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The Sens have traded Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron to SJ for a 1st rd pick in 2019 or 2020, C-Chris Tierny, 2nd rd pick 2019, C-Josh Norris, LW-Rudolfs Balcers and D-Dylan DeMelo.
Sens also get a 2nd rd pick in 2021. It becomes a first if the Sharks sign him and SJ makes it to the final yhis season.

The Sens also get a 1rst in 2021 or 2022 if Karlsson plays for an eastern team in 2018/19.



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It's so great to see all these Pacific teams getting the best player in the deal.


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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 12:39

It's so great to see all these Pacific teams getting the best player in the deal.


That's not always true, sometimes the best player in the deal leaves the Pacific and goes to NJ or NY



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 12:55

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 12:39

It's so great to see all these Pacific teams getting the best player in the deal.


That's not always true, sometimes the best player in the deal leaves the Pacific and goes to NJ or NY

I'm really mad I didn't make that joke. Good work.

I don't think this hurts the Oilers, they weren't going to be competitive anyway.



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718516 is a reply to message #718513 ]
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Well, that's annoying. Hopefully Karlsson walks and signs in the East, just for some extra pain for SJ.


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https://www.tsn.ca/senators-trade-karlsson-to-sharks-1.11722 97

Here is the return. That is what Ottawa has been holding out for? A couple of AHLers, a 3rd line center and a right handed shooting dman who TSN lists as a depth guy? Plus some picks that will probably be lower end. That's it? Brutal trade.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:13

https://www.tsn.ca/senators-trade-karlsson-to-sharks-1.11722 97

Here is the return. That is what Ottawa has been holding out for? A couple of AHLers, a 3rd line center and a right handed shooting dman who TSN lists as a depth guy? Plus some picks that will probably be lower end. That's it?


THat's honestly disgusting. Dorion is a clown. SO many bad GM's in Canada.



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718533 is a reply to message #718529 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:13

https://www.tsn.ca/senators-trade-karlsson-to-sharks-1.11722 97

Here is the return. That is what Ottawa has been holding out for? A couple of AHLers, a 3rd line center and a right handed shooting dman who TSN lists as a depth guy? Plus some picks that will probably be lower end. That's it?


THat's honestly disgusting. Dorion is a clown. SO many bad GM's in Canada.


Totally agree. I really hope I don't see anyone in here complaining about the Oilers not getting Karlsson. #1, he was NEVER going to agree to come here. NEVER. It was reported he wouldn't go to Edmonton or pretty much ALL the other Canadian teams. He's played his entire career in a Canadian, hockey mad market, he wants to play in an American market where he can disappear. Even if somehow he agreed to a trade to come to Edmonton, there is not a chance in hell he would resign in Edmonton. As I said, he wants to play in an American market where he can be a rich guy who no one has a clue who he is on a daily basis.

Besides, he's going to want at least what Doughty makes which is 11 mill. So if by some miracle he would sign in Edmonton, it doesn't matter they paid too much for Russell or have Lucic on the books, you can't be dropping over 30 mill on 3 guys and have a chance. You'd be spending so much money on 3 guys, your depth would absolutely suck. Karlsson is an elite player but what he will make next year is what you can pay 3 or 4 good NHLers.



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718565 is a reply to message #718533 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:23

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:13

https://www.tsn.ca/senators-trade-karlsson-to-sharks-1.11722 97

Here is the return. That is what Ottawa has been holding out for? A couple of AHLers, a 3rd line center and a right handed shooting dman who TSN lists as a depth guy? Plus some picks that will probably be lower end. That's it?


THat's honestly disgusting. Dorion is a clown. SO many bad GM's in Canada.


Totally agree. I really hope I don't see anyone in here complaining about the Oilers not getting Karlsson. #1, he was NEVER going to agree to come here. NEVER. It was reported he wouldn't go to Edmonton or pretty much ALL the other Canadian teams. He's played his entire career in a Canadian, hockey mad market, he wants to play in an American market where he can disappear. Even if somehow he agreed to a trade to come to Edmonton, there is not a chance in hell he would resign in Edmonton. As I said, he wants to play in an American market where he can be a rich guy who no one has a clue who he is on a daily basis.

