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....some Oilers regulars get into their first pre-season action....

https://www.tsn.ca/ice-chips-talbot-to-play-full-game-vs-jet s-1.1176371

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Khaira-McLeod-Puljujarvi

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...Jets look like a mixture of regulars and a lot of AHL'ers mixed in

Lines, defensive pairings and goaltending courtesy of TSN's Sara Orlesky.

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Nice! Finally some first and second line & pair players.


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Our 3rd pairing will be a tire fire.


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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 12:28

Our 3rd pairing will be a tire fire.

Jathen Bearisson? I think they'll do great! Wait is this the positivity thread?



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The game is on TV, but it's on TSN3 and blacked out everywhere except the Jets region.


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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 12:43

The game is on TV, but it's on TSN3 and blacked out everywhere except the Jets region.



Looks like it's on center ice.

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Nice to see the 2nd pair we are gonna start the year with getting some time together.


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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 13:36

Nice to see the 2nd pair we are gonna start the year with getting some time together.

I think the second pair will be Nurse- Benning with Bouchard in the 3rd with Russell if he makes the team. I am a bit surprised Garrison gets another game. He's not making the team.



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Is free use of the LRT included with my ticket to the Oilers game tonight? I know they do for the Esks games but I couldn't find any clarification on Oilers games.


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Looch wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 17:36

Is free use of the LRT included with my ticket to the Oilers game tonight? I know they do for the Esks games but I couldn't find any clarification on Oilers games.


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Nuge from McD. More please.


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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 20:10

Nuge from McD. More please.


That line looks good. Rattie doesnt look like a 30 goal guy but he seems to have a good sense for getting his stick free in front of the net. McDavid has got it to him 4 or 5 times. None have gone in but consistent chances are nice to see from that right side.



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 20:20

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 20:10

Nuge from McD. More please.


That line looks good. Rattie doesnt look like a 30 goal guy but he seems to have a good sense for getting his stick free in front of the net. McDavid has got it to him 4 or 5 times. None have gone in but consistent chances are nice to see from that right side.


And minutes after he scores



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Lucic looking like garbage so far, sigh...

Figured he would want to make a statement after all the crap last season. Nah.



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McDavid+Nuge+someone that doesn't panic when they have a chance to score = good things happening

Hopefully Rattie can be our Guentzel.



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So Lucic scores on the PP in his first game.

Talbot looks like he remembered how to play goal again.

Puljujarvi might have figured out that when you are as big, fast and skilled as he is, you can do a hell of a lot of damage.

Bouchard looks like he the real deal and won't be long from the NHL.

The power play looks like it might actually work. 4 PP goals in 3 games.

The McDavid-Nuge combo looks legit and they look like they have been playing with one another for years..

Rattie has 7 freaking points in 2 games. 5 points tonight and he is scoring with and without McDavid.

They are 3-0.

It's preseason I know. But I don't know if this could have gone much better.

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Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

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Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

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2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


That's a PP goal.

5v5 they did next to nothing.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:40

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


That's a PP goal.

5v5 they did next to nothing.


Yep, there were some good things in this game but the second line was not one of them. Lucic was especially bad.
Bouchard was also a low point, some questionable decision making and often out of position.

Overall though a fun game to watch. First line was dynamic and exciting, always a threat. I am holding back on excitement though given this was largely the Jets second team.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 22:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


I have to be consistent here. It really doesn't matter. What does Lucic care about this game? He's on the team. He has to stay healthy and while it's nice to shake the rust off, it's hard to play his style when you're not going to be overly rowdy. There's just no real good reason to go pasting wanna-bes, and so it's hard to play with a lot of edge or emotion.

Would it be nice to see them dominating? Sure. But I'm not going to be any more worried about Lucic based on exhibition play.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 23:16

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 22:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


I have to be consistent here. It really doesn't matter. What does Lucic care about this game? He's on the team. He has to stay healthy and while it's nice to shake the rust off, it's hard to play his style when you're not going to be overly rowdy. There's just no real good reason to go pasting wanna-bes, and so it's hard to play with a lot of edge or emotion.

