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Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828833]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:30

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828837 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:45

Iamheretoday
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Congrats to Tardigardi(sp) for the awesome prediction. Great game and they look like a serious playoff team.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828838 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:45

Kr55
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Another sweet comeback win. Win record extended to 11.

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- Lowe, 2013

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828839 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:46

smyth260
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What a game. Team is playing with one thousand percent confidence.

Without a doubt the best stretch of Oilers hockey I’ve seen in my life.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828841 is a reply to message #828839 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:50

watchman
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Skinner and the emergence of McLeod bode well for the OIL... if Holloway comes back with confidence??? (looks at Connor Brown)

And 97 did all of the dirty work on 71's goal.

...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828842 is a reply to message #828841 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:51

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“This is cinema.” - Martin Scorsese

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828843 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:52

Suomalainen
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That was fun

97.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828844 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Tue, 16 January 2024 21:58

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What the hell is going on here?

Whooooooo!

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828851 is a reply to message #828844 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 00:11

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 04:58

What the hell is going on here?

Whooooooo!

That’s how it’s done

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828852 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 00:19

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Moved even with LA at 9 games over. Actually ahead of them slightly in points percentage due to playing 1 less game.

[Updated on: Wed, 17 January 2024 05:06]

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828853 is a reply to message #828852 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 05:05

Leia
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Just finished watching the game (I'm not watching live till this run ends), that was fun. Loved the chanting between the fans. I know it's rare that a road team has so many watching them in NA due to the travel issues, but hearing each fans going at it and making Rogers come alive rather than being a library was fun. Again I know it isn't part of NA fan culture to have fans chanting much, but it does enhance the atmosphere in the arena.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828857 is a reply to message #828853 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 08:41

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Leia wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 05:05

I love an electric crowd and although I hate the fact it takes the Leafs fans trying to take over or barn, I do wish we would bring that energy to more games.

It might be more of a Canadian thing. It is like we go to the game and treat the experience like a visit to the museum. We watch, we appreciate, we sit on our hands unless we score a goal, there is a big hit or a fight. I was at Madison Square Gardens a few years back and the crowd involvement was much better, and it had nothing to do with the in-house presentation. The fans all had their goal chants and songs. Carolina stands for large chunks of a game (god forbid someone leans forward in their seats at Rogers). Nashville has a fan site that creates some of their jeers and 'Paul' plays a large part of the entertainment. Multiple teams have fans singing old rock/pop songs. We just do not know how to express ourselves when we are having fun.

Canada's lack of flamboyance is extremely impressive considering the copious amount of alcohol we consume during 3 periods of hockey.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828858 is a reply to message #828857 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 08:48

RDOilerfan
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Extremely entertaining game. I thought the Oilers came out a little loose in the first 5 mins. Gave up the early goal, the Leafs hit a post then it clicked in to the Oilers playing run and gun gets them in trouble and they went back to playing their game and eventually won.

They weren't as clean with the puck like they normally are, Skinner was there when called upon but I thought they get full marks for the win. 11 in a freaking row!!

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828859 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 08:53

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McDavid was a physical force out there. That was playoff Connor.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828863 is a reply to message #828857 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 09:35

JPro
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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 08:41

I think our reserved approach makes it even more special when we go crazy over a late game goal or epic win.

I've experienced some pretty wild crowds at sporting events in other countries/cities and I gotta say....I would not be a fan of that full time. Playoffs, of course, but a January game? Meh.

I know I'm in the minority when it comes to that stuff though. Like with concerts, I absolutely can not stand listening to other people sing when I'm trying to enjoy a live performance. The standing too. I paid for this seat - sit down and and shut tf up. icon_lol

I'm trying to enjoy listening to this live version of my favorite music! icon_wink

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828864 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

smyth260
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It’s crazy that despite winning 8 in a row and 11 in a row we are just holdong onto a Wildcard spot. Yes, 4 games in hand on lots of teams but these games coming up against the Kraken and Flames are huge.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828865 is a reply to message #828864 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 10:42

inverno76
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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

They are all huge.

Aside from us playing extremely well right now, one our best indicators for success in upcoming games is our schedule. No back-to-backs until Feb 9/10 vs the Ducks and Kings, and only Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday games until the All Star break.

we need to expect a loss in the near future, but there is no reason why this team cannot continue to run at a great pace until then. Seattle, Calgary, CBJ, Hawks and Preds lead us up to the break. Realistically all are winnable games and beating Columbus and the hawks should almost be a certainty. Hard to imagine us dropping all 3 games to the Kraken, Flames and Nashville.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828866 is a reply to message #828864 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 10:49

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

It's the OT loser point working it's magic to keep the standings tighter than they should be.