Besides, he's going to want at least what Doughty makes which is 11 mill. So if by some miracle he would sign in Edmonton, it doesn't matter they paid too much for Russell or have Lucic on the books, you can't be dropping over 30 mill on 3 guys and have a chance. You'd be spending so much money on 3 guys, your depth would absolutely suck. Karlsson is an elite player but what he will make next year is what you can pay 3 or 4 good NHLers.


He actually reached out to Friedman to refute that false report...

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2018/08/erik-karlsson-refute s-report-about-canadian-cities.html



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718534 is a reply to message #718513 ]
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News Release: #Sens complete most important trade in rebuild, acquire six assets in Erik Karlsson trade: https://ottsens.com/2MsZbfh



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718536 is a reply to message #718534 ]
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Best comment I've seen so far: "There's a new Chiarelli in town!"

In all seriousness, if there is someone who knows these SJ players, what are the Oilers' equivalents?

I know that Karlsson didn't want to come to Canada, yatta, yatta ... but you gotta think that we could have offered something better.

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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718540 is a reply to message #718513 ]
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It's a classic 6 dimes for a dollar bill trade. Fits right into the owners plan to roll with cheap youth. Just killing time until the new building is built (by the taxpayers), and he can sell at a higher price.

But nobody in SJ is a genius. They can't resign him unless they give him every dollar that Pavelski and Thornton's expiring contracts will remove. If they do that, the D is good but the forwards are terribad. E Kane and Hertl are locked up super long term at just short of $13 million per season combined. Plus they have given up significant amounts of high draft picks in the next 3 years in the Kane and Karlsson deals. This is a one year push of the chips all-in.



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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:49

It's a classic 6 dimes for a dollar bill trade. Fits right into the owners plan to roll with cheap youth. Just killing time until the new building is built (by the taxpayers), and he can sell at a higher price.

But nobody in SJ is a genius. They can't resign him unless they give him every dollar that Pavelski and Thornton's expiring contracts will remove. If they do that, the D is good but the forwards are terribad. E Kane and Hertl are locked up super long term at just short of $13 million per season combined. Plus they have given up significant amounts of high draft picks in the next 3 years in the Kane and Karlsson deals. This is a one year push of the chips all-in.


I guess I am proven wrong on Melnyk's plan to have 15 newbs in the lineup by next year. They're way ahead of schedule now. Stone could easily bring in 5 more nobodies.



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718544 is a reply to message #718513 ]
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McDavid97 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 11:34

The Sens have traded Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron to SJ for a 1st rd pick in 2019 or 2020, C-Chris Tierny, 2nd rd pick 2019, C-Josh Norris, LW-Rudolfs Balcers and D-Dylan DeMelo.
Sens also get a 2nd rd pick in 2021. It becomes a first if the Sharks sign him and SJ makes it to the final yhis season.

The Sens also get a 1rst in 2021 or 2022 if Karlsson plays for an eastern team in 2018/19.


In terms of quantity, that's a lot of assets for potentially only one year of Karlsson. There are no bubbling superstars here, but most of these guys have decent numbers that will help fill out the team or at least be useful assets later. The Sens still suck of course and should have done better to prevent this trade from being a necessity, but I don't think it's horrible.

The Sens fans in the office here are depressed for losing their superstar. It's a shame it came to this.



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 Re: Karlsson to SJ [message #718546 is a reply to message #718544 ]
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Steve wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:55

McDavid97 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 11:34

The Sens have traded Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron to SJ for a 1st rd pick in 2019 or 2020, C-Chris Tierny, 2nd rd pick 2019, C-Josh Norris, LW-Rudolfs Balcers and D-Dylan DeMelo.
Sens also get a 2nd rd pick in 2021. It becomes a first if the Sharks sign him and SJ makes it to the final yhis season.

The Sens also get a 1rst in 2021 or 2022 if Karlsson plays for an eastern team in 2018/19.


In terms of quantity, that's a lot of assets for potentially only one year of Karlsson. There are no bubbling superstars here, but most of these guys have decent numbers that will help fill out the team or at least be useful assets later. The Sens still suck of course and should have done better to prevent this trade from being a necessity, but I don't think it's horrible.

The Sens fans in the office here are depressed for losing their superstar. It's a shame it came to this.



Can you let me know what they are doing to cope? I need some tips for the near future.



