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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820592 is a reply to message #820587 ]	Wed, 05 April 2023 11:01

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 09:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 09:03

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 08:12

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 00:39

Nothing like watching Shelbyville piss away a playoff spot by losing to the tanking Hawks.

CPuck was a fun read this morning that's for sure.
What the heck is going on with Kadri? Seems like his give-a-crap meter is sitting on empty. Much as I've always hated him as a player, he's a guy that would give it all every single game. That's been completely absent from his game since signing down there.

I think the issue with Kadri and a few of the other guys on the team is Sutter. It would be hard to give a crap when you have a coach who probably rips you in the room, then goes out to the media and carves you up in the media. They look like a team that is absolutely miserable and just wants the season to be done so they don't have to listen to Sutter trash them anymore.

Sutter is almost certainly a bit part of the issue. He's a blunt instrument, and I think he wants to bend players to play his system rather than adapting the system for the tools that he has at his disposal. Huberdeau's production has been halved in a single year. Weegar is a shadow of what he was in Florida. Kadri's had his challenges. Lindholm's production is way off. Mangiapane's about 40% down.

If the Flames miss the playoffs, I think there are changes coming. I figure either Sutter will be gone, or he'll be promoted in to the GM chair again. It'll be interesting either way.

I did think that the Eric Francis rant on Kadri was a little over the top. Not often you see intermission analysis included in the highlight package - which goes to show just how extreme it was.

GM+Coach Sutter needs to happen. The hockey world demands it

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820599 is a reply to message #820589 ]	Wed, 05 April 2023 12:15

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 10:00

I don't think how Sutter coaches translates to todays game or player. I think last year was a fluke season where everything went right for them including injuries and their whole team had surprise career years including a few guys looking for new big money contracts. He likes to break guys down and force them to play a style that probably some players aren't willing or maybe even capable of doing on a consistent basis. Then when those players don't play how he wants, he shreds them.

He plays a throw it on the net and hope for something good to happen style which to me is good to make your advanced numbers look good but doesn't produce great results because you aren't creating good scoring chances and you are giving up the puck. Then he relies on his goalie to have to be lights out all the time because their margin for error is low. Markstrom was in the running for the vesina last year, had 9 shut outs, they did well. This year he hasn't been as good and surprise surprise the team doesn't win much.

It will be interesting to see what happens with them. Their team is set as they have a full roster with 219K of cap space listed. So they can't bring guys or make changes. So they will have to trade guys if they want to make the roster different plus Sutter has an extension starting next year so firing the coach right when his new deal starts is tough.

I said it last year, Markstrom's first half of the season was such an anomaly, it completely skewed how everyone perceived that team to be; it wasn't close to realistic.

But I hope they don't make sweeping changes, I'd love to see them re-tool or a few tweaks and think they've got it figured out, only to completely collapse again next season. I really enjoy watching the Oilers win, but watching the Flames fail is a close second.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820604 is a reply to message #820599 ]	Wed, 05 April 2023 14:09

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bigEfromGP wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 14:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 10:00

I don't think how Sutter coaches translates to todays game or player. I think last year was a fluke season where everything went right for them including injuries and their whole team had surprise career years including a few guys looking for new big money contracts. He likes to break guys down and force them to play a style that probably some players aren't willing or maybe even capable of doing on a consistent basis. Then when those players don't play how he wants, he shreds them.

He plays a throw it on the net and hope for something good to happen style which to me is good to make your advanced numbers look good but doesn't produce great results because you aren't creating good scoring chances and you are giving up the puck. Then he relies on his goalie to have to be lights out all the time because their margin for error is low. Markstrom was in the running for the vesina last year, had 9 shut outs, they did well. This year he hasn't been as good and surprise surprise the team doesn't win much.

It will be interesting to see what happens with them. Their team is set as they have a full roster with 219K of cap space listed. So they can't bring guys or make changes. So they will have to trade guys if they want to make the roster different plus Sutter has an extension starting next year so firing the coach right when his new deal starts is tough.

