have the reputation they do.

I don't think anyone on here is saying Davidson is a top four guy. I think we are saying he is better than Garrison and Jerebek who the Oilers opted to bring to camp instead. That's not a crazy statement.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719459 is a reply to message #719455 ]	Wed, 03 October 2018 09:52

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 08:22

Surely you have seen the amount of articles written about Davidson the multiple times he was in Edmonton, when he was traded both times, during this offseason, when turned down the Oilers PTO, when he signed with the Hawks and even as of the other day when they signed Garrison. Plus the amount of times I have heard him talked about by McCurdy, Willis, Lowetide, you name it. That is more of what I am talking about. He's a 6-7, extremely unspectacular, mediocre, dman. The amount of print and talk this guy gets is ridiculous don't you think?

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719483 is a reply to message #719459 ]	Wed, 03 October 2018 13:29

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 09:52

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 09:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 08:22

So because journalists right articles about a player (aka their job) that equates to near folk hero status? Guarantee none of these articles are gushing over him like he's the next Bobby Orr. Yes, a majority of Oiler fans like him as a 6/7 guy but saying he has some kind folk hero sttaus his is quite the exaggeration. Here's the article on him declining the PTO...

https://oilersnation.com/2018/08/21/brandon-davidson-decline s-pto-from-oilers/

Merely, reporting Oiler related news.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719456 is a reply to message #719451 ]	Wed, 03 October 2018 09:33

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 08:22

Like everything else, if it happened in a vacuum, the Davidson thing isn't that big a deal. But it's one of many, many questionable decisions. The first Davidson trade was some sort of effort to avoid losing him to Vegas. So instead we lost Reinhart, who was trash, but trash that Chiarelli traded multiple pieces to obtain. I absolutely think Davidson could have helped in that playoff run. Then we re-sign him, so apparently Chiarelli thought he was a fit? then traded again, then they offer him a PTO. The whole thing just seems like the actions of a management team that doesn't have a plan and just makes moves to make moves.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Oilers Sign Garrison 1 way $650,000 [message #719460 is a reply to message #719456 ]	Wed, 03 October 2018 09:58

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 09:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 October 2018 08:22

Hey, I get it. I have zero ill will against Davidson, I am pulling for the guy but like I just said, he is at best a 6-7 dman. Would I be upset if he was an Oiler? Not at all, I'd be fine with it but at the same time, he is what he is and they have tried him several times. I don't really have a problem with trying someone else AND they did offer him a PTO, he turned it down. At the end of the day, if the fortunes of the Oilers are contingent on the Oilers #6-7 dman, they are in big time trouble.

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