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Magnum wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:00

Steve wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:55

McDavid97 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 11:34

The Sens have traded Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron to SJ for a 1st rd pick in 2019 or 2020, C-Chris Tierny, 2nd rd pick 2019, C-Josh Norris, LW-Rudolfs Balcers and D-Dylan DeMelo.
Sens also get a 2nd rd pick in 2021. It becomes a first if the Sharks sign him and SJ makes it to the final yhis season.

The Sens also get a 1rst in 2021 or 2022 if Karlsson plays for an eastern team in 2018/19.


In terms of quantity, that's a lot of assets for potentially only one year of Karlsson. There are no bubbling superstars here, but most of these guys have decent numbers that will help fill out the team or at least be useful assets later. The Sens still suck of course and should have done better to prevent this trade from being a necessity, but I don't think it's horrible.

The Sens fans in the office here are depressed for losing their superstar. It's a shame it came to this.



Can you let me know what they are doing to cope? I need some tips for the near future.


What? Do you have some inside knowledge the Oilers are going to trade McDavid or something? Don't play man.

Honestly though, one guy came to talk to me to express his sorrows. He thought I would understand his hockey depression the most because I'm an Oilers fan....



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Steve wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 14:06



Honestly though, one guy came to talk to me to express his sorrows. He thought I would understand his hockey depression the most because I'm an Oilers fan....



That's funny, I think I have mentioned my boss is from Ott and a Sens fan. I heard him swear from his office, 2 doors down, knew the trade was done.
He came right down to my office and said the same thing about how I would understand his frustration



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Steve wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 14:06

Magnum wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:00

Steve wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 13:55

McDavid97 wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 11:34

The Sens have traded Erik Karlsson and Francis Perron to SJ for a 1st rd pick in 2019 or 2020, C-Chris Tierny, 2nd rd pick 2019, C-Josh Norris, LW-Rudolfs Balcers and D-Dylan DeMelo.
Sens also get a 2nd rd pick in 2021. It becomes a first if the Sharks sign him and SJ makes it to the final yhis season.

The Sens also get a 1rst in 2021 or 2022 if Karlsson plays for an eastern team in 2018/19.


In terms of quantity, that's a lot of assets for potentially only one year of Karlsson. There are no bubbling superstars here, but most of these guys have decent numbers that will help fill out the team or at least be useful assets later. The Sens still suck of course and should have done better to prevent this trade from being a necessity, but I don't think it's horrible.

The Sens fans in the office here are depressed for losing their superstar. It's a shame it came to this.



Can you let me know what they are doing to cope? I need some tips for the near future.


What? Do you have some inside knowledge the Oilers are going to trade McDavid or something? Don't play man.

Honestly though, one guy came to talk to me to express his sorrows. He thought I would understand his hockey depression the most because I'm an Oilers fan....



By near future, I mean in two years when the Oilers still aren't in the playoffs.



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2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Wow, that is a bad deal for the Sens. Not as bad as Hall for Larsson, but almost.


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So the Sens decided to keep their first this year to draft Tkachuk. They trade a guaranteed 20+ goal guy in Hoffman for Boedker who isn't good. Then they trade Karlsson, one of the best players in the NHL for a 3rd pairing dman and a 3rd line center plus a bunch of scraps and picks. AND they have to give up their first in 2019 which is not lottery protected. The Sens pick was 4th overall this season WITH Karlsson and Hoffman. They actually think it will be lower this coming season? They are probably giving up the 1st overall because realistically, it's probably between the Islanders and the Sens as the 2 worst teams in the league this year.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 16:14

So the Sens decided to keep their first this year to draft Tkachuk. They trade a guaranteed 20+ goal guy in Hoffman for Boedker who isn't good. Then they trade Karlsson, one of the best players in the NHL for a 3rd pairing dman and a 3rd line center plus a bunch of scraps and picks. AND they have to give up their first in 2019 which is not lottery protected. The Sens pick was 4th overall this season WITH Karlsson and Hoffman. They actually think it will be lower this coming season? They are probably giving up the 1st overall because realistically, it's probably between the Islanders and the Sens as the 2 worst teams in the league this year.



I would put Montreal in that category as well. They are a complete mess!



