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 Re: 2017-18 NHL Season Random Thoughts [message #709005 is a reply to message #699558 ]
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This league will just never get it. Cooke went years injuring top players and barely ever got a real punishment for it.

https://www.nhl.com/video/t-277440360/c-57625803

Dustin Brown checks Schultz square in the back while Schultz was on his knees facing the boards last month, he only got a fine. Now he cuts towards a young star Sergachev to make sure he gets a piece of his leg and almost wrecks the rookies knee and he gets 1 game. After a decade of Brown running around throwing cheap shots, the league still just keeps the kid gloves on disciplining him.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 11 February 2018 17:53

This league will just never get it. Cooke went years injuring top players and barely ever got a real punishment for it.

https://www.nhl.com/video/t-277440360/c-57625803

Dustin Brown checks Schultz square in the back while Schultz was on his knees facing the boards last month, he only got a fine. Now he cuts towards a young star Sergachev to make sure he gets a piece of his leg and almost wrecks the rookies knee and he gets 1 game. After a decade of Brown running around throwing cheap shots, the league still just keeps the kid gloves on disciplining him.



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Fun night in the NHL - Hall with a point in his 16th game in a row (his 61PTS in 53GP is good for 8th in the NHL in Pts/Gm), Barzal with 3 points to inch closer to top 10 in league scoring, and Eberle with his 20th goal of the season.

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Mike wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 20:03

Fun night in the NHL - Hall with a point in his 16th game in a row (his 61PTS in 53GP is good for 8th in the NHL in Pts/Gm), Barzal with 3 points to inch closer to top 10 in league scoring, and Eberle with his 20th goal of the season.

#FIRECHIA

Sometimes you have to lose 3 or 4 trades to have the best player in the world and still manage to regress into a top 5 lottery pick team.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 20:08

Mike wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 20:03

Fun night in the NHL - Hall with a point in his 16th game in a row (his 61PTS in 53GP is good for 8th in the NHL in Pts/Gm), Barzal with 3 points to inch closer to top 10 in league scoring, and Eberle with his 20th goal of the season.

#FIRECHIA

Sometimes you have to lose 3 or 4 trades to have the best player in the world and still manage to regress into a top 5 lottery pick team.


Just the cyclical nature of being terrible at everything to do with building a hockey team except for winning lotteries.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 20:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 20:08

Mike wrote on Thu, 15 February 2018 20:03

Fun night in the NHL - Hall with a point in his 16th game in a row (his 61PTS in 53GP is good for 8th in the NHL in Pts/Gm), Barzal with 3 points to inch closer to top 10 in league scoring, and Eberle with his 20th goal of the season.

#FIRECHIA

Sometimes you have to lose 3 or 4 trades to have the best player in the world and still manage to regress into a top 5 lottery pick team.


Just the cyclical nature of being terrible at everything to do with building a hockey team except for winning lotteries.


You know what they say though - You’re only as good as your last lottery. All we had to do was hold serve and we would have had Laine. Chia can’t even do that right.



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C'mon now, lets cut the Oilers some slack, they weren't even going to draft Barzal at 16th...

...weren't even going to draft Barzal...

Way to make your organization look more stupid.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:40

C'mon now, lets cut the Oilers some slack, they weren't even going to draft Barzal at 16th...

...weren't even going to draft Barzal...

Way to make your organization look more stupid.


That's hilarious icon_lol

I remember freaking out when the Bruins made their 3 picks and Barzal was still there.


Weren't even going to pick him...lol



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Mike wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 12:45

WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:40

C'mon now, lets cut the Oilers some slack, they weren't even going to draft Barzal at 16th...

...weren't even going to draft Barzal...

Way to make your organization look more stupid.


That's hilarious icon_lol

I remember freaking out when the Bruins made their 3 picks and Barzal was still there.


Weren't even going to pick him...lol


And Kyle Connor, and Brock Boeser, Thomas Chabot...Boston really messed up with those three picks.



