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This team is hot and cold, but mostly cold.


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At least the game is done early enough as to not ruin everyone's Friday night! Just trying to find the positives here. Wave Towel

What a complete lack of effort. Thought maybe, just maybe they'd come out firing on all cylinders in the third but there is no extra gear. This game there was barely a first gear, just sat there idling in neutral.



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Another in a line of underwhelming performances by the Edmonton Oilers. Good grief.

Not that it necessarily does any good, but have these guys had a players only meeting yet? The Oilers are riddled with issues, and a portion of it is on the players themselves. Regardless of what the GM did since his arrival here, it's on the players to play the game, to bear down and make the other team beat them....not beat themselves by no-showing for most of the game. Maybe the group isn't ready to admit that not coming to play is a problem? confused2

1/4 of the way through the season and they've put together consecutive wins once, if I'm not mistaken. Pitiful. I didn't think going into the season that being outworked would cost the Oilers several hockey games, but it's clearly the case.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:55

Another in a line of underwhelming performances by the Edmonton Oilers. Good grief.

Not that it necessarily does any good, but have these guys had a players only meeting yet? The Oilers are riddled with issues, and a portion of it is on the players themselves. Regardless of what the GM did since his arrival here, it's on the players to play the game, to bear down and make the other team beat them....not beat themselves by no-showing for most of the game. Maybe the group isn't ready to admit that not coming to play is a problem? confused2

1/4 of the way through the season and they've put together consecutive wins once, if I'm not mistaken. Pitiful. I didn't think going into the season that being outworked would cost the Oilers several hockey games, but it's clearly the case.


And they weren't even that good in their lone "winning streak" of the season. Both games were a struggle and we were saved with OT magic.

Don't think this team has put 2 solid efforts in a row all year.



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Much of this team's struggles are on the team Chia put together.

But the regularity with which they just aren't ready to play - that's on coaching, as is the refusal to try anything but Letestu on the PP.

Fire everyone.



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vsove wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:56

Much of this team's struggles are on the team Chia put together.

But the regularity with which they just aren't ready to play - that's on coaching, as is the refusal to try anything but Letestu on the PP.

Fire everyone.


I think the coach has to be standing on some pretty thin ice, but holy crap these players have to have some accountability too. Not being ready is as much on the players as the coach, but the coach will pay the price.

Letestu on the PP, and the McBlender. Both are mystifying. These guys must get confused sometimes who they're playing with.





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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:05

vsove wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:56

Much of this team's struggles are on the team Chia put together.

But the regularity with which they just aren't ready to play - that's on coaching, as is the refusal to try anything but Letestu on the PP.

Fire everyone.


I think the coach has to be standing on some pretty thin ice, but holy crap these players have to have some accountability too. Not being ready is as much on the players as the coach, but the coach will pay the price.

Letestu on the PP, and the McBlender. Both are mystifying. These guys must get confused sometimes who they're playing with.





I don't think it's the coach. I agree with button. This team is built wrong. It has gone the complete opposite direction from the fast but tiny team we had before. Some slow players simply have to be moved. Can't blame the driver for losing every race if he is racing in F1 but driving a KIA...even if it is a pretty KIA.



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It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


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HamBlaster wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 22:02

Done with this season. Not subjecting myself to more tension headaches.




The coach ought to go, and I agree what somewhat said above that the players may be turning on him a bit anyway, which just makes the whole 'winning thing' all that much harder.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 18:59

It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


He's a details coach, not a motivation coach. See his tenure with the Sharks. And the Oilers are sorely lacking in motivation.

Wonder if Ralph Krueger is getting tired of soccer? (probably not, just throwing it out there)

Darryl would be fun for a season or two, sounds like he's evolved a bit in recent times too.

This may not even be a coaching issue, we lost out veteran Drill Sgt when Hendricks walked. Right now I doubt the dressing room has anyone to keep people accountable. Chia should go out and find one or two.

[Updated on: Fri, 24 November 2017 20:08]


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nullterm wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:06

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 18:59

It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


He's a details coach, not a motivation coach. See his tenure with the Sharks. And the Oilers are sorely lacking in motivation.

