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Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #25) [message #503339] |
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 darkknight
Messages: 187
Registered: January 2009
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Gagner had his chances but couldn't pot one.
Horcoff sucks.
Fire MacT.
He shoots, he Sykoras
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Densetsu
Messages: 170
Registered: November 1997
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
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Is it just me, or did Souray look *very* lazy on trying to stop Frolov from scoring the empty-netter?
Either way, pretty happy with how Deslauriers has played these last two games. Can't expect to win them all when your teammates only put in one goal.
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Jeremyd88
Messages: 133
Registered: October 2009
Location: Edmonton
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| Densetsu wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 22:00 |
Is it just me, or did Souray look *very* lazy on trying to stop Frolov from scoring the empty-netter?
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well.. Frolov would definitely get that shot, and Souray is no speed skater.. It was kind of a automatic goal if I ever saw 1.
Anyways, That was a weak goal near the end, no traffic, he should have been able to handle that.. but we cant blame him, 66 saves out of 68 shots in the last 2 games is pretty good.
I didn't see much heart from the players though, dont mean to repeat.. But there wasnt the EMOTION.. Oh well..
And Gagner definitely needs to sink those goals. The next 2 games are gonna be tough, I am hoping for at least 1 win :)
"Goaltending is a normal job, sure. How would you like it in your job if every time you made a small mistake, a red light went on over your desk and 15,000 people stood up and yelled at you.” - Jacques Plante
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Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Densetsu wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 22:00 |
Is it just me, or did Souray look *very* lazy on trying to stop Frolov from scoring the empty-netter?
Either way, pretty happy with how Deslauriers has played these last two games. Can't expect to win them all when your teammates only put in one goal.
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I don't know. Deslauriers made some good saves, but both of those goals were weak. You really can't blame the goalie for a loss when you only score once, but you hate seeing him give up softies, especially the one to Greene in the last five minutes. Greene doesn't shoot like Souray, and there was really no screen at all. He's shooting from the blueline...that should be stopped.
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Edmonton's too soft. The forwards don't win battles. And Hemmer's injured.
 中 RED DRAGONS 中| rukm01 wrote on Sun, 01 July 2012 21:54 |
Souray is a Duck is one letter away from being totally accurate.
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TJ39
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Registered: May 2002
Location: British Columbia
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Hemsky with an upper body injury. If he is out for a while, we're in worse trouble than we already are in.
JDD lets in some just terrible goals.
We needed a goal in that third. Why didn't Quinn reunite Penner and Horcoff? Maybe with somebody like Cogs who had a strong game.
This to me was a must win looking at the next two games coming up. Bad loss.
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Jetque
Messages: 16
Registered: August 2009
Location: Winnipeg
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To our team :
played with ZERO heart, that was such a boring game. We had about 4 good scoring chances. We didn't skate, didn't play physical. Ugh that makes me angry...this team has to play better then that
Edmonton Oilers - 116.5 Db's 2006 playoffs.
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Brewer84
Messages: 10
Registered: November 2009
Location: New York
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Boring is exactly my words. They sounded like they wanted to be any where but there. They were more like O'Sullivan featuring the Edmonton Oilers. Even with Hemsky missing Gagne Still had control in the 3rd but failed to produce so their was no excuse.
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shootsaverebound
Messages: 303
Registered: April 2006
Location: Houston, TX
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Sully and Cogs had it in full gear tonight but they just couldn't get anything done. One bad goal for JDD, otherwise I thought he was strong.
First game I've seen Penner not stand out.
Horcoff is abysmal and doesn't deserve to be playing the role that he does on this team.
"But I say to you, Oilfans, breathe it in deeply...feel the pain and the shame and the anger...feel it all..." Mybestguess
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Jetque
Messages: 16
Registered: August 2009
Location: Winnipeg
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I love Horc. But the team sucked tonight...
Also Cogs and Sully I agree were the only two good players.
Edmonton Oilers - 116.5 Db's 2006 playoffs.
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Ofer
Messages: 235
Registered: March 2001
Location: Guelph, ON
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I'm not displeased with the way the team played tonight overall. If Gagner had done his job and buried that in the open net, we would have been fine.
