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 Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#10) - Evan Bouchard [message #716670 is a reply to message #716269 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 26 June 2018 11:55

Let's trade Nurse and Kelfbom for some wing help now that the D is fixed.


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The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 13:58

The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


When we send him back down.



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PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 13:58

The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


When we send him back down.

After 0, 9, 39, or 82 games?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:12

PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 13:58

The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


When we send him back down.

After 0, 9, 39, or 82 games?


I'd give him a 4 game look and then fire him down.



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PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:12

PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 13:58

The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


When we send him back down.

After 0, 9, 39, or 82 games?


I'd give him a 4 game look and then fire him down.


I would simply go with <9 as my preference.

But I am guessing he plays the season in the NHL. I can't wait to see our newest shiny toy in the bigs!



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:31

PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:12

PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 13:58

The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


When we send him back down.

After 0, 9, 39, or 82 games?


I'd give him a 4 game look and then fire him down.


I would simply go with <9 as my preference.

But I am guessing he plays the season in the NHL. I can't wait to see our newest shiny toy in the bigs!



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Adam wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:14

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:31

PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:12

PoolParty wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:11

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 13:58

The London Knights just signed Boqvist. Looks like Bouchard has a chance to be a part of a typical London Knights championship run attempt...if we send him back down.


When we send him back down.

After 0, 9, 39, or 82 games?


I'd give him a 4 game look and then fire him down.


I would simply go with <9 as my preference.

But I am guessing he plays the season in the NHL. I can't wait to see our newest shiny toy in the bigs!



42 games. We will put him on the Puljujarvi model of development.


I could live with them keeping him until the middle of November and letting him get his 9 games. That lets him play in Detroit on the 3rd while letting him sit in the press box for a couple of games. Then fire him back to JR and get ready to dominate the WJHC



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Which has proven to be so effective. The Oilers don't have a clue how to develop foreign players.


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HamBlaster wrote on Mon, 06 August 2018 09:31

Which has proven to be so effective. The Oilers don't have a clue how to develop foreign players.


Is there any proof of that?



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It'll be interesting to see who gets showcased more. I hate to say it people, however I bet that Boqvist has the better season statistically.

Bouchard is a solid prospect, however his defensive game has some major flaws. In the Canada showcase game against Sweden, he totally blew his coverage assignment on the Swedish goal. It was literally all on him and terrible coverage.



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...just an opinion, but at this point I'm more than okay with sending Evan Bouchard back to London to start the season there on September 21....certainly give him a taste of the Oiler training camp and maybe play him against the Flames rookies September 12 in Red Deer, but at this point I see nothing wrong with placing him in the capable hands of the Hunters in London...he's definitely a raw talent, but still can learn and develop a lot in the OHL...maybe even get a tryout to the WJC Tournament in BC during the festive season

he did have a rather ordinary tournament in Kamloops, to say the least....was outshone by several players, But he certainly does have skills and skating ability to build on....

...some of the notable prospects at the Kamloops showcase, per NHL.com...

https://www.nhl.com/news/top-10-players-at-world-junior-summ er-showcase/c-299676098

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Ouch. Bouchard didn't even make the honourable mentions list...

Not the end of the world, obviously... however the early indication is that Dobson is a hell of a prospect.



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HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 08 August 2018 01:16

Ouch. Bouchard didn't even make the honourable mentions list...

Not the end of the world, obviously... however the early indication is that Dobson is a hell of a prospect.


Ugh, saw some highlights of him looking like zero confidence Justin Schultz defensively. Just getting walked 1 on 1 by a guy turning a nothing play into a breakaway against.

I do subscribe to the idea that defense can be taught and learned, while offensive instinct is something more something you just have, which Bouchard definitely has. But I do worry about Oilers fans and our media eating this kid alive if he is brought up to quickly. But at the same time, he's not gonna get the coaching he needs unless he's up here next year. In a year he can get Woodcroft help (a good thing?).



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 August 2018 08:26

HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 08 August 2018 01:16

Ouch. Bouchard didn't even make the honourable mentions list...

Not the end of the world, obviously... however the early indication is that Dobson is a hell of a prospect.


Ugh, saw some highlights of him looking like zero confidence Justin Schultz defensively. Just getting walked 1 on 1 by a guy turning a nothing play into a breakaway against.

