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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821686 is a reply to message #821685 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 18:20

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:16

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.

Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.

Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.

Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.

Honestly, I don't think hockey is for you. Claiming the games are rigged is absurd. You don't have to like the NHL and how it operates, but this whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821687 is a reply to message #821686 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 18:36

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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:16

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.

Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.

Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.

Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.

Honestly, I don't think hockey is for you. Claiming the games are rigged is absurd. You don't have to like the NHL and how it operates, but this whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821688 is a reply to message #821686 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 18:43

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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:16

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 17:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:45

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 16:39

I’m starting to loathe the term “game management” as it implies there’s an impartial 3rd party element to the game that has to be appeased for a positive outcome. Refs should be respected, but what they think of a team or player should have zero influence on game events.

I don’t even think this is about playing nice to the stripes, this is just giving beneficial treatment to the team that the league feels has bigger financial benefits to advancing. And they use the slightest provocation on one side, and overlook obvious acts on the other.

If they gave Kane a borderline penalty because of a chirp, that’s game management. Systemically and consistently penalizing one team while ignoring instances of the other is game rigging.

Good point.
That's why I prefer to refer to it as score management, or outcome management.. aka rigged.
Also tired of the term.. "missed" call.. or "blown" call as an explanation, implies an unintentional error in judgement.

Exactly. “Game management” is putting a sugar coating on rigging the game so mentally people go along with accepting it as part of the game’s culture and rules. It’s not. It’s corruption. It’s a cancer that eats at the sport’s soul. And we shouldn’t tolerate it, nor accept it.

Also, beyond just corruption of the game.. there are now huge legal liabilities associated with this due to the massive NHL promotion of Sports Betting.. that's people's real money being affected.

Honestly, I don't think hockey is for you. Claiming the games are rigged is absurd. You don't have to like the NHL and how it operates, but this whole line of thinking is completely ridiculous.

Do you feel games are being called fairly and unbiased? That the play on the ice 100% dictated the game outcome?

Kesler falling on goalie, Makar redefining offside on the fly, last night. We aren’t talking one off events here.

I don’t think there’s a council of elders dictating the Oilers should lose.

But I think the officiating is more than happy to lean the odd decision in favour of a potentially larger US market. And even in the small amount, it’s corrupt.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821689 is a reply to message #821688 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 19:27

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nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 18:43

Do you feel games are being called fairly and unbiased? That the play on the ice 100% dictated the game outcome?

Kesler falling on goalie, Makar redefining offside on the fly, last night. We aren’t talking one off events here.

I don’t think there’s a council of elders dictating the Oilers should lose.

But I think the officiating is more than happy to lean the odd decision in favour of a potentially larger US market. And even in the small amount, it’s corrupt.

You can't have it both ways. If you see a pattern of calls against your team that can't be blamed by simple incompetence, bad luck, or your own personal biased view (which as a fan you're entitled to have) then it has to be the council of elders dictating outcomes. Otherwise it is just simple incompetence, bad luck, or your own personal bias coming through.

For what it's worth I do think games are reffed fairly and the play on the ice determines the result. Including last night.

I also think the big revenue Oilers, who have the best player in the world, had their fans become emotionally invested in this season thanks to an amazing year end run and now that they're dealing with a difficult playoff matchup, that went to 7 games last year. they're starting to worry and lashing out.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821690 is a reply to message #821689 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 21:20

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If you think the game was fairly officiated, then we’re just not gonna have a common ground to settle on.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821691 is a reply to message #821690 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 21:28

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nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 21:20

If you think the game was fairly officiated, then we’re just not gonna have a common ground to settle on.

Likewise if you think Gary is handing out scripts to the refs in the locker room before the game, we're not going to find common ground. It wasn't a well reffed game, but it wasn't unfair. Seems like we all have to pick one of the two options.

Like I said, if you truly think the games are rigged this sport isn't for you.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821692 is a reply to message #821691 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 22:10

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CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 20:28

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 21:20

If you think the game was fairly officiated, then we’re just not gonna have a common ground to settle on.

