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 touchstone [message #344205]
Thu, 01 March 2007 11:39 Go to next message
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Ok, so the dust settled and the trade deadline has passed. Since the rumour mill is shut down, I'd like to open the floor to debating touchstone. Good? Bad?

At the very least he wasn't featured on national television to bring down a network's credibility.. but are threads like his, or even mine for that matter about signing Smyth a determent here?



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 Re: touchstone [message #344208 is a reply to message #344205 ]
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I think I would be more ok with it if he didn't say things like Pronger HAS been traded to Florida, Pitkanen IS an Oiler, Smyth HAS signed.


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 Re: touchstone [message #344210 is a reply to message #344205 ]
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I gives me something to read at work. I like thinking and debating the possibilities.

I don't expect anything on the rumours board to come true, so it's not like I get disappointed or angered by anything that does/does not happen.

I don't think that can be said about every Oilfan, but that's not the fault of the rumour. Let rumours be rumours I say.



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 Re: touchstone [message #344212 is a reply to message #344210 ]
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"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Pehaps, I am just bitter with having my hopes up of getting Pittkanen and having Smyth signed and then having them ripped apart.



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 Re: touchstone [message #344215 is a reply to message #344212 ]
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Touchstone hasn't been right once all year. I'm starting to think he is Eklund. The point of it is, rumours are rumours. The hardest part to swallow is that he said Smyth was signed, being as Smyth is my favorite player it was yet another slap to the face by the Oilers.


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 Re: touchstone [message #344224 is a reply to message #344205 ]
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I try not to get involved in these debates too often and I haven't been here that long so I don't really expect anyone to care what I think, but you asked so...

I enjoy touchstone's posts for the most part. I thought that it was a little bit goofy that he posted that the Smyth deal was done, although to be fair he wasn't the only one selling that story, but it doesn't make me angry. If you are seriously going to start sanctioning people for being wrong when they post something on the rumors board, then there won't be anyone left to post.

I think a little controversy on here keeps things interesting.



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 The rule for all should be... [message #344233 is a reply to message #344205 ]
Thu, 01 March 2007 12:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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...if you believe ANYTHING on the rumours board you are a moron. It's like selling a car to a guy you've not met and saying "bring me the money over later".

Take the RUMOURS board for what it's worth...an excuse to debate fantasy.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344236 is a reply to message #344233 ]
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haggis wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 12:14

...if you believe ANYTHING on the rumours board you are a moron. It's like selling a car to a guy you've not met and saying "bring me the money over later".

Take the RUMOURS board for what it's worth...an excuse to debate fantasy.


Didn't take many posts in to see that this board is serving its purpose. Just wanted to shove a thermometer in here and see what it read.

I think Eklund damaged SportsNet's credibility for years to come, so I figured I'd see what the barometer is on here.

Goose... your opinion is as valid as the guys who have been here a decade.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344241 is a reply to message #344236 ]
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Like others have said, aside from saying that Smyth was signed and the deal was done, he posts in the rumours forum. Rumours are only that, a fun way for us all to debate and kill time at work.


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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344242 is a reply to message #344236 ]
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Again, I enjoy reading about all the possibilities. I personally think it's all BS and that he makes it up, and I don't like the "take it to the bank", "done deal" and stuff like that, nevertheless I still read the posts and enjoy debating on what would be good to see going one way and the other.

My advice would be to Touchstone would be to steer away from this 100% done deal stuff. Post up whatever you make up or hear and we can all discuss it. Passes the time.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344292 is a reply to message #344242 ]
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My .02 cents is this - I prefer hockey information to be credible, from credible sources, and (at very least) be from valid sources in & around the industry. To me, the person matters not as much as the quality of information - and in this case, well, that has been well established for what it is.
I don't think it is much to ask for a good hockey forum such as this to live up to those meager standards, but as always, I leave that kind of decision in MJ's hands, as he can be the conscious of this place well enough.
Some other things I find problematic are the kinds of information brought out here, the timing & sensitivity of said information, and (as others have pointed out) the attitude and tone of the message as it is presented. For example, had the Smyth trade been leaked early by a credible source, at a time when it was at its most tenuous - the is no telling what kind of effect it might have had. Bad enough some went around trumpeting him being signed!
Having said that, no need to ban him really - but if people come on here expecting solid, credible information (and this site is the "big Time" for it), then having things like that occur tear at the site's fabric, imho. And that could be fixed with a little dilligence & some standards on our part.
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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344297 is a reply to message #344292 ]
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Maybe we could put a disclaimer like Miss Chloe's psychic hotline: This information is for entertainment purposes only.