Kings have 50 pts, 8 of them are OT loser points.
Flames have 47 pts, 5 of them are OT loser points.
Kraken have 47 pts, 9 of them are OT loser points.

Knights have 55 pts, 5 are OT loser points.

Oilers have 49 pts, 1 is an OT loser point.

So if the NHL counted an OT loss as a loss and didn't reward the team for losing in OT like I think they need to stop, the standings would be:

Canucks 58
Knights 50
Oilers 48
Kings 42
Flames 42
Kraken 38

Big difference. That's why the Oilers run is so incredible to make up as much ground as they did so fast because the NHL is designed to make it extremely hard to make up points.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828867 is a reply to message #828865 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 10:54

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 10:42

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

I thought there was an outside chance but realistically, I didn't think the Oilers would win every game in January. I thought they would probably go 9-2 or 8-3 looking at the schedule. However, I had the Leafs game as a game they would probably lose. Just because the Leafs seem to have the Oilers number and the Oilers tend to try to play run and gun. So now, looking at the schedule, winning all 5 is maybe not realistic but for sure 4 of them.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828869 is a reply to message #828864 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 11:09

Kr55
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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

Won 8 in a row too. I think 19 wins in 22 games? That was quite the hole this team dug trying to master the art of "zone defense" after coaches being mind-f'd by Vegas, lol. Oh and our clinically depressive goalie doing his thing and possibly depressing our other guy too.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828870 is a reply to message #828865 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 11:45

Suomalainen
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The Saturday Game against Calgary will be crazier than normal if this team takes care of business against the Kraken tomorrow.

Feels like an old school BoA could be in the cards, because no way the Flames want to be the 13th in a row.

97.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828871 is a reply to message #828863 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 12:35

inverno76
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JPro wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:35

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 08:41

I'm trying to enjoy listening to this live version of my favorite music! icon_wink

It's the old man in me.

Jason Strudwick .... is that you?

Lol. I also would not want it crazy for a whole game either, but as a fan who who was lucky enough to experience a playoff game once in my life .... I'd like that feeling more often. For lots of fans going to a game is a rarity, and most likely thousands in attendance at each game will only see one live NHL game in their lifetime. I would love our barn to be more fun and less about the tshirt toss.

FYI .. I say this and yet I despise the wave.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828872 is a reply to message #828869 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 12:38

inverno76
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 11:09

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

They have found a vaccine for Campbell'itis. Skinner recovered and now Rodrigue is prospering in the AHL even though Jack still has not found consistency in the minors.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828873 is a reply to message #828872 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 13:59

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 12:38

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 11:09

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

They have found a vaccine for Campbell'itis. Skinner recovered and now Rodrigue is prospering in the AHL even though Jack still has not found consistency in the minors.

Skinner hasn't just recovered, he's playing Vezina level of hockey right now. If the Oilers don't collapse down the stretch he deserves to win. Even with the garbage start he's now 5th in wins and 7th in starts. I don't understand goaltending well enough to understand why I'm seeing this, but I know I'm watching something amazing.

His game sv% over the last 8 starts (all wins) have been:

.926
.958
.962
.967
.946
.929
1.00
.912

That's ridiculous. Short of a Brian ~~Bouchard~~ Boucher miracle 5 straight shut out run, there is nothing more anyone could ask of this guy. Hellebuyck and Daccord have given their teams similar otherworldly production lately.

[Updated on: Wed, 17 January 2024 14:01]

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828874 is a reply to message #828866 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 14:26

Adam
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 10:49

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

There's just no point doing a bunch of calculations on what would be if the league had a different method for distributing points. The current system, like it or not, is the system that we play in. There is a slight advantage to Wins and another to Regulation and Overtime wins, as those are the critical categories in deciding tie-breakers, so the Oilers are doing well to win more of their games ahead of the shootout, but there's no point in spending much time talking about how we'd be so much further ahead if there was no extra point, because it isn't going away, especially not this year.

The Oilers have put themselves in a position where they could conceivably catch Los Angeles and Las Vegas (who just lost Jack Eichel for a few weeks) by the end of January, but we still need to keep winning games. We dug a very deep hole early in the year, and that is the bigger issue for us in the standings, as opposed to extra points for losing in OT or winning in shootouts.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828875 is a reply to message #828873 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 14:40

Adam
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 13:59

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 12:38

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 11:09

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

They have found a vaccine for Campbell'itis. Skinner recovered and now Rodrigue is prospering in the AHL even though Jack still has not found consistency in the minors.