Wonder if Ralph Krueger is getting tired of soccer? (probably not, just throwing it out there)

Darryl would be fun for a season or two, sounds like he's evolved a bit in recent times too.

This may not even be a coaching issue, we lost out veteran Drill Sgt when Hendricks walked. Right now I doubt the dressing room has anyone to keep people accountable. Chia should go out and find one or two.


Pretty sad if a 4th liner is the missing link to keep the team work ethic up. Speaks volumes about the rest of the squad if that's the case.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:12

nullterm wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:06

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 18:59

It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


He's a details coach, not a motivation coach. See his tenure with the Sharks. And the Oilers are sorely lacking in motivation.

Wonder if Ralph Krueger is getting tired of soccer? (probably not, just throwing it out there)

Darryl would be fun for a season or two, sounds like he's evolved a bit in recent times too.

This may not even be a coaching issue, we lost out veteran Drill Sgt when Hendricks walked. Right now I doubt the dressing room has anyone to keep people accountable. Chia should go out and find one or two.


Pretty sad if a 4th liner is the missing link to keep the team work ethic up. Speaks volumes about the rest of the squad if that's the case.



Doesn't matter what line he plays on, as long as he's a player and in the dressing room keeping people motivated and accountable. Not all leaders score goals, but they still lead. You can't just assign jersey letters based on stats.



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nullterm wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:26

K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:12

nullterm wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:06

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 18:59

It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


He's a details coach, not a motivation coach. See his tenure with the Sharks. And the Oilers are sorely lacking in motivation.

Wonder if Ralph Krueger is getting tired of soccer? (probably not, just throwing it out there)

Darryl would be fun for a season or two, sounds like he's evolved a bit in recent times too.

This may not even be a coaching issue, we lost out veteran Drill Sgt when Hendricks walked. Right now I doubt the dressing room has anyone to keep people accountable. Chia should go out and find one or two.


Pretty sad if a 4th liner is the missing link to keep the team work ethic up. Speaks volumes about the rest of the squad if that's the case.



Doesn't matter what line he plays on, as long as he's a player and in the dressing room keeping people motivated and accountable. Not all leaders score goals, but they still lead. You can't just assign jersey letters based on stats.


Excuse me. Pretty sad if ANY one player (including a former 4th liner/13th forward) is the missing link to keep the team work ethic up.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:34

nullterm wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:26

K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:12

nullterm wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:06

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 18:59

It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


He's a details coach, not a motivation coach. See his tenure with the Sharks. And the Oilers are sorely lacking in motivation.

Wonder if Ralph Krueger is getting tired of soccer? (probably not, just throwing it out there)

Darryl would be fun for a season or two, sounds like he's evolved a bit in recent times too.

This may not even be a coaching issue, we lost out veteran Drill Sgt when Hendricks walked. Right now I doubt the dressing room has anyone to keep people accountable. Chia should go out and find one or two.


Pretty sad if a 4th liner is the missing link to keep the team work ethic up. Speaks volumes about the rest of the squad if that's the case.



Doesn't matter what line he plays on, as long as he's a player and in the dressing room keeping people motivated and accountable. Not all leaders score goals, but they still lead. You can't just assign jersey letters based on stats.


Excuse me. Pretty sad if ANY one player (including a former 4th liner/13th forward) is the missing link to keep the team work ethic up.




Even if Hendricks was a plug, if he kept the room accountable its worth more than this abomination we have now. A lot of young guys and nothing to stir the drink. They've had worse teams talent-wise in the past and showed way more compete level. Tons of talent and no one to keep the kids accountable or be the buffer between the coaches and players. No players only meetings that I've heard of yet to get the groups collective heads out of their butts. I think TMac is beyond what he can do now. Has he ever had a very young team or has it just mainly been vet laden like the Sharks? He needs to go and regardless, his assistants are not effective at the special teams. With improved PP and PK I don't see half as many losses as they have. Could just be a gut feeling though.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 19:59

It is starting to look more and more to me like TMac has lost the dressing room and that the players are tuning him out. If this is the case, then unfortunately, he needs to go- he's a good coach, but there is only so much he can do if the players are no longer willing to buy into his plan. The team needs a real taskmaster coach at this point because they aren't being nearly consistent enough with their effort on the ice. I refuse to believe that missing just 1 d-man from their roster caused this entire downslide from Game 2 onwards. Seriously, I hope Chia has been reaching out to Darryl to see how he feels about taking the reins.


