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 Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622344]
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6zeppelin6  is currently offline 6zeppelin6
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To Oilers Fans Everywhere:

We all thought this was going to be the year the Oilers turned the corner. Obviously, that hasn’t happened, and it hurts. It’s frustrating – for all of us. For our fans, for our players and staff, and for everyone in our community who shares a common bond around a game, a team and a city that we love.

I know this will almost certainly be the eighth consecutive year since we made the playoffs. I hate that fact as much as anyone, but the reality is that this is only year four of the rebuild that started when we drafted Taylor Hall. The good news, if you can call it that, is that other teams that committed to fundamental rebuilds went through the same kind of droughts over the same kind of time frames, or longer. That doesn’t make it fun for anyone; it just means we have to stay the course.

Yes, we hoped and expected to be better this year – there’s no question about that. But we’ve also been more active than any team I can think of in rebuilding our organization from bottom to top by supporting player development in OKC and Bakersfield, revamping our scouting organization, naming a new GM and a new coach, signing free agents like Justin Schultz, Boyd Gordon, Andrew Ference, Anton Belov and Ilya Bryzgalov, and trading for players like David Perron, and now Ben Scrivens and Matt Hendricks. And we’re not done.

But I can also tell you that we are not going to sacrifice the future by doing something short-term. Those days are over and they’re not coming back. If we’re going to rebuild, we want to do it right and we only want to do it once.

I hear a lot from fans about accountability, so let’s be clear. We are all accountable. That includes me, Kevin, Craig, Dallas, every player who wears our jersey, and every member of our staff. I know Kevin is the target of a lot of personal attacks right now, and that’s really unfortunate. Kevin is a big part of our organization, and it’s not just the Oilers that value his knowledge and perspective. He is consistently chosen, year after year, to play a leadership role with Hockey Canada. But when it comes down to it, this is Craig MacTavish’s team. He is the GM. He makes the calls, and he is accountable for building a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup -- year in and year out for years to come.

That’s our vision. We are committed to it -- and we’re confident that we are on the right track.

Our fans have been incredibly patient and supportive. At the same time, we know there’s a lot of frustration and we are asking you to hang in there while we fight through this and put the next few pieces of the team in place.

I’ll tell you this, despite everything, we all wear our Oilers colours with the same pride now as we ever have, and as we will when we’re back on top. We hope you’ll do the same.

We value our fans, we hear you, and we appreciate your support.

Daryl Katz



http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=701436

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2014 13:07]


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622345 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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Shows he's listening? So yay!?


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622347 is a reply to message #622345 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:09

Shows he's listening? So yay!?


Better than nothing.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622351 is a reply to message #622345 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:09

Shows he's listening? So yay!?


At least they aren't saying they planned to be bad again?

Is that a moral victory there?



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622356 is a reply to message #622345 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:09

Shows he's listening? So yay!?


It does read like a defend Lowe letter. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe brought up the idea to put this out there. What I get from it though is Katz doesn't give a crap that anyone is angry at Lowe and that is that unless ticket sales start to fall and Lowe is pointed at my cancelling season ticket holders as a reason they're giving up.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622358 is a reply to message #622356 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:09

Shows he's listening? So yay!?


It does read like a defend Lowe letter. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe brought up the idea to put this out there. What I get from it though is Katz doesn't give a crap that anyone is angry at Lowe and that is that unless ticket sales start to fall and Lowe is pointed at my cancelling season ticket holders as a reason they're giving up.


Well, he had to do something. Lowe's basically been breaking every piece of furniture in the Oilers office since the pictures of the "FIRE LOWE" signs showed up in the newspaper.

If he hadn't written this, they might not have had a single chair to sit down in when storyboarding out the next season of Oil Change.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622361 is a reply to message #622356 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:09

Shows he's listening? So yay!?


It does read like a defend Lowe letter. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe brought up the idea to put this out there. What I get from it though is Katz doesn't give a crap that anyone is angry at Lowe and that is that unless ticket sales start to fall and Lowe is pointed at my cancelling season ticket holders as a reason they're giving up.