I do subscribe to the idea that defense can be taught and learned, while offensive instinct is something more something you just have, which Bouchard definitely has. But I do worry about Oilers fans and our media eating this kid alive if he is brought up to quickly. But at the same time, he's not gonna get the coaching he needs unless he's up here next year. In a year he can get Woodcroft help (a good thing?).


Really, the Oilers are probably out of contention for 2-3 years, until they have some cap space, so he will have time to develop. Maybe the "youth takes a next step" that Chia has penciled in as gaining 40 goals, will come to fruition, and at that point he can play sheltered minutes.

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I would hope that they aren't expecting this kid to play any time with the Oilers this season. Let him go dominate junior for another year and create some hype and hope for the fans. If you are short a RD, I hope you either think Bear or Mantha or someone else is ready, or you go sign someone like Dylan DeMelo to fill in. Even a guy like Frank Corrado would be better.


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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:37

I would hope that they aren't expecting this kid to play any time with the Oilers this season. Let him go dominate junior for another year and create some hype and hope for the fans. If you are short a RD, I hope you either think Bear or Mantha or someone else is ready, or you go sign someone like Dylan DeMelo to fill in. Even a guy like Frank Corrado would be better.


I think there is no way Bouchard isn't getting his 9 games. And I bet he ends up with a shot on a PP unit, maybe even the 1st one depending on how pre-season goes. If he ends up with 4 or so points in those 9 games, and looks good on the PP, I bet he's sticking as a 3rd pairing PP specialist. Hope the kid has a solid summer of training and he is as physically mature as his 5-o'clock shadow looks.



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Unless he is completely not ready which I doubt, I would give him the at least the 9 games as I think there is value in letting him see how the bigs are. After that, I don't know. All depends on how he plays. I believe with 3 yrs of junior already under his belt, going to be 19 and how dominate he was, while going back to junior won't hurt him, I don't see how much it will help him. He needs to learn the speed of the pro game and to go up against men. Dominating a bunch of skinny 17 yr olds in junior for another year won't do that. I think he is a case of a guy who the rules should be changed so the odd guy can go to the minors before they are 20.

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I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

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Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Oh, but in 16/17 the Oilers played well above their potential and in 17/18 they played way below their potential, don’t you know? This here is a playoff team!

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Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)


My bad. I take it all back. The 19 year old, former 10th overall pick, Evan Bouchard will be ready to lead the Oilers power play and play a key role in a deep playoff run. Start the season now.

Seriously though, if the Oilers take him to Europe they're wasting our time.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)


My bad. I take it all back. The 19 year old, former 10th overall pick, Evan Bouchard will be ready to lead the Oilers power play and play a key role in a deep playoff run. Start the season now.

Seriously though, if the Oilers take him to Europe they're wasting our time.


It's all up to Bouchard. As much this org sucks, I don't think they're gonna force him in if he plays poorly. But, if the kid has a good pre-season and puts up points in his 9 games, I can totally see him sticking.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)


My bad. I take it all back. The 19 year old, former 10th overall pick, Evan Bouchard will be ready to lead the Oilers power play and play a key role in a deep playoff run. Start the season now.

Seriously though, if the Oilers take him to Europe they're wasting our time.


It's all up to Bouchard. As much this org sucks, I don't think they're gonna force him in if he plays poorly. But, if the kid has a good pre-season and puts up points in his 9 games, I can totally see him sticking.

ELC years, UFA years, these things only matter to the mere mortals of this world.

The Oilers would ABSOLUTELY try to shoehorn their shiny new toy into a spot he's not ready for. It's damn near as predictable as the rising sun. Let's look at the history of Oilers first rounders...

Yamamoto 22nd overall - 9 games
Puljujarvi 4th - 28 games
McDavid 1st - played full season
Draisaitl 3rd - 37 games
Nurse 7th - ZERO GAMES! Maybe the shiny new D won't get games
Yak 1st - played full season
RNH 1st - played full season
Klef 19th - didn't play (was in Sweden)
Hall 1st - played full season
Paajarvi 10th - didn't play (was in Sweden)
Eberle 22nd - sent back to junior
Gagner 6th - played full season
Plante 15th - junior
Nash 21st - college

I really hope he's sent back.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 10:52

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)


My bad. I take it all back. The 19 year old, former 10th overall pick, Evan Bouchard will be ready to lead the Oilers power play and play a key role in a deep playoff run. Start the season now.