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OilPeg wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 13:07

Mike wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 12:45

WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:40

C'mon now, lets cut the Oilers some slack, they weren't even going to draft Barzal at 16th...

...weren't even going to draft Barzal...

Way to make your organization look more stupid.


That's hilarious icon_lol

I remember freaking out when the Bruins made their 3 picks and Barzal was still there.


Weren't even going to pick him...lol


And Kyle Connor, and Brock Boeser, Thomas Chabot...Boston really messed up with those three picks.


To be fair to them, DeBrusk is looking like a player. 29 points in 51 games as a 21-year old rookie.

But yeah, Barzal was the better choice. Teams out-thought themselves on that one...



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Adam wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:10

OilPeg wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 13:07

Mike wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 12:45

WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:40

C'mon now, lets cut the Oilers some slack, they weren't even going to draft Barzal at 16th...

...weren't even going to draft Barzal...

Way to make your organization look more stupid.


That's hilarious icon_lol

I remember freaking out when the Bruins made their 3 picks and Barzal was still there.


Weren't even going to pick him...lol


And Kyle Connor, and Brock Boeser, Thomas Chabot...Boston really messed up with those three picks.


To be fair to them, DeBrusk is looking like a player. 29 points in 51 games as a 21-year old rookie.

But yeah, Barzal was the better choice. Teams out-thought themselves on that one...


Yeah, Debrusk is good, that's fair, but he's not better than Boeser, Connor and Barzal and arguably not better than Chabot and Konecny. Either way Oilers could've had any one of those five players plus whoever the 2nd rounder would've been instead of Reinhart, which i think is the point.



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OilPeg wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 13:14

Adam wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:10

OilPeg wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 13:07

Mike wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 12:45

WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 14:40

C'mon now, lets cut the Oilers some slack, they weren't even going to draft Barzal at 16th...

...weren't even going to draft Barzal...

Way to make your organization look more stupid.


That's hilarious icon_lol

I remember freaking out when the Bruins made their 3 picks and Barzal was still there.


Weren't even going to pick him...lol


And Kyle Connor, and Brock Boeser, Thomas Chabot...Boston really messed up with those three picks.


To be fair to them, DeBrusk is looking like a player. 29 points in 51 games as a 21-year old rookie.

But yeah, Barzal was the better choice. Teams out-thought themselves on that one...


Yeah, Debrusk is good, that's fair, but he's not better than Boeser, Connor and Barzal and arguably not better than Chabot and Konecny. Either way Oilers could've had any one of those five players plus whoever the 2nd rounder would've been instead of Reinhart, which i think is the point.


To be fair, the Oilers weren't going to pick Boeser, Connor, Barzal, Chabot or Konecny. So it's all moot and we should just never talk badly about the move ever again :)


Seriously though, who would have ever thought this team could use right shooting skill with McDavid, Drai and Nuge as our 3 C's. No one could have foreseen such a need back in 2015. Definitely needed a slow left handed D that puts up no points when we were super high on Nurse and had Sek and Klef. Just a no-brainer.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 February 2018 13:16


To be fair, the Oilers weren't going to pick Boeser, Connor, Barzal, Chabot or Konecny. So it's all moot and we should just never talk badly about the move ever again :)

Seriously though, who would have ever thought this team could use right shooting skill with McDavid, Drai and Nuge as our 3 C's. No one could have foreseen such a need back in 2015. Definitely needed a slow left handed D that puts up no points when we were super high on Nurse and had Sek and Klef. Just a no-brainer.


Just ridiculous to look at that in hindsight. Totally understandable that they wanted Hamilton, and if that move had worked out, they would have got him without giving up anything from the at-the-time roster. They would have had a high-end powerplay quarterback defenceman who can put up points. Even if you want to complain that he's really only a second pairing guy, he would have fit what they need very well and the team would have looked pretty decent:

Hall McDavid Eberle
Yakupov Nugent-Hopkins Pouliot
Purcell Draisaitl Lander
Hendricks Letestu Pakarinen

Hamilton Sekera
Schultz Klefbom
Fayne Davidson/Nurse/Gryba/Nikitin

Talbot
Nilsson

That's not a perfect roster, but there's incredible depth at forward and the defence isn't terrible at all. There are building blocks there.

