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 Re: Review: Ottawa @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #700089 is a reply to message #700083 ]
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This feels like 2006/07 - 2015/16 all over again.


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At least we got one year break from the Decade of Darkness.


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 Re: Review: Ottawa @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #700104 is a reply to message #700083 ]
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@TSNRyanRishaug:

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Yamamoto with 6 shots on net through 2 periods, leads all skaters


They're going to keep him past 9 games aren't they?



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 Re: Review: Ottawa @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #700107 is a reply to message #700104 ]
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Goose wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:33

@TSNRyanRishaug:

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Yamamoto with 6 shots on net through 2 periods, leads all skaters


They're going to keep him past 9 games aren't they?


Since he is by far our best natural RW...it's not looking pretty.

lol, side note, Jagr is looking like he's gonna be one of Calgary's best CF% players for 2 games in a row. What I would give right now for another forward that actually looked like he knows what to do with a puck in the offensive zone and can actually hold onto the puck for more than half a second.

[Updated on: Sat, 14 October 2017 22:39]


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 Re: Review: Ottawa @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #700168 is a reply to message #700107 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:35

Goose wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:33

@TSNRyanRishaug:

Quote:

Yamamoto with 6 shots on net through 2 periods, leads all skaters


They're going to keep him past 9 games aren't they?


Since he is by far our best natural RW...it's not looking pretty.

lol, side note, Jagr is looking like he's gonna be one of Calgary's best CF% players for 2 games in a row. What I would give right now for another forward that actually looked like he knows what to do with a puck in the offensive zone and can actually hold onto the puck for more than half a second.



Yes they probably will and posters here will just follow our leaders drinking the Koolaid and saying they know best.

Why would you want depth, lets just gift players positions since Oilers are known for that.

We don't want competition between spots but hey Chia knows best. Also how many posters here said Jagr wouldn't come west.... ya you know best..... argue



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McDavid97 wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 08:09

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:35

Goose wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:33

@TSNRyanRishaug:

Quote:

Yamamoto with 6 shots on net through 2 periods, leads all skaters


They're going to keep him past 9 games aren't they?


Since he is by far our best natural RW...it's not looking pretty.

lol, side note, Jagr is looking like he's gonna be one of Calgary's best CF% players for 2 games in a row. What I would give right now for another forward that actually looked like he knows what to do with a puck in the offensive zone and can actually hold onto the puck for more than half a second.



Yes they probably will and posters here will just follow our leaders drinking the Koolaid and saying they know best.

Why would you want depth, lets just gift players positions since Oilers are known for that.

We don't want competition between spots but hey Chia knows best. Also how many posters here said Jagr wouldn't come west.... ya you know best..... argue


He wont come West, he wouldnt play on the third line (he is), he would have an attitude, our winger depth is just fine.
Every excuse seems to be trotted out why we didnt sign any useful players this offseason.

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Goose wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:33

@TSNRyanRishaug:

Quote:

Yamamoto with 6 shots on net through 2 periods, leads all skaters


They're going to keep him past 9 games aren't they?


That would be so Oilers.

If Drai is out for an extended time, 100% they keep Yamamoto with the team. History tells us he'll be here for a couple months.



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OilMJMOil wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:36

Goose wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:33

@TSNRyanRishaug:

Quote:

Yamamoto with 6 shots on net through 2 periods, leads all skaters


They're going to keep him past 9 games aren't they?


That would be so Oilers.

If Drai is out for an extended time, 100% they keep Yamamoto with the team. History tells us he'll be here for a couple months.


43 games. Have to make sure that we're losing a year every way possible.

The good news is that he won't be playing for the Americans at the World Juniors.




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Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.



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vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.



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vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...



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cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:57

cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?


Yeah, but we got Kale Kessy!



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Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:57

cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?


Yeah, but we got Kale Kessy!


That's all Tambo's fault though isn't it? I mean, it makes sense that he would have done that move completely solo a week before he was being fired with micromanager Lowe and SVP about to become GM MacT looking over his shoulder. Was 100% Tambo for sure.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:57

cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?


Yeah, but we got Kale Kessy!


That's all Tambo's fault though isn't it? I mean, it makes sense that he would have done that move completely solo a week before he was being fired with micromanager Lowe and SVP about to become GM MacT looking over his shoulder. Was 100% Tambo for sure.

Yup! Blame Tambo for everything. The is no wizard behind the curtain. Actually, there is no curtain. Stop looking around. Look at the new building and the new McSavior. Ooooooo shiny.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:57

cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?


Yeah, but we got Kale Kessy!