Likewise if you think Gary is handing out scripts to the refs in the locker room before the game, we're not going to find common ground. It wasn't a well reffed game, but it wasn't unfair. Seems like we all have to pick one of the two options.

Like I said, if you truly think the games are rigged this sport isn't for you.

It’s a great sport when officials aren’t unfairly influencing the outcomes, or becoming the story ahead of the two teams that are playing the game.

And as I stated, I don’t think Uncle Gary is handing out scripts. But I also can’t ignore the fact the Kings are getting preferential treatment from the officials.

When Klim is hauled down by a King and he gets a holding penalty, but a King stands over McDavid holding him down without a call… I can’t ignore that. Not the wicked two handed slash on McDavid that ended with him on the ground that was a no call.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821693 is a reply to message #821692 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 22:15

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Also, Drai also never slashed Doughty after the McDavid goal. But was still given a penalty.

https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1649618503601889280?s=46& amp; amp;t=DKvfit-43PJ2gpC0xCAMGA

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821694 is a reply to message #821693 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 22:20

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nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 22:15

Also, Drai also never slashed Doughty after the McDavid goal. But was still given a penalty.

https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1649618503601889280?s=46& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;t=DKvfit-43PJ2gpC0xCAMGA

Just saw this. I was always wondering why Doughty never reacted at all. It's because he wasn't even touched.

That's one of the worse examples of game management I have ever seen. Panicky refs freaking out about giving us 2 goals with 2 PP's just desperately looking for anything to call.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821695 is a reply to message #821693 ]	Sat, 22 April 2023 23:33

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nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 21:15

Also, Drai also never slashed Doughty after the McDavid goal. But was still given a penalty.

https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1649618503601889280?s=46& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;t=DKvfit-43PJ2gpC0xCAMGA

I have that video clip up above as a gif.. you know it wasn't a slash because Doughty didn't even turn his head to acknowledge it.

Regarding the bias.. if the dice keep rolling snake-eyes roll after roll .. defying standard probability.. you don't need to know how the dice are loaded to know they're loaded.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821696 is a reply to message #821695 ]	Sun, 23 April 2023 00:04

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 23:33

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 21:15

Also, Drai also never slashed Doughty after the McDavid goal. But was still given a penalty.

https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1649618503601889280?s=46& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;t=DKvfit-43PJ2gpC0xCAMGA

I have that video clip up above as a gif.. you know it wasn't a slash because Doughty didn't even turn his head to acknowledge it.

Regarding the bias.. if the dice keep rolling snake-eyes roll after roll .. defying standard probability.. you don't need to know how the dice are loaded to know they're loaded.

Refs can just make up a penalty call out of thin air like that for game management and totally f a game up. But the league can't just use simple reason that as a puck is going through the air it is 99% likely that the stick caused it to not only change the direction it was moving, but also completely change how it's rotating because they are too scared to affect the game.

That's the NHL. And they seem to REALLY REALLY not want people to take it seriously.

We are definitely not alone, many fan bases have to see stupid stuff that makes no sense and leave the playoffs feeling like their team was scammed. Almost everyone sees the stupid game management garbage refs do and understand that the rules are just arbitrary and mainly exist to give reasons for the refs to make excuses to make calls when they feel the time is right (based on whatever dumb calculation is going on in their head, juggling factors like how to manufacture "fairness", how annoyed they are with one side, etc...). This league is just not able to figure it out.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821898 is a reply to message #821696 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 08:21

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 April 2023 00:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 23:33

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 21:15

Also, Drai also never slashed Doughty after the McDavid goal. But was still given a penalty.

https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1649618503601889280?s=46& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;t=DKvfit-43PJ2gpC0xCAMGA

I have that video clip up above as a gif.. you know it wasn't a slash because Doughty didn't even turn his head to acknowledge it.

Regarding the bias.. if the dice keep rolling snake-eyes roll after roll .. defying standard probability.. you don't need to know how the dice are loaded to know they're loaded.