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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344305 is a reply to message #344297 ]
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I find Touchstones posts to be laughable at best. Everyone pretty much knows the guys full of B.S. But you know what everyone reads his posts just the same, i think just so they can rip on the guy.

But he must be a sucker for punishment because he keeps coming back for more. Either that or he really does think he has a source. Maybe the guy cleans Lowes office at night. Who knows, who cares.

It all depends what your looking for on the site MJ. Traffic and discussion, or credibility.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344310 is a reply to message #344305 ]
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scandle wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 13:20

I find Touchstones posts to be laughable at best. Everyone pretty much knows the guys full of B.S. But you know what everyone reads his posts just the same, i think just so they can rip on the guy.

But he must be a sucker for punishment because he keeps coming back for more. Either that or he really does think he has a source. Maybe the guy cleans Lowes office at night. Who knows, who cares.

It all depends what your looking for on the site MJ. Traffic and discussion, or credibility.


Actually, he's got the in with Kevin Lowe's goldfish now. OGM hates that, because the fish always used to give the Monkey all the dirt. It's a sad situation really.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344312 is a reply to message #344310 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 16:28

scandle wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 13:20

I find Touchstones posts to be laughable at best. Everyone pretty much knows the guys full of B.S. But you know what everyone reads his posts just the same, i think just so they can rip on the guy.

But he must be a sucker for punishment because he keeps coming back for more. Either that or he really does think he has a source. Maybe the guy cleans Lowes office at night. Who knows, who cares.

It all depends what your looking for on the site MJ. Traffic and discussion, or credibility.


Actually, he's got the in with Kevin Lowe's goldfish now. OGM hates that, because the fish always used to give the Monkey all the dirt. It's a sad situation really.


I did notice a lot of friction there...now I know the rest of the story.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344321 is a reply to message #344312 ]
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Mikey wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 13:29

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 16:28

scandle wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 13:20

I find Touchstones posts to be laughable at best. Everyone pretty much knows the guys full of B.S. But you know what everyone reads his posts just the same, i think just so they can rip on the guy.

But he must be a sucker for punishment because he keeps coming back for more. Either that or he really does think he has a source. Maybe the guy cleans Lowes office at night. Who knows, who cares.

It all depends what your looking for on the site MJ. Traffic and discussion, or credibility.


Actually, he's got the in with Kevin Lowe's goldfish now. OGM hates that, because the fish always used to give the Monkey all the dirt. It's a sad situation really.


I did notice a lot of friction there...now I know the rest of the story.


Adam, as usual, has the pulse of the board firmly in check.
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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344352 is a reply to message #344321 ]
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Allow me to put the whole Touchstone discussion to rest.

Sadly, it will more than likely end my time on this board.

"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Very poignant - in fact, Touchstone's relevance is how a fool can so easily and more so than that, depended upon to dictate the mood society. He is known as a wise fool, someone who's "opinions" are so profound that they are often misinterpreted as fact.

I do not have sources. Any in fact.

I am working on a study piece that actually has no relevence to hockey, but in fact how Shakespeare's characters are alive and functioning in today's society. I was looking for a forum where a group of people were so passionate about a way of life, that they would be willing to follow the advice, or "information" of a wise fool as long as it could be better than the potential truth.

Oilfans was a perfect forum. At first I wondered if it would work within government, but the implications I thought were too drastic, but it had to be something where I felt I could dictate the mood of a passionate society. On top of which, people aren't really passionate about democracy anymore. But they sure as hell are passionate about hockey.