Katz is a good owner in that he has deep pockets and is willing to spend; he has deep roots in the community and won't move the team; and he more or less is hands-off and lets the people he hired run the team.

He's a bad owner in that there isn't much accountability and he seems content to have bought the team as a kind of trophy. He seems more content to own a hockey team as a vanity project that allows him to hire and be friends with all of his hockey heroes he had growing up, more than he cares about building a winning product.

He's not the worst owner in NHL history like was being debated. But I do wonder how much he cares about winning or if he is simply happy to own an NHL team he can show off like others show off a hunting trophy.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622364 is a reply to message #622361 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:42

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:09

Shows he's listening? So yay!?


It does read like a defend Lowe letter. I wouldn't be surprised if Lowe brought up the idea to put this out there. What I get from it though is Katz doesn't give a crap that anyone is angry at Lowe and that is that unless ticket sales start to fall and Lowe is pointed at my cancelling season ticket holders as a reason they're giving up.


Katz is a good owner in that he has deep pockets and is willing to spend; he has deep roots in the community and won't move the team; and he more or less is hands-off and lets the people he hired run the team.

He's a bad owner in that there isn't much accountability and he seems content to have bought the team as a kind of trophy. He seems more content to own a hockey team as a vanity project that allows him to hire and be friends with all of his hockey heroes he had growing up, more than he cares about building a winning product.

He's not the worst owner in NHL history like was being debated. But I do wonder how much he cares about winning or if he is simply happy to own an NHL team he can show off like others show off a hunting trophy.



I'd take it a step further and say the main reason he bought the team was to own a big chunk of what will soon be the nicest looking part of downtown Edmonton. So basically he got them to make even more money, plus the bonus of hiring his buddies. The trophy of owning a team plus the winning are both near the bottom of his give a crap list.

It's hard to even guess at how big of a dip in ticket sales it would take for him to really care about that either. Couple thousand empty seats per game? Meh, that might just be a drop in the bucket compared to what he's getting from other revenue sources created by threatening to move the team to Seattle if the arena deal didn't go through.



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 HE CANNOT MOVE THE DAMN TEAM... [message #622408 is a reply to message #622361 ]
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why is this so difficult for people to understand?


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622348 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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Uh, yah, thanks D. That makes things better. I take no positive from this.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622349 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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The message changed a little bit:

Went from:

"MacT isn't going anywhere"

to

"Klowe isn't going anywhere"

so, um progress?



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622353 is a reply to message #622349 ]
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What really irks me is the message of accountability in the same breath as the name of Kevin Lowe.

Yes the Tambo and MacT are being held accountable.

Yes the head coaches have been held accountable.

Yes the players have been held accountable.

Klowe? He got a promotion. That's not accountability. That's crooked politics at its finest.

I like the mentioning of Matt Hendricks and some of the other 3/4th line FA's. Like they want a pat on the back for plugging roster spots. Congrat's! You filled our 3rd line with 3rd line players. Oh you got the highly sought after Bryzgalov? How did you do it!

The Oilers colors and uniforms belong thrown onto the ice if that's the kind of product you are asking us to support.

You had this city's support and you lost it after 7 years of heartbreak and failure. You want the support you damn well have to earn it.

Nice of Katz to take a minute out of his day to crap on the fan base.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2014 13:42]


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622355 is a reply to message #622353 ]
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"Daryl"'s use of the word accountable is hilarious.

I use quotations because that wasn't even written by him, probably his secretary or a PR stooge.

We'd be better off nuking the arena deal and telling him and his cronies to fly to Seattle.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622352 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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hehe, yes, so many teams have gone through 8 years without playoffs, including a bunch where the team is up against the cap. And a bunch of them also got 3 #1 picks in a row by actually being the worst of the worst and just sat on their hands hoping those picks would put the pathetic team on their backs and carry it to greatness.

Can't wait for his letter next year, and the year after when we tie Florida's 10 year drought record.