Still, the Oilers continue to find ways to lose games. A lot of three pointers in the NHL tonight and we of course come up empty at home.
Hemsky gets hurt, and knowing our luck will be out awhile.
I just don't think that this team is even close right now. We're well out of the playoffs and our young players don't look like future superstars the way that LA's and Chicago's did over the last few seasons.
There are no Kane's, Toews', Doughty's or Kopitars on this team.
Now we have SJ at home to end the homestand, and then IN vancouver on saturday night? Good luck.
MPS better be a star, and quick. Or it will be another few seasons out of the playoffs because the future isn't looking too bright.
"And the fans do not like this one bit"
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Bitu-man
Messages: 53
Registered: November 2007
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I've been "on a break" from the Oilers for the last month with the intention of going back this Friday by attending the Sharks game.
I decided to go back a little early tonight...big mistake. It's like thinking your abusive spouse has changed even though his/her therapy isn't complete. I just opened the door and got punched in the face. 
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Pedro996
Messages: 25
Registered: March 2009
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All of the forwards were soft and usless. The Moreau, Potulny and Cogliano were the best line by far. Gagner is so bad, the only reason he has points is because of the players around him. There are other players that should be in Gagners position. Trade Gagner for someone that is not so easy to knock off the puck and man handle, WEAK... Both of the goals that LA scored were soft, JDD should have had them.
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Boy. Sure glad that meeting the core had had on sunday has em all fired up. Mailed in yet ANOTHER one.
No heart from (aside from the coach) from top to bottom. Give 'em an excuse, and they run with it.
Not sure if I've ever been this frustrated with the joke of an organization. Not much they have done the last few years have made sense.
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
~nullterm 03/22/2014
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K.McC#24
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Location: ALBERTA
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That was a ssssooooofffffttttt effort. Pretty weak retaliation on Handzus too.
JDD needed to stop that unscreened shot from the point from MATT GREENE, of all people. I don't care if he made 80 saves the rest of the game, the goalie needs to stop the stoppable shots.
Hemmer's out, for how long? This hockey team will spiral without him.
Horcoff is nothing short of a brutal hockey player this year, period. Doesn't even take critical draws. If he's hurt, get him the friggin hell off the starting lineup, because he does NOTHING for this hockey team, currently.
Potulny, Moreau have good games. Cogliano pretty good. This could have been Moreau's best game of the year. Unfortunately, when these 3 are your best players, you're not going to win many games.
The Oilers have SJ, Van, and Detroit the next 3. I say it's 80-20 that they drop all 3. Somehow they have to get half the points out of the next 3 games. If they drop all 3, or even 2 of 3, they're screwed.
SJ is going to put up 50 shots on this hockey team next game.
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Benhur
Messages: 19
Registered: May 2008
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I am sure that the opposition is looking at how weak we are on the forecheck and their plan will be to jamb the puck down our throat, control the wall and crash the crease!
The Oil have shown a definite weakness on the forecheck and continued again tonight. They had so many take aways in our zone it almost became predictable. Both LA goals were a result of the turnovers.
Also I noticed that the Oil had a hard time gaining the centre line because most teams don't give it up. They bring up their D to pressure the forwards before they can gain centre line so we cannot dump it in deep without icing it. This leads to turnovers in the centre ice area or just across their blu lne. Our forecheck on the other hand is spread out, give up the centre line and the dump ins are followed by a wave of forwards which usually resulted in takeaways and scoring chances. Along the wall we are weak and the game results were predictable.
LA DESERVED THIS GAME.
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BTR17
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Registered: December 1997
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...has zero offensive ability. And his defensive positioning never, ever lives up to this 'defensive wizard' nonsense that permeates this board re: 10. Add to that he's probably the softest player on the team - he hasn't thrown a body check since when, the 06 playoffs? On top of all of that goodness, he's the highest paid F on the hockey club.
It's a broken record game-by-game, but truer words have never been spoken.
Saddled with that contract for the next 5 years. It will probably take that long for the Oilers organization to emerge from this epic fog.
The roster isn't good enough. It's really that simple.