Would it be nice to see them dominating? Sure. But I'm not going to be any more worried about Lucic based on exhibition play.


Preseason: Lucic is just saving himself for the regular season.
Regular season: Lucic is just saving himself for playoffs
Playoffs: cry


The annoying part is how much he looked exactly like the guy that could get nothing done in the last half of last season. Still lumbering around. Still looking clueless in the offensive zone, standing still behind defenders instead of trying to get open. Still tossing the puck to the other team any time he needs to make a play.

Bleh...hope he really is hiding a new Lucic in there. Maybe it was too much to ask for a guy that laid a massive egg for 3-4 months to finish last year to come out and try to show to himself and his team that this year will be different in his first game action.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 23:16

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 22:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


I have to be consistent here. It really doesn't matter. What does Lucic care about this game? He's on the team. He has to stay healthy and while it's nice to shake the rust off, it's hard to play his style when you're not going to be overly rowdy. There's just no real good reason to go pasting wanna-bes, and so it's hard to play with a lot of edge or emotion.

Would it be nice to see them dominating? Sure. But I'm not going to be any more worried about Lucic based on exhibition play.

It’s true. I cant put much stock in what I saw, because at times I mistook Draisaitl for Lucic, the way he was skating out there. You just know with the big game in Köln coming, Leon will have a different level of intensity.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 23:16

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 22:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


I have to be consistent here. It really doesn't matter. What does Lucic care about this game? He's on the team. He has to stay healthy and while it's nice to shake the rust off, it's hard to play his style when you're not going to be overly rowdy. There's just no real good reason to go pasting wanna-bes, and so it's hard to play with a lot of edge or emotion.

Would it be nice to see them dominating? Sure. But I'm not going to be any more worried about Lucic based on exhibition play.


Ya, I get that it is tough for a vet to get up for a preseason game but I was just hoping for a bit of something, anything from Lucic. After last season, the talk of his pride driving him to improve, etc, I hoped to see that.

Much like I am not thinking the top line scores a handful every night I am not panicking about the second line.



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 22:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:30

2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


It's their first preseason game played on Sept 20. The first regular season game is Oct 6. That's 16 days away. I know everyone thinks I am a management apologist which I am not but I am not going to freak out and immediately think the second line is crap barely a week into camp. I'd like to give that line some time to gel a bit. Reider is brand new to the team, it will take time to get used to playing with Leon and Lucic. Plus in my opinion, the center has to drive the line. I don't ever expect Lucic to drive a line. I expect him to go around hit some guys, go talk to some guys to tell them to cool it like he did with Lemeuix when he was running around which was a lot less after Lucic said something to him, go to the net, clean up the garbage. Didn't seem like Leon was going yet.

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2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


It's their first preseason game played on Sept 20. The first regular season game is Oct 6. That's 16 days away. I know everyone thinks I am a management apologist which I am not but I am not going to freak out and immediately think the second line is crap barely a week into camp. I'd like to give that line some time to gel a bit. Reider is brand new to the team, it will take time to get used to playing with Leon and Lucic. Plus in my opinion, the center has to drive the line. I don't ever expect Lucic to drive a line. I expect him to go around hit some guys, go talk to some guys to tell them to cool it like he did with Lemeuix when he was running around which was a lot less after Lucic said something to him, go to the net, clean up the garbage. Didn't seem like Leon was going yet.


I agree with it being a preseason game and having 16 days to improve I just hoped to see Lucic back on the ice for the first time showing some positive habits and traits.

I just said this to Adam but it is worth repeating, the preseason is no reason to get too high or too low.

