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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814192 is a reply to message #814186 ]	Fri, 18 November 2022 11:35

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Adam wrote on Fri, 18 November 2022 10:43

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 15:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 12:18

Part of the Oilers problem is I think they have too many players who I deem dimensionless on their team.

I can tell you were listening to Stauffer today! I think someone called in and coined the term "dimensionless" .. to describe the bottom 6.. which I thought is a perfect term for them.. can't score, not hard on the forecheck, make defensive mistakes, weak in their own zone, and bring zero threat of physicality or intimidation (maybe Foegle.. recently)

Can't have "dimensionless" players on a contending NHL team = Oiler problem (one of..)

You guys are yearning for the Steve Tambellini era, when every guy signed would have a specific role. A fighter, a designated hitter, a penalty killer or two, a face-off guy...that's just a really bad strategy for building teams. We saw just how impactful it was for Tambo, because the face-off guy couldn't make or take a pass, the penalty killers were useless at even strength, the hitter couldn't do anything with the puck and the fighter was a massive liability if he couldn't immediately get a fight.

Completely and utterly FALSE. I am not looking for goons or a guy that only hits or a guy that all he does is win a faceoff then runs off the ice. I am not looking for 1 dimensional players like a goon who if no one will fight him, he's useless. I am looking for hockey players in the bottom 6 who on the vast majority of nights, I know that when they are on the ice something good will happen. Good bottom 6 guys on most nights go out there and they bring what they bring on a consistent basis. They don't get in hard on the forecheck 1 or 2 shifts a game then cruise around for the rest. Or for 1 shift hit 3 guys, then never get close to anyone again for the whole game. I am looking for a line who as soon as they are on the ice, I know, everyone in the crowd knows and the oppositions knows that line is going to get after them, they are going to cause the other teams problems, they are at times going to generate scoring chances and at times score a goal.

Right now from shift to shift, no one has a clue what most of the bottom 6 guys will do. McLeod has skill, fantastic speed and at 6'2, 207, opposition defenders every time he is on the ice should be looking over their shoulders wondering if he is coming. That doesn't mean McLeod has to try to run every player through the boards every time he is on the ice but at his size and speed he should be hounding the defenders all the time, once in a while lay a hard check but with his speed and skill, he should be a turnover machine. When players rush plays because they someone is on them, they make mistakes. Mistakes lead to turnovers, turnovers lead to possession, possession leads to scoring chances. So with his combination of speed, skill and size, if he was getting after it like he should instead of cruising around staying as far away from the corners as he can, he should be creating all kinds of shots and scoring chances for himself for his linemates but he doesn't.

I singled out McLeod because you have mentioned time and time again how you want speed and skill bottom 6 guys who can outscore the opposition vs the old school bang and crash beat the puck until it's square players that you think I want. I don't want the knuckle draggers, I want more players like McLeod who are big, skilled and fast EXCEPT, I want those guys to not be scared to get after it like McLeod looks to be. In order to get possession and break plays up, you actually have to pressure the opposition and get near them to get the puck back which is something he does not do a lot of.

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814195 is a reply to message #814186 ]	Fri, 18 November 2022 12:19

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Adam wrote on Fri, 18 November 2022 09:43

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 15:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 12:18

Part of the Oilers problem is I think they have too many players who I deem dimensionless on their team.

Didn't say anything remotely like that.

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814197 is a reply to message #814185 ]	Fri, 18 November 2022 19:34

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Damn dog. Her lucky bandana isn’t so lucky this year 😞
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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814199 is a reply to message #814197 ]	Fri, 18 November 2022 19:47

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tardigrade81 wrote on Fri, 18 November 2022 18:34

Damn dog. Her lucky bandana isn’t so lucky this year 😞

Turn it upside down.. rally bandana time!

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814281 is a reply to message #814180 ]	Sun, 20 November 2022 14:54

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It seems NHL coverups of anti-oilers bias continues. Piece on whether Edler should have been suspended removed from Sportsnet. No surprise whatsoever.