"The Oilers are playing like they'd rather die than lose."
Mike Emerick, on-air, after the Game 3 win over Anaheim in the 2006 Western Conference Final.
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Jay
Messages: 1152
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Location: Edmonton
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| BTR17 wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 00:25 |
...has zero offensive ability. And his defensive positioning never, ever lives up to this 'defensive wizard' nonsense that permeates this board re: 10. Add to that he's probably the softest player on the team - he hasn't thrown a body check since when, the 06 playoffs? On top of all of that goodness, he's the highest paid F on the hockey club.
It's a broken record game-by-game, but truer words have never been spoken.
Saddled with that contract for the next 5 years. It will probably take that long for the Oilers organization to emerge from this epic fog.
The roster isn't good enough. It's really that simple.
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Its rediculous. The guy thinks that he can just stand still on the half boards and stick handle around guys. In the NHL. Needless to say it almost never works out and he coughs up the puck time and again.
I could live with "he is what he is", If we werent constantly being spoon fed this nonsense from the media and employees of the team that "Horcoff does all the little things that dont show up on the score sheet" or "he plays the tough minutes" or "Horcoff is just struggling right now". No, he just is a 3rd line player. End of story. His defence is nothing special. His face-offs are somewhere above average, and he doesnt hit. He is nowhere close to a top line guy.
This may seem like a bit of a stretch but Im going to throw it out there since Ive been thinking it for a while. When free agents (Hossa) or guys traded here (Heatley) are considering Edmonton as a potential destination, does anyone think that they look at the team and its structure and say
'ok this team offensively is built around.....Horcoff??...Next'
Not saying I think that is THE reason guys dont want to come here. To me, if your team wins thats all that matters. If we build a winner here guys will want to come. My point, I guess, is that nothing screams "loser" louder than Shawn Horcoff as the highest paid forward on your team.
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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Pedro996
Messages: 25
Registered: March 2009
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I was not a fan of the comment the Quinn made a day ago. "Cogliano says that he is a goal scorer" and Quinn gave him no backing, That was no class in my opinion. Your coach should be reassuring its not like there are any 30 goal scorers on this team. I hope that Penner does it!
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marinermoose
Messages: 456
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Location: Sherwood Park
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I CAN'T BELIEVE NO ONE CAUGHT THIS: Please, whoever PVR'ed the game confirm this! Just over 4 minutes into the 3rd L.A. ices the puck. As our D-man goes back to touch it, time keeps winding down instead of stopping like it's obviously supposed to. And time keeps winding down. The clock's not stopping. Still not stopping. Then, as the Oilers have completed their line change (or partial change) and they're about to drop the puck in L.A.'s zone, someone notices and they stop for a few seconds and go to the timekeeper's bench. The clock is STILL RUNNING. Then the clock finally stops and about 10-12 seconds are added. Problem is, they're still either 19 or 20 seconds short. I know this because I was paying extra close attention the whole time. The puck is then dropped, the clock resumes ticking down like normal, and as it turned out we honestly only saw 19:40 or 19:41 of gameplay in the 3rd period.
And, as it turned out, look what effect that might've had!?
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No, I didnt catch that, but did you see the effort tonight? It wouldnt have made a difference.
Pat Quinn is 100% right. The culture has to change.
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
~nullterm 03/22/2014
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K.McC#24
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Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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| Pedro996 wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 22:26 |
I was not a fan of the comment the Quinn made a day ago. "Cogliano says that he is a goal scorer" and Quinn gave him no backing, That was no class in my opinion. Your coach should be reassuring its not like there are any 30 goal scorers on this team. I hope that Penner does it!
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Are you kidding? Why should Quinn give anyone on this team credit for being a goal scorer? Wouldn't that be kind of ridiculous? Why would he say, "Yeah Cogs, you're a goal scorer...."?
If I'm Quinn, I'm saying "show me".
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oil-loyal111
Messages: 57
Registered: October 2009
Location: Edmonton
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Please, can one of these supposed Oilers' 'goal scorers' show me his supposed skill set with 2 'skill goals' per month, even?