I am definitively not writing off that second line in any way. I hope they can find some chemistry and Lucic has a bounce back year as that will be very important to success this season.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 09:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 08:20

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 22:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:38

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 20 September 2018 21:35

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2018 pre-season champs. icon_rolleyes


Maybe my memory is failing me, but good pre-seasons always lead to awesome regular seasons for the Oilers right? drink


In any case. That 1st line we have will still be dismantling many teams in the regular season. McLellan needs to figure out that 2nd line ASAP. It was not good tonight.


So the second line is junk after 1 game even though Lucic scored a PP goal and Leon got an assist? Is your name Adam?


Did you watch the game? The second line was terrible except for 2 or 3 plays.
On the Lucic PP goal Drai literally banked the puck off of Milan's stick. Credit for being in the right spot but it isnt like he did much.

Overall that line got outplayed consistently by minor leaguers and junior players.


It's their first preseason game played on Sept 20. The first regular season game is Oct 6. That's 16 days away. I know everyone thinks I am a management apologist which I am not but I am not going to freak out and immediately think the second line is crap barely a week into camp. I'd like to give that line some time to gel a bit. Reider is brand new to the team, it will take time to get used to playing with Leon and Lucic. Plus in my opinion, the center has to drive the line. I don't ever expect Lucic to drive a line. I expect him to go around hit some guys, go talk to some guys to tell them to cool it like he did with Lemeuix when he was running around which was a lot less after Lucic said something to him, go to the net, clean up the garbage. Didn't seem like Leon was going yet.


I agree with it being a preseason game and having 16 days to improve I just hoped to see Lucic back on the ice for the first time showing some positive habits and traits.

I just said this to Adam but it is worth repeating, the preseason is no reason to get too high or too low.

I am definitively not writing off that second line in any way. I hope they can find some chemistry and Lucic has a bounce back year as that will be very important to success this season.


When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.



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When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.


I think that is a very good point and a positive takeaway for sure.
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When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.


I think that is a very good point and a positive takeaway for sure.
Confidence is big thing for a lot if not most athletes.


Can I be a downer and drag this in another direction? :)

Maybe Lucic getting a goal last night after doing next to nothing will give him a sense of false confidence. Not only with him, but the coaches too. Lucic can think, oh yeah, that was good enough, maybe it was just bad luck last year, I can just keep playing the same now. And the coaches can think the PP is all good again and we can glue Lucic to the 1st unit indefinitely regardless of the results icon_biggrin



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 11:51

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 10:55


When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.


I think that is a very good point and a positive takeaway for sure.
Confidence is big thing for a lot if not most athletes.


Can I be a downer and drag this in another direction? :)

Maybe Lucic getting a goal last night after doing next to nothing will give him a sense of false confidence. Not only with him, but the coaches too. Lucic can think, oh yeah, that was good enough, maybe it was just bad luck last year, I can just keep playing the same now. And the coaches can think the PP is all good again and we can glue Lucic to the 1st unit indefinitely regardless of the results icon_biggrin


I thought Lucic was already glued indefinitely to the first PP regardless of any results? Did they ever take him off it last year? I believe the talking point is that it doesn't matter who the net front presence is as much, and he's a big body that's hard to move, so why would they put him there over anyone else (including Maroon, who was actually scoring points still and was also a big body and who occasionally is even able to tip a puck...)

But wait a sec - I thought you were supposed to be the ray of sunshine in here? This negativity is very unbecoming. What, are you named Adam now or something?!



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Adam wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 12:02

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 11:51

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When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.


I think that is a very good point and a positive takeaway for sure.
Confidence is big thing for a lot if not most athletes.