It's still the case that the only way to actually get through to this guy is for ticket sales to start falling.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2014 13:29]


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622357 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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Is this addressed to Tier 1 fans or Tier 2 fans?




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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622360 is a reply to message #622357 ]
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Prophet wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:34

Is this addressed to Tier 1 fans or Tier 2 fans?




Great question, was I even allowed to read this?



Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 02 June 2012 00:29

But he (Belanger)'s as soft as room temp. margarine.

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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622394 is a reply to message #622357 ]
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What about fans like me? I was a "Tier One" fan -I bought season tickets for many years. I dropped them when it was mandated that we pay full price for exhibition season-even though Dave Semenko was summoned from his office and told me 'There is nothing you can do-you HAVE to pay for these meaningless games because you want to get your season tickets". He just about crapped when I told him that , in fact, there was something I could do. "You can stuff your season tickets".

I went back to sharing season tickets a few years later at the behest of a friend and am still a (long-distance) Oiler fan (so I guess that makes me a Tier two fan).

What I see with this team is individual talent but no 'team' concept. How often has an Oiler been assaulted with no response from his teammates? How often have we heard the same excuses for a loss that we heard 3 years ago? 5 years ago? 8 years ago? This is a team in name only. There is no 'compete' in this group; they are only playing for a pay cheque. Do any of you who blog frequently on this site really think that this is an attractive environment for any free agent? Players don't want to come to Edmonton because of the weather! (Really?? The weather wasn't any better 30 years ago and who would't have wanted to play with that team?).

For Darryl Katz to intimate that 'all is well and on course' is disingenuous at best and an attempt to ensure that the turnstiles keep turning at worst. The Oilers are the most dysfunctional team in modern NHL history-they lack size, grit and (worst of all) heart. They, and those who have orchestrated this mess, are a disgrace!



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622396 is a reply to message #622394 ]
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Mesa Mac wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 16:18

What about fans like me? I was a "Tier One" fan -I bought season tickets for many years. I dropped them when it was mandated that we pay full price for exhibition season-even though Dave Semenko was summoned from his office and told me 'There is nothing you can do-you HAVE to pay for these meaningless games because you want to get your season tickets". He just about crapped when I told him that , in fact, there was something I could do. "You can stuff your season tickets".

I went back to sharing season tickets a few years later at the behest of a friend and am still a (long-distance) Oiler fan (so I guess that makes me a Tier two fan).

What I see with this team is individual talent but no 'team' concept. How often has an Oiler been assaulted with no response from his teammates? How often have we heard the same excuses for a loss that we heard 3 years ago? 5 years ago? 8 years ago? This is a team in name only. There is no 'compete' in this group; they are only playing for a pay cheque. Do any of you who blog frequently on this site really think that this is an attractive environment for any free agent? Players don't want to come to Edmonton because of the weather! (Really?? The weather wasn't any better 30 years ago and who would't have wanted to play with that team?).

For Darryl Katz to intimate that 'all is well and on course' is disingenuous at best and an attempt to ensure that the turnstiles keep turning at worst. The Oilers are the most dysfunctional team in modern NHL history-they lack size, grit and (worst of all) heart. They, and those who have orchestrated this mess, are a disgrace!

Amen. They're awful top to bottom and can stuff their overpriced tickets.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622359 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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It's a better approach than threatening to move the team to Seattle.

So apparently there's been more progress in the owner's PR than there has been with the on-ice product. But they're both pretty awful still.



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David Staples calling the Oilers out on this letter:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/20/edmonton-oilers- owner-daryl-katz-backs-up-kevin-lowe-in-letter/

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The Oilers results under Katz and Lowe aren’t open to debate. It’s time for Lowe to take a step back, perhaps to a senior adviser role such as former Bruins GM Harry Sinden did in Boston in 2000.

As for MacTavish, he’s sharp, well-trained and committed, and he’s certainly willing to face tough questions and answer them. That said, he must also make tough decisions. He has to take another hard look at all aspects of his team and make sure every job is filled by the best possible person with proven expertise at doing that job. The losing record is real, it’s staggering, and it’s not going to change without the right people in place.