Refs can just make up a penalty call out of thin air like that for game management and totally f a game up. But the league can't just use simple reason that as a puck is going through the air it is 99% likely that the stick caused it to not only change the direction it was moving, but also completely change how it's rotating because they are too scared to affect the game.

That's the NHL. And they seem to REALLY REALLY not want people to take it seriously.

We are definitely not alone, many fan bases have to see stupid stuff that makes no sense and leave the playoffs feeling like their team was scammed. Almost everyone sees the stupid game management garbage refs do and understand that the rules are just arbitrary and mainly exist to give reasons for the refs to make excuses to make calls when they feel the time is right (based on whatever dumb calculation is going on in their head, juggling factors like how to manufacture "fairness", how annoyed they are with one side, etc...). This league is just not able to figure it out.

This is really concerning when the NHL seems joined at the hip with online gambling ventures.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821901 is a reply to message #821898 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 08:34

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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 08:21

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 23 April 2023 00:04

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 23:33

nullterm wrote on Sat, 22 April 2023 21:15

Also, Drai also never slashed Doughty after the McDavid goal. But was still given a penalty.

https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1649618503601889280?s=46& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;t=DKvfit-43PJ2gpC0xCAMGA

I have that video clip up above as a gif.. you know it wasn't a slash because Doughty didn't even turn his head to acknowledge it.

Regarding the bias.. if the dice keep rolling snake-eyes roll after roll .. defying standard probability.. you don't need to know how the dice are loaded to know they're loaded.

Refs can just make up a penalty call out of thin air like that for game management and totally f a game up. But the league can't just use simple reason that as a puck is going through the air it is 99% likely that the stick caused it to not only change the direction it was moving, but also completely change how it's rotating because they are too scared to affect the game.

That's the NHL. And they seem to REALLY REALLY not want people to take it seriously.

We are definitely not alone, many fan bases have to see stupid stuff that makes no sense and leave the playoffs feeling like their team was scammed. Almost everyone sees the stupid game management garbage refs do and understand that the rules are just arbitrary and mainly exist to give reasons for the refs to make excuses to make calls when they feel the time is right (based on whatever dumb calculation is going on in their head, juggling factors like how to manufacture "fairness", how annoyed they are with one side, etc...). This league is just not able to figure it out.

This is really concerning when the NHL seems joined at the hip with online gambling ventures.

Think those same turd refs just went and make a joke of the Dallas/Minny game to get that series back to 2-2. Couple total phantom calls on Minny to help Dallas get the win.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821924 is a reply to message #821598 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 11:27

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I do not believe in a league wide conspiracy to keep Canadian teams down.

I do believe we have a systematic refereeing issue that is not going away. They are having difficulty finding kids to ref atom and midget games right now. I do not know if it's terrible hockey parents scaring kids away, or they do a poor job marketing it to young players as a way to make some extra cash and have a legitimate chance to make it to higher levels of hockey.

What I do know is that far too many parents and minor league coaches are jerkoffs, and with no feeder system we are going to keep getting inexperienced washed up AHL'ers who can skate like the wind, but have limited in-game experience.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821930 is a reply to message #821924 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 12:20

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 11:27

I do not believe in a league wide conspiracy to keep Canadian teams down.

I do believe we have a systematic refereeing issue that is not going away. They are having difficulty finding kids to ref atom and midget games right now. I do not know if it's terrible hockey parents scaring kids away, or they do a poor job marketing it to young players as a way to make some extra cash and have a legitimate chance to make it to higher levels of hockey.

What I do know is that far too many parents and minor league coaches are jerkoffs, and with no feeder system we are going to keep getting inexperienced washed up AHL'ers who can skate like the wind, but have limited in-game experience.