Can I be a downer and drag this in another direction? :)

Maybe Lucic getting a goal last night after doing next to nothing will give him a sense of false confidence. Not only with him, but the coaches too. Lucic can think, oh yeah, that was good enough, maybe it was just bad luck last year, I can just keep playing the same now. And the coaches can think the PP is all good again and we can glue Lucic to the 1st unit indefinitely regardless of the results icon_biggrin


I thought Lucic was already glued indefinitely to the first PP regardless of any results? Did they ever take him off it last year? I believe the talking point is that it doesn't matter who the net front presence is as much, and he's a big body that's hard to move, so why would they put him there over anyone else (including Maroon, who was actually scoring points still and was also a big body and who occasionally is even able to tip a puck...)

But wait a sec - I thought you were supposed to be the ray of sunshine in here? This negativity is very unbecoming. What, are you named Adam now or something?!


If he has the confidence and the strong net presence than the team will need his big body in front of the net.
Assuming RNH and MCD are locks they are more perimeter passers on the PP. Klefbom on the point makes sense to me. That leaves a shooter and a net presence. I am hoping JP grows into the shooter role and Lucic adequately fills the net presence side of things. Add in McDavids commitment to shooting and scoring more and that is a top 5 PP!

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Adam wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 12:02

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 11:51

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When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.


I think that is a very good point and a positive takeaway for sure.
Confidence is big thing for a lot if not most athletes.


Can I be a downer and drag this in another direction? :)

Maybe Lucic getting a goal last night after doing next to nothing will give him a sense of false confidence. Not only with him, but the coaches too. Lucic can think, oh yeah, that was good enough, maybe it was just bad luck last year, I can just keep playing the same now. And the coaches can think the PP is all good again and we can glue Lucic to the 1st unit indefinitely regardless of the results icon_biggrin


I thought Lucic was already glued indefinitely to the first PP regardless of any results? Did they ever take him off it last year? I believe the talking point is that it doesn't matter who the net front presence is as much, and he's a big body that's hard to move, so why would they put him there over anyone else (including Maroon, who was actually scoring points still and was also a big body and who occasionally is even able to tip a puck...)

But wait a sec - I thought you were supposed to be the ray of sunshine in here? This negativity is very unbecoming. What, are you named Adam now or something?!


Unfortunately, with the over the top positivity thread, I have been forced to move towards the negative for a while.

I was hopeful with Viveiros that there would be a new approach to the PP, but last night was a mirror image of last season with the 1st unit. Maybe you're right, Lucic 4 Life on the 1st unit no matter what the results are is already locked in.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 12:58

Adam wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 12:02

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 11:51

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 10:55


When it comes to Lucic, I look at it like this. He scored what, 1 goal in like 45 games or something crazy like that last year. It's preseason, I am not getting overly too high on 1 game but last year in that same situation he was hitting the post, he was putting it wide or missing the puck all together because his confidence was non existent. He put it in. He scored in his first game back. When you are trying to build yourself back up and believe in yourself again, scoring in your first game and doing it in a "Lucic" way which is bulling your way to the net and ramming on in has to be a small positive for him. The Oilers need Lucic to be better this year for them to have a chance.


I think that is a very good point and a positive takeaway for sure.
Confidence is big thing for a lot if not most athletes.


Can I be a downer and drag this in another direction? :)

Maybe Lucic getting a goal last night after doing next to nothing will give him a sense of false confidence. Not only with him, but the coaches too. Lucic can think, oh yeah, that was good enough, maybe it was just bad luck last year, I can just keep playing the same now. And the coaches can think the PP is all good again and we can glue Lucic to the 1st unit indefinitely regardless of the results icon_biggrin


I thought Lucic was already glued indefinitely to the first PP regardless of any results? Did they ever take him off it last year? I believe the talking point is that it doesn't matter who the net front presence is as much, and he's a big body that's hard to move, so why would they put him there over anyone else (including Maroon, who was actually scoring points still and was also a big body and who occasionally is even able to tip a puck...)

But wait a sec - I thought you were supposed to be the ray of sunshine in here? This negativity is very unbecoming. What, are you named Adam now or something?!


Unfortunately, with the over the top positivity thread, I have been forced to move towards the negative for a while.