That's all Tambo's fault though isn't it? I mean, it makes sense that he would have done that move completely solo a week before he was being fired with micromanager Lowe and SVP about to become GM MacT looking over his shoulder. Was 100% Tambo for sure.


Last ditch effort to save his job by taking one last shot at picking up the elusive Lucic-like player? Kessy had gone from 24 points in his draft season to a whopping 43 points in his 20-year old WHL season (13 points less than Rieder in 8 more games...) so clearly he was poised to become the next feared power forward.







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Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 22:21

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:57

cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?


Yeah, but we got Kale Kessy!


That's all Tambo's fault though isn't it? I mean, it makes sense that he would have done that move completely solo a week before he was being fired with micromanager Lowe and SVP about to become GM MacT looking over his shoulder. Was 100% Tambo for sure.


Last ditch effort to save his job by taking one last shot at picking up the elusive Lucic-like player? Kessy had gone from 24 points in his draft season to a whopping 43 points in his 20-year old WHL season (13 points less than Rieder in 8 more games...) so clearly he was poised to become the next feared power forward.




Yeah, just a coincidence that MacT was talking about how they need to get a Lucic-like player on the day he was hired.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 22:38

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 22:21

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 21:50

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:57

cosmicheretic wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 15:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:23

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:48

vsove wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 21:45

Sure glad that we got rid of that locker room cancer Hall and that floater Eberle.

What possible need could we have for either of them.


secondary scoring?



I can't imagine why we would ever need Eberle's 30 goals.

We've got, uhh...

Uhh.

Hmm.

Strome!


Come don't you know Looch and Nuge are going to pick up the point difference?.....<crickets>...

Excellent point. With Lucic and Nugent-Hopkins (btw, can we talk about the hyphenated name yet? Is it still endearing) picking up the point difference we should start talking about who the Oilers will trade Strome down for.

Btw, how much would we like Tobias Rieder right now?


Yeah, but we got Kale Kessy!


That's all Tambo's fault though isn't it? I mean, it makes sense that he would have done that move completely solo a week before he was being fired with micromanager Lowe and SVP about to become GM MacT looking over his shoulder. Was 100% Tambo for sure.


Last ditch effort to save his job by taking one last shot at picking up the elusive Lucic-like player? Kessy had gone from 24 points in his draft season to a whopping 43 points in his 20-year old WHL season (13 points less than Rieder in 8 more games...) so clearly he was poised to become the next feared power forward.




Yeah, just a coincidence that MacT was talking about how they need to get a Lucic-like player on the day he was hired.


Surprising thing is the all-in-on-the-next-Lucic draft was the year before at Tambo's last kick at the can. Now, to be fair, MacTavish was already acting as Shadow GM by then - remember how we were told about how essential he was to wooing Justin Schultz?



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What happened to last year's playoff team?

With the exception of a few players, this crew looks like an AHL team.

Only bright spot for me was the play of Nurse, and Yamamoto. Yamamoto looks like he has a future in the NHL, regardless i hope he goes back to Spokane, he'll get worn out and injured eventually playing up in the NHL, needs some physical maturation.

Nurse starting to get his motor going, he needs a partner to compliment his offensive tendencies, not sure who that is, likely not Gryba.




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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:47

What happened to last year's playoff team?

With the exception of a few players, this crew looks like an AHL team.

Only bright spot for me was the play of Nurse, and Yamamoto. Yamamoto looks like he has a future in the NHL, regardless i hope he goes back to Spokane, he'll get worn out and injured eventually playing up in the NHL, needs some physical maturation.

Nurse starting to get his motor going, he needs a partner to compliment his offensive tendencies, not sure who that is, likely not Gryba.




Spot on.
I was hard on Nurse last week, I thought he looked lost for a few games. He was very good in this one. Likely the best Oiler.
McDavid was good but cant carry everyone on his slim shoulders. With Draisaitl on his line we are a one line team, with him hurt we are a one player offence.
Maroon looks like what he was pre trade to the Oilers, not good.
Yama was good, still needs to go to junior.
Every D man not named Nurse was brutal, including our "underpaid first pairing".
Lucic is not playing terribly, very physical, but not generating everything.
PP looks like a PeeWee team.
Letestu is back to what he was on the PP before last year.

Looks like the plan to add nothing, trade away scoring and hope the team is better simply on young players improving is getting better every minute
But of course it is only 5 games, not need to worry, everything going as planned /sarcasm



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What a terrible team.

Can't win a battle along the boards, can't cycle, can't make two passes in a row.