Instead they make the deal for Reinhart, who makes the lineup out of camp - mostly on the back of being a big acquisition for the general manager. He played 12 games of the Oilers first 21 games that year - he would only play 17 games in the next 143 during his Oilers career.

Then, still needing a right hand shot powerplay quarterback type (maybe needing one even more, since we sold Schultz at pennies on the dollar), the Oilers trade Hall for Larsson, gutting the forward depth and adding another guy who does NOT play on the man advantage or add much of a puck-moving aspect. Apparently they also considered Cody Ceci - which suggests that Chiarelli was SEARCHING for another defence-first guy for Hall, rather than looking for the high-end point producer that they STILL are looking for.

Chiarelli was given the easiest job in hockey - making a winner out of that roster - and he's completely screwed the pooch.




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People suggesting Matthews is the greatest goal scorer of all time because of special era and age adjustments and yadda yadda. But, Laine is 7 months younger and has the same career goals/game so far.

How does that work?



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 24 February 2018 19:05

People suggesting Matthews is the greatest goal scorer of all time because of special era and age adjustments and yadda yadda. But, Laine is 7 months younger and has the same career goals/game so far.

How does that work?

Blue and White tinted glasses?



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Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


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Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 09:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Woah woah woah... what!? I saw that he took Bennett's(?) skate to the throat, he then later took a high stick to the throat? That's unfortunate. Then called for embellishment..and tossed for arguing?! What is up with officiating?! That's total manure. I don't care if it was Marchand in that situation, that sounds like total and utter BS.

I was pretty stoked to see the Avs put up 4 in that second period last night after I saw a 2-0 Flames in the first.

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Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 09:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Gulatzan at least uses his voice... I imagine TMac would remain tight-lipped if this happened to Connor.

“That one, to me, is dumbfounding,” Gulutzan said. “For any player that has ever played, when you get something in the face … I’ve gotta defend my guy here. This is our guy. This is our best player. Eleven minutes to go, he gets high-sticked in the face, and then three minutes later he’s thrown out of the game? I don’t know how you’re supposed to react to getting hit in the face.”



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Hate to give props to the Flames, but whenever I hear them speak they seem to say the right things.


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OilMJMOil wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 11:28

Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 09:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Gulatzan at least uses his voice... I imagine TMac would remain tight-lipped if this happened to Connor.

“That one, to me, is dumbfounding,” Gulutzan said. “For any player that has ever played, when you get something in the face … I’ve gotta defend my guy here. This is our guy. This is our best player. Eleven minutes to go, he gets high-sticked in the face, and then three minutes later he’s thrown out of the game? I don’t know how you’re supposed to react to getting hit in the face.”


Sure would be nice as a player to have your coach have your back wouldn'tit.

Seriously - this league is so stupid. For years when Crosby came in to the league, he was hacked and whacked with impunity. McDavid is getting no respect at all from the refs. And as much as I hate to admit it, Gaudreau is one of the most exciting players in the NHL, a legit star, also no respect. They need to do a 180 and go the NBA route and start giving the stars the benefit of the doubt. Nobody pays their hard earned money to watch 4th liners draping themselves all over superstars and stifling all the creativity and excitement out of the game.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 09:23

OilMJMOil wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 11:28

Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 09:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Gulatzan at least uses his voice... I imagine TMac would remain tight-lipped if this happened to Connor.

“That one, to me, is dumbfounding,” Gulutzan said. “For any player that has ever played, when you get something in the face … I’ve gotta defend my guy here. This is our guy. This is our best player. Eleven minutes to go, he gets high-sticked in the face, and then three minutes later he’s thrown out of the game? I don’t know how you’re supposed to react to getting hit in the face.”


Sure would be nice as a player to have your coach have your back wouldn'tit.