I was hopeful with Viveiros that there would be a new approach to the PP, but last night was a mirror image of last season with the 1st unit. Maybe you're right, Lucic 4 Life on the 1st unit no matter what the results are is already locked in.


It was the first game for the potential #1 unit against someone else other than their own guys who let's be real here, their own guys in practice are probably not hacking and wacking, crosschecking and selling out to block shots. The Oilers PP goes 2 for 5 last night which is 40%, some of which weren't even full PP's thanks to penalties. Over the preseason they are 4-13 which is over 30% and you think the PP sucks?

We are a WEEK into camp. Some of you guys really need to get a grip.



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It was the first game for the potential #1 unit against someone else other than their own guys who let's be real here, their own guys in practice are probably not hacking and wacking, crosschecking and selling out to block shots. The Oilers PP goes 2 for 5 last night which is 40%, some of which weren't even full PP's thanks to penalties. Over the preseason they are 4-13 which is over 30% and you think the PP sucks?

We are a WEEK into camp. Some of you guys really need to get a grip.


I think the concern is that other than 16/17, Lucic has never really been a great PP producer. The 3/4/7 that he posted last year is much more in line with his career averages (3.75 PP goals/10 PP points per 82 games) than the 12/13/25 that he posted the year before.

So if the coaching staff is going to staple Lucic to the PP again this year (and scoring a PP goal in his first pre-season game is only going to predispose them to that plan even more), then that may not be the best thing for the PP overall.

Now, as many have said multiple times, it's preseason so you shouldn't read too much into it either way.




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It was the first game for the potential #1 unit against someone else other than their own guys who let's be real here, their own guys in practice are probably not hacking and wacking, crosschecking and selling out to block shots. The Oilers PP goes 2 for 5 last night which is 40%, some of which weren't even full PP's thanks to penalties. Over the preseason they are 4-13 which is over 30% and you think the PP sucks?

We are a WEEK into camp. Some of you guys really need to get a grip.


I think the concern is that other than 16/17, Lucic has never really been a great PP producer. The 3/4/7 that he posted last year is much more in line with his career averages (3.75 PP goals/10 PP points per 82 games) than the 12/13/25 that he posted the year before.

So if the coaching staff is going to staple Lucic to the PP again this year (and scoring a PP goal in his first pre-season game is only going to predispose them to that plan even more), then that may not be the best thing for the PP overall.

Now, as many have said multiple times, it's preseason so you shouldn't read too much into it either way.




I get it, Lucic had a brutal year last year and he over his career has not been a typically strong PP guy. Totally fair. Lucic was so down on himself last year, he couldn't hit the side of a bus so I don't know if using last years season is something I would go off of right now but it happened, he has to own that. At the same time, he scored 12 PP goals and 25 PP points the year before. That PP was 5th in the league. So he has shown he CAN do. Does that mean he will this season? NO.

That being said, I believe and most teams believe you have to have a net front presence of some kind. If you allow the goalie the ability to complete see every single shot, uncontested, unless he sucks, completely misplays it, or you have the absolute perfect shot, most goalie will stop every single shot they see. I personally do not think a small guy can be an effective net front presence because the goalies are usually so big and a small guy can get pushed around. SO if you have a guy like Lucic who is difficult to handle because he is so big, it will cause the opposition problems. So I believe and I don't know if anyone tracks this or how you would is that Lucic being on the ice on the PP, causing havoc causes goals. He may not get a point but having him screening the goalie, forcing the defender worry about him and battle with him, opens up time and space for your other players and makes it harder for the goalie to stop shots. Plus quite frankly, the guys who are going to make the PP go are McDavid, Leon and Nuge. Any points Lucic gets is bonus.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 14:08

Goose wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 13:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 12:18


It was the first game for the potential #1 unit against someone else other than their own guys who let's be real here, their own guys in practice are probably not hacking and wacking, crosschecking and selling out to block shots. The Oilers PP goes 2 for 5 last night which is 40%, some of which weren't even full PP's thanks to penalties. Over the preseason they are 4-13 which is over 30% and you think the PP sucks?