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Jakey wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 09:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 16:14

So the Sens decided to keep their first this year to draft Tkachuk. They trade a guaranteed 20+ goal guy in Hoffman for Boedker who isn't good. Then they trade Karlsson, one of the best players in the NHL for a 3rd pairing dman and a 3rd line center plus a bunch of scraps and picks. AND they have to give up their first in 2019 which is not lottery protected. The Sens pick was 4th overall this season WITH Karlsson and Hoffman. They actually think it will be lower this coming season? They are probably giving up the 1st overall because realistically, it's probably between the Islanders and the Sens as the 2 worst teams in the league this year.



I would put Montreal in that category as well. They are a complete mess!

Part of the East division is a joke. People keep using the Leafs and compare them to the Oilers. Look at their division. Montreal is in a free fall and have been for years. The don't have a single decent center and their defense isn't that good. They needed a center so they trade a future at worst #3 puck moving, scoring dman in Sergachev for a winger and try to convert him to a center. The fact he is french probably played a part in them going after Drouin which to me is silly as where a player is from shouldn't factor in. They dump Galchenyuk who all he did was score or flirt with 20+ goals and who by position is a center even though they refused to develop him as one and replace him with Domi who is smaller and crappier and scores even less. Then they run their captain out of town. So they are a joke.
Then you have Detroit who even though they are lousy and don't have a star player, somehow have ZERO cap space. Now they announce Zetterberg who was their captain and still probably their best player is done in the NHL. So you don't replace him.
Then you have Buffalo who god only knows if they will be good.
Then there is Ottawa who are a complete disaster. They trade off Turris who was pretty decent and grossly overpay for Duchene. The trade off Hoffman thanks to his wacko wife. Now they trade Karlsson for nothing.
Then they have the Islanders who lost Tavares and not that you can totally replace him, did nothing to replace even 3/4 of Tavares. Barzal is a second year player and their best center who will get destroyed because there is ZERO cover behind him so every team will match up the crap out of him. If Eberle is your second best player, like he is on the Islanders and was on the Oilers for many years, chances are you aren't a good team. No disrespect intended because Eberle is a good player but he's a complimentary guy.

So anyone in the East including the Leafs have at least 4 easy teams to rack up points against - Detroit, Ottawa, Montreal, Islanders - possibly Buffalo. Who is the West is a free spot on the bingo card? Maybe the Canucks, other than that it's a battle.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 09:59

Jakey wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 09:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 16:14

So the Sens decided to keep their first this year to draft Tkachuk. They trade a guaranteed 20+ goal guy in Hoffman for Boedker who isn't good. Then they trade Karlsson, one of the best players in the NHL for a 3rd pairing dman and a 3rd line center plus a bunch of scraps and picks. AND they have to give up their first in 2019 which is not lottery protected. The Sens pick was 4th overall this season WITH Karlsson and Hoffman. They actually think it will be lower this coming season? They are probably giving up the 1st overall because realistically, it's probably between the Islanders and the Sens as the 2 worst teams in the league this year.



I would put Montreal in that category as well. They are a complete mess!

Part of the East division is a joke. People keep using the Leafs and compare them to the Oilers. Look at their division. Montreal is in a free fall and have been for years. The don't have a single decent center and their defense isn't that good. They needed a center so they trade a future at worst #3 puck moving, scoring dman in Sergachev for a winger and try to convert him to a center. The fact he is french probably played a part in them going after Drouin which to me is silly as where a player is from shouldn't factor in. They dump Galchenyuk who all he did was score or flirt with 20+ goals and who by position is a center even though they refused to develop him as one and replace him with Domi who is smaller and crappier and scores even less. Then they run their captain out of town. So they are a joke.
Then you have Detroit who even though they are lousy and don't have a star player, somehow have ZERO cap space. Now they announce Zetterberg who was their captain and still probably their best player is done in the NHL. So you don't replace him.
Then you have Buffalo who god only knows if they will be good.
Then there is Ottawa who are a complete disaster. They trade off Turris who was pretty decent and grossly overpay for Duchene. The trade off Hoffman thanks to his wacko wife. Now they trade Karlsson for nothing.
Then they have the Islanders who lost Tavares and not that you can totally replace him, did nothing to replace even 3/4 of Tavares. Barzal is a second year player and their best center who will get destroyed because there is ZERO cover behind him so every team will match up the crap out of him. If Eberle is your second best player, like he is on the Islanders and was on the Oilers for many years, chances are you aren't a good team. No disrespect intended because Eberle is a good player but he's a complimentary guy.

