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 Re: Review: Detroit @ Edmonton (Game #13) [message #701844 is a reply to message #701840 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:00

Did the boys go on a 2 day bender after their win over the Devils and with a 2 pm game they hadn't quite slept it off yet? Even McDavid and Leon were bad.


I feel like poor preparation is a problem for this team again. How many games this year as the team looked ready to play from the puck drop? 2?

I seriously feel like I'm reliving the days of Eakins. Obsession with volume shooting (except on the PP for some odd reason), poor preparation, disaster special teams, coach loves talking about what everyone is doing wrong and specific players in the media.


Hey, he did make a point of saying he was singling out the line, not the individual player last night...

I think he believes that he shows off how smart he is by breaking down mistakes in the post-game scrum. And the media love it and encourage it, so he does it again and again night after night.

Just a terrible practice though, and it sure doesn't look like he has the team playing for him and responding well to his incessant scolding. I would bet that it's just as embarrassing for the player when you don't say his name, but talk about the mistake he made in a level of detail that makes it crystal clear to everyone who you're talking about.

Less is more, and he should be the shield between the media and fans and the player. He doesn't seem to ever do that. Just constantly throwing the players under the bus.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 23:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 00:16

I'd give Kassian 1st line minutes, has the 3 "S"'s, Speed, Size, and Skill to play with McD. Drop down either Maroon or Draisatl to the 2nd line. Lucic working his way to the 3rd line.

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(Lucic/Cagguila) RNH Maroon

Or

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And the rest of the parts, assemble as required...

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Not sure I agree that Kassian has the skill for a first line player. I think he can be okay in short stints there to cover, but he's got 1 measly assist in 13 games this year. I don't think he's gifted offensively.



I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:06

Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 23:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 00:16

I'd give Kassian 1st line minutes, has the 3 "S"'s, Speed, Size, and Skill to play with McD. Drop down either Maroon or Draisatl to the 2nd line. Lucic working his way to the 3rd line.

Kassian McDavid Draisatl

(Lucic/Cagguila) RNH Maroon

Or

Kassian McDavid Maroon

RNH Draisatl Cagguila

And the rest of the parts, assemble as required...

Lucic Letestu Slepychev

Pakirenen Khaira Strome




Not sure I agree that Kassian has the skill for a first line player. I think he can be okay in short stints there to cover, but he's got 1 measly assist in 13 games this year. I don't think he's gifted offensively.



I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I don't think Maroon is the problem. He has been producing reasonably well, especially compared to any one on lines 2-4.

Given the options I would not mind seeing Kassian up there on the RW, move Drai to the second line. The team NEEDS to get some more goals and perhaps Drai could drive that line. The PPG for McD and Drai may drop a bit but maybe the uptick in secondary scoring could be found to balance that out.

As an added bonus the "stop line 1 we beat the Oilers" strategy wouldn't be as viable.



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 Re: Review: Detroit @ Edmonton (Game #13) [message #701860 is a reply to message #701854 ]
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I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I disagree on the Maroon/Kassian comparison. Maroon scored 27 goals last year, Kassian's career high in points is 29, and that came playing with the Sedins. He's got decent speed, but he lacks finish. Only cracked double digits in goals twice in his entire career. He had a pretty good season last year, his second best ever, and it saw him post 7-17-24.

I think he's better than his current numbers indicate, but I don't see him ever being a first line player in the NHL.



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 Re: Review: Detroit @ Edmonton (Game #13) [message #701871 is a reply to message #701860 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:06


I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I disagree on the Maroon/Kassian comparison. Maroon scored 27 goals last year, Kassian's career high in points is 29, and that came playing with the Sedins. He's got decent speed, but he lacks finish. Only cracked double digits in goals twice in his entire career. He had a pretty good season last year, his second best ever, and it saw him post 7-17-24.

I think he's better than his current numbers indicate, but I don't see him ever being a first line player in the NHL.


Kassian has the wheels, no doubt, but yeah, there's little evidence of him as either a playmaker or a finisher, although he does create opportunities to do both. We've seen it in Edmonton where he creates great opportunties for himself that just don't cash in enough. Unfortunately it takes linemates who can finish to be a playmaker. The big ability Maroon showed last year was a sense of his skills and how best to use them to the best effect alongside McDavid.