We are a WEEK into camp. Some of you guys really need to get a grip.


I think the concern is that other than 16/17, Lucic has never really been a great PP producer. The 3/4/7 that he posted last year is much more in line with his career averages (3.75 PP goals/10 PP points per 82 games) than the 12/13/25 that he posted the year before.

So if the coaching staff is going to staple Lucic to the PP again this year (and scoring a PP goal in his first pre-season game is only going to predispose them to that plan even more), then that may not be the best thing for the PP overall.

Now, as many have said multiple times, it's preseason so you shouldn't read too much into it either way.




I get it, Lucic had a brutal year last year and he over his career has not been a typically strong PP guy. Totally fair. Lucic was so down on himself last year, he couldn't hit the side of a bus so I don't know if using last years season is something I would go off of right now but it happened, he has to own that. At the same time, he scored 12 PP goals and 25 PP points the year before. That PP was 5th in the league. So he has shown he CAN do. Does that mean he will this season? NO.

That being said, I believe and most teams believe you have to have a net front presence of some kind. If you allow the goalie the ability to complete see every single shot, uncontested, unless he sucks, completely misplays it, or you have the absolute perfect shot, most goalie will stop every single shot they see. I personally do not think a small guy can be an effective net front presence because the goalies are usually so big and a small guy can get pushed around. SO if you have a guy like Lucic who is difficult to handle because he is so big, it will cause the opposition problems. So I believe and I don't know if anyone tracks this or how you would is that Lucic being on the ice on the PP, causing havoc causes goals. He may not get a point but having him screening the goalie, forcing the defender worry about him and battle with him, opens up time and space for your other players and makes it harder for the goalie to stop shots. Plus quite frankly, the guys who are going to make the PP go are McDavid, Leon and Nuge. Any points Lucic gets is bonus.


If your net front presence isn't picking up points, that's a massive problem. That person has opportunities for tips, rebounds, cross-crease bang-ins. They should be producing at a solid rate.

It's worth noting that some of our best net-front guys over the years haven't been overly big. Craig Simpson, Ryan Smyth, Shawn Horcoff...all were decent sized, but not behemoths - and yet they produced in that role. There is a reason why Ryan Rishaug was laughed out of the room for asking why Georges Laraque wasn't the net-front guy back in the day. It's not just about setting a screen. If that's all your doing, then it's not enough.

Those other guys even all played in eras where there was a lot more cross-checking and wear on the net-front guy. If you get the kind of abuse Simpson did, you would always be on the powerplay now.

Lucic was an anchor last year around the PP's neck. That the team wouldn't ever change was an indictment of the coaching staff, because it clearly wasn't working.

I don't think he's an ideal net-front presence, because after two years of watching him here, I don't see much ability to either tip shots or to retrieve rebounds. He just pretty much stands there, which isn't helpful. I would like to see the Oilers try others in that role. I don't think they need to be Lucic-sized to be successful, and certainly, it would not take much to be as successful as Lucic.




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Adam wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 16:38

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 14:08

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 September 2018 12:18


It was the first game for the potential #1 unit against someone else other than their own guys who let's be real here, their own guys in practice are probably not hacking and wacking, crosschecking and selling out to block shots. The Oilers PP goes 2 for 5 last night which is 40%, some of which weren't even full PP's thanks to penalties. Over the preseason they are 4-13 which is over 30% and you think the PP sucks?

We are a WEEK into camp. Some of you guys really need to get a grip.


I think the concern is that other than 16/17, Lucic has never really been a great PP producer. The 3/4/7 that he posted last year is much more in line with his career averages (3.75 PP goals/10 PP points per 82 games) than the 12/13/25 that he posted the year before.