I know this makes little sense - or it may make perfect sense.

I feel semi-guilty about the deceipt, but truthfully, I think it was all in good fun, as many people have expressed, they basically thought my stuff was pure BS, but it was fun for discussion, I think at the very least that's what my posting has provided.

I am not Eklund. He really is an idiot. I think. Maybe he'll follow suit and admit he actually knows nothing.

To summarize, my whole experience with Oilfans was in order to have tangible results to prove that Shakespeare characters were more than simply characters, but that they each held representation in society, they were all meant to reflect society at the time, and that his characters were so strongly developed and relevant, that the same would hold true today.

I really do love the forum, and would love to stay on, but understand if I get the boot over all of this.

THis past week was going to be the end, especially with the Smyth trade. It was the hallmark moment within my study, as people were desperate to believe something that they believed it (some, not all) despite the glaring inaccuracies. Wit his trade, it was easy to guage the impact that had on a society when they realized they had beeen led by a fool.

So OGM - you were right all along...

MJ - Thanks for not booting me before this.

Everyone - It was very informative - thank you



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344353 is a reply to message #344352 ]
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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 22:07

Allow me to put the whole Touchstone discussion to rest.

Sadly, it will more than likely end my time on this board.

"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Very poignant - in fact, Touchstone's relevance is how a fool can so easily and more so than that, depended upon to dictate the mood society. He is known as a wise fool, someone who's "opinions" are so profound that they are often misinterpreted as fact.

I do not have sources. Any in fact.

I am working on a study piece that actually has no relevence to hockey, but in fact how Shakespeare's characters are alive and functioning in today's society. I was looking for a forum where a group of people were so passionate about a way of life, that they would be willing to follow the advice, or "information" of a wise fool as long as it could be better than the potential truth.

Oilfans was a perfect forum. At first I wondered if it would work within government, but the implications I thought were too drastic, but it had to be something where I felt I could dictate the mood of a passionate society. On top of which, people aren't really passionate about democracy anymore. But they sure as hell are passionate about hockey.

I know this makes little sense - or it may make perfect sense.

I feel semi-guilty about the deceipt, but truthfully, I think it was all in good fun, as many people have expressed, they basically thought my stuff was pure BS, but it was fun for discussion, I think at the very least that's what my posting has provided.

I am not Eklund. He really is an idiot. I think. Maybe he'll follow suit and admit he actually knows nothing.

To summarize, my whole experience with Oilfans was in order to have tangible results to prove that Shakespeare characters were more than simply characters, but that they each held representation in society, they were all meant to reflect society at the time, and that his characters were so strongly developed and relevant, that the same would hold true today.

I really do love the forum, and would love to stay on, but understand if I get the boot over all of this.

THis past week was going to be the end, especially with the Smyth trade. It was the hallmark moment within my study, as people were desperate to believe something that they believed it (some, not all) despite the glaring inaccuracies. Wit his trade, it was easy to guage the impact that had on a society when they realized they had beeen led by a fool.

So OGM - you were right all along...

MJ - Thanks for not booting me before this.

Everyone - It was very informative - thank you


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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344869 is a reply to message #344353 ]
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WOW!!!

it's like the end of "the prestige!"

i feel like i'm in a movie.



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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:07

Allow me to put the whole Touchstone discussion to rest.

Sadly, it will more than likely end my time on this board.

"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Very poignant - in fact, Touchstone's relevance is how a fool can so easily and more so than that, depended upon to dictate the mood society. He is known as a wise fool, someone who's "opinions" are so profound that they are often misinterpreted as fact.

I do not have sources. Any in fact.

I am working on a study piece that actually has no relevence to hockey, but in fact how Shakespeare's characters are alive and functioning in today's society. I was looking for a forum where a group of people were so passionate about a way of life, that they would be willing to follow the advice, or "information" of a wise fool as long as it could be better than the potential truth.

