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Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.

[Updated on: Mon, 02 April 2018 09:23]


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Stauffer is setting up the fan base for Chia to be fired... his teams are ‘big, tough, hard to play against teams’. Well, aside from the 2017-18 Oilers. He is also prepping the fan base for the firing of The Todd.

Chia’s replacement?? Enter a man who brought skill and speed to the Oilers forward group near the beginning of the DoD. Enter, a man with experience, a man who knows a thing or two about winning, if that was ever a concern. Enter. Kevin. Lowe.

The Todd’s replacement?? Enter a man who was within 1-win of being a Stanley Cup winning coach. Enter, a man who once went head-to-head, mono-e-mono, with Harvey the Hound. A man who left the game of Hockey and got his MBA!!! Enter. Craig. MacTavish.

This team needs Liam Reddox.

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To be fair, how many of us here were also calling for more size & team toughness? We were getting absolutely manhandled by all the other teams in the conference for years.

Of course, hindsight being 20-20 it now appears that the game is moving away from that style, but I don't recall too many people here being upset at the time that Chia was making our team bigger & stronger.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 10:00

To be fair, how many of us here were also calling for more size & team toughness? We were getting absolutely manhandled by all the other teams in the conference for years.

Of course, hindsight being 20-20 it now appears that the game is moving away from that style, but I don't recall too many people here being upset at the time that Chia was making our team bigger & stronger.

Oh 100%. Everyone and their dogs were calling for a heavier, tougher roster. Chia delivered on that and we made playoffs that one year.

I don’t think the masses; myself anyway, are fed up with Chia because he didn’t forecast the league moving to faster, more skilled style. Where I think the fan base is peeved with Chia is in his negotiating ‘skill’, trade values and cap management. Heck, he even has someone (Bill Scott) who’s role is cap management and they fail at it. But hey, he’s got lucky socks.

But hey, Cap Space has looked great in Oiler Orange this season.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 10:14

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 10:00

To be fair, how many of us here were also calling for more size & team toughness? We were getting absolutely manhandled by all the other teams in the conference for years.

Of course, hindsight being 20-20 it now appears that the game is moving away from that style, but I don't recall too many people here being upset at the time that Chia was making our team bigger & stronger.

Oh 100%. Everyone and their dogs were calling for a heavier, tougher roster. Chia delivered on that and we made playoffs that one year.

I don’t think the masses; myself anyway, are fed up with Chia because he didn’t forecast the league moving to faster, more skilled style. Where I think the fan base is peeved with Chia is in his negotiating ‘skill’, trade values and cap management. Heck, he even has someone (Bill Scott) who’s role is cap management and they fail at it. But hey, he’s got lucky socks.

But hey, Cap Space has looked great in Oiler Orange this season.


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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 10:00

To be fair, how many of us here were also calling for more size & team toughness? We were getting absolutely manhandled by all the other teams in the conference for years.

Of course, hindsight being 20-20 it now appears that the game is moving away from that style, but I don't recall too many people here being upset at the time that Chia was making our team bigger & stronger.


Literally, everyone.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:41

Stauffer is setting up the fan base for Chia to be fired... his teams are ‘big, tough, hard to play against teams’. Well, aside from the 2017-18 Oilers. He is also prepping the fan base for the firing of The Todd.

Chia’s replacement?? Enter a man who brought skill and speed to the Oilers forward group near the beginning of the DoD. Enter, a man with experience, a man who knows a thing or two about winning, if that was ever a concern. Enter. Kevin. Lowe.

The Todd’s replacement?? Enter a man who was within 1-win of being a Stanley Cup winning coach. Enter, a man who once went head-to-head, mono-e-mono, with Harvey the Hound. A man who left the game of Hockey and got his MBA!!! Enter. Craig. MacTavish.

This team needs Liam Reddox.


There is a masochistic part of me that wants Lowe and MacT to be re-install, just to hear whatever justification is given. I do think that, behind the scenes, the OBC is planting seeds in the head of Katz and co. along the lines of, "See, the 'professionals' were no better than we were... give us back control."

That said, given how concerned they were/are with optics, I could see them installing a new wave of OBC members... Coffey, Gretzky, Messier, and god knows who else.

To be honest, as much as I have soured on PC, I'd rather him than any ex-Oiler.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:41

Stauffer is setting up the fan base for Chia to be fired... his teams are ‘big, tough, hard to play against teams’. Well, aside from the 2017-18 Oilers. He is also prepping the fan base for the firing of The Todd.