At this point though, is there anything to be lost by moving Maroon off the 1st line and someone else on LW there? That's how Maroon got there last year, and I don't think anyone had him penciled in on McDavid's wing at the beginning of last season. He got his chance, checked Looch's boxes off when he did...and stole the job. Maybe Kassian can do that, who knows?

It's reflective on the wingers here and reflective on the braintrust that this conversation is being had.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 12:44


Kassian has the wheels, no doubt, but yeah, there's little evidence of him as either a playmaker or a finisher, although he does create opportunities to do both. We've seen it in Edmonton where he creates great opportunties for himself that just don't cash in enough. Unfortunately it takes linemates who can finish to be a playmaker. The big ability Maroon showed last year was a sense of his skills and how best to use them to the best effect alongside McDavid.

At this point though, is there anything to be lost by moving Maroon off the 1st line and someone else on LW there? That's how Maroon got there last year, and I don't think anyone had him penciled in on McDavid's wing at the beginning of last season. He got his chance, checked Looch's boxes off when he did...and stole the job. Maybe Kassian can do that, who knows?

It's reflective on the wingers here and reflective on the braintrust that this conversation is being had.


I don't think anything is off the table to try...we don't have enough top six wingers anyhow, so some guy who should be bottom six is bound to be played up the roster.

I think you'd move him in to Draisaitl's spot and try Drai with Nuge on line 2. Kassian is a right shot, and Maroon's still producing this year. He had a seven game point scoring streak snapped last night.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 10:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:06


I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I disagree on the Maroon/Kassian comparison. Maroon scored 27 goals last year, Kassian's career high in points is 29, and that came playing with the Sedins. He's got decent speed, but he lacks finish. Only cracked double digits in goals twice in his entire career. He had a pretty good season last year, his second best ever, and it saw him post 7-17-24.

I think he's better than his current numbers indicate, but I don't see him ever being a first line player in the NHL.


I disagree, he hasn't played an entire year with the best player in the league, nor received 1st team PP time, nor anywhere close to the ice time Maroon has received, and back when he was playing withe the Sedins, he was a rookie, and likely dealing with some alcohol issues. He might not be a 1st line player in the NHL, but he could be a 1st line player on this current collection of Oilers.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:06

Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 23:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 00:16

I'd give Kassian 1st line minutes, has the 3 "S"'s, Speed, Size, and Skill to play with McD. Drop down either Maroon or Draisatl to the 2nd line. Lucic working his way to the 3rd line.

Kassian McDavid Draisatl

(Lucic/Cagguila) RNH Maroon

Or

Kassian McDavid Maroon

RNH Draisatl Cagguila

And the rest of the parts, assemble as required...

Lucic Letestu Slepychev

Pakirenen Khaira Strome




Not sure I agree that Kassian has the skill for a first line player. I think he can be okay in short stints there to cover, but he's got 1 measly assist in 13 games this year. I don't think he's gifted offensively.



I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I have found Kassian pretty painful to watch this year. Guy is over handling the puck like crazy. And he is constantly confusing himself, not able to decide what to do. And when he finally makes a play, it's something that the opposition covered a second earlier in anticipation.

I do like his effort level, but not seeing a guy that is gonna do that much offensively in the end.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:06

Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 23:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 00:16

I'd give Kassian 1st line minutes, has the 3 "S"'s, Speed, Size, and Skill to play with McD. Drop down either Maroon or Draisatl to the 2nd line. Lucic working his way to the 3rd line.

Kassian McDavid Draisatl

(Lucic/Cagguila) RNH Maroon

Or

Kassian McDavid Maroon

RNH Draisatl Cagguila

And the rest of the parts, assemble as required...

Lucic Letestu Slepychev

Pakirenen Khaira Strome




Not sure I agree that Kassian has the skill for a first line player. I think he can be okay in short stints there to cover, but he's got 1 measly assist in 13 games this year. I don't think he's gifted offensively.



I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I have found Kassian pretty painful to watch this year. Guy is over handling the puck like crazy. And he is constantly confusing himself, not able to decide what to do. And when he finally makes a play, it's something that the opposition covered a second earlier in anticipation.