Seriously though, if the Oilers take him to Europe they're wasting our time.


It's all up to Bouchard. As much this org sucks, I don't think they're gonna force him in if he plays poorly. But, if the kid has a good pre-season and puts up points in his 9 games, I can totally see him sticking.

ELC years, UFA years, these things only matter to the mere mortals of this world.

The Oilers would ABSOLUTELY try to shoehorn their shiny new toy into a spot he's not ready for. It's damn near as predictable as the rising sun. Let's look at the history of Oilers first rounders...

Yamamoto 22nd overall - 9 games
Puljujarvi 4th - 28 games
McDavid 1st - played full season
Draisaitl 3rd - 37 games
Nurse 7th - ZERO GAMES! Maybe the shiny new D won't get games
Yak 1st - played full season
RNH 1st - played full season
Klef 19th - didn't play (was in Sweden)
Hall 1st - played full season
Paajarvi 10th - didn't play (was in Sweden)
Eberle 22nd - sent back to junior
Gagner 6th - played full season
Plante 15th - junior
Nash 21st - college

I really hope he's sent back.


Puljujarvi they also kept up (while healthy scratching him multiple times) beyond the team's 40th game - sooooo this is his last rookie deal year...

Otherwise we'd have another cheap year of him...even if he breaks out this year.

I think we should be thinking about this with Evan Bouchard too. Are we better off having him cheap for his 18 (errr...18/19) year old season? Or his 21/22 year old season?



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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 11:39

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 10:52

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)


My bad. I take it all back. The 19 year old, former 10th overall pick, Evan Bouchard will be ready to lead the Oilers power play and play a key role in a deep playoff run. Start the season now.

Seriously though, if the Oilers take him to Europe they're wasting our time.


It's all up to Bouchard. As much this org sucks, I don't think they're gonna force him in if he plays poorly. But, if the kid has a good pre-season and puts up points in his 9 games, I can totally see him sticking.

ELC years, UFA years, these things only matter to the mere mortals of this world.

The Oilers would ABSOLUTELY try to shoehorn their shiny new toy into a spot he's not ready for. It's damn near as predictable as the rising sun. Let's look at the history of Oilers first rounders...

Yamamoto 22nd overall - 9 games
Puljujarvi 4th - 28 games
McDavid 1st - played full season
Draisaitl 3rd - 37 games
Nurse 7th - ZERO GAMES! Maybe the shiny new D won't get games
Yak 1st - played full season
RNH 1st - played full season
Klef 19th - didn't play (was in Sweden)
Hall 1st - played full season
Paajarvi 10th - didn't play (was in Sweden)
Eberle 22nd - sent back to junior
Gagner 6th - played full season
Plante 15th - junior
Nash 21st - college

I really hope he's sent back.


Puljujarvi they also kept up (while healthy scratching him multiple times) beyond the team's 40th game - sooooo this is his last rookie deal year...

Otherwise we'd have another cheap year of him...even if he breaks out this year.

I think we should be thinking about this with Evan Bouchard too. Are we better off having him cheap for his 18 (errr...18/19) year old season? Or his 21/22 year old season?


Jobs are on the line this year. If Bouchard is able to look competent on the PP during regular season games, I think he sticks, and they just make it work with him sheltered on the 3rd pair. This org has shown they don't think in terms of cheapness long term :)

But if he can't catch a break for his 9 games like Yams last year, I think they send him down for sure. Yams wasn't even that bad in the first 9 games last season. He got lots of chances, the ice was tilted in the time he played as far as chances go. Almost 2.5 shots a game himself. He was just one of many guys on the team that couldn't catch a break in the first 1-2 months of the year, while at the same time our goalies were letting in damn near anything, as the season was quickly being flushed. Worked out for the best of course, and the Oilers thankfully didn't hold onto hope like with Pulju and Drai before. I think the same would happen with Bouchard if he is actually struggling or just unlucky, which will probably work out for the best in the end too.