Oilfans was a perfect forum. At first I wondered if it would work within government, but the implications I thought were too drastic, but it had to be something where I felt I could dictate the mood of a passionate society. On top of which, people aren't really passionate about democracy anymore. But they sure as hell are passionate about hockey.

I know this makes little sense - or it may make perfect sense.

I feel semi-guilty about the deceipt, but truthfully, I think it was all in good fun, as many people have expressed, they basically thought my stuff was pure BS, but it was fun for discussion, I think at the very least that's what my posting has provided.

I am not Eklund. He really is an idiot. I think. Maybe he'll follow suit and admit he actually knows nothing.

To summarize, my whole experience with Oilfans was in order to have tangible results to prove that Shakespeare characters were more than simply characters, but that they each held representation in society, they were all meant to reflect society at the time, and that his characters were so strongly developed and relevant, that the same would hold true today.

I really do love the forum, and would love to stay on, but understand if I get the boot over all of this.

THis past week was going to be the end, especially with the Smyth trade. It was the hallmark moment within my study, as people were desperate to believe something that they believed it (some, not all) despite the glaring inaccuracies. Wit his trade, it was easy to guage the impact that had on a society when they realized they had beeen led by a fool.

So OGM - you were right all along...

MJ - Thanks for not booting me before this.

Everyone - It was very informative - thank you


Hahahaha...that's awesome. I love it.

I hope he doesn't get booted. But I want his name changed to Falstaff.

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You mean we are not trading for Pitkanen??? deadhorse


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The only thing you proved is that you can type messages on a message board. Anyone with half a brain knew you were full of it, so really what did you acomplish ?


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zoo99 wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 11:21

The only thing you proved is that you can type messages on a message board. Anyone with half a brain knew you were full of it, so really what did you acomplish ?


Agreed, it was pretty obvious after about the 2nd or 3rd time taht he was off that he was full of it. Everytime that he said "done deal" or anything along those lines and then nothing happened, it really IMO knocked the credibility of Oilfans even in a rumours board. Have a trade proposal board for guys like TS, I actually know a relative of an Oiler prospect, but I would never give up that contact up due to the fact that I was trusted with that info. At least this crap will come to an end. clapping



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Is this comming from your main source?

Dude that's brilliant, you had some of the more "sheepish" people going on this site. Nicely done. Most of us didn't buy into you, but you really had a solid little following there for a while. I guess you accomplished what you set out to do so good on you.

I for one am glad to get back to being a more credible site. I come here for news on all things NHL, and i appreciate the real rumors that this site used to bring. Touchstone you can use this for your study, i actually quit coming here for a while because i felt there was more B.S. on the site than credible information. But i did come back right before the deadline to check things out.

I'm just glad your done with this so we can all get back to reality here.




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"How I Spent my Hockey Season" by touchstone...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v334/Copperoiler/maze-1.jpg

If I ever meet you I may have to contain the urge to smack the teeth out of your mouth, but that's some brilliant stuff....

just wish you would have chosen CP instead....

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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:07

Allow me to put the whole Touchstone discussion to rest.

Sadly, it will more than likely end my time on this board.

"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Very poignant - in fact, Touchstone's relevance is how a fool can so easily and more so than that, depended upon to dictate the mood society. He is known as a wise fool, someone who's "opinions" are so profound that they are often misinterpreted as fact.

I do not have sources. Any in fact.

I am working on a study piece that actually has no relevence to hockey, but in fact how Shakespeare's characters are alive and functioning in today's society. I was looking for a forum where a group of people were so passionate about a way of life, that they would be willing to follow the advice, or "information" of a wise fool as long as it could be better than the potential truth.

Oilfans was a perfect forum. At first I wondered if it would work within government, but the implications I thought were too drastic, but it had to be something where I felt I could dictate the mood of a passionate society. On top of which, people aren't really passionate about democracy anymore. But they sure as hell are passionate about hockey.

I know this makes little sense - or it may make perfect sense.