Accountability can’t just happen on the ice. It’s got to happen throughout the Oilers organization, including the coaching staff, the management offices. If there are weak links, better candidates need to be found and hired.

That’s the kind of accountability that fans would like to see



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:44

David Staples calling the Oilers out on this letter:

http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/01/20/edmonton-oilers- owner-daryl-katz-backs-up-kevin-lowe-in-letter/

Quote:

The Oilers results under Katz and Lowe aren’t open to debate. It’s time for Lowe to take a step back, perhaps to a senior adviser role such as former Bruins GM Harry Sinden did in Boston in 2000.

As for MacTavish, he’s sharp, well-trained and committed, and he’s certainly willing to face tough questions and answer them. That said, he must also make tough decisions. He has to take another hard look at all aspects of his team and make sure every job is filled by the best possible person with proven expertise at doing that job. The losing record is real, it’s staggering, and it’s not going to change without the right people in place.

Accountability can’t just happen on the ice. It’s got to happen throughout the Oilers organization, including the coaching staff, the management offices. If there are weak links, better candidates need to be found and hired.

That’s the kind of accountability that fans would like to see



Willis seems to kinda like the letter, hehehe.

http://oilersnation.com/2014/1/20/daryl-katz-reaches-out-to- oilers-fans

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The letter is almost certainly going to do a few things.

For one, it's going to go at least some distance toward cooling anger. Yes, these arguments have all been made before, and no a letter won't generate the wins the team so desperately needs, but it does something else. One of the reasons we've seen such vicious reaction from segments of the fanbase is because fans feel powerless; with this letter Katz acknowledges that fans matter. Even for those who don't buy the arguments, that will ease some frustration.

It isn't going to be a cure-all, and it isn't going to solve the real problem: losing. What it might do is buy a little bit of time and take some of the edge off, but the fans have suffered through so much (and will continue to suffer) that at best it's a stall.

One way it may backfire is with the local media. Anybody who has spent any time reading the local beat reporters on Twitter or in the papers knows that a) they really don't like that Katz doesn't talk to them and b) they hate it when they aren't used in a gatekeeping role. A direct letter to fans that bypasses the professional media and a continued lack of interviews with Katz is only going to encourage them to dismiss the letter.

One final note: some media outlets are branding this as an apology. It isn't. It's an acknowledgement of fan frustration, but at every level it defends the current management and direction of the orgnaization.



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I think there has been accountability, at GM, Coach, scouting staff, and players.
IMHO firing KL won't change much with this team. Its all abot getting bonafide NHL caliber players, of which we lack, that falls to McT, scouts, and coaches; getting them and developing them.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622366 is a reply to message #622365 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:03

I think there has been accountability, at GM, Coach, scouting staff, and players.
IMHO firing KL won't change much with this team. Its all abot getting bonafide NHL caliber players, of which we lack, that falls to McT, scouts, and coaches; getting them and developing them.


How are you supposed to do those things when Lowe keeps bringing in and keeping his buddies in the important jobs? The team has gone a very long time without actually finding the most qualified people for important roles. Firing Lowe would be the best step to take if you want to end that cycle.

There is a reason that no one has survived as long as Lowe has in the top leadership role on a team as bad as the Oilers are right now. And we likely will have the misfortune to seeing why over and over again until we break Florida's playoff drought record and beyond.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2014 14:11]


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622369 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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Don't blame Kevin he's my buddy, blame Mac-T he's Kevin's buddy not mine. It's not Kevin's fault he hired all these people who couldn't get the job done, he thought they knew about winning too, I've told him so many times he needs to count the rings to be sure.

He seems to forget that this has been k-Lowes team for all the 8 years and he has put in place the people who made this mess which not only is not turning the corner but is regressing.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2014 14:47]


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622370 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.



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Pseudoreality wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:37

Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.