So anyone in the East including the Leafs have at least 4 easy teams to rack up points against - Detroit, Ottawa, Montreal, Islanders - possibly Buffalo. Who is the West is a free spot on the bingo card? Maybe the Canucks, other than that it's a battle.


Funny thing is, didn't the Oilers have a better record against the Pacific than anywhere or anyone else? So I don't think that matters so much.



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Pseudoreality wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 10:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 09:59

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 16:14

So the Sens decided to keep their first this year to draft Tkachuk. They trade a guaranteed 20+ goal guy in Hoffman for Boedker who isn't good. Then they trade Karlsson, one of the best players in the NHL for a 3rd pairing dman and a 3rd line center plus a bunch of scraps and picks. AND they have to give up their first in 2019 which is not lottery protected. The Sens pick was 4th overall this season WITH Karlsson and Hoffman. They actually think it will be lower this coming season? They are probably giving up the 1st overall because realistically, it's probably between the Islanders and the Sens as the 2 worst teams in the league this year.



I would put Montreal in that category as well. They are a complete mess!

Part of the East division is a joke. People keep using the Leafs and compare them to the Oilers. Look at their division. Montreal is in a free fall and have been for years. The don't have a single decent center and their defense isn't that good. They needed a center so they trade a future at worst #3 puck moving, scoring dman in Sergachev for a winger and try to convert him to a center. The fact he is french probably played a part in them going after Drouin which to me is silly as where a player is from shouldn't factor in. They dump Galchenyuk who all he did was score or flirt with 20+ goals and who by position is a center even though they refused to develop him as one and replace him with Domi who is smaller and crappier and scores even less. Then they run their captain out of town. So they are a joke.
Then you have Detroit who even though they are lousy and don't have a star player, somehow have ZERO cap space. Now they announce Zetterberg who was their captain and still probably their best player is done in the NHL. So you don't replace him.
Then you have Buffalo who god only knows if they will be good.
Then there is Ottawa who are a complete disaster. They trade off Turris who was pretty decent and grossly overpay for Duchene. The trade off Hoffman thanks to his wacko wife. Now they trade Karlsson for nothing.
Then they have the Islanders who lost Tavares and not that you can totally replace him, did nothing to replace even 3/4 of Tavares. Barzal is a second year player and their best center who will get destroyed because there is ZERO cover behind him so every team will match up the crap out of him. If Eberle is your second best player, like he is on the Islanders and was on the Oilers for many years, chances are you aren't a good team. No disrespect intended because Eberle is a good player but he's a complimentary guy.

So anyone in the East including the Leafs have at least 4 easy teams to rack up points against - Detroit, Ottawa, Montreal, Islanders - possibly Buffalo. Who is the West is a free spot on the bingo card? Maybe the Canucks, other than that it's a battle.


Funny thing is, didn't the Oilers have a better record against the Pacific than anywhere or anyone else? So I don't think that matters so much.


They did but the huge majority of the teams in the Pacific while not elite, were pretty good. The East division in general in my opinion seems to have a 2 or 3 super elite teams, a few real good teams, then a whole bunch of lower end to complete garbage teams where you can rack up points against. The West seems to be loaded with a ton of really good teams and very few crappy teams.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 09:59

Jakey wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 09:16

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 16:14

So the Sens decided to keep their first this year to draft Tkachuk. They trade a guaranteed 20+ goal guy in Hoffman for Boedker who isn't good. Then they trade Karlsson, one of the best players in the NHL for a 3rd pairing dman and a 3rd line center plus a bunch of scraps and picks. AND they have to give up their first in 2019 which is not lottery protected. The Sens pick was 4th overall this season WITH Karlsson and Hoffman. They actually think it will be lower this coming season? They are probably giving up the 1st overall because realistically, it's probably between the Islanders and the Sens as the 2 worst teams in the league this year.



I would put Montreal in that category as well. They are a complete mess!