I think that the difficulties in developing officials is absolutely part of the problem, but I think there's some systemic issues with the NHL specifically. For whatever reason, the people who run the league feel that hockey is made better by allowing teams to impede their stars. Where other sports like basketball may go too far the other direction and defer too much to their star players, in the NHL we regularly see teams resort to just hanging off star players in the post-season. That that isn't called is a league decision, not just a referee decision. We saw last night McDavid get literally punched in the face, right in front of a referee, with no call at all. No matter the feeder system, that should be a penalty, but the league has told refs that they don't want the games all decided on the powerplay so they overlook infractions. I think it's amplified in Edmonton because that powerplay is so good that the refs feel they are almost awarding us a goal every time they raise their arm.

I would prefer to see the refs asked to continue to call obvious infractions and not to look for chances to even things up if they've made a couple calls one way. I'd also be clear that if there's a dive caught, it won't likely be a coincidental penalty but rather just the diver going to the box. There's still too much embellishment, and I think the fact that when they call dives, they usually still call the other infraction is part of that problem. It's still low-risk for the diver...at worst they are 4-on-4.

Until the league decides that they're okay with a first round where some team gets repeatedly dinged for penalties until they learn better, we're going to see this again and again every year. It's too fine a line that the league wants the referees to walk otherwise.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821946 is a reply to message #821930 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

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Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821947 is a reply to message #821946 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 13:58

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Or even in one ref, from the start to the finish of a game.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821951 is a reply to message #821946 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821959 is a reply to message #821951 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821963 is a reply to message #821959 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 15:42

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Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

And initially I thought it was a gifted penalty until I saw the replay today without the beer goggles. Definite can opener.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821964 is a reply to message #821963 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 15:44

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:42

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

And initially I thought it was a gifted penalty until I saw the replay today without the beer goggles. Definite can opener.

Even pulls his stick upward as the blade is stuck against Drai's right foot.

Yet I remain surprised the refs called it :) Just luck I guess that the ref was paying attention at the right thing at that moment.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821966 is a reply to message #821964 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 15:51

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:44

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:42

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

And initially I thought it was a gifted penalty until I saw the replay today without the beer goggles. Definite can opener.

Even pulls his stick upward as the blade is stuck against Drai's right foot.

Yet I remain surprised the refs called it :) Just luck I guess that the ref was paying attention at the right thing at that moment.

That's only the second call though.

The overtime penalty was the straight cross-check from behind that put Bouchard face-first in to the boards.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821967 is a reply to message #821964 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 15:53

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:44

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:42

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

And initially I thought it was a gifted penalty until I saw the replay today without the beer goggles. Definite can opener.

Even pulls his stick upward as the blade is stuck against Drai's right foot.

Yet I remain surprised the refs called it :) Just luck I guess that the ref was paying attention at the right thing at that moment.

It was a trip or interference or whatever a guy wants to call it, it just wasn't as horrible as other ones that got let go on both sides. But considering a few mins earlier, Byfield popped McD in the face with his gloves and no call, I think it was even.

Considering how horrendous game 3 was, last nights game and game 1, wasn't that bad. I will give the panel props, they haven't held back with how much of a trash call the missed high stick was.

I would love if the league had the balls to admit it was wrong. Nothing they can do about it after the game is over but at least admit it was a mistake to try to show you want to be better. So many media, fans, panelists, everyone say it was the wrong call and have evidence to show it was, man up and admit you made a mistake. But this is the NHL, they are never wrong.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821969 is a reply to message #821967 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 16:06

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:53

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:44

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:42

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

And initially I thought it was a gifted penalty until I saw the replay today without the beer goggles. Definite can opener.

Even pulls his stick upward as the blade is stuck against Drai's right foot.

Yet I remain surprised the refs called it :) Just luck I guess that the ref was paying attention at the right thing at that moment.

It was a trip or interference or whatever a guy wants to call it, it just wasn't as horrible as other ones that got let go on both sides. But considering a few mins earlier, Byfield popped McD in the face with his gloves and no call, I think it was even.

Considering how horrendous game 3 was, last nights game and game 1, wasn't that bad. I will give the panel props, they haven't held back with how much of a trash call the missed high stick was.