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Jobs are on the line this year. If Bouchard is able to look competent on the PP during regular season games, I think he sticks, and they just make it work with him sheltered on the 3rd pair. This org has shown they don't think in terms of cheapness long term :)

But if he can't catch a break for his 9 games like Yams last year, I think they send him down for sure. Yams wasn't even that bad in the first 9 games last season. He got lots of chances, the ice was tilted in the time he played as far as chances go. Almost 2.5 shots a game himself. He was just one of many guys on the team that couldn't catch a break in the first 1-2 months of the year, while at the same time our goalies were letting in damn near anything, as the season was quickly being flushed. Worked out for the best of course, and the Oilers thankfully didn't hold onto hope like with Pulju and Drai before. I think the same would happen with Bouchard if he is actually struggling or just unlucky, which will probably work out for the best in the end too.


Not quite how I saw it with Yamamoto. He was given a pretty heavy push, playing most of his time in that audition with Connor McDavid. He had chances, but I didn't think he looked overly threatening much of the time (although to be fair, that could be the McLellan shoot from everywhere strategy at work).

And I worried that if he'd actually got a couple in, the Oilers would have kept him a lot longer...even if that wasn't really indicative of much.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 14:32

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 13:16


Jobs are on the line this year. If Bouchard is able to look competent on the PP during regular season games, I think he sticks, and they just make it work with him sheltered on the 3rd pair. This org has shown they don't think in terms of cheapness long term :)

But if he can't catch a break for his 9 games like Yams last year, I think they send him down for sure. Yams wasn't even that bad in the first 9 games last season. He got lots of chances, the ice was tilted in the time he played as far as chances go. Almost 2.5 shots a game himself. He was just one of many guys on the team that couldn't catch a break in the first 1-2 months of the year, while at the same time our goalies were letting in damn near anything, as the season was quickly being flushed. Worked out for the best of course, and the Oilers thankfully didn't hold onto hope like with Pulju and Drai before. I think the same would happen with Bouchard if he is actually struggling or just unlucky, which will probably work out for the best in the end too.


Not quite how I saw it with Yamamoto. He was given a pretty heavy push, playing most of his time in that audition with Connor McDavid. He had chances, but I didn't think he looked overly threatening much of the time (although to be fair, that could be the McLellan shoot from everywhere strategy at work).

And I worried that if he'd actually got a couple in, the Oilers would have kept him a lot longer...even if that wasn't really indicative of much.


I am giving guys a bit more credit these days when they can get a stat like 35-17 in high danger chances with McDavid, especially in their first NHL games. Mainly because we've now seen how actually poor players like Caggiula can actually drag McDavid down with them :)

The start of last season sucked, period. For sure some of it was McLellan's game plan, but even on good high quality chances, we were running into a string of hot goalies while ours couldn't stop a beachball. Put a stain on everything as frustration build and everything looked like crap. Looking back at the stats though, we actually came out pretty hot, just, no rewards to be had. While teams like the Islanders and Devils were consistently getting out-chanced and getting opposite results, like the universe was just out to get Chia. The Islanders finished their last 2-3 months like our season started though, so at least that was fair :) COulda happened to NJD too but they actually had a backup goalie who turned red hot.


Just to try to add some proof that Yams got good chances, here is his spray chart of shot attempts from his 123 minutes of 5v5 fame last season:

https://image.ibb.co/fqfq7J/Yams_Shooting.jpg

He was pretty unlucky to not get a few, really.

And for sure, if he did pot a few, he would have stuck I bet as well. Which I think most of us agree would be less than ideal. When I say Bouchard is staying if he scores a bit, I don't mean to see that's what I want. Trying to just predict what the Oilers will do :)

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:42

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 06 July 2018 09:30

Goose wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 17:06

PlusOne wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 15:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 05 July 2018 16:39

I'd send him down after the preseason, maybe before the preseason ends. Whatever the question is for the Oilers an 18 year old defenseman should not be the answer.


All of my often typical sarcasm aside he might very well be our best offensive RHD and power play point man coming out of the preseason.
While I expect the PP to be better he might be part of the answer to THAT question.
If he shows that is the case he might bring value as an option.

Not my best case scenario but I can see it happening.



Even if that is true, you can't waste a year of his ELC by playing him in the NHL next year.