Seriously - this league is so stupid. For years when Crosby came in to the league, he was hacked and whacked with impunity. McDavid is getting no respect at all from the refs. And as much as I hate to admit it, Gaudreau is one of the most exciting players in the NHL, a legit star, also no respect. They need to do a 180 and go the NBA route and start giving the stars the benefit of the doubt. Nobody pays their hard earned money to watch 4th liners draping themselves all over superstars and stifling all the creativity and excitement out of the game.


110% agree with this, how many more times do we need to see an open field tackle on McDavid or Matthews getting wacked 500 times a game? Even beyond the stars, Evander Kane could have seriously injured Benning and yet no call??? Could have been a game misconduct with that hit from behind but nothing. Officiating in the NHL is beyond broken, and all 31 teams are getting hosed from incredibly baffling calls.



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Does anyone else find the effort to get Willie O'ree the Hall of Fame going on kinda stupid. The guy played 45 NHL games and had 14 points. How does that qualify?

Then I hear all this stuff about how he was Hockeys Jackie Robinson and I find it blasphemous. Hockey never had a color barrier. There was no gentlemans agreements among owners to keep blacks out of hockey like there was with baseball. He didn't deal with the the rampant racism of the southern US at the time. Jackie Robinson was a hero. He tore down so many racial barriers in his life and took intolerable abuse. He did it with pride too and didn't sink to the level of his abusers. He was also one of the best ever to play the game which helped his cause.

Willie Oree just happened to be the first black guy good enough to be in the NHL. It took till the 70s until that happened again. After Jackie Robinson a flood of black players that were held out unfairly appeared.

I mean does Jordan Tootoo yet the Hall nod because he is the first inuit? I doubt it.

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Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 15:16

Does anyone else find the effort to get Willie O'ree the Hall of Fame going on kinda stupid. The guy played 45 NHL games and had 14 points. How does that qualify?

Then I hear all this stuff about how he was Hockeys Jackie Robinson and I find it blasphemous. Hockey never had a color barrier. There was no gentlemans agreements among owners to keep blacks out of hockey like there was with baseball. He didn't deal with the the rampant racism of the southern US at the time. Jackie Robinson was a hero. He tore down so many racial barriers in his life and took intolerable abuse. He did it with pride too and didn't sink to the level of his abusers. He was also one of the best ever to play the game which helped his cause.

Willie Oree just happened to be the first black guy good enough to be in the NHL. It took till the 70s until that happened again. After Jackie Robinson a flood of black players that were held out unfairly appeared.

I mean does Jordan Tootoo yet the Hall nod because he is the first inuit? I doubt it.


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Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 15:16

Does anyone else find the effort to get Willie O'ree the Hall of Fame going on kinda stupid. The guy played 45 NHL games and had 14 points. How does that qualify?

Then I hear all this stuff about how he was Hockeys Jackie Robinson and I find it blasphemous. Hockey never had a color barrier. There was no gentlemans agreements among owners to keep blacks out of hockey like there was with baseball. He didn't deal with the the rampant racism of the southern US at the time. Jackie Robinson was a hero. He tore down so many racial barriers in his life and took intolerable abuse. He did it with pride too and didn't sink to the level of his abusers. He was also one of the best ever to play the game which helped his cause.

Willie Oree just happened to be the first black guy good enough to be in the NHL. It took till the 70s until that happened again. After Jackie Robinson a flood of black players that were held out unfairly appeared.

I mean does Jordan Tootoo yet the Hall nod because he is the first inuit? I doubt it.


The hell did I just read? Man, I've been guilty of posting while drank, man you're on Purple Drank I think.

I had the same reaction when I read that above. I made a well thought out post with well reasoned examples and explanations. What does that crap add. If you disagree make a point.



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Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 15:16

Does anyone else find the effort to get Willie O'ree the Hall of Fame going on kinda stupid. The guy played 45 NHL games and had 14 points. How does that qualify?