Honestly, I'm worried about this. Skinner is playing very well and we've won a couple of games even when our scoring wasn't getting it done. That's great and not taking anything away from Skinner over that stretch.

However, there is a danger here that this will lead Holland to believe that the goaltending box has been checked. The Oilers are often fooled by small sample sizes, and they should not look at the recent stretch as verification that Stuart has just learned and got overnight better, and that he won't again play like he did in last year's playoffs or at the start of this year.

We need an insurance policy. I'm not sure that the Oilers are going to understand this though, and it will not shock me at all if our tandem in the post-season now is Skinner/Picard or even Skinner/Campbell.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828876 is a reply to message #828873 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 14:41

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 13:59

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 12:38

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 11:09

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 09:59

They have found a vaccine for Campbell'itis. Skinner recovered and now Rodrigue is prospering in the AHL even though Jack still has not found consistency in the minors.

The Oilers overall are doing a way, way better job of cutting down the high end chances. They gave a few more than normal good chances last night but generally over the last couple of months, they don't give teams very many good looks. Which is exactly how they are supposed to play.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828877 is a reply to message #828873 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 14:51

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For sure it’s something amazing. Which is why all this talk of the Oilers pivoting and now prioritizing forward help scares me. We have to expect some goaltending regression or worse yet injury, and the Oilers have to plan for this. Betting on a Pickard Skinner tandem in the playoffs because of a competent few months of hockey is poor planning. A run of bad goaltending at the wrong time can quickly sink a team and we need a better relief option than Pickard.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828878 is a reply to message #828875 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 14:53

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 14:40

The goaltending box has been checked. Skinner is playing like prime Hasek and Pickard has played well enough not to force them to try someone else. Maybe they make a trade for a tender before the deadline 6 weeks from now, but I don't see it as enough time to test the guy out. In Skinner we trust.

Pointless story: I traded Logan Cooley for Skinner 12 games into the season. It is the best fantasy trade I've ever made. My goalie box has been checked in permanent ink.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828879 is a reply to message #828877 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 15:47

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 14:51

Because Vegas knew without a shadow of a doubt that career back up Hill would suddenly go all world and help win them the cup? They were so sure on Hill, they started Brossoit to end the season and through the playoffs until he got hurt against the Oilers and were forced to play Hill.

There is zero guarantee that any goalie they bring, assuming they could get one given the limited supply and the need by many teams, will play better than who they got. As Vegas proved, goaltending is a crap shoot and if you play good defense in front of a goalie, you can elevate an average goalie.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828880 is a reply to message #828833 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 16:17

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What an epic run they are on. And it's not due to an explosive PP or entirely on the back of 97 & 29. Depth is a huge part of it. And rarely getting scored on more than twice per game has been quite refreshing.

Oilers might have a good coach behind the bench. His subtle tweaks seem to pay nice dividends at times. Could we have a coach that can adjust in the middle of a 7 game series now? It's quite possible.

Limecat Likey. Bring on the Kraken..

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828881 is a reply to message #828879 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 16:18

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Vegas is the worst team you could pick to make your point.

If Brossoit didn’t work out, they had Hill. If Hill didn’t work out, they had Quick. They didn’t know who would work out but they made small bets on goalies who had a chance. They are precisely a team that wanted insurance in the net, and won a cup because of it.

So if Skinner loses a knee after the deadline you are cool with handing one of the last potential McDavid Draisaitl seasons to career AHL goalie Calvin Pickard?

[Updated on: Wed, 17 January 2024 16:20]

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828882 is a reply to message #828879 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 16:26

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 15:47

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 14:51

Vegas had 6 goalies last year for exactly this reason. No, they didn't know Hill would win them the cup, but they knew they couldn't waste time with guys who wouldn't. The Oilers should bring in a 4th option because no one knows if any of Skinner, Pickard, or Rodrigues can do it.

On that note, Campbell has won his last two AHL games only giving up two goals in each. Who doesn't love a good redemption story?

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828883 is a reply to message #828881 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 16:38

RDOilerfan
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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 16:18

They got Rodrique in the minors lighting the world on fire. Could he do it? Not sure but he might.

I am not sure he can, but could Campbell get hot for a short stretch? Maybe, he's done it before.