Part of the East division is a joke. People keep using the Leafs and compare them to the Oilers. Look at their division. Montreal is in a free fall and have been for years. The don't have a single decent center and their defense isn't that good. They needed a center so they trade a future at worst #3 puck moving, scoring dman in Sergachev for a winger and try to convert him to a center. The fact he is french probably played a part in them going after Drouin which to me is silly as where a player is from shouldn't factor in. They dump Galchenyuk who all he did was score or flirt with 20+ goals and who by position is a center even though they refused to develop him as one and replace him with Domi who is smaller and crappier and scores even less. Then they run their captain out of town. So they are a joke.
Then you have Detroit who even though they are lousy and don't have a star player, somehow have ZERO cap space. Now they announce Zetterberg who was their captain and still probably their best player is done in the NHL. So you don't replace him.
Then you have Buffalo who god only knows if they will be good.
Then there is Ottawa who are a complete disaster. They trade off Turris who was pretty decent and grossly overpay for Duchene. The trade off Hoffman thanks to his wacko wife. Now they trade Karlsson for nothing.
Then they have the Islanders who lost Tavares and not that you can totally replace him, did nothing to replace even 3/4 of Tavares. Barzal is a second year player and their best center who will get destroyed because there is ZERO cover behind him so every team will match up the crap out of him. If Eberle is your second best player, like he is on the Islanders and was on the Oilers for many years, chances are you aren't a good team. No disrespect intended because Eberle is a good player but he's a complimentary guy.

So anyone in the East including the Leafs have at least 4 easy teams to rack up points against - Detroit, Ottawa, Montreal, Islanders - possibly Buffalo. Who is the West is a free spot on the bingo card? Maybe the Canucks, other than that it's a battle.


They had 47 wins and won their division 2 seasons ago...



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 08:59

Who is the West is a free spot on the bingo card?


The Oilers.

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Goose wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 14:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 08:59

Who is the West is a free spot on the bingo card?


The Oilers.

**ducks flying Koolaid glasses on the way out**

Lol. Implying there's only one free square.


Oilers, Coyotes, Canucks.

I haven't paid attention to Arizona this off season, have they done anything to end their two decade string of futility? Man the Pacific has some bad teams in it.



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Pseudoreality wrote on Thu, 13 September 2018 14:07

Wow, that is a bad deal for the Sens. Not as bad as Hall for Larsson, but almost.


The main difference being there was a bit of a gun to the head of the Sens with Karlsson.

Really, for a deal for a disgruntled D-man with a year left, I don't know how much better it can get to be honest. No guarantees SJ signs him, and they're going to play him full season and playoffs, not dump him for assets at the deadline unless things are going significantly bad for the Sharks at that point. I don't know what their cap situation is for next year, but clearly they've got to be thinking extension and how that fits in with some of their current, upcoming and expiring contracts. Could be more moves coming with the Sharks. The Sharks are basically betting on a Cup appearance in the spring here. Hope it doesn't work out.

Blame Sens ownership and management for what's led up to this....the sh-t show, more than the deal itself.



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Oh God. 6 pilons for a year of Karlsson. Worth the gamble. The sharks have a plethora of power play options

Screw all of this leaf love on the other hockey websites, the Sharks have got to be serious front-runners now.

It's tough to see all of these teams in our conference get all of these good players while we remain still and pray that Nurse signs soon.

It makes a guy really hope that Rieder has instant chemistry with Draisaitl and our young D step in a big way. I really don't want to throw in the towel on cheering for the Oilers after the first 2 months of the season again



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Sharks are better, Golden Knights are better. Oilers.....well they are still sawing wood while their competition is splitting atoms. Who knew the Oilers needed to address their defensive holes the last decade?

Everyone it seems but Oiler management?



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halfafrog wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 12:42

Sharks are better, Golden Knights are better. Oilers.....well they are still sawing wood while their competition is splitting atoms. Who knew the Oilers needed to address their defensive holes the last decade?

Everyone it seems but Oiler management?


Hey, did you miss the assistant coaching changes? And how we are underdogs again. Those 2 things are like adding 2 Karlsson's.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 12:53

halfafrog wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 12:42

Sharks are better, Golden Knights are better. Oilers.....well they are still sawing wood while their competition is splitting atoms. Who knew the Oilers needed to address their defensive holes the last decade?

Everyone it seems but Oiler management?


Hey, did you miss the assistant coaching changes? And how we are underdogs again. Those 2 things are like adding 2 Karlsson's.