I said it last year, Markstrom's first half of the season was such an anomaly, it completely skewed how everyone perceived that team to be; it wasn't close to realistic.

But I hope they don't make sweeping changes, I'd love to see them re-tool or a few tweaks and think they've got it figured out, only to completely collapse again next season. I really enjoy watching the Oilers win, but watching the Flames fail is a close second.

I don't see how they can make sweeping changes. Biggest contract coming off the books is Lucic, with all that money going to Huberdeau. After next season they have more contracts expiring, but unfortunately for them, a lot of those are contracts they would prefer were a little bit longer. I am betting they fire their GM in the off-season, but it will be tough to fire Sutter since his new deal hasn't even started yet. It is a pretty depressing look for them the next few seasons, and considering all the crap I got from my Flames fans friends for years and years, I don't feel bad for them one bit. I try to be a good friend and not throw a lot of shade at them, but I'm not one that hopes they play well so we can beat them in the playoffs. They are right where I like them, too good to get a high draft pick (without a ton of luck), but not good enough to get in the playoffs.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820623 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Wed, 05 April 2023 21:41

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Wow I picked up that Wpg/Cgy game halfway through. Lousy hockey, it shouldn't instill fear into whoever faces either team in the first round.

These 2 teams might just collapse right down to the end.🤷🏻‍♂️

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820629 is a reply to message #820623 ]	Wed, 05 April 2023 22:07

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 21:41

These 2 teams might just collapse right down to the end.🤷🏻‍♂️

Go Perds?

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820655 is a reply to message #820629 ]	Wed, 05 April 2023 23:27

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 22:07

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 21:41

These 2 teams might just collapse right down to the end.🤷🏻‍♂️

Go Perds?

They said on Sportsnet that Wpg led the Western Conference mid January. I might like to see them miss because that would be a legendary collapse, and there are probably 5 or 6 players or so on that team that I'd want that for.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820660 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 02:44

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In a total douche-vortex, Cory Perry cheap shots Jacob Trouba. Couldn't have happened to a better guy.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820664 is a reply to message #820476 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 07:42

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JPro wrote on Mon, 03 April 2023 15:39

But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

Lol I hate those people because I'm against hate!

We are talking about the lgbtq+ flag right?

I understand why people try to make this solely about the lg part. It's fun to make vanilla obvious statements like "love who you want!" And it would be hard for any reasonable person to disagree. And you can label anyone who disagrees or doesn't repeat the words as a terrible person. It's not a new strategy but it's effective. What im not sure about is if any individual person is just naive or intentionally obscuring the actual argument.

The truth is 99% of people and probably everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

If you actually wanted to have the discussion and not just virtue signal then the 'T' is where the disagreement arises. But that would mean actually defending a set of ideas and acknowledging that there is nuance to the issue.

On second thought stick to the LG.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820666 is a reply to message #820664 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 08:16

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Jay wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 09:42

JPro wrote on Mon, 03 April 2023 15:39

But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

Why can't this sentiment be extended to the "T" also? I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I think every single person on earth should be able to live their life, exist etc... if you disagree with that I think you are a trash human being. I do think you can live your life, exist etc... but you living your life and me thinking you are trash (no saying you Jay, just anyone who has those beliefs) are not mutually exclusive.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820669 is a reply to message #820666 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 09:03

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Perkele wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:16

Jay wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 09:42

JPro wrote on Mon, 03 April 2023 15:39

But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

Why can't this sentiment be extended to the "T" also? I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I think every single person on earth should be able to live their life, exist etc... if you disagree with that I think you are a trash human being. I do think you can live your life, exist etc... but you living your life and me thinking you are trash (no saying you Jay, just anyone who has those beliefs) are not mutually exclusive.