They're going into next year with exactly one winger that scored more than 13 goals last year (Nuge). Their entire RW group will likely have scored less than 30 goals combined last season (barring some further move this summer).

This not a team that is ready to compete. They'll need cheap contracts in 3, 4, 5 years when they might actually have a shot.

ETA: I realize this will come across as being negative, but the Oilers have not improved from last year. Rieder was a good pickup, but he's going to replace Maroon's production at best.

Exactly. Even if Bouchard is the best option to do.... whatever he's asked to do, that then becomes the problem. There is no chance an 18 year old 10th draft pick is ready to come into the NHL as a rookie and be a key cog in a contending team. The Oilers aren't selling hope at this point, they're selling stupidity. Send him back, let him develop. Next year, send him to the A, let him develop. The year after, bring him up if he's deserve it, but protect him. He may become the answer in three or four or five years, but he certainly is not the answer now.


Stop this 18 year old talk. The kid will be 19 right after next season starts :)


My bad. I take it all back. The 19 year old, former 10th overall pick, Evan Bouchard will be ready to lead the Oilers power play and play a key role in a deep playoff run. Start the season now.

Seriously though, if the Oilers take him to Europe they're wasting our time.


That would be a first?



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Evan Bouchard is poised and skilled with the puck.
He has already played 3 full seasons of Junior for a pro-style franchise in London.
Turns 19 in October.
If he plays sheltered 5v5 minutes and PP time I could see him getting a long look.



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3 seasons with a pro-style junior team won't prepare him for a junior-style pro team.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 11:47

3 seasons with a pro-style junior team won't prepare him for a junior-style pro team.


If we keep him up, he's likely going to get lit up defensively. The Oilers should be prepared for that, and will need to insulate him. An offensive minded defenceman getting walked because he's not ready to handle NHL attackers is usually a recipe for fan unrest - especially when the defender is a bigger guy who many Edmonton fans will believe should be able to run people over on every shift. The team should protect him from that as much as they can, but I'm a little worried they're getting ready to gift him 9 games at least...



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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 13:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 September 2018 11:47

3 seasons with a pro-style junior team won't prepare him for a junior-style pro team.


If we keep him up, he's likely going to get lit up defensively. The Oilers should be prepared for that, and will need to insulate him. An offensive minded defenceman getting walked because he's not ready to handle NHL attackers is usually a recipe for fan unrest - especially when the defender is a bigger guy who many Edmonton fans will believe should be able to run people over on every shift. The team should protect him from that as much as they can, but I'm a little worried they're getting ready to gift him 9 games at least...

At least it's a nine game cushion to re-sign Nurse, right? That's how this works, right? The Oilers are outsmarting and punishing an RFA who is holding out? Winning is simply not a priority if Bouchard starts the season this year.



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 Re: Oilers select 1st rd (#10) - Evan Bouchard [message #718440 is a reply to message #718397 ]
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I think Bouchard will go to Europe and play 9 games then sent back to junior to ultimately be on the World Juniors. I think the Oilers do like they did with Yamo and slow play those 9 games so Bouchard can be around the team for a while, watch the NHL games, practice a ton with NHLers, be around the coaches, the training staff, all their skills coaches. Get first hand knowledge of what it takes to be an NHLer that he won't get from a junior team. I have always been a guy who believes that there is a flaw in the CHL system not allowing players like Bouchard who are clearly too good for the CHL to go play in the minors. It has nothing to do with player development, it has everything to do with MONEY for the CHL. Having guys like Bouchard on a CHL team makes the team more money because he is a name.

Bouchard has 3 years of junior under his belt, he was a dominate player in the CHL. He's bigger, stronger and flat out better than probably 3/4 of the players on his team and arguable 3/4 of the players in the OHL. He needs to learn how to play and process the game at the pro level, he needs to learn how to play against men. How does he learn to play and process the game at the pro level playing junior hockey when most of the players coming at him are guys who junior hockey is the highlight of their hockey career. The Oilers rookies beat the hell out of a college all star team last night. A lot of the junior hockey guys he will go up against if he plays junior will end up on a team like NAIT who he dominates for fun. Bouchard is already 193 so he probably has 15-20 lbs on the majority of the league. How does he learn how much strength it takes to battle a pro guy in front of the net when he is going up against a 175 lbs 17 yr old who needs at least 3 yrs of fulling out. So while I think he should ultimately go back to junior because unfortunately playing in the AHL isn't allowed for him, I see a ton of value in giving him a few games in the NHL so he gets first hand experience what it takes.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 08:29