Hey! In fairness to MacT, the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS Blackhawks hired him to the key AHL Head Coach position after he wasn't fired here. If that doesn't make him qualified to be GM, then I don't know what does.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622374 is a reply to message #622371 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:41

Pseudoreality wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:37

Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.

Hey! In fairness to MacT, the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS Blackhawks hired him to the key AHL Head Coach position after he wasn't fired here. If that doesn't make him qualified to be GM, then I don't know what does.


Well, actually it was the Canucks. And look at their NHL head coach!



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622375 is a reply to message #622374 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:49

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:41

Pseudoreality wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:37

Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.

Hey! In fairness to MacT, the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS Blackhawks hired him to the key AHL Head Coach position after he wasn't fired here. If that doesn't make him qualified to be GM, then I don't know what does.


Well, actually it was the Canucks. And look at their NHL head coach!

Shut up. Don't you dare hold me accountable when I get things wrong here.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622378 is a reply to message #622375 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:49

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:41

Pseudoreality wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:37

Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.

Hey! In fairness to MacT, the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS Blackhawks hired him to the key AHL Head Coach position after he wasn't fired here. If that doesn't make him qualified to be GM, then I don't know what does.


Well, actually it was the Canucks. And look at their NHL head coach!

Shut up. Don't you dare hold me accountable when I get things wrong here.


Hey, next time I expect that kind of response in the form of a letter drafted by your secretary.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622383 is a reply to message #622378 ]
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nullterm wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:49

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:41

Pseudoreality wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:37

Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.

Hey! In fairness to MacT, the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS Blackhawks hired him to the key AHL Head Coach position after he wasn't fired here. If that doesn't make him qualified to be GM, then I don't know what does.


Well, actually it was the Canucks. And look at their NHL head coach!

Shut up. Don't you dare hold me accountable when I get things wrong here.


Hey, next time I expect that kind of response in the form of a letter drafted by your secretary.


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Screw you.

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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622384 is a reply to message #622383 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:15

nullterm wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 13:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:49

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:41

Pseudoreality wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 14:37

Sounds like the PR guy that Kevin hired to pump him up on social media wrote this letter. You can't tell me there's accountability in this organization when Kevin Lowe got away with hiring his buddy to be GM with no experience and no ability to get a job anywhere outside of Edmonton.

What a joke.

Hey! In fairness to MacT, the STANLEY CUP CHAMPIONS Blackhawks hired him to the key AHL Head Coach position after he wasn't fired here. If that doesn't make him qualified to be GM, then I don't know what does.


Well, actually it was the Canucks. And look at their NHL head coach!

Shut up. Don't you dare hold me accountable when I get things wrong here.


Hey, next time I expect that kind of response in the form of a letter drafted by your secretary.


An open letter to Adam (dictated not read)

Screw you.

~Sincerely, CPizzle. (signature stamped, not written)


I'd be more upset if I'd bought your tickets to the Nashville game and then got that letter.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622386 is a reply to message #622384 ]
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What if I threw in some nostalgia about switching back to the retro uniforms and retro game day presentation with the tickets?


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622389 is a reply to message #622386 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:22

What if I threw in some nostalgia about switching back to the retro uniforms and retro game day presentation with the tickets?


Retro ticket prices would be a good idea.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622390 is a reply to message #622389 ]
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Prophet wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:38

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:22

What if I threw in some nostalgia about switching back to the retro uniforms and retro game day presentation with the tickets?


Retro ticket prices would be a good idea.



To be fair, in his desperation to get rid of said tickets, CrusaderPi might be forced to go to retro pricing...



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622391 is a reply to message #622390 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:39

Prophet wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:38

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:22

What if I threw in some nostalgia about switching back to the retro uniforms and retro game day presentation with the tickets?


Retro ticket prices would be a good idea.



To be fair, in his desperation to get rid of said tickets, CrusaderPi might be forced to go to retro pricing...