I feel semi-guilty about the deceipt, but truthfully, I think it was all in good fun, as many people have expressed, they basically thought my stuff was pure BS, but it was fun for discussion, I think at the very least that's what my posting has provided.

I am not Eklund. He really is an idiot. I think. Maybe he'll follow suit and admit he actually knows nothing.

To summarize, my whole experience with Oilfans was in order to have tangible results to prove that Shakespeare characters were more than simply characters, but that they each held representation in society, they were all meant to reflect society at the time, and that his characters were so strongly developed and relevant, that the same would hold true today.

I really do love the forum, and would love to stay on, but understand if I get the boot over all of this.

THis past week was going to be the end, especially with the Smyth trade. It was the hallmark moment within my study, as people were desperate to believe something that they believed it (some, not all) despite the glaring inaccuracies. Wit his trade, it was easy to guage the impact that had on a society when they realized they had beeen led by a fool.

So OGM - you were right all along...

MJ - Thanks for not booting me before this.

Everyone - It was very informative - thank you


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Well done sir. I wonder if the wild swings in the logic of the content were just a failure to push the right buttons or intentional.


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 So OGM was right all along? [message #344379 is a reply to message #344352 ]
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I'm not sure I approve of any experiment that nets such a result.


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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344385 is a reply to message #344352 ]
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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 16:07

Allow me to put the whole Touchstone discussion to rest.

Sadly, it will more than likely end my time on this board.

"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Very poignant - in fact, Touchstone's relevance is how a fool can so easily and more so than that, depended upon to dictate the mood society. He is known as a wise fool, someone who's "opinions" are so profound that they are often misinterpreted as fact.

I do not have sources. Any in fact.

I am working on a study piece that actually has no relevence to hockey, but in fact how Shakespeare's characters are alive and functioning in today's society. I was looking for a forum where a group of people were so passionate about a way of life, that they would be willing to follow the advice, or "information" of a wise fool as long as it could be better than the potential truth.

Oilfans was a perfect forum. At first I wondered if it would work within government, but the implications I thought were too drastic, but it had to be something where I felt I could dictate the mood of a passionate society. On top of which, people aren't really passionate about democracy anymore. But they sure as hell are passionate about hockey.

I know this makes little sense - or it may make perfect sense.

I feel semi-guilty about the deceipt, but truthfully, I think it was all in good fun, as many people have expressed, they basically thought my stuff was pure BS, but it was fun for discussion, I think at the very least that's what my posting has provided.

I am not Eklund. He really is an idiot. I think. Maybe he'll follow suit and admit he actually knows nothing.

To summarize, my whole experience with Oilfans was in order to have tangible results to prove that Shakespeare characters were more than simply characters, but that they each held representation in society, they were all meant to reflect society at the time, and that his characters were so strongly developed and relevant, that the same would hold true today.

I really do love the forum, and would love to stay on, but understand if I get the boot over all of this.

THis past week was going to be the end, especially with the Smyth trade. It was the hallmark moment within my study, as people were desperate to believe something that they believed it (some, not all) despite the glaring inaccuracies. Wit his trade, it was easy to guage the impact that had on a society when they realized they had beeen led by a fool.

So OGM - you were right all along...

MJ - Thanks for not booting me before this.

Everyone - It was very informative - thank you



I guess that explains why when people challenged you on things you would get all pissed off, throw mini-tirades and write endless posts trying to justify your trade info etc...

Either way I did enjoy reading them, got some good discussions going. I think you were losing people lately saying crazy deals were done and coming up with others that were semi-retarded. Glad you had fun. wave



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344397 is a reply to message #344385 ]
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It's true - I needed to maintain at least a year to have anything worthwhile, anything less would not have proven to have been effective enough.


I tried to throw a combo of irrational ideas and plausible ones, if they were all totally irrational I have would had zero credibility, thus rendering the whole process useless.