No, SO STFU and throw it at the greasy crease screeners' knees and rush net with the 'bows up.
Please.
Penner failed to dominate, but he's due about ten games already this season, Hemmer being hurt and out sucks, time for Gags to step up on our #1 PP and Horcs to lead our #! PK only, no more PP unless injuries force him onto it.
I sat 300's tonight and tried hard to challenge Rexall fans to cheer and I cheered quite loud myself, we are a sad crowd re: cheering sometimes, f.....
What is with all sorts of ex-Oilers and guys on scoreless streaks always scoring on us? These are the key shutdowns, period, momentum shifters. Fff again.
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Nerdkore
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Location: Edmonton
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 22:57 |
| Pedro996 wrote on Wed, 25 November 2009 22:26 |
I was not a fan of the comment the Quinn made a day ago. "Cogliano says that he is a goal scorer" and Quinn gave him no backing, That was no class in my opinion. Your coach should be reassuring its not like there are any 30 goal scorers on this team. I hope that Penner does it!
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Are you kidding? Why should Quinn give anyone on this team credit for being a goal scorer? Wouldn't that be kind of ridiculous? Why would he say, "Yeah Cogs, you're a goal scorer...."?
If I'm Quinn, I'm saying "show me".
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I agree, if you think that you are a goal scorer you need to do something to prove it to your team mates and your coaches. You're not just going to get the title because you say you are
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richksaun
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Any body else notice Greene throwing his trademark elbows around with no penalties being called.
"Any donkey can go to the front of the net and stand there with his stick on the ice." -- Capitals' center Brooks Laich on breaking a 9-game goal drought with a tip in vs. the Rangers(hint hint Oilers)
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AY
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all too. He sorta got some optimism back at the start of the last big road trip but tonight you'd think his dog died!
Funk? No, says Quinn to paraphrase, maybe we're right where we oughta be!
Ouch!
Late PP. Had the chances to boot mixed throughout the contest.. The wins just aren't there.
If SJ plays like they can, Friday night?
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BTR17
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...really worked out, huh? Dismal. It hasn't worked out in the slightest.
And so on, and so on.
Will we hear the 'I want to see what we have' on the radio, or somewhere in print tomorrow?
There's nothing left to discover about this mediocre roster. It is what it is. He's been on the job since the summer of 2008. How much longer does the guy need to assess the glaring, structural weaknesses of this hockey club? This team is an ice age away from contention.
As they say, though, you get what you pay for. And the Oilers paid for a collection of marginal, limited hockey players.
When does the building start to empty out?
"The Oilers are playing like they'd rather die than lose."
Mike Emerick, on-air, after the Game 3 win over Anaheim in the 2006 Western Conference Final.
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Fridge01
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What is worse? Toronto won tonight... there was just no happiness this evening.
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BTR17
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...this team needs to start from near scratch.
This is the worst collection of veterans in pro hockey. Bar none.
I just hope the GM-In-Absentia has the stones to make the proper decisions. With each passing day, I fear he doesn't.
"The Oilers are playing like they'd rather die than lose."
Mike Emerick, on-air, after the Game 3 win over Anaheim in the 2006 Western Conference Final.
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AY
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That's what motivated my 'crash and burn' comment late last week.
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6zeppelin6
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of course
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Quinn on Hemsky: "It doesn't look real positive right now." Further evaluation will be done tomorrow morning.
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i need a new team.
source: tencers twitter
When you get all set to watch the game, and within 10 minutes the Oilers are losing:
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SunshinesDad
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what is the GM suppose to do. If we have the worse vets in history then how can he possibly trade them? The buy out period is over so is he suppose to waive every veteran we have and hope someone picks them up and when they don't send them all to Springfield and have no players to play here??
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3PCGZ_c0m91rN7zn75aow
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nickxero
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I'm prepared to see this team perform about the same or better without Hemsky. I can feel it.
"Put the kids in with a few old pappy guys who still like to win and the combination is unbeatable." -Conn Smythe
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NZ Oiler Fan
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| BTR17 wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 00:18 |
...really worked out, huh? Dismal. It hasn't worked out in the slightest.
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What?