Just did not see effort by the players as being a potential threat going into this season, however, by eye we've seen it several times this year. I don't know if there's anything to be lost at this point by changing the guys behind the bench, pretty sad as TM like you say is a good coach, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's let go that he resurfaces as a head coach before the year is out.



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edit: nvm, I misread the game times. Whew, Sunday Boston game is at 5pm. We have a chance. Not afternoon + recent embarrassment can sometimes = decent effort.

[Updated on: Fri, 24 November 2017 20:30]


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It's November 24th and I'm done following this team.

I just can't care anymore. They clearly don't, so why should I?



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It’s grim.

Goaltending is a question mark again. Watching Lucic trying to get around out there is killing me. Thinking about his contract kills me a bit more.

This team rarely shows up to play. They chase the game almost every night. This team is really bad.

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g2k wrote on Fri, 24 November 2017 20:53

It’s grim.

Goaltending is a question mark again. Watching Lucic trying to get around out there is killing me. Thinking about his contract kills me a bit more.

This team rarely shows up to play. They chase the game almost every night. This team is really bad.

16/17 was a facade.



Yep.

They are consistently inconsistent.

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On the bright side. I keep watching the Las Vegas Golden Knights and thats a blue collar team that works hard every game and never seems to give up. Aren't deep with talent but if the Oilers had their hearts they would be in first place in this league. Pathetic. Where is Orval Tessier with the heart transplants?


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halfafrog wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 09:18

On the bright side. I keep watching the Las Vegas Golden Knights and thats a blue collar team that works hard every game and never seems to give up. Aren't deep with talent but if the Oilers had their hearts they would be in first place in this league. Pathetic. Where is Orval Tessier with the heart transplants?


Vegas is really starting to make me feel like 80% of hockey now is the game plan and effort level. The last 20% separates the good teams from the great. As long as you have a little bit of talent on your team, if you have the game plan (that makes best use of what you have) and effort down, you can be a good team. Not sure we have any of the above working for us at the moment aside from the shot of high end talent at the top end of the team. In Bettman's parity league though, every year, the ability to make best use of what you're given is going to make more and more of a difference for what orders the middle group of 20-25 teams.

McLellan is still just waiting for the top end talent (that he can take a hands off approach coaching) of his team to tip the balance for him every night while everyone else on the roster is just aimless just hoping to not get scored on. The situation he could still have success with using his veteran all-star team in SJ (until he finally tanked the locker room and burned every bridge he had with the players). Not gonna happen, he's lucky it did last year.

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This is exactly it. T-Mac's inability or lack of desire to adjust his coaching style is what I think is killing the team. He and his assistants need to change the way the Oilers attack. We give up the puck, then have to fight for it and over and over, we lose that fight. I don't believe it's because our players are too slow, or they don't have the drive to get there first, but when you only play the game with one attack plan it's that much easier to defend, and other coaches adjust to it.
puck carrier dumps the puck in to the corner on his own side and chases the puck, the D on the puck carrier side steps in front and slows him down. The winger on the other side is supposed to head for the net, but the other defender is already too far back into their zone and retrieved the puck already.
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Pulju’s ice time has been declining, and practice lines today from stauffer have pulju out of the top 12. Ugh, this team.


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Cammalleri is now trying out C with McDavid on the RW.

Coach is officially out of ideas.

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smyth260 wrote on Sat, 25 November 2017 12:04

Cammalleri is now trying out C with McDavid on the RW.

Coach is officially out of ideas.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NHLbyMatty/status/934474493745029 120


http://media.giphy.com/media/YZlQaMesgPIAM/giphy.gif

Solution to every problem for TMac is punishing the youngest talent and shuffling the players around it seems.



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