While it was not intentional, it was very useful to have so many people disagree with passion and others then defend it with the same passion. That was probably the most poignant aspect of this whole thing. If people wanted to believe something, even if better judgement told them otherwise, they would defend it to the end to keep the "dream alive" - this was very relevant with Bush and Iraq, which is a glorified example of all of this. Bush is the ultimate fool in a position to lead a society. His war was clearly something people knew was not acceptable, but they would stand behind him and justify it in any way possible because they clung to hope instead of plausibility and fact.

I would kick me in the balls too...I understand that the false hope could have been devestating. For others that refused to buy in, it probably didn't matter.

If it's any consolation (probably not) this forum was perfect becasue of the amount of hockey knowledge within it. It wouldn't have worked with a bunch of grade school kids. It might not have worked on other boards. Educated people were key to the whole project.

If I'm still alive on the board, feel free to message me and ask any questions you have, so I don't take up room on the board - if you are interested that is, I would be happy to answer them.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344435 is a reply to message #344397 ]
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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:11

It's true - I needed to maintain at least a year to have anything worthwhile, anything less would not have proven to have been effective enough.




If that is all true I find it interesting on your first big prediction that you stated if it was wrong you would leave the board and would welcome being banned if it did not true. That was the Cujo to Edmonton thing. If the posters and MJ etc... had held you to your word your little experiment would have been over before it had hardly begun.

If it was all an experiment I have to commend you on wasting so much time defending trades, showing a lot of fake passion by getting mad all the time, saying you would go post on other boards etc.., PMing people etc... either you are very dedicated to the experiment or have far too much free time. icon_smile

Personally I take all rumours with a grain of salt but admit I enjoy reading them and discussing them regardless. Every now and then some end up happening, not so much yours (I think you were right on one or two, no?) so once in a while there might be a kernel of truth here or there in some of them.


OilRick wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:49



I did the same thing as you. I posted then read the rest of the posts. Well I would read Touchstones rumors, just as the rumors board was intended, for entertainment purposes. And it was entertaining, especially the Pitkannen one. Man that spread around the hockey world faster then a prairie grass fire.


The Pitakanen rumour originated from a writer at the Philadelphia Inquirer and then got picked up by others. Maybe you are referring to him saying it was a done deal at one point?

[Updated on: Thu, 01 March 2007 16:06]


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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344442 is a reply to message #344435 ]
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Oilerdiehard wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 16:04

touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:11

It's true - I needed to maintain at least a year to have anything worthwhile, anything less would not have proven to have been effective enough.




If that is all true I find it interesting on your first big prediction that you stated if it was wrong you would leave the board and would welcome being banned if it did not true. That was the Cujo to Edmonton thing. If the posters and MJ etc... had held you to your word your little experiment would have been over before it had hardly begun.

If it was all an experiment I have to commend you on wasting so much time defending trades, showing a lot of fake passion by getting mad all the time, saying you would go post on other boards etc.., PMing people etc... either you are very dedicated to the experiment or have far too much free time. icon_smile

Personally I take all rumours with a grain of salt but admit I enjoy reading them and discussing them regardless. Every now and then some end up happening, not so much yours (I think you were right on one or two, no?) so once in a while there might be a kernel of truth here or there in some of them.


OilRick wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 17:49



I did the same thing as you. I posted then read the rest of the posts. Well I would read Touchstones rumors, just as the rumors board was intended, for entertainment purposes. And it was entertaining, especially the Pitkannen one. Man that spread around the hockey world faster then a prairie grass fire.


The Pitakanen rumour originated from a writer at the Philadelphia Inquirer and then got picked up by others. Maybe you are referring to him saying it was a done deal at one point?



Yes I was talking about when he said it was a done deal. I was even pretty excited, I thought we had him. Usually when KLowe goes after someone he usually gets them.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344445 is a reply to message #344435 ]
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The Cujo thing was perhaps the biggest test of the whole thing, and its only mistake was that it came to early, but truthfully it was also the best part.

Did you not find it interesting that after the statement being proven false that people still had Touchstone's back? People were willing to write off suc ha bold prediction and statement. Again, I compare to Bush. Even after the war was proven to have begun under false pretense, people would defend it regardless, becasue ideas and dreams are perhaps more important than fact.