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I thought we had a McDavid or nothing PP since McLellan took over. Looks like I was wrong. We have a Letestu or nothing PP. Not current Letestu, the god mode one from last year. If Letestu isn't going, the PP is crap. Ignoring Larsson's goal of course :)


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:54

I thought we had a McDavid or nothing PP since McLellan took over. Looks like I was wrong. We have a Letestu or nothing PP. Not current Letestu, the god mode one from last year. If Letestu isn't going, the PP is crap. Ignoring Larsson's goal of course :)


Lucic had his best ever PP season last year. So did Letestu. By far. Letestu's 11 PPGs were more than double his best ever, and equaled his output for the previous four seasons combined.

Lucic's 12 goals were almost double his best previous total. His 25 points were 11 better than his next highest output. The guy had 8 PP points in both of his previous years, so year over year his man advantage production tripled.

I think that McLellan and Woodcroft assumed that that was because of their brilliance, but what if it was just a statistical anomaly? We've talked a lot about the career lows at even strength for a number of Oilers forwards, including Lucic, but what if those powerplay numbers are a one-off, and both players return closer to their average? I think McDavid makes it likely that the powerplay works somewhat this season, but there's less high end forwards waiting for a chance from the second unit.

What's alarming is that what we've heard again and again is that in trading away high end offensive talent, the Oilers have acquired players more capable of playing hockey the right way, and that we're going to be a more responsible team because of all of Chiarelli's moves. While there's been next to no depth scoring from the team, there sure hasn't been much in the last three games to suggest that there is a greater attention to detail, or that the team is defensively sound in any way.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:33

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 22:54

I thought we had a McDavid or nothing PP since McLellan took over. Looks like I was wrong. We have a Letestu or nothing PP. Not current Letestu, the god mode one from last year. If Letestu isn't going, the PP is crap. Ignoring Larsson's goal of course :)


Lucic had his best ever PP season last year. So did Letestu. By far. Letestu's 11 PPGs were more than double his best ever, and equaled his output for the previous four seasons combined.

Lucic's 12 goals were almost double his best previous total. His 25 points were 11 better than his next highest output. The guy had 8 PP points in both of his previous years, so year over year his man advantage production tripled.

I think that McLellan and Woodcroft assumed that that was because of their brilliance, but what if it was just a statistical anomaly? We've talked a lot about the career lows at even strength for a number of Oilers forwards, including Lucic, but what if those powerplay numbers are a one-off, and both players return closer to their average? I think McDavid makes it likely that the powerplay works somewhat this season, but there's less high end forwards waiting for a chance from the second unit.

What's alarming is that what we've heard again and again is that in trading away high end offensive talent, the Oilers have acquired players more capable of playing hockey the right way, and that we're going to be a more responsible team because of all of Chiarelli's moves. While there's been next to no depth scoring from the team, there sure hasn't been much in the last three games to suggest that there is a greater attention to detail, or that the team is defensively sound in any way.


Lucic's numbers make some sense. Getting to be the net front guy on a McDavid/Drai PP has it's benefits. Still think Maroon could do as good a job or better there though, he has better hands around the net. Lucic misses a lot of opportunities because he just hacks at everything.

Letestu though. Last season may have been a Fernando Pisani run for him. Honestly would be shocked if he could look that competent again on the left side. So far, I've barely noticed him around there at all.

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Just on this topic of the PP. Why exactly is Lucic on the 1st unit? McLellan has clearly lost hope in the Lucic/McDavid pairing at even strength, and rightfully so, Lucic doesn't think the game fast enough to be joining rushes with McDavid all night long and his hands around the net are pretty average. Maroon has a good history now of being able to read McDavid and get in the good areas for him, but so far this year it has been a struggle.

To me, the PP is a great time for your skill players to try to find some confidence and further build chemistry with teammates. Not having anything close to a functioning PP is what finally murdered the soul of our players under Eakins, and while McDavid was out in McLellan's first year, it was soul crushing as well running at a 30th place scoring rate. Will never get that, because he had basically all the same players Nelson had the season before still and couldn't do a single thing with them.

So, we decide it's a good idea to separate Maroon from McDavid for this time and banish him to the 2nd unit that really has very little hope because Woodcroft is not actually good at PP coaching. We break up our lines just to get Lucic on that 1st unit, so not only are you missing a chance for Maroon/McDavid to get going together, you are making guys on 2 different regular lines tired and messing up your deployment later. And you are stopping Lucic from getting a chance to play some better offensive time with the C he should be trying to get in sync with.

Just seems all kinda dumb to me. And I think we know the reason Lucic is on that 1st unit, and it doesn't really have anything to do with winning games. Maroon can easily do as good a job as him there, he did fine in 15/16 (almost 1 point/60 better on the PP in 15/16 than Lucic had in 16/17).