I do like his effort level, but not seeing a guy that is gonna do that much offensively in the end.

I have found most of the Oilers painful to watch this season. It's like an entire team funk. To win most games, your goalie needs to be better than the other guy. There hasn't been very many games where Talbot was the better goalie. The whole defense core except Nurse has times when they struggled. Klefbom looks this is is rookie year. The majority of the forwards including McDavid have looked sluggish.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:06

Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 23:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 00:16

I'd give Kassian 1st line minutes, has the 3 "S"'s, Speed, Size, and Skill to play with McD. Drop down either Maroon or Draisatl to the 2nd line. Lucic working his way to the 3rd line.

Kassian McDavid Draisatl

(Lucic/Cagguila) RNH Maroon

Or

Kassian McDavid Maroon

RNH Draisatl Cagguila

And the rest of the parts, assemble as required...

Lucic Letestu Slepychev

Pakirenen Khaira Strome




Not sure I agree that Kassian has the skill for a first line player. I think he can be okay in short stints there to cover, but he's got 1 measly assist in 13 games this year. I don't think he's gifted offensively.



I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.



I have found Kassian pretty painful to watch this year. Guy is over handling the puck like crazy. And he is constantly confusing himself, not able to decide what to do. And when he finally makes a play, it's something that the opposition covered a second earlier in anticipation.

I do like his effort level, but not seeing a guy that is gonna do that much offensively in the end.


He gives himself opportunities to make plays and to finish. The overhandling part and not making plays might have something to do with quality of linemates & their ability to be where they need to be for a scoring chance. The finishing part probably defies the odds. I think there's not much to be lost at this point in an experiment to give him a look.



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One thing that I hope comes out of our terrible play is splitting up Leon and Mcdavid on 2 separate lines. We need to have them on separate lines and be driving factors for those lines.

Also maybe getting a better GM and coach but that will be too much to ask.



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Yes, split them up and give the team a bit more offensive depth making them harder to contain. Drai is a very good play maker in his own right. Playing with either one, Kassian would get more chances to score because he doesn't mind going to the net.


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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 11:06

Adam wrote on Sun, 05 November 2017 23:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 00:16

I'd give Kassian 1st line minutes, has the 3 "S"'s, Speed, Size, and Skill to play with McD. Drop down either Maroon or Draisatl to the 2nd line. Lucic working his way to the 3rd line.

Kassian McDavid Draisatl

(Lucic/Cagguila) RNH Maroon

Or

Kassian McDavid Maroon

RNH Draisatl Cagguila

And the rest of the parts, assemble as required...

Lucic Letestu Slepychev

Pakirenen Khaira Strome




Not sure I agree that Kassian has the skill for a first line player. I think he can be okay in short stints there to cover, but he's got 1 measly assist in 13 games this year. I don't think he's gifted offensively.



I'd say he's as at least as gifted offensively as Maroon, but he's also one of the fastest in the lineup. Kassian has some good hands, he could score in the OHL, might be one of the few Oilers that can keep up to McD for some 2 on 1's, it would be worth a try, could also drop LD down to the #2 line. The lines have been stale since the season started, poor production, especially McD's line, he should be lighting it up,, but its usually him going 1 on 2 or 3, with LD and Maroon trying to catch up.


It’s unfortunate that Kassian has such a muffin. Yes he has good hands for a big man, but that’s mostly his stick handling and work in tight quarters that at times results in glorious scoring opportunities that end up looking like a warm up shot on his own goaltender. The type where you flick it at the net on your off foot. It’s enraging.

I really hope he works on it. And if he already is, I hope he works much harder.



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Cool stat,

We had to kill 11 penalties in the 5 game home stand. We allowed 6 PP goals against, technically 7 because one last night was just as a PP expired.

So, we pretty much had a 36% PK rate over those 5 games. icon_thumbsup



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 November 2017 19:51

Cool stat,

We had to kill 11 penalties in the 5 game home stand. We allowed 6 PP goals against, technically 7 because one last night was just as a PP expired.

So, we pretty much had a 36% PK rate over those 5 games. icon_thumbsup


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This is a good summation: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/good-bad-ugly-oilers-star t-season/


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