Chia’s replacement?? Enter a man who brought skill and speed to the Oilers forward group near the beginning of the DoD. Enter, a man with experience, a man who knows a thing or two about winning, if that was ever a concern. Enter. Kevin. Lowe.

The Todd’s replacement?? Enter a man who was within 1-win of being a Stanley Cup winning coach. Enter, a man who once went head-to-head, mono-e-mono, with Harvey the Hound. A man who left the game of Hockey and got his MBA!!! Enter. Craig. MacTavish.

This team needs Liam Reddox.


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Are we ignoring the fact that the wheels fell off as soon as Sekera was hurt and even when he did return wasn’t the same as last year? And management whiffed on filling that gaping whole at 1D? Forcing the rest of the Dmen to play above their heads.

I agree we need speed to even the ship out, and replace Eberle’s points. But our defence just wasn’t anywhere near good enough this year and Talbot had a bad season.



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nullterm wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 11:49

Are we ignoring the fact that the wheels fell off as soon as Sekera was hurt and even when he did return wasn’t the same as last year? And management whiffed on filling that gaping whole at 1D? Forcing the rest of the Dmen to play above their heads.

I agree we need speed to even the ship out, and replace Eberle’s points. But our defence just wasn’t anywhere near good enough this year and Talbot had a bad season.


I wonder what the high end for this team would have been this year. The Kings and Shark both added some speed and skill to their lineup in their transition away from a heavier game. Kings really changed their game plan all together.

We are probably pushing into a wildcard spot if every one was healthy and Talbot wasn't a mess. Not contenders though. Can we ever be contenders with this coach anyways I wonder... I'm doubtful. Coach that can't line match, can't adjust, is stubborn as a mule, can't work the refs. Winning 4 7 game series with that behind the bench seems more impossible than Chia actually figuring out how to fix this year.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 11:56

nullterm wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 11:49

Are we ignoring the fact that the wheels fell off as soon as Sekera was hurt and even when he did return wasn’t the same as last year? And management whiffed on filling that gaping whole at 1D? Forcing the rest of the Dmen to play above their heads.

I agree we need speed to even the ship out, and replace Eberle’s points. But our defence just wasn’t anywhere near good enough this year and Talbot had a bad season.


I wonder what the high end for this team would have been this year. The Kings and Shark both added some speed and skill to their lineup in their transition away from a heavier game. Kings really changed their game plan all together.

We are probably pushing into a wildcard spot if every one was healthy and Talbot wasn't a mess. Not contenders though. Can we ever be contenders with this coach anyways I wonder... I'm doubtful. Coach that can't line match, can't adjust, is stubborn as a mule, can't work the refs. Winning 4 7 game series with that behind the bench seems more impossible than Chia actually figuring out how to fix this year.


I agree with what you are saying here. They rolled the dice on Brossoit but clearly it was a mistake so they needed a better back up from the start. So that cost them a little bit but for me, it all still comes down to your starter. Most teams that have a "starter" play him over 60 games and you need your starter to give you good starts in the HUGE majority of those 60 games. The Oilers had a clear cut starter in Talbot. He has played in 64 games so far, he will probably end up playing high 60's. If they had a better back up, maybe he plays in 60 games. That still to me wouldn't have made a difference. This isn't me letting the organization off the hook. I just don't think Talbot has even given them a quality start in 3/4 of the games he played. So even if they had a good back, they would still be short.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:15

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.

What Stauffer said was a surprise to WHO exactly?

I don't disagree with the Oilers needing to get bigger and heavier. They WERE getting man handled way too much. They just went too far.



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Sorry I don't remember the discussion where we all agreed that we should surround McDavid with absolute plugs. I also think it's been a while since the Oilers got "pushed around". Like back when they were "team tough" with Staios and Torres after Laraque left (for rehab) maybe?


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I would like to issue an apology it turns out Laraque left to play for another hockey team. I had from a reliable source it was for rehab.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 10:16

I would like to issue an apology it turns out Laraque left to play for another hockey team. I had from a reliable source it was for rehab.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 10:03

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:15

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.

What Stauffer said was a surprise to WHO exactly?

I don't disagree with the Oilers needing to get bigger and heavier. They WERE getting man handled way too much. They just went too far.


Just nice to hear it from a guy in the Oilers org. Surprising admission actually, although maybe people are right, that the point of it is to turn the fans on Chia. Personally my ire and disappointment goes beyond him though. MacT and Howson, and Lowe and Nicholson above were all tasked 3 years ago with not wasting McDavid's career here and ending a long run of failure. You can't pin this all on 1 guy, although I can see them trying once again like with old Tambo.