Apologies in advance for this not being in OT!!!! :)

I think the T part creates a lot more situations where there discomfort is being forced on others. There are factions of the T also that are trying to take normalizing themselves to an extreme where they demand people to actually change how they refer to themselves (you are transphobic if you do not start calling yourself cis-male or cis-female). Lots of other issues arise, many are actually ending up very disrespectful to progress women have made over the last couple hundred years. T opens up much more opportunities for perverts to try to work the system for their own needs. Creepy dudes claiming to be female so they can go into a girls washroom, etc... I know it's not that common, it's a small exception, but that's still part of human nature. You give an inch, many people out there will try to take a mile, and this worlds perv and deranged population just keeps growing with the general population. Every one off situation that comes up can blow up and paint over the whole movement for a long time.

LG stuff took a long time to get the vast majority on board with, still work to be done. I think the T thing will take much much longer.

[Updated on: Thu, 06 April 2023 09:10]

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820670 is a reply to message #820669 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 09:12

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 09:03

Apologies in advance for this not being in OT!!!! :)

The NHL caused this. They made it a hockey issue.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820674 is a reply to message #820629 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 10:54

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 22:07

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 21:41

These 2 teams might just collapse right down to the end.🤷🏻‍♂️

Go Perds?

If we were to secure the top seed, I think the battered Predators might be the team I'd want to face. No Josi, no Johansson, no Duchene, Ekholm on our side...it's pretty incredible that team is even still in the race, and I think they'll just be happy to make the dance.

I think Winnipeg and Calgary both could be somewhat challenging opponents. The Flames will be gritty and will relish the underdog role, and Hellebuyck could get hot for the Jets. Both beatable but I don't think there's an easy out there.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820675 is a reply to message #820674 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 10:58

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Adam wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 10:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 22:07

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 21:41

These 2 teams might just collapse right down to the end.🤷🏻‍♂️

Go Perds?

If we were to secure the top seed, I think the battered Predators might be the team I'd want to face. No Josi, no Johansson, no Duchene, Ekholm on our side...it's pretty incredible that team is even still in the race, and I think they'll just be happy to make the dance.

I think Winnipeg and Calgary both could be somewhat challenging opponents. The Flames will be gritty and will relish the underdog role, and Hellebuyck could get hot for the Jets. Both beatable but I don't think there's an easy out there.

Only issue is that Barrie would probably score a goal/game on us. Being an Ex-Oiler and all.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820676 is a reply to message #820674 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 11:21

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Adam wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 10:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 22:07

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 05 April 2023 21:41

These 2 teams might just collapse right down to the end.🤷🏻‍♂️

Go Perds?

If we were to secure the top seed, I think the battered Predators might be the team I'd want to face. No Josi, no Johansson, no Duchene, Ekholm on our side...it's pretty incredible that team is even still in the race, and I think they'll just be happy to make the dance.

I think Winnipeg and Calgary both could be somewhat challenging opponents. The Flames will be gritty and will relish the underdog role, and Hellebuyck could get hot for the Jets. Both beatable but I don't think there's an easy out there.

Josi might come back, they have Saros, and the Nashville arena is fun on a bun but you're correct. Playoffs should be a wasted 8 days for them.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820689 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 20:16

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This Knights-Kings game is about as big as an out of town game can be.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820690 is a reply to message #820689 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 20:57

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Too bad the Kings didn't show up. (to be fair, they were in the game until their goal was overturned)

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820691 is a reply to message #820690 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 20:59

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Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 20:57

Too bad the Kings didn't show up. (to be fair, they were in the game until their goal was overturned)

And the freebie the refs gave them after Hotdog Phil pushed the net off.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820693 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Thu, 06 April 2023 23:03

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Whelp, pretty much guaranteed Kings@Oilers in the 1st round now.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820694 is a reply to message #820693 ]	Fri, 07 April 2023 07:12

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 07 April 2023 02:03

Whelp, pretty much guaranteed Kings@Oilers in the 1st round now.

Bummer. I was hoping for our first division and conference title in almost 40 years.

Oh well - bring on the McLellan and the Kings

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820701 is a reply to message #820669 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 12:55

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:03

Perkele wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:16

Jay wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 09:42

JPro wrote on Mon, 03 April 2023 15:39

But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

Why can't this sentiment be extended to the "T" also? I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I think every single person on earth should be able to live their life, exist etc... if you disagree with that I think you are a trash human being. I do think you can live your life, exist etc... but you living your life and me thinking you are trash (no saying you Jay, just anyone who has those beliefs) are not mutually exclusive.