If I had not defended the claims I was making and defended myself against people, it may not have worked as well. People had to believe that at the very least I believed what I was saying if I was going to have any hope of other people believing what I was saying. Rolling over and taking it would have been a clear indication that I was not passionate, I did not care and that I was probably making things up for the sake of discussion, and not becasue i had "sources".

I understand all the questions and that is why I have no problem answering them. But think about the scenarios I presented and then consider their relevance.

I find it almost laughable (at myself, not others) that I am actualyl currently defending being a fake, when I had to spend to much time defending myself as being credible...

Too funny.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344454 is a reply to message #344397 ]
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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344395 is a reply to message #344352 ]
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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 14:07

Allow me to put the whole Touchstone discussion to rest.

Sadly, it will more than likely end my time on this board.

"Touchstone is the name of the fool or jester character in Shakespeare's play As You Like It."

Very poignant - in fact, Touchstone's relevance is how a fool can so easily and more so than that, depended upon to dictate the mood society. He is known as a wise fool, someone who's "opinions" are so profound that they are often misinterpreted as fact.

I do not have sources. Any in fact.

I am working on a study piece that actually has no relevence to hockey, but in fact how Shakespeare's characters are alive and functioning in today's society. I was looking for a forum where a group of people were so passionate about a way of life, that they would be willing to follow the advice, or "information" of a wise fool as long as it could be better than the potential truth.

Oilfans was a perfect forum. At first I wondered if it would work within government, but the implications I thought were too drastic, but it had to be something where I felt I could dictate the mood of a passionate society. On top of which, people aren't really passionate about democracy anymore. But they sure as hell are passionate about hockey.

I know this makes little sense - or it may make perfect sense.

I feel semi-guilty about the deceipt, but truthfully, I think it was all in good fun, as many people have expressed, they basically thought my stuff was pure BS, but it was fun for discussion, I think at the very least that's what my posting has provided.

I am not Eklund. He really is an idiot. I think. Maybe he'll follow suit and admit he actually knows nothing.

To summarize, my whole experience with Oilfans was in order to have tangible results to prove that Shakespeare characters were more than simply characters, but that they each held representation in society, they were all meant to reflect society at the time, and that his characters were so strongly developed and relevant, that the same would hold true today.

I really do love the forum, and would love to stay on, but understand if I get the boot over all of this.

THis past week was going to be the end, especially with the Smyth trade. It was the hallmark moment within my study, as people were desperate to believe something that they believed it (some, not all) despite the glaring inaccuracies. Wit his trade, it was easy to guage the impact that had on a society when they realized they had beeen led by a fool.

So OGM - you were right all along...

MJ - Thanks for not booting me before this.

Everyone - It was very informative - thank you


I understand your goals, but I think you should've let MJ in on your plan. It would've been the proper thing to do, I think. He could've decided if he wanted OF to be part of your experiment or not.



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 Re: The rule for all should be... [message #344402 is a reply to message #344395 ]
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This is the one area that I considered throughout the process, and upon reflection might have liked to have done. But truthfully, MJ's lack of knowledge was very important as well, as he had the oppurtunity to end Touchstone and chose not to.

And MJ is one of the more knowledgable people on the site, thus is an extremely effective piece to the puzzle, so personally I would have liked to, but I think it probably would have hurt the process.



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touchstone wrote on Thu, 01 March 2007 15:14

This is the one area that I considered throughout the process, and upon reflection might have liked to have done. But truthfully, MJ's lack of knowledge was very important as well, as he had the oppurtunity to end Touchstone and chose not to.

And MJ is one of the more knowledgable people on the site, thus is an extremely effective piece to the puzzle, so personally I would have liked to, but I think it probably would have hurt the process.


Plus, when MJ gets drunk he tells secrets like a slovenian porn star.



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If Touchstone is telling the truth and he really was an experiment, I'm throwing my hat in the ring to become the new official rumour maker uper on Oilfans. I've got a creative writer inside me just waiting to bust out.


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