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 15 October 2017 08:44

Just on this topic of the PP. Why exactly is Lucic on the 1st unit? McLellan has clearly lost hope in the Lucic/McDavid pairing at even strength, and rightfully so, Lucic doesn't think the game fast enough to be joining rushes with McDavid all night long and his hands around the net are pretty average. Maroon has a good history now of being able to read McDavid and get in the good areas for him, but so far this year it has been a struggle.

To me, the PP is a great time for your skill players to try to find some confidence and further build chemistry with teammates. Not having anything close to a functioning PP is what finally murdered the soul of our players under Eakins, and while McDavid was out in McLellan's first year, it was soul crushing as well running at a 30th place scoring rate. Will never get that, because he had basically all the same players Nelson had the season before still and couldn't do a single thing with them.

So, we decide it's a good idea to separate Maroon from McDavid for this time and banish him to the 2nd unit that really has very little hope because Woodcroft is not actually good at PP coaching. We break up our lines just to get Lucic on that 1st unit, so not only are you missing a chance for Maroon/McDavid to get going together, you are making guys on 2 different regular lines tired and messing up your deployment later. And you are stopping Lucic from getting a chance to play some better offensive time with the C he should be trying to get in sync with.

Just seems all kinda dumb to me. And I think we know the reason Lucic is on that 1st unit, and it doesn't really have anything to do with winning games. Maroon can easily do as good a job as him there, he did fine in 15/16 (almost 1 point/60 better on the PP in 15/16 than Lucic had in 16/17).


One thing that hasn't died with the management shuffle in the Oilers organization is the need to try to demonstrate that they're smarter than everyone else, even if they're doing things contrary to what looks like it will be successful. Unfortunately, I think that drives certain behaviours, as they want to prove themselves smart.

One of those is Lucic on the first PP unit. I think we're seeing another with Russell chosen to anchor the second PP unit over Benning or Auvitu. It worked, to a point last year. Lucic had the best PP production of his life. Of course, playing with McDavid and Draisaitl, the guy in front of the net should be chipping in a pretty high number of points, but to his credit, he did get it done. That probably buys him a little latitude this year, but I would hope that a year in to the contract, the Oilers could possibly mix it up if it isn't successful. As you point out, Maroon on the first unit keeps the Oilers lines together, which means the transition after the PP is easier to manage and I think Maroon has better hands than Lucic anyhow.

As for the Woodcroft powerplay, I wonder what the effectiveness of the second unit has been over his time here. He's not had scrubs on that unit...and yet I don't think it's been very productive. Certainly supports your theory that they need superstar players playing top notch to make McLellan/Woodcroft look good.



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 Re: Review: Ottawa @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #700132 is a reply to message #700083 ]
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How much "patience" will PC have? we could finish the month of October with 1-9 record if this continues, got tough 6 games remaining in October against Carolina, Chicago, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Dallas and Washington. If that happens playoffs are done pretty much.

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mad90 wrote on Sat, 14 October 2017 23:35

How much "patience" will PC have? we could finish the month of October with 1-9 record if this continues, got tough 6 games remaining in October against Carolina, Chicago, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Dallas and Washington. If that happens playoffs are done pretty much.

Generally speaking, the bar is 30 regulation losses. A team can lose three games in a row and make the playoffs, but there are only so many games where the Oilers can fail to earn points. For what it's worth if the Oilers started 1-9 they'd need to go 41-21-10 the rest of the way to have a shot. I think we went through these scenarios when Dallas Eakins was coach.



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One thing that might make some happy

We are the #1 CF% team in the NHL 5v5 (246 for, 168 against, 59.42%). Almost 2% higher than the next closest team.

We are the #2 high danger chance % team in the NHL 5v5 (49 for, 30 against, 62.03%)

4th worst PDO in the NHL which is somewhat a measure of luck/bad luck.



At the very least, Dallas Eakins would think we deserved better so far :)

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Still too early to comment on anything I suppose?


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Mike wrote on Sun, 15 October 2017 07:17

Still too early to comment on anything I suppose?

Really. I've been sharing fears about this teams possible regression all summer. Honestly I didn't think it would be this bad.



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Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 07:41

Mike wrote on Sun, 15 October 2017 07:17

Still too early to comment on anything I suppose?

Really. I've been sharing fears about this teams possible regression all summer. Honestly I didn't think it would be this bad.