Then I hear all this stuff about how he was Hockeys Jackie Robinson and I find it blasphemous. Hockey never had a color barrier. There was no gentlemans agreements among owners to keep blacks out of hockey like there was with baseball. He didn't deal with the the rampant racism of the southern US at the time. Jackie Robinson was a hero. He tore down so many racial barriers in his life and took intolerable abuse. He did it with pride too and didn't sink to the level of his abusers. He was also one of the best ever to play the game which helped his cause.

Willie Oree just happened to be the first black guy good enough to be in the NHL. It took till the 70s until that happened again. After Jackie Robinson a flood of black players that were held out unfairly appeared.

I mean does Jordan Tootoo yet the Hall nod because he is the first inuit? I doubt it.


Baba, I encourage you truly look into the history of why Willie deserves to be in the HHOF, I've done a feature on his story before and check out the movie Soul On Ice. This story goes well beyond the NHL. Willie had one of the more accomplished minor pro days and has helped over 30,000 kids get into hockey as the NHL's head of diversity. If not as a player then he dang sure needs to go in as a builder.

Conn Smythe from many sources has been quoted as saying that if someone could turn Herb Carnegie white he'd take him on the Leafs.

Just because the history of race and hockey is not as promient as the one with baseball does not mean there were not serious issues, especially with black players.



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I could see as a builder. I appreciate the well reasoned response. So many people get so bent out of shape anytime you mention anything to do with this stuff. It prevents a open dialogue. I will check that out. If your interested in reading something check this guy out. Unlike O'Ree hardly anyone in the US knows about him now.

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Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 17:45

I could see as a builder. I appreciate the well reasoned response. So many people get so bent out of shape anytime you mention anything to do with this stuff. It prevents a open dialogue. I will check that out. If your interested in reading something check this guy out. Unlike O'Ree hardly anyone in the US knows about him now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Sasakamoose


If I get racial slurs thrown on me in rec ball hockey in 2018 I'm sure it wasn't a walk in the park for Willie O'Ree to be a pro player in the 1950's. No hockey didn't have a negro league like baseball but you don't think it was a feat for a black player in 1950 no less to be a hockey player? I'm sure it took a little bit of courage, that was before the civil rights movement took place. I find it funny you think because he wasn't in the southern US that he didn't have to deal with anything Jackie Robinson did. The fact that you use the words blasphemy and even bring it up as an issue then tell other people their bent out of shape is almost hypocritical.

The hall of fame wasn't always about stats and it's part of the reason it burns me that Paul Henderson hasn't been inducted. I think it was Liam McGuire that said that Henderson actually has better numbers than many of inductees but still hasn't got his due.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 19:31

Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 17:45

I could see as a builder. I appreciate the well reasoned response. So many people get so bent out of shape anytime you mention anything to do with this stuff. It prevents a open dialogue. I will check that out. If your interested in reading something check this guy out. Unlike O'Ree hardly anyone in the US knows about him now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Sasakamoose


If I get racial slurs thrown on me in rec ball hockey in 2018 I'm sure it wasn't a walk in the park for Willie O'Ree to be a pro player in the 1950's. No hockey didn't have a negro league like baseball but you don't think it was a feat for a black player in 1950 no less to be a hockey player? I'm sure it took a little bit of courage, that was before the civil rights movement took place. I find it funny you think because he wasn't in the southern US that he didn't have to deal with anything Jackie Robinson did. The fact that you use the words blasphemy and even bring it up as an issue then tell other people their bent out of shape is almost hypocritical.

The hall of fame wasn't always about stats and it's part of the reason it burns me that Paul Henderson hasn't been inducted. I think it was Liam McGuire that said that Henderson actually has better numbers than many of inductees but still hasn't got his due.


Actually there was an all black hockey league! In Nova Scotia from 1895 to 1925 the Coloured Hockey League was a thing and there's proof that they were the first hockey league in the world to allow goalies to drop to their knees to make saves and to use the slapshot.





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Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 14:16

Does anyone else find the effort to get Willie O'ree the Hall of Fame going on kinda stupid. The guy played 45 NHL games and had 14 points. How does that qualify?