So if the coaching staff is going to staple Lucic to the PP again this year (and scoring a PP goal in his first pre-season game is only going to predispose them to that plan even more), then that may not be the best thing for the PP overall.

Now, as many have said multiple times, it's preseason so you shouldn't read too much into it either way.




I get it, Lucic had a brutal year last year and he over his career has not been a typically strong PP guy. Totally fair. Lucic was so down on himself last year, he couldn't hit the side of a bus so I don't know if using last years season is something I would go off of right now but it happened, he has to own that. At the same time, he scored 12 PP goals and 25 PP points the year before. That PP was 5th in the league. So he has shown he CAN do. Does that mean he will this season? NO.

That being said, I believe and most teams believe you have to have a net front presence of some kind. If you allow the goalie the ability to complete see every single shot, uncontested, unless he sucks, completely misplays it, or you have the absolute perfect shot, most goalie will stop every single shot they see. I personally do not think a small guy can be an effective net front presence because the goalies are usually so big and a small guy can get pushed around. SO if you have a guy like Lucic who is difficult to handle because he is so big, it will cause the opposition problems. So I believe and I don't know if anyone tracks this or how you would is that Lucic being on the ice on the PP, causing havoc causes goals. He may not get a point but having him screening the goalie, forcing the defender worry about him and battle with him, opens up time and space for your other players and makes it harder for the goalie to stop shots. Plus quite frankly, the guys who are going to make the PP go are McDavid, Leon and Nuge. Any points Lucic gets is bonus.


If your net front presence isn't picking up points, that's a massive problem. That person has opportunities for tips, rebounds, cross-crease bang-ins. They should be producing at a solid rate.

It's worth noting that some of our best net-front guys over the years haven't been overly big. Craig Simpson, Ryan Smyth, Shawn Horcoff...all were decent sized, but not behemoths - and yet they produced in that role. There is a reason why Ryan Rishaug was laughed out of the room for asking why Georges Laraque wasn't the net-front guy back in the day. It's not just about setting a screen. If that's all your doing, then it's not enough.

Those other guys even all played in eras where there was a lot more cross-checking and wear on the net-front guy. If you get the kind of abuse Simpson did, you would always be on the powerplay now.

Lucic was an anchor last year around the PP's neck. That the team wouldn't ever change was an indictment of the coaching staff, because it clearly wasn't working.

I don't think he's an ideal net-front presence, because after two years of watching him here, I don't see much ability to either tip shots or to retrieve rebounds. He just pretty much stands there, which isn't helpful. I would like to see the Oilers try others in that role. I don't think they need to be Lucic-sized to be successful, and certainly, it would not take much to be as successful as Lucic.




Yup, quick hands around the net, and a sense for where loose pucks are are the most important things for the guys around the net on the PP. Lucic doesn't even screen well, he usually moves to the side when the shot it coming because he seems to realize how slow he is at finding pucks, so he's giving himself the best shot he can by watching the play develop and getting more square to the net so he can find the puck, at the price of the screen.

Really, the guy is extremely slow at finding pucks, and he has zero moves with a puck in tight. He just hacks at it. Watch a guy like JVR or even Maroon around the net with the puck, they can quickly make little moves with the puck to change angles to shoot at open net, and they find the puck extremely fast. There is none of that in Lucic's game. Just, hack, if he's lucky enough to get his stick near the puck before a defender takes it away or goalie covers it.



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I know this won't be a popular opinion, but i thought Lucic looked noticably faster than I remember him last year. If you are looking for Lucic to play a Gagner-type game with fast hands and dipsey-doodling with the puck, you're looking at the wrong player. What Lucic does do well is think on the ice (positionally) and make good passes (when he is playing well). He actually is a good passer (Lowetide has mentioned this a few times) when he moves the puck quickly enough. Last year he had so little confidence, he was taking an extra second to make almost every pass and so looked very ineffective doing it.


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