Might?!?! I'm legitimately offering half priced tickets (Pred and Kings, see my posting in the for sale section) plus 25 Oileristan rubles to spend on yourself at the game. HALF PRICED! Even at half off the face value, which is less that what I paid for them, I can't blame anyone for not jumping on this super awesome deal.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622372 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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There should be a lot of rational, we'll thought out responses to this on the internet... Also, I wonder who actually wrote that.


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622373 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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Katz:
Quote:

But when it comes down to it, this is Craig MacTavish’s team. He is the GM. He makes the calls, and he is accountable for building a team that can compete for the Stanley Cup -- year in and year out for years to come.



Lowe:
Quote:

Craig is the general manager, as was Steve Tambellini. They go about their business and shop around the NHL with the scouting staff and collectively throughout the organization try to come up with ways to make the hockey club better, whether it's signing a player or trading a player or what have you.

At the end of the way, when those recommendations or when those ideas come up, Craig will talk to me and get my feelings on it and you know . . . we talk enough over the course of the season that I generally know where he's going on things and, you know, there's an owner that has to make a call in terms of whether you're going to spend the money for a free agent or trade an asset that's been part of the organization for a while, so there's a collective decision being made.

"I mean, if there's any concern that our people can't make decisions without me endorsing them, then that's not accurate. We've always had a, taken the approach from the day that I took over as general manager that we're collectively going to make decisions – not that it's a purely democratic process, but it's wise of you to involve as many people in your organization when you are making decisions.

"It's not a fiefdom where one person says, 'No, this is what we're going to do.' It's a collective group decision on any strategy that the hockey team is going to make.



Which is it?

Or are both true like it was with Tambo (if you ignore Katz's "he makes the calls" comment)? Lowe super involved in everything, but only 1 guy accountable if things don't work out...

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2014 14:49]


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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622376 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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I hate the whole “this is only year four of the rebuild”.

Isn't it at least year 5 as the year leading up to drafting Taylor Hall should be considered rebuild too as that was tank central?

Of the last 8 years of losing, management says that only the last 4 years were “rebuilding”. What was before? Incompetence. Nothing but incompetence. Four years of incompetence gets you fired on any other team. Not on the Oilers though.

The message: Deal with it. We are just winging it here and hoping to get lucky.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622380 is a reply to message #622376 ]
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JPro wrote on Mon, 20 January 2014 15:03

I hate the whole “this is only year four of the rebuild”.

Isn't it at least year 5 as the year leading up to drafting Taylor Hall should be considered rebuild too as that was tank central?

Of the last 8 years of losing, management says that only the last 4 years were “rebuilding”. What was before? Incompetence. Nothing but incompetence. Four years of incompetence gets you fired on any other team. Not on the Oilers though.

The message: Deal with it. We are just winging it here and hoping to get lucky.



Lowe explained all that. Weren't you listening? They were "chasing the dream" there. It's not their fault it didn't work out, and you can't blame them for trying. They could have been this bad earlier, but they were committed to trying to do something for our fans.

I think the Hall season they don't count as a rebuild year, because they were still chasing the dream, but managed to hire a coach who was senile to the point of incompetence. It was all they could do to convince him to keep Gagner over Robbie Schremp. Can you blame Lowe for Quinn? That was clearly Tambo's fault. And it still might have worked if Khabibulin had stayed as good as he was in his first month instead of getting injured and missing most of the rest of the year!

The problem is, you see the whole 8 years as the rebuild. Kevin Lowe sees the first half of that as just preamble to the rebuild, and really, it was your fault as much as it was his, because you still wanted a winner and he was just trying to give you that winner.

This whole thing turned around at the point where management accepted losing. If you just do the same, you'll feel much better about it all.



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 Re: Katz letter to Oilers Fans [message #622381 is a reply to message #622344 ]
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It reads like someone in PR wrote it and released it. What is its purpose - to 'connect' to the everydayman?

FAIL

It shows that he is not in touch at all - that every move made is good, that everyone is on board and accountable, yet the team is much worse than previous teams, whose coaches and GMs were fired.

Its kinda a douche move IMO....



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