Are we so sure Pickard can't do it? The Oilers are proving all they need is mediocre goaltending and they can win games. Is Pickard giving him average goaltending? Yes he is.

Name a team that is 4 or 5 deep for sure qualified NHL goalies? Most teams have 2 if they are lucky then a bunch of maybe's.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828884 is a reply to message #828882 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 16:43

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 15:47

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 14:51

Who's that goalie they should bring in? There is what, a couple of guys that maybe are available?

I heard goalie analyst Kevin Woodley say on Gregor's show that Pickards underlying numbers are actually quite good compared to other back ups. So who's that forsure extra goalie that is available?

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828885 is a reply to message #828877 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 18:43

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 14:51

Definitely need a good backup at the least. Would love to see an alternate universe where we bring Campbell back and see what happens. I think in all of Campbell's time here we only ever at best had one goalie playing OK and the other was a disaster, and for lots of the time both were disasters. Skinner/Pickard may be the only time in the last 2 seasons where we had both goalies actually playing well.

But you never know when Skinner will hit a rut. And all hopes on Pickard or even a Campbell call up if we are desperate could lead to another disaster in net.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828886 is a reply to message #828884 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 22:05

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 16:43

I'd look at Buffalo and Montreal to start. Montreal is obvious, they have a three headed monster. Buffalo is kind of like the Oilers. They're a dumb franchise that keeps seeing their players not find their potential. Obviously I certainly don't know that Dustin Tokarski is the certified guaranteed extra goalie that's available. Just like I don't know that second year Skinner is that guy either.

Not that I think goalie depth will be a deadline priority. Feels like they're priming the pump for a forward like Perry and a Ceci replacement.

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828887 is a reply to message #828883 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 22:41

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 15:38

Name a team that is 4 or 5 deep for sure qualified NHL goalies? Most teams have 2 if they are lucky then a bunch of maybe's.

Do you really want the Oilers to be like most teams, or do you want the Oilers to be the best team?

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Toronto @ Edmonton (Game #40) [message #828888 is a reply to message #828887 ]	Wed, 17 January 2024 23:59

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 22:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 15:38

Name a team that is 4 or 5 deep for sure qualified NHL goalies? Most teams have 2 if they are lucky then a bunch of maybe's.

Do you really want the Oilers to be like most teams, or do you want the Oilers to be the best team?

That, and the Oilers have only "maybes". We've seen Skinner absolutely fold under the pressure of the playoffs when a team built a bit of a book on him. He was just dreadful last year and we won a round in spite of him. He's had a great streak here, but if you're running a professional sports team, you can't fall victim to recency bias. All we've seen from Stu is streaky play, and you get on the bad streak at the wrong time and it is fatal.

Pickard is 31, has 123 NHL games to his name and is right on his career average (.902 compared to .903 over the career). He's adequate at best. The Oilers have seen a playoff run go sideways on a goalie injury before, and we've seen the team win a Cup when you have a very capable backup who can step in. We don't have that right now.

Pickard is, really, a stop-gap at best. He's a minor leaguer. Jack Campbell isn't someone I ever want to see manning the crease for us again. Even the games he won in the playoffs last year he looked completely erratic, and gave no confidence. And even if he IS the goalie of the future, the Oilers wouldn't play a rookie goalie unless the three guys in front of him all got hurt. And even then they might try to get Ron Low to play a couple games first.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 23:59

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 22:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 January 2024 15:38

Name a team that is 4 or 5 deep for sure qualified NHL goalies? Most teams have 2 if they are lucky then a bunch of maybe's.

Do you really want the Oilers to be like most teams, or do you want the Oilers to be the best team?

Every pundit is saying that we will acquiring an NHL goalie at the deadline. My concern is if you wait too long then you are stuck with the leftovers, and even the main course is shoddy at best. My list would be short, Blackwood, Mrazek, Ingram or maybe Kahkonen or Forsberg? It is a tough place to make an upgrade on goaltending when the market is super thin.

MAF is likely not going to move and has publicly stated he wants to remain in Minny.
Elvis is expensive has term, a M-NTC and CBJ would need to take back Campbell.
Reimer and Allen are lateral moves and Allen is expensive.
Gibson (M-NTC) will be expensive, carries term and will want to start the majority of the games.
Saros is a pipe dream and it then what do you do about Skinner?
Vladar is sketchy and Calgary would be reluctant to move him at regular value.
Markstrom might be available next year.

It will be a tricky position to move on and I doubt Oilers fans will be happy with any move we make, including moving Campbell in a deal.

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