I think beyond just speed vs slowness, this org was also out to lunch on the value of PMD. Just last summer we signed Gryba to a 2 year deal. Bad sign of how out to lunch Chia still was just a year ago when the rest of the league (the good teams at least) were trying to load of on players the opposite of Gryba for a couple years already. There is absolutely no place for a Gryba on a good team anymore, but we signed him for 2 years. Not that damaging in terms of cap hit and whatever, but it's still revealing how out to lunch this management team was, and may still be. We may have also been in on Hamonic, which would have been another disaster.

It's also scary how they reveal themselves as trend chasers, rather than a team that is on par with the rest of the league. We are clearly followers and constantly playing catch-up. Which is a scary place to be in the most competitive hockey league in the world.

If we hired Shero 3 years ago, we are probably competing for a cup right now. He started with way less than CHia had, and basically every move he's made from 2015 to now has moved NJD a step forward from a purely defensive team with low skill into a fast transition team loaded with young PMD. Bet he's making less money than Chia hehe.

[Updated on: Mon, 02 April 2018 10:26]


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The fact the Oilers chose that direction isn't the fact they chose that direction, but the timing. When the Oilers were too small and "too skilled" up front, everyone included us on this board was calling for some size so Hemsky didn't get run or Gagner to be killed or Hall to be smashed to the ground. At the time that's what we needed, and the organization didn't chase that. Now years after when Hall is but a memory Eberle has another zip code our team of smurfs are now bigger, slower and less skilled.

Chia was given his papers to procure the team and didn't do enough to stop the fire hose of suggestions from Lowe and company (yes yes if you tell me Lowe isn't part of the operations of this team, I have a bridge I can sell you).. so Chia did what his bosses said and acquired the talent to build the team of yesteryear, Congratulations, he did it! Mission accomplished.

Except now, the team is behind the mark again, inept, and without team toughness that they should have. Lucic was brought in to replace Hall (sigh), Strome to replace Eberle, and Reinhart to replace Barzal.. Lucic would be a huge marker for team toughness but his confidence is at an all time low that he isn't a factor at all.

So Chia will be fired and I think Gretzky is being brought in to be the GM, and Coffey to be an assistant coach, the vultures of the OBC are hovering... and I pray I'm wrong because I don't want to hate on Gretzky for his less than experienced moves.. if I do I blame the Oilers. Hey wait the OIlers have a plethora of ex-Gm's in their ranks.. HOWSON! (Fired), MACT! (Removed), LOWE! (Promoted to untouchable).. oh.... (*exasperated*) ...my god.

MacLellan will remain coach.. he loves his vert over rookies and while some of you want his head on a pike, I'm not there yet.. maybe if Quenneville is available I'd be all for it.

...but hey I bought my season tickets to watch the hockey, and watch the tire fire that Oilers will become - yet again.



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Stauffer got it wrong.

The NHL going in a "different direction" with "speed and skill", is BS. The NHL has always required "speed" and "skill". However, the best teams have all that, plus they are able to compete physically, they have size as well, and are able to able to stand up to any and all attempts to intimidate them, which the Oilers were unable to do since 2006. A small team with only speed and skill will struggle, then and now. I hope this isn't the "lesson learned" that the Oilers management think is their take away from this blown season, and that this is the new franchise "direction", because it'll lead to another false pot of gold.

The problem with Chiarelli was he went big... but slow, with hands of stone.

The main issue is the team speed and smarts (is that classified as a "skill"?) lots of guys with mediocre speed, mediocre skill, mediocre hockey IQ, and surprisingly ... they are not "big" .. and don't play "heavy".

Actually who would you describe as big, plays heavy, and without speed and skill.. Maroon, Lucic, Gryba, and ..

The others that are big and play heavy also include some speed and skill. Kassian, Khaira, Nurse, Larsson, LD..

The Hall and Reinhart are the moves that really set the franchise back, and not related to getting big and heavy, it was chasing defensemen and giving up too much for it, like all world speed and skill in Hall's case.

Odds this could be PR misdirection clearing the way for justification of some impending moves... likely high. :)

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Like I said, the Oilers needed to get some size and some nasty at forward and defense. I am not here to debate the Hall for Larsson trade. But if you decided you needed a Larsson on your defense to make it meaner, more physical, more nasty and more defensive. Fine but you don't also need Gryba. If you need more bite in your forward ranks, fine. You go out and get Maroon but then you don't need Lucic. So they went WAY too far.


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Agreed. Fire Chia


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Kevin Lowe giving Daryl Katz some much needed 'advice'
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 Re: Stauffer reveals what happened to the Oilers... [message #712931 is a reply to message #712905 ]
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I honestly wonder how much of this organizational pain the Oilers and fans have been feeling is due in very large part to Lowe's ego and hubris.