Then I hear all this stuff about how he was Hockeys Jackie Robinson and I find it blasphemous. Hockey never had a color barrier. There was no gentlemans agreements among owners to keep blacks out of hockey like there was with baseball. He didn't deal with the the rampant racism of the southern US at the time. Jackie Robinson was a hero. He tore down so many racial barriers in his life and took intolerable abuse. He did it with pride too and didn't sink to the level of his abusers. He was also one of the best ever to play the game which helped his cause.

Willie Oree just happened to be the first black guy good enough to be in the NHL. It took till the 70s until that happened again. After Jackie Robinson a flood of black players that were held out unfairly appeared.

I mean does Jordan Tootoo yet the Hall nod because he is the first inuit? I doubt it.

I know Baba doesn't need any back up on the internet. But I agree with him. There has to be a point where society moves past the need to point out the color of people who accomplish things, even if it was in the past. Pointing out that somebody was black is only further building the wall between us and Dr. King's dream. Where the color of a man's skin has no more relevance than the color of his eyes.
Ok well let's stop pointing out the fact a black or gay or Asian guy achieved something if the color of their skin or sexual preference doesn't matter, just stop constantly pointing it out. All it does today is breed resentment and make Caucasian people feel blamed. Well my daddy never owned a slave and his daddy and his dad's dad before him neither killed a native nor held back people of color. Time to just move on. Boom from here on forward we're all human.



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Xombie wrote on Sun, 04 March 2018 12:50

Babaganoosh wrote on Sat, 03 March 2018 14:16

Does anyone else find the effort to get Willie O'ree the Hall of Fame going on kinda stupid. The guy played 45 NHL games and had 14 points. How does that qualify?

Then I hear all this stuff about how he was Hockeys Jackie Robinson and I find it blasphemous. Hockey never had a color barrier. There was no gentlemans agreements among owners to keep blacks out of hockey like there was with baseball. He didn't deal with the the rampant racism of the southern US at the time. Jackie Robinson was a hero. He tore down so many racial barriers in his life and took intolerable abuse. He did it with pride too and didn't sink to the level of his abusers. He was also one of the best ever to play the game which helped his cause.

Willie Oree just happened to be the first black guy good enough to be in the NHL. It took till the 70s until that happened again. After Jackie Robinson a flood of black players that were held out unfairly appeared.

I mean does Jordan Tootoo yet the Hall nod because he is the first inuit? I doubt it.

I know Baba doesn't need any back up on the internet. But I agree with him. There has to be a point where society moves past the need to point out the color of people who accomplish things, even if it was in the past. Pointing out that somebody was black is only further building the wall between us and Dr. King's dream. Where the color of a man's skin has no more relevance than the color of his eyes.
Ok well let's stop pointing out the fact a black or gay or Asian guy achieved something if the color of their skin or sexual preference doesn't matter, just stop constantly pointing it out. All it does today is breed resentment and make Caucasian people feel blamed. Well my daddy never owned a slave and his daddy and his dad's dad before him neither killed a native nor held back people of color. Time to just move on. Boom from here on forward we're all human.


I think that's the problem with people who have an issue about this. Making it about you, saying this like your dad and his past generations didn't own a slave so why do I have to witness the first black player in the NHL being inducted into the Hall of Fame. I think it's wrong to think his induction will slow progress on acceptance of everyone's skin color. I really didn't even know about this, the first time I heard about it was when Baba complained.

Aaaand I just read Googled it and there's just a PUSH to have him inducted. So I'm not even sure how this is even an issue. For anyone.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 08:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Just find it hard to feel bad for a team with the 3rd most PP's in the league this year.

Every time I watch them they seem to get loads of game management calls in their favour to help them try to climb out of a hole.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 12:47

Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 08:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Just find it hard to feel bad for a team with the 3rd most PP's in the league this year.

Every time I watch them they seem to get loads of game management calls in their favour to help them try to climb out of a hole.