I would love if the league had the balls to admit it was wrong. Nothing they can do about it after the game is over but at least admit it was a mistake to try to show you want to be better. So many media, fans, panelists, everyone say it was the wrong call and have evidence to show it was, man up and admit you made a mistake. But this is the NHL, they are never wrong.

Apology would be nice. Think the NHL just swept under the rug that missed high stick leading to a huge OT winner. All Oilers fans can still be PO'd every time they see it.

I just watched it again personally. F. puck was flying towards the boards and Valardi makes it drop straight down on Ekholm instead.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #3) [message #821972 is a reply to message #821969 ]	Mon, 24 April 2023 16:19

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 16:06

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:53

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:44

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:42

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 15:26

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 14:10

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 April 2023 13:55

Truthfully I would be happy if we just got consistency between every ref, in every game no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs. Players would adjust to what ever standard was set out. Might take a season, but they would get there.

Throw away the rulebook, and rename it a guidebook. As it stands right now ... embarrassing.

Looking back at this series, I think in game 1 and 2, we very well could have had a refing job similar to game 4. We just blew those games up for ourselves by doing stupid things. Game 1, 2 and 4 could have ended with ~2 PP's each if we didn't do obvious things to draw more. That seems to be the target for the refs, so ensure they can't be accused to helping the Oilers and their historically good PP too much.

Game 3 stands alone as a total clown show, and I guess it was a bit of a relief to see those same refs immediately make a mockery of another game. The review still burns, but that the NHL wimping out, scared to make a call that requires a little bit of reasoning without a camera angle that makes it obvious to 100% of people. We've seen worse.

Fingers crossed we get more like last night. And it's a shame we do have to just accept that McDavid can be groped and chopped at all night and the Kings will have to do very extreme things to push the refs over their ~2 PP per team target.

It's funny, but Game 1 might have been the best reffed game of the series. The Oilers continued to do stupid things and continued to get punished for them. The refs didn't look to even it up, even though the Kings had waaaaaay more PP time than we did. That's really how it should be.

I don't think the Kings were angels that night but they were much sneakier and we were just so blatant with so many of the penalties that it would have been hard not to call them.

Since then, I've thought it's not been great of course. Even last night, you knew after the Oilers went 2-for-2 that it would take attempted murder to get another call. The overtime penalty from the Kings was so grievous that they couldn't pretend it didn't happen.

And initially I thought it was a gifted penalty until I saw the replay today without the beer goggles. Definite can opener.

Even pulls his stick upward as the blade is stuck against Drai's right foot.

Yet I remain surprised the refs called it :) Just luck I guess that the ref was paying attention at the right thing at that moment.

It was a trip or interference or whatever a guy wants to call it, it just wasn't as horrible as other ones that got let go on both sides. But considering a few mins earlier, Byfield popped McD in the face with his gloves and no call, I think it was even.

Considering how horrendous game 3 was, last nights game and game 1, wasn't that bad. I will give the panel props, they haven't held back with how much of a trash call the missed high stick was.

I would love if the league had the balls to admit it was wrong. Nothing they can do about it after the game is over but at least admit it was a mistake to try to show you want to be better. So many media, fans, panelists, everyone say it was the wrong call and have evidence to show it was, man up and admit you made a mistake. But this is the NHL, they are never wrong.

Apology would be nice. Think the NHL just swept under the rug that missed high stick leading to a huge OT winner. All Oilers fans can still be PO'd every time they see it.

I just watched it again personally. F. puck was flying towards the boards and Valardi makes it drop straight down on Ekholm instead.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/putersmash.gif

Or explain the call then. Tell the fans, media, whoever what they saw. Don't say "Inconclusive" What did you see that is different than everyone else! Maybe we are all wrong and you are right, so explain why.

There are so many angles where it clearly looks like the puck changes direction. It is going up, the movement of the puck looks to be going over the 2 players heads, then all of a sudden drops straight down. Laws of physics says it had to of hit the stick to stop it from going the way it was going, then drop like that so explain to us why the NHL felt it didn't happen. The whole "this is how it is" attitude doesn't work for people.

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