Some hockey god is just destroying this franchise to cut Six Rings down to size.



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HamBlaster wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 16:07

I honestly wonder how much of this organizational pain the Oilers and fans have been feeling is due in very large part to Lowe's ego and hubris.

Some hockey god is just destroying this franchise to cut Six Rings down to size.


Why would the hockey gods destroy the Oilers when they can sit back and let Lowe do it himself?



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Problem is the Oilers chase an attribute more than a good hockey player. You tweak for attributes; you build with good players.

They spent a decade chasing a Milan Lucic clone, finally got it, and made heavy hockey a priority. They didnt have any defensemen, so they sign and draft every available defenseman known on the market.

Now they are chasing right shots and speed. Again, both are lacking, but when you get tunnel vision on those two traits, you ignore the opportunity to add better players that don't fit those two traits.

Example: I'd way rather have Maroon than Cagguila, Slepyshev, or Kassian. These three may be faster or shoot right, but Maroon can play in your Top-6 and score.

Trying to get faster isn't wrong, but solely trying to get faster is. Just like getting bigger and tougher wasn't wrong, but solely focusing on getting bigger and tougher put the Oilers in the situation they are now in.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 11:52

Problem is the Oilers chase an attribute more than a good hockey player. You tweak for attributes; you build with good players.

They spent a decade chasing a Milan Lucic clone, finally got it, and made heavy hockey a priority. They didnt have any defensemen, so they sign and draft every available defenseman known on the market.

Now they are chasing right shots and speed. Again, both are lacking, but when you get tunnel vision on those two traits, you ignore the opportunity to add better players that don't fit those two traits.

Example: I'd way rather have Maroon than Cagguila, Slepyshev, or Kassian. These three may be faster or shoot right, but Maroon can play in your Top-6 and score.

Trying to get faster isn't wrong, but solely trying to get faster is. Just like getting bigger and tougher wasn't wrong, but solely focusing on getting bigger and tougher put the Oilers in the situation they are now in.

Agree and co-sign

The Oilers have been filling slots since the Generation of Decline came into effect. No pressure from below. No competition. Just box checking leading to chaos and bad hockey whenever something doesn't go perfectly to plan.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 12:52

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 11:52

Problem is the Oilers chase an attribute more than a good hockey player. You tweak for attributes; you build with good players.

They spent a decade chasing a Milan Lucic clone, finally got it, and made heavy hockey a priority. They didnt have any defensemen, so they sign and draft every available defenseman known on the market.

Now they are chasing right shots and speed. Again, both are lacking, but when you get tunnel vision on those two traits, you ignore the opportunity to add better players that don't fit those two traits.

Example: I'd way rather have Maroon than Cagguila, Slepyshev, or Kassian. These three may be faster or shoot right, but Maroon can play in your Top-6 and score.

Trying to get faster isn't wrong, but solely trying to get faster is. Just like getting bigger and tougher wasn't wrong, but solely focusing on getting bigger and tougher put the Oilers in the situation they are now in.

Agree and co-sign

The Oilers have been filling slots since the Generation of Decline came into effect. No pressure from below. No competition. Just box checking leading to chaos and bad hockey whenever something doesn't go perfectly to plan.



Sounds like circular behavior, carried out by a bunch of jerks!



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I forgot Lowe's comments before that showed that we are just repeating history now. He said a year or 2 ago that when he started the Hall rebuild, it was built on the premise that he felt the only reason the Oilers lost to Dallas all those years back was because Dallas had a couple high end forwards (Modano and Hull). He wants his own high end forwards, and hopefully crap would just work out I guess. He also admitted that he forgot the importance of having solid D. This fixation on 1 thing behind the solution to all the Oilers problems is not new. We did it again going after big players and some tough D. Now, we want fast players as we try to work around the handicaps of Chia's moves to create our big tough team.


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 15:47

I forgot Lowe's comments before that showed that we are just repeating history now. He said a year or 2 ago that when he started the Hall rebuild, it was built on the premise that he felt the only reason the Oilers lost to Dallas all those years back was because Dallas had a couple high end forwards (Modano and Hull). He wants his own high end forwards, and hopefully crap would just work out I guess. He also admitted that he forgot the importance of having solid D. This fixation on 1 thing behind the solution to all the Oilers problems is not new. We did it again going after big players and some tough D. Now, we want fast players as we try to work around the handicaps of Chia's moves to create our big tough team.