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814282 is a reply to message #814281 ]	Sun, 20 November 2022 16:23

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welcometotheOC wrote on Sun, 20 November 2022 14:54

It seems NHL coverups of anti-oilers bias continues. Piece on whether Edler should have been suspended removed from Sportsnet. No surprise whatsoever.

It's still there, its not an article, it's just video from one of the intermissions last night. Not a big shock that Bieksa saw nothing wrong with it and blamed Connor for changing direction. Botteril thought it was fine too. Hrudy thought it deserved at least a game.

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814283 is a reply to message #814174 ]	Sun, 20 November 2022 16:27

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 14:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 12:18

Part of the Oilers problem is I think they have too many players who I deem dimensionless on their team.

We are definitely a dimensionless team. We have half a dozen forwards that are all pretty much the same average joe bottom sixer. If you have guys that aren’t scoring then they need to do something that might help in another way like forecheck and PK.

As is we #28 on the PK at 73%

And outside our best five forwards, the rest are at best trending to a 20 point season.

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814284 is a reply to message #814282 ]	Sun, 20 November 2022 16:38

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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 20 November 2022 16:23

welcometotheOC wrote on Sun, 20 November 2022 14:54

It seems NHL coverups of anti-oilers bias continues. Piece on whether Edler should have been suspended removed from Sportsnet. No surprise whatsoever.

I don’t see it at all, maybe just the mobile page? scrolled slowly through the whole home all the way the bottom…. looks buried to me. Should have been 5 games. Would have been if the target was Matthews or Crosby.

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Re: Review: Los Angeles @ Edmonton (Game #17) [message #814286 is a reply to message #814283 ]	Sun, 20 November 2022 17:52

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nullterm wrote on Sun, 20 November 2022 16:27

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 14:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 November 2022 12:18

Part of the Oilers problem is I think they have too many players who I deem dimensionless on their team.

I think the difference to me is that when people like Stauffer talk about "dimension" they mean hitting and fighting. You actually hit the nail on the head though - it is about scoring. Your fourth line is generally playing against the other team's fourth liners, so if they're consistently getting outplayed and outscored, that is a problem. We need production from up and down the lineup.

I will say, I think that this conversation after the LA game (or the Vegas game for that matter) is a little out of place in that we've seen a couple games in a row where our third lines played quite well. They are forechecking, hitting and creating chances. They have outplayed the other team's depth guys. Against LA, the Kostin/McLeod/Jannmark line generated 6 shots - the most of any line. Against Vegas, with Puljujarvi in for Jannmark, that trio had 5 shots. They did give up one goal against though, which obviously is a black mark against them.

The problem isn't role, it's results. If they keep playing that way and getting opportunities, then theoretically they should start to see results.

If we want to talk about the fourth line? Maybe there's more there, although again, against LA they weren't really a problem. Holloway/Ryan/Shore had four shots in that game in limited minutes. The first line of Nuge/McDavid/Puljujarvi had just two shots between them and Foegele/Draisaitl/Hyman had five despite both units playing way more icetime. Holloway also had a pretty good look. In a tight game against a good Vegas team, the fourth line barely played, with Woodcroft completely shortening his bench after the second period.

I've long said that the Oilers need more from the depth, but we just made a pretty big shakeup and the last two games it has looked good. Those lines didn't cost us the LA game, and they were generally fine against Vegas.

If they keep playing like they are, I'd want to keep Kostin and Jannmark over Shore and Ryan when everyone is healthy.

Holloway? I don't know. He's playing better now than at the start of the season, there's been improvement for sure. But at 20 maybe he's better off building his confidence in the AHL. Maybe flip him for Seth Griffith? James Hamblin? Holloway might be the best player of that group eventually, but I'm not sure he is now, and I would hate to see him really lose confidence as he struggles to put up any kind of numbers here.

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