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 Gryba on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715987]
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As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.


Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.


Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?


Ridiculous. Why sacrifice cap room? Just send him to the ECHL. Maybe Katz does have money troubles.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:20

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.


Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?


Ridiculous. Why sacrifice cap room? Just send him to the ECHL. Maybe Katz does have money troubles.

Interesting idea. Do we actually know the Oilers have been a profitable venture for Katz since he bought them? Maybe he was willing to operate them at a loss to get the arena built to support his real estate play downtown, but now that that's done are the Oilers on a budget?



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Adam wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:20

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:17

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:12

As per Lowetide.

Saying it will add 300k to cap the next 2 seasons.


Cool, but why?

They shouldn't have re-signed him last season, but is this because they had too many vets in Bakersfield and needed room for Keegan Lowe?


Ridiculous. Why sacrifice cap room? Just send him to the ECHL. Maybe Katz does have money troubles.

I imagine this is more about loyalty to the player giving him a (no) chance to get back to the NHL. I'd rather see him burried in the AHL/ECHL but 300K of cap space will not kill the team. It does go back to the bad extension, I think Chia needs a poster on his wall


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 Re: Grabs on waivers for purpose of buyout. [message #715994 is a reply to message #715987 ]
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Wow had to decipher that this was about Eric Gryba.

I thought this was something about Grabner or Grabovski (is that guy still around?).

Saving 300K? Da hell.



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Hmmm.

Option 1: demote him and have 0 cap hit for 1 year.

Option 2: Buyout and get 300k cap hit for 2 years.


I think the choice is clear.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 10:48

Hmmm.

Option 1: demote him and have 0 cap hit for 1 year.

Option 2: Buyout and get 300k cap hit for 2 years.


I think the choice is clear.

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Can't say I disagree. In PC's world of curious moves, this is less visible on the radar, less punishing to the franchise. He remains consistent, though, doesn't he?



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Okay I had no idea who Grabs was, it's Eric Gryba.

I bet I'm not the only one lost either.

Um.. am...um.. am I?



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Katz saves 600k to move over to Red Wine budget.

Coffey isn’t doing this for the goodness of his health after all.



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Maybe this is just a sign that the Oilers are being run as a business now? The only benefit to this move is saving Katz some money, at the cost of extra cap hit the team really should avoid at all costs.

In the end last year, staying way under the cap probably cancelled out the profits Katz lost by the team not making the playoffs.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 11:14

Maybe this is just a sign that the Oilers are being run as a business now? The only benefit to this move is saving Katz some money, at the cost of extra cap hit the team really should avoid at all costs.

In the end last year, staying way under the cap probably cancelled out the profits Katz lost by the team not making the playoffs.


You know what else would be a sign that the Oilers were being run like a business? If they eliminated any of the 17 members of the OBC that currently work for the team. There's got to be at least $300k in salary in that group.



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Goose wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 13:23

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 11:14

Maybe this is just a sign that the Oilers are being run as a business now? The only benefit to this move is saving Katz some money, at the cost of extra cap hit the team really should avoid at all costs.

In the end last year, staying way under the cap probably cancelled out the profits Katz lost by the team not making the playoffs.


You know what else would be a sign that the Oilers were being run like a business? If they eliminated any of the 17 members of the OBC that currently work for the team. There's got to be at least $300k in salary in that group.


More like $300K.. Each!



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:26

Goose wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 13:23

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 11:14

Maybe this is just a sign that the Oilers are being run as a business now? The only benefit to this move is saving Katz some money, at the cost of extra cap hit the team really should avoid at all costs.

In the end last year, staying way under the cap probably cancelled out the profits Katz lost by the team not making the playoffs.


You know what else would be a sign that the Oilers were being run like a business? If they eliminated any of the 17 members of the OBC that currently work for the team. There's got to be at least $300k in salary in that group.


More like $300K.. Each!


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Unfair to Gryba to be buried in the minors and watch whats left of a career tick away on him, I think he can play on a lot of teams, and will find a job. Good form shown by Oil to give him a chance to play back in the NHL. Always liked Gryba, not fast feet, decent defender, heavy hitter, and quick to stand up for teammates, always.