Oh I don't feel bad for them one bit. More a comment on the officiating. Hope they get 20 undeserved penalties next game.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 09:49

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 12:47

Mike wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 08:04

Always happy to see Flames misery, but that was a bush league call against Gaudreau last night. He took a stick to the throat and got called for embellishment. It's not like he flopped down on the ice or anything. Then they tossed him because he argued. Again, happy to see it because it's the Flames, but that was some BS if you're a Flames fan.


Just find it hard to feel bad for a team with the 3rd most PP's in the league this year.

Every time I watch them they seem to get loads of game management calls in their favour to help them try to climb out of a hole.


Oh I don't feel bad for them one bit. More a comment on the officiating. Hope they get 20 undeserved penalties next game.


hehe, yeah, NHL refs are seriously bottom of the barrel on this earth.

I have a feeling things will just keep going favorably for the flames overall tough. I would guess old Burke is complaining constantly for his team behind the scenes.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 10:53

I would guess old Burke is complaining constantly for his team behind the scenes.


Biggest difference between Flames mgmt and Oilers mgmt. Burke hasn't just done it behind the scenes. Heck, even coaches. GG has stepped up for his team, TMac has not. Sutter used to often. Who was the last Oilers coach who actually stood up for his team in the media? ... on a consistent basis?

Heck, after the Kesler pad hold last year, McLellan's response was "ask someone else". (Okay, he said "I don't know what interference is anymore, so you'll have to ask someone else") but it's that kind of backhanded remark that doesn't show leadership to his group. I'm not saying I want to see McLellan spitting into a microphone post-game, but show SOME emotion.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2018 10:53

I would guess old Burke is complaining constantly for his team behind the scenes.


Biggest difference between Flames mgmt and Oilers mgmt. Burke hasn't just done it behind the scenes. Heck, even coaches. GG has stepped up for his team, TMac has not. Sutter used to often. Who was the last Oilers coach who actually stood up for his team in the media? ... on a consistent basis?

Heck, after the Kesler pad hold last year, McLellan's response was "ask someone else". (Okay, he said "I don't know what interference is anymore, so you'll have to ask someone else") but it's that kind of backhanded remark that doesn't show leadership to his group. I'm not saying I want to see McLellan spitting into a microphone post-game, but show SOME emotion.


Not just emotion, but gamesmanship. You're not really fuming to effect what's already happened. If you got screwed by a call, you're not getting it back. But you have to be planting seeds to make sure you get the future call when something similar happens. Carlyle, who I don't think is much of a coach, played the game properly last spring. He was speaking directly to the referees when he said to the media that Connor McDavid gets a lot of calls he shouldn't...It was total bull, but McDavid had guys hanging off him the entire series with the Ducks and got something like one call against. It was a joke how well it worked for Carlyle, but refs can be manipulated.

Sitting back and saying nothing while we get no calls and every review goes against us? That's just a terrible strategy. Not only does is show no leadership or willingness to defend your team, it also doesn't have any impact on getting us the calls going forward. And honestly, when he won't even say anything to defend and back up his players when someone like Talbot DOES go off and gets fined himself? It's no wonder he lost the room in San Jose, and it's no wonder he looks to have lost it here. It's cowardly AND stupid.



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They started their season ticket deposit drive in Seattle today, needless to say, there will be NHL in Seattle in 2020.

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Gaudreau won’t get the benefit of the doubt due to his past history of embellishing so unfortunately that’s what’s going to happen sometimes. Me personally I have no sympathy for a couple of reasons, living in Calgary all I hear is how McDavid is the whiner and the most he’s done is tell the refs to go upstairs to check his shootout goal which was amazingly awesome. Second I watch a lot of Flames games and Gaudreau gets less abuse than McDavid but seems to draw more penalties. I wish I could back that up with actual numbers but visually I see using my Mac T spectacles that were given away in every K Lowe’s Corn Flakes Box is that McDavid’s lack of falling and flinching is causing no calls. Maybe someone who is not visually impaired like I am can back it up with actual numbers.


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