I think Bouchard will go to Europe and play 9 games then sent back to junior to ultimately be on the World Juniors. I think the Oilers do like they did with Yamo and slow play those 9 games so Bouchard can be around the team for a while, watch the NHL games, practice a ton with NHLers, be around the coaches, the training staff, all their skills coaches. Get first hand knowledge of what it takes to be an NHLer that he won't get from a junior team. I have always been a guy who believes that there is a flaw in the CHL system not allowing players like Bouchard who are clearly too good for the CHL to go play in the minors. It has nothing to do with player development, it has everything to do with MONEY for the CHL. Having guys like Bouchard on a CHL team makes the team more money because he is a name.

Bouchard has 3 years of junior under his belt, he was a dominate player in the CHL. He's bigger, stronger and flat out better than probably 3/4 of the players on his team and arguable 3/4 of the players in the OHL. He needs to learn how to play and process the game at the pro level, he needs to learn how to play against men. How does he learn to play and process the game at the pro level playing junior hockey when most of the players coming at him are guys who junior hockey is the highlight of their hockey career. The Oilers rookies beat the hell out of a college all star team last night. A lot of the junior hockey guys he will go up against if he plays junior will end up on a team like NAIT who he dominates for fun. Bouchard is already 193 so he probably has 15-20 lbs on the majority of the league. How does he learn how much strength it takes to battle a pro guy in front of the net when he is going up against a 175 lbs 17 yr old who needs at least 3 yrs of fulling out. So while I think he should ultimately go back to junior because unfortunately playing in the AHL isn't allowed for him, I see a ton of value in giving him a few games in the NHL so he gets first hand experience what it takes.


Isn't it CHL or NHL for Bouchard this year? I think that is the part that leads to the debate on what's best for his development. How much will he learn destroying kids for another year? Will they keep running him into the ground with 30 mins a night so he has no energy to spend giving 100% in his own end? How much can we destroy his confidence in the NHL throwing him to the wolves?

At the least in the CHL he has a shot at winning something as a leader on a stacked team.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 08:29

I think Bouchard will go to Europe and play 9 games then sent back to junior to ultimately be on the World Juniors. I think the Oilers do like they did with Yamo and slow play those 9 games so Bouchard can be around the team for a while, watch the NHL games, practice a ton with NHLers, be around the coaches, the training staff, all their skills coaches. Get first hand knowledge of what it takes to be an NHLer that he won't get from a junior team. I have always been a guy who believes that there is a flaw in the CHL system not allowing players like Bouchard who are clearly too good for the CHL to go play in the minors. It has nothing to do with player development, it has everything to do with MONEY for the CHL. Having guys like Bouchard on a CHL team makes the team more money because he is a name.

Bouchard has 3 years of junior under his belt, he was a dominate player in the CHL. He's bigger, stronger and flat out better than probably 3/4 of the players on his team and arguable 3/4 of the players in the OHL. He needs to learn how to play and process the game at the pro level, he needs to learn how to play against men. How does he learn to play and process the game at the pro level playing junior hockey when most of the players coming at him are guys who junior hockey is the highlight of their hockey career. The Oilers rookies beat the hell out of a college all star team last night. A lot of the junior hockey guys he will go up against if he plays junior will end up on a team like NAIT who he dominates for fun. Bouchard is already 193 so he probably has 15-20 lbs on the majority of the league. How does he learn how much strength it takes to battle a pro guy in front of the net when he is going up against a 175 lbs 17 yr old who needs at least 3 yrs of fulling out. So while I think he should ultimately go back to junior because unfortunately playing in the AHL isn't allowed for him, I see a ton of value in giving him a few games in the NHL so he gets first hand experience what it takes.


Isn't it CHL or NHL for Bouchard this year? I think that is the part that leads to the debate on what's best for his development. How much will he learn destroying kids for another year? Will they keep running him into the ground with 30 mins a night so he has no energy to spend giving 100% in his own end? How much can we destroy his confidence in the NHL throwing him to the wolves?