In all reality, I don't think it is actually this bad. I think the Oilers played well enough to get a better result against Vancouver, and maybe even Winnipeg. Definitely got what they deserved against Ottawa though, which is disappointing given the circumstances. That's one, if you're Ottawa, you look at as a "schedule loss", and the Oilers just didn't even show up.

Now having said that, this team definitely has holes that were easily identifiable in September. The forward group that practiced yesterday is not a group capable of contending for anything (from Stauffer's twitter yesterday):

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Maroon-McDavid-Yamamoto
Lucic-RNH-Strome
Khaira-Letestu-Kassian
Pakarinen-Jokinen-Slepyshev



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Goose wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 10:46

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 07:41

Mike wrote on Sun, 15 October 2017 07:17

Still too early to comment on anything I suppose?

Really. I've been sharing fears about this teams possible regression all summer. Honestly I didn't think it would be this bad.


In all reality, I don't think it is actually this bad. I think the Oilers played well enough to get a better result against Vancouver, and maybe even Winnipeg. Definitely got what they deserved against Ottawa though, which is disappointing given the circumstances. That's one, if you're Ottawa, you look at as a "schedule loss", and the Oilers just didn't even show up.

Now having said that, this team definitely has holes that were easily identifiable in September. The forward group that practiced yesterday is not a group capable of contending for anything (from Stauffer's twitter yesterday):

@Bob_Stauffer:
Maroon-McDavid-Yamamoto
Lucic-RNH-Strome
Khaira-Letestu-Kassian
Pakarinen-Jokinen-Slepyshev


I am not a fan of Yamamoto still being on the team. I think there is a player there but he's a couple years away. I get the injuries are playing a part and Yes he supposedly was decent this last game but I don't see what he is bringing to the team and I personally think he is dragging his line down because he's not ready. He's just not strong enough yet.

I am really disappointed in Khaira. He had such a good camp, he looked like he had finally figured out what he needed to do to be productive. The regular season comes and he goes back to being inconsistent and looking like a legit NHLer finally. I had hoped he'd be this years Pitlick. A guy who the Oilers drafted, spent years developing, was always a guy that couldn't quite figure out what he needed to do to stick, then it finally clicks.

For McDavid, I think he needs bigger guys on his line to go get pucks. When Leon is on the line, he has 2 bigger guys. Not having another bigger body on the line impacts Maroon. He's a go to the net, battle for space in that 10-12 feet from the line. With a guy like Yamo on the line who's a really small, not strong enough, not ready rookie, now Maroon is the in the corners guys so there is no one who can battle for space in front because Yamo gets pushed around.

I am not happy with how McLellan is handling the lines and especially with Strome. You trade Eberle for him. The return wasn't all about Strome but regardless he was the player coming back. You call him an offensive player with a good shot yet he's jerked around the lines. He's coming to a new team, new coach, new system so it will take him some time but jerking him around the lines sure doesn't help. I would put him on McDavid's line and keep him there for a stretch. How the hell do you develop chemistry with brand new players with no time? Give him a chance.



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Goose wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 10:46

Babaganoosh wrote on Mon, 16 October 2017 07:41

Mike wrote on Sun, 15 October 2017 07:17

Still too early to comment on anything I suppose?

Really. I've been sharing fears about this teams possible regression all summer. Honestly I didn't think it would be this bad.


In all reality, I don't think it is actually this bad. I think the Oilers played well enough to get a better result against Vancouver, and maybe even Winnipeg. Definitely got what they deserved against Ottawa though, which is disappointing given the circumstances. That's one, if you're Ottawa, you look at as a "schedule loss", and the Oilers just didn't even show up.

Now having said that, this team definitely has holes that were easily identifiable in September. The forward group that practiced yesterday is not a group capable of contending for anything (from Stauffer's twitter yesterday):

@Bob_Stauffer:
Maroon-McDavid-Yamamoto
Lucic-RNH-Strome
Khaira-Letestu-Kassian
Pakarinen-Jokinen-Slepyshev


I'd say other then the Calgary game , in which Calgary didn't show up and about 20 minutes of Vancouver it has been ugly. C.C.H. Pounder on the toilet ugly!!!



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With Talbot being pulled again I was ready to assume the difference was just goaltending but on watching the highlights, looked like bad bounces and holes in the defence were the main culprits. They had 10 more shots on goal than Ottawa according to TSN. Brilliant ( and lucky ) goaltending can make up for so much an make a team ( and coach ) look pretty good when they are really average. We got that last year, not this year so far, we have been out goaltended for the most part.( Or maybe it's just Karma for paying two players almost a third of the wages of the entire team.)


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that was an ugly game.

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bad bounces and holes in the defence


yes!

I mean, is Ottawa really that good?




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