Visnovsky has consistently been our best D man since we acquired him (barring of course that stretch when he was out with the shoulder injury.)
We gave up Stoll (who now seems to have some kind of bad rheumatoid arthritis and isn't even playing) and Greene, who managed his first goal in 30+ games which just so happened to be the game winner.
I'd make that deal again any day of the week.
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 07:54 |
| BTR17 wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 00:18 |
...really worked out, huh? Dismal. It hasn't worked out in the slightest.
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What?
Visnovsky has consistently been our best D man since we acquired him (barring of course that stretch when he was out with the shoulder injury.)
We gave up Stoll (who now seems to have some kind of bad rheumatoid arthritis and isn't even playing) and Greene, who managed his first goal in 30+ games which just so happened to be the game winner.
I'd make that deal again any day of the week.
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We have had to play Horcoff a ton the last couple of years because of dealing stoll and reasoner. That factors into things in this trade. It's just not who you got for who, it is who you have to replace pieces you deal. The oilers had a lack of toughness on the back end and dumped two good face off men that off season.
I like Vishnosky, very good player but we already had some fancy dancers back on the blue line.
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ronster
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| Beerfish Revisited wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 06:59 |
We have had to play Horcoff a ton the last couple of years because of dealing stoll and reasoner. That factors into things in this trade. It's just not who you got for who, it is who you have to replace pieces you deal. The oilers had a lack of toughness on the back end and dumped two good face off men that off season.
I like Vishnosky, very good player but we already had some fancy dancers back on the blue line.
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I would also include trading Brodziak as a bad move as well, putting even more pressure on overusing Horcoff.
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Adam
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| ronster wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 10:38 |
| Beerfish Revisited wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 06:59 |
We have had to play Horcoff a ton the last couple of years because of dealing stoll and reasoner. That factors into things in this trade. It's just not who you got for who, it is who you have to replace pieces you deal. The oilers had a lack of toughness on the back end and dumped two good face off men that off season.
I like Vishnosky, very good player but we already had some fancy dancers back on the blue line.
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I would also include trading Brodziak as a bad move as well, putting even more pressure on overusing Horcoff.
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Meh...Brodziak was never much of a player. And he certainly never looked like a guy who'd get his nose dirty, which is something you really expect from a fourth liner.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Jay
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 07:54 |
| BTR17 wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 00:18 |
...really worked out, huh? Dismal. It hasn't worked out in the slightest.
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What?
Visnovsky has consistently been our best D man since we acquired him (barring of course that stretch when he was out with the shoulder injury.)
We gave up Stoll (who now seems to have some kind of bad rheumatoid arthritis and isn't even playing) and Greene, who managed his first goal in 30+ games which just so happened to be the game winner.
I'd make that deal again any day of the week.
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Have to agree. I have no problem at all with the Visnovsky trade. The guy is money, and almost never makes a bad play. The mistake was signing Gilbert long term. If our D consisted of Vish, Smid, Souray, Staios, Grebs and -insert cheap stay at home defenceman here- I would be fine with that.
Stoll? Not that big of a loss. The problem was not trading Stoll but rather not replacing his role on the team. Those kinds of player arent that hard to find IMO.
"Initiative comes to thems that wait"
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SunshinesDad
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| BTR17 wrote on Thu, 26 November 2009 00:18 |
...really worked out, huh? Dismal. It hasn't worked out in the slightest.
And so on, and so on.
Will we hear the 'I want to see what we have' on the radio, or somewhere in print tomorrow?
There's nothing left to discover about this mediocre roster. It is what it is. He's been on the job since the summer of 2008. How much longer does the guy need to assess the glaring, structural weaknesses of this hockey club? This team is an ice age away from contention.
As they say, though, you get what you pay for. And the Oilers paid for a collection of marginal, limited hockey players.
When does the building start to empty out?
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Where did this come from. Yeah I know your rant about blowing the team up and the GM sucks but how does the Visnovsky deal have anything to do with it? Vis is a very good defenseman for us, Matt Greene has done squat for LA and Stoll is hurt. It doesn't look like it worked out for LA either.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3PCGZ_c0m91rN7zn75aow
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