The need for 3 Karlssons ended when we drafted Bouchard.



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Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.



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Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.

They should have sent him a DVD.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 16:53

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 17:21

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Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.

They should have sent him a DVD.


We're in the Bluray era now, maybe that's the problem trying to attract players.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 16:21

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Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.


This is exactly how a failed manager would think. We didn't make his list? Better not even try to give him or his agent a call and explain that the best defenseman in the world could be paired with the best forward in the world.

It's a NMC. Even if you aren't on his list, he can waive it...dare you try to make a convincing case.



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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2018 10:18

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 16:21

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.


This is exactly how a failed manager would think. We didn't make his list? Better not even try to give him or his agent a call and explain that the best defenseman in the world could be paired with the best forward in the world.

It's a NMC. Even if you aren't on his list, he can waive it...dare you try to make a convincing case.


Or maybe he realized that it was a non-starter because he just couldn't fit him in financially. Were you willing to give up Drai to get him? Thats the only way it would work. And if you wanted him to sign long term, you'd need $4 million more for next year.

He would have been a cripplingly expensive rental, for a team that the Chicken Little's who litter this board say isn't remotely close to competing. Is that what you want?



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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 15 September 2018 10:42

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2018 10:18

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 16:21

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.


This is exactly how a failed manager would think. We didn't make his list? Better not even try to give him or his agent a call and explain that the best defenseman in the world could be paired with the best forward in the world.

It's a NMC. Even if you aren't on his list, he can waive it...dare you try to make a convincing case.


Or maybe he realized that it was a non-starter because he just couldn't fit him in financially. Were you willing to give up Drai to get him? Thats the only way it would work. And if you wanted him to sign long term, you'd need $4 million more for next year.

He would have been a cripplingly expensive rental, for a team that the Chicken Little's who litter this board say isn't remotely close to competing. Is that what you want?

It would have been tough to make the Edmonton offer the most compelling. Wouldn't have to have been Drai going back, could've been Lucic (that would have needed to be a hell of a pitch on its own, never mind having him waive his no trade). I expect Chiarelli did call, but I'm sure he took the first no as final and went back to his holidays. Any deal we made would have sent better players than SJ did back the other way so it couldn't have happened without an extension, which it doesn't look like Karlsson wants to do. He wants his UFA money.



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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 15 September 2018 09:42

smyth260 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2018 10:18

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 16:21

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.


This is exactly how a failed manager would think. We didn't make his list? Better not even try to give him or his agent a call and explain that the best defenseman in the world could be paired with the best forward in the world.

It's a NMC. Even if you aren't on his list, he can waive it...dare you try to make a convincing case.


Or maybe he realized that it was a non-starter because he just couldn't fit him in financially. Were you willing to give up Drai to get him? Thats the only way it would work. And if you wanted him to sign long term, you'd need $4 million more for next year.

He would have been a cripplingly expensive rental, for a team that the Chicken Little's who litter this board say isn't remotely close to competing. Is that what you want?


If somebody looks at the cap and says "the only way to make this work is to trade Draisaitl"...they should be fired. There are ways to make things work without trading your second highest paid guy. These are simple solutions without really exploring all your options. San Jose did not have to move Pavelski, Kane, Hertl, Burns, Couture etc. They have a high payroll too. Tampa Bay was agressive in trying to make a deal. These teams, despite their cap situations, understand that you get good players and build around them, even if for a year. You freaking figure it out when the best defenseman is available, you don't just look at your cap and say well our hands are tied...we need some proactive leadership here.



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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 15 September 2018 10:18

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 September 2018 16:21

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli on the Erik Karlsson trade: “I won’t lie. When he came to our division, there was an expletive coming out of my mouth. He’d be nice to have here, but we weren’t on his list. It was a non-starter.”



Wonder how much of the reason we weren't on the list was just location, and how much was the decade+ of obvious to everyone mismanagement.


This is exactly how a failed manager would think. We didn't make his list? Better not even try to give him or his agent a call and explain that the best defenseman in the world could be paired with the best forward in the world.

It's a NMC. Even if you aren't on his list, he can waive it...dare you try to make a convincing case.


We couldn't afford him anyways due to the mishandling of all the $2.5mm players making >$4mm.



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