At the least in the CHL he has a shot at winning something as a leader on a stacked team.

It is the CHL or NHL for him because he's not old enough thanks to the rules the CHL has in place to go to the minors.

I completely agree with you. I don't like the idea of throwing an 19 yr old playing his first year of pro hockey to the wolves in the NHL anymore than the 9 games. At the same time, I don't think he develops anymore by as you said it destroying kids every night. I got to watch Phaneuf as a 19/20 yr old play in Red Deer when the lock out was going. It was stupid. He barely came off the ice, he would absolute crush guys physically because he was so much bigger than the majority. He would go end to end whenever he wanted because no one could handle him. He just pushed all these kids aside defensively. He scored 24 goals because the majority of the goalies weren't capable of stopping his shot. On a lot of nights, he barely had to try because most of the players he was up against were way smaller and flat out not good enough to challenge him. He was a man against boys and I can't see how he got any better because of it. I could see it being the exact same thing with Bouchard. It's too bad they have that rule in place.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 10:14

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 12 September 2018 08:29

I think Bouchard will go to Europe and play 9 games then sent back to junior to ultimately be on the World Juniors. I think the Oilers do like they did with Yamo and slow play those 9 games so Bouchard can be around the team for a while, watch the NHL games, practice a ton with NHLers, be around the coaches, the training staff, all their skills coaches. Get first hand knowledge of what it takes to be an NHLer that he won't get from a junior team. I have always been a guy who believes that there is a flaw in the CHL system not allowing players like Bouchard who are clearly too good for the CHL to go play in the minors. It has nothing to do with player development, it has everything to do with MONEY for the CHL. Having guys like Bouchard on a CHL team makes the team more money because he is a name.

Bouchard has 3 years of junior under his belt, he was a dominate player in the CHL. He's bigger, stronger and flat out better than probably 3/4 of the players on his team and arguable 3/4 of the players in the OHL. He needs to learn how to play and process the game at the pro level, he needs to learn how to play against men. How does he learn to play and process the game at the pro level playing junior hockey when most of the players coming at him are guys who junior hockey is the highlight of their hockey career. The Oilers rookies beat the hell out of a college all star team last night. A lot of the junior hockey guys he will go up against if he plays junior will end up on a team like NAIT who he dominates for fun. Bouchard is already 193 so he probably has 15-20 lbs on the majority of the league. How does he learn how much strength it takes to battle a pro guy in front of the net when he is going up against a 175 lbs 17 yr old who needs at least 3 yrs of fulling out. So while I think he should ultimately go back to junior because unfortunately playing in the AHL isn't allowed for him, I see a ton of value in giving him a few games in the NHL so he gets first hand experience what it takes.


Isn't it CHL or NHL for Bouchard this year? I think that is the part that leads to the debate on what's best for his development. How much will he learn destroying kids for another year? Will they keep running him into the ground with 30 mins a night so he has no energy to spend giving 100% in his own end? How much can we destroy his confidence in the NHL throwing him to the wolves?

At the least in the CHL he has a shot at winning something as a leader on a stacked team.

It is the CHL or NHL for him because he's not old enough thanks to the rules the CHL has in place to go to the minors.

I completely agree with you. I don't like the idea of throwing an 19 yr old playing his first year of pro hockey to the wolves in the NHL anymore than the 9 games. At the same time, I don't think he develops anymore by as you said it destroying kids every night. I got to watch Phaneuf as a 19/20 yr old play in Red Deer when the lock out was going. It was stupid. He barely came off the ice, he would absolute crush guys physically because he was so much bigger than the majority. He would go end to end whenever he wanted because no one could handle him. He just pushed all these kids aside defensively. He scored 24 goals because the majority of the goalies weren't capable of stopping his shot. On a lot of nights, he barely had to try because most of the players he was up against were way smaller and flat out not good enough to challenge him. He was a man against boys and I can't see how he got any better because of it. I could see it being the exact same thing with Bouchard. It's too bad they have that rule in place.


I just realised I misunderstood your post :) Thought you were saying he's going to Europe to play in a Swiss league or something, but you were just talking about the early season in the NHL. That actually would have been awesome for his development if it was allowed, like Matthews did.




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