... is Chia just a placeholder? Is Lowe really the puppet master?



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OilMJMOil wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 14:58

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 15:47

I forgot Lowe's comments before that showed that we are just repeating history now. He said a year or 2 ago that when he started the Hall rebuild, it was built on the premise that he felt the only reason the Oilers lost to Dallas all those years back was because Dallas had a couple high end forwards (Modano and Hull). He wants his own high end forwards, and hopefully crap would just work out I guess. He also admitted that he forgot the importance of having solid D. This fixation on 1 thing behind the solution to all the Oilers problems is not new. We did it again going after big players and some tough D. Now, we want fast players as we try to work around the handicaps of Chia's moves to create our big tough team.

... is Chia just a placeholder? Is Lowe really the puppet master?


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Where this all falls apart is that it flies directly against the narrative we heard from 2012-16 that the team was only failing because they were built too small and skilled and didn't have enough bruising players. It was suggested that you couldn't win in the West with fast, skilled teams because there were big strong teams that beat the pulp out of you.

Now, if the NHL suddenly tightened up on calling penalties, you could maybe believe that the league had unlocked the game for skilled players and that it wasn't possible to win with the same tactics, but that hasn't happened. The league continues to trend downwards on the number of penalties they call.

So then if big, strong teams beat swift, skilled teams, the trend towards more skill and less brute force should actually be a move in the Oilers favour...but of course, we see that that was never the case. The Oilers didn't lose because of Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. not being mean and gritty enough, they lost because the management did a piss poor job surrounding them with adequate supporting cast and creating a team culture where everyone was pulling in the same direction, and because the coaching was magnificently bad.

And now, they have a bigger, slower team built around McDavid, Draisaitl & Nuge, and it still sucks because the management has done a piss poor job surrounding them with adequate supporting cast, has failed to build a cohesive team culture where everyone is pulling in the same direction and still coaching is magnificently bad.

The true crime here is the level of talent that the Oilers had, managed properly, should have meant the team was a legitimate threat to win the Cup last year and this year...and instead we've got bare cupboards and another lottery ball.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:15

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.


Stauffer still works for the oilers so his opinion is just trying to spin stuff



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steve.kreys wrote on Fri, 20 April 2018 13:46

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:15

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.


Stauffer still works for the oilers so his opinion is just trying to spin stuff



I think how Stauffer works for the Oilers makes this worse. He's basically revealing that the last 3 years the oilers operated with a flawed plan and were totally out of lunch on how the league was moving. They made multiple bad moves that are now biting them because of that flawed plan.

How Stauffer can say this, and then Oilers management is still out touting their plan and how they believe in their plan is kinda ridiculous.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:15

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.


So to summarize, Chia tried to build the 2011 Boston Bruins in Edmonton.



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Magnum wrote on Mon, 23 April 2018 07:24

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 02 April 2018 09:15

Bob Stauffer @Bob_Stauffer
The Edmonton Oilers chose a path a few years ago...to get bigger and heavier to match the California teams in the Pacific...something the majority of the media and fans in Edmonton were completely on board with at that time...
...The NHL has moved in a completely different direction to a speed and skill based game.
In the future the Oilers will need to focus on those type of players to compliment the McDavid's and Draisaitl's.
Frustrating season no doubt, I expect far better in 2018-19!



So, to summarize. We are a team that chases trends (years late). We are willing to fixate on single attributes and lose trades badly and sign brutal NMC contracts to achieve that goal. We are willing to make these franchise altering moves to just be able to beat a handful of teams, ignoring the other 25 (and the ones we were targeting were already transitioning away from what we were fixated on). We are not able to read what the entire league is doing until it's obvious to even the most casual fan. Of course to go with all this we probably employ one of the most expensive management groups in the NHL.

SO, what's gonna happen now that we're chasing the speed trend? Team full of Hagelin's? We seem to want any college player that has the word "fast" in their scouting report.


So to summarize, Chia tried to build the 2011 Boston Bruins in Edmonton.


Can probably say all the OBC did too. Chia said MacT was trying to make the oilers big and heavy when he got there. We all remember MacT musing about getting a Lucic in his GM hiring press conference, he would have been all in on Lucic just like he was with Clarkson if he was still GM at the time.

The whole gang is in this together. Pretty much the same situation as he was in in Boston. Chia is willing to make big possibly very damaging moves, and he has the hive mind, of old school thinkers that are not at all in tune with what it actually takes to win in todays league, surrounding him giving the thumbs up and even encouraging for these moves.



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The next NHL trend will be speed that can actually take and make a pass but right now the league only has two dozen of those.


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