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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

Unfair to Gryba to be buried in the minors and watch whats left of a career tick away on him, I think he can play on a lot of teams, and will find a job. Good form shown by Oil to give him a chance to play back in the NHL. Always liked Gryba, not fast feet, decent defender, heavy hitter, and quick to stand up for teammates, always.



I get what you are saying, but this franchise really needs to be in the business of winning and wise business moves, not the “league nice guys”..

Sure, call it a class move, but this organization has had way more classless moves the past decade.

This falls under “dumb” for me.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 19:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

Unfair to Gryba to be buried in the minors and watch whats left of a career tick away on him, I think he can play on a lot of teams, and will find a job. Good form shown by Oil to give him a chance to play back in the NHL. Always liked Gryba, not fast feet, decent defender, heavy hitter, and quick to stand up for teammates, always.



I get what you are saying, but this franchise really needs to be in the business of winning and wise business moves, not the “league nice guys”..

Sure, call it a class move, but this organization has had way more classless moves the past decade.

This falls under “dumb” for me.


Agreed. Just about as dumb as the Pouliot buyout.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 19:11

g2k wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 19:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:22

Unfair to Gryba to be buried in the minors and watch whats left of a career tick away on him, I think he can play on a lot of teams, and will find a job. Good form shown by Oil to give him a chance to play back in the NHL. Always liked Gryba, not fast feet, decent defender, heavy hitter, and quick to stand up for teammates, always.



I get what you are saying, but this franchise really needs to be in the business of winning and wise business moves, not the “league nice guys”..

Sure, call it a class move, but this organization has had way more classless moves the past decade.

This falls under “dumb” for me.


Agreed. Just about as dumb as the Pouliot buyout.


I would argue it's more dumb. The options were 0 cap hit for 1 year, or 300k for 2 years. We pick 300k for 2 years...because reasons.

You even give him the shot to be picked up buy putting him on waivers. That's pretty fair. If a team wants to give him a shot, he is a cap hit that can be buried any time. If he isn't picked up then, what chance does he have as a free agent?



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Problem wasn't getting rid of him, but how it was done. Retain 300k this year, no cap next year, in some sort of trade. Tell his agent to find a club interested and trade him for an ECHL player on an expiring contract. Loan him to a team in Europe.

Or, let him live with the hard result of signing a 2-year deal and getting paid 900k to play hockey. You owe it to your team and fans to do right by the Oilers organization.

300k isn't going to make or break the team, but its once again a little bit more that adds up. Mostly, it is just concerning because it doesn't make a lick of sense, and this man is still calling the shots.

Its just bizarre to me that Nikitin and Fayne get buried, but Gryba is just too much. It is bizarre to me that you take a contract that expires next year, is completely able to be buried with no cap hit, and you put 300k on the cap for each of the next two years to save a couple dollars.

But maybe Keegan Lowe needs a position in Bakersfield now and having Gryba and Stanton there as vets already was too much. You couldn't not re-sign Keegan after all.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 21 June 2018 14:32

But maybe Keegan Lowe needs a position in Bakersfield now and having Gryba and Stanton there as vets already was too much. You couldn't not re-sign Keegan after all.

"Not re-sign"? Do you know who his father is!?! How dare you even express the very notion that Keegan could have been discarded!



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I think Chia got a conscience and cut his buddy loose so he can find work elsewhere as opposed to leaving him in the minors. Not good business. My brother used to tell me Chia was useless and I defended him but seeing hall last night plus the ebs/Lucic deals he needs to be run out of town. Total garbage.


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https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/devils-sign-eric-gryba-1 -year-contract/

Can someone make ANY sense out of this now? Apparently there was a market for Eric Gryba - and one in which a team was willing to pay him $700,000. If Chia had simply traded Gryba to New Jersey and retained $200,000 worth of salary, he would have saved the team $600,000 cash payout to the player, as well as saved $100,000 in cap space this year and $300,000 more cap space next year.

There's still not a really good reason to do it, because the team isn't really benefited at all by the move, but it still would have looked an awful lot better.

Instead, we buy out Gryba, adding yet another cut to our squandered cap space, and then sign a guy who's basically a younger version of Gryba.

Chia is truly incompetent.




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