Apologies in advance for this not being in OT!!!! :)

I think the T part creates a lot more situations where there discomfort is being forced on others. There are factions of the T also that are trying to take normalizing themselves to an extreme where they demand people to actually change how they refer to themselves (you are transphobic if you do not start calling yourself cis-male or cis-female). Lots of other issues arise, many are actually ending up very disrespectful to progress women have made over the last couple hundred years. T opens up much more opportunities for perverts to try to work the system for their own needs. Creepy dudes claiming to be female so they can go into a girls washroom, etc... I know it's not that common, it's a small exception, but that's still part of human nature. You give an inch, many people out there will try to take a mile, and this worlds perv and deranged population just keeps growing with the general population. Every one off situation that comes up can blow up and paint over the whole movement for a long time.

LG stuff took a long time to get the vast majority on board with, still work to be done. I think the T thing will take much much longer.

The T is also biological. Did you know that human gender differences have been converging as part of our natural evolution? It’s a function of our self domestication.

Trans identity issues have been around forever, and suppressed by societal pressures, but they are on the rise naturally and will continue to do so over the generations. Asexuality also. It is a good thing too, as I believe it will be vital to control our over population issue.

I agree acceptance will take a some time. It takes generations, but it will happen. The T doesn’t bother kids these days. When our kids rule the world, they will roll their eyes at our transphobia.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820703 is a reply to message #820701 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 13:44

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Steve wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 12:55

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:03

Perkele wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:16

Jay wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 09:42

JPro wrote on Mon, 03 April 2023 15:39

But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

Why can't this sentiment be extended to the "T" also? I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I think every single person on earth should be able to live their life, exist etc... if you disagree with that I think you are a trash human being. I do think you can live your life, exist etc... but you living your life and me thinking you are trash (no saying you Jay, just anyone who has those beliefs) are not mutually exclusive.

Apologies in advance for this not being in OT!!!! :)

I think the T part creates a lot more situations where there discomfort is being forced on others. There are factions of the T also that are trying to take normalizing themselves to an extreme where they demand people to actually change how they refer to themselves (you are transphobic if you do not start calling yourself cis-male or cis-female). Lots of other issues arise, many are actually ending up very disrespectful to progress women have made over the last couple hundred years. T opens up much more opportunities for perverts to try to work the system for their own needs. Creepy dudes claiming to be female so they can go into a girls washroom, etc... I know it's not that common, it's a small exception, but that's still part of human nature. You give an inch, many people out there will try to take a mile, and this worlds perv and deranged population just keeps growing with the general population. Every one off situation that comes up can blow up and paint over the whole movement for a long time.

LG stuff took a long time to get the vast majority on board with, still work to be done. I think the T thing will take much much longer.

The T is also biological. Did you know that human gender differences have been converging as part of our natural evolution? It’s a function of our self domestication.

Trans identity issues have been around forever, and suppressed by societal pressures, but they are on the rise naturally and will continue to do so over the generations. Asexuality also. It is a good thing too, as I believe it will be vital to control our over population issue.

I agree acceptance will take a some time. It takes generations, but it will happen. The T doesn’t bother kids these days. When our kids rule the world, they will roll their eyes at our transphobia.

Gender conversion at the genetic level or are we talking psychological? I personally would find it hard to believe that an actual biological convergence would happen at any speed we could see even in hundreds of more generations of humanity after all the time it took evolution to create humans as we have them today. I've personally never seen a serious study that suggests male and female anatomy is converging in any consistent manner, obviously there are all kinds of things that can happen by fluke during development.

That said, I think in time we could make gender matter even less with technology, if processes can be made to just combine any peoples genetics and make a baby in a lab. Not needing dudes anymore for babies plus advances in AI and robotics to do physical tasks. Be afraid lads :)

Our kids will likely be far more accepting, but there are still plenty of open questions that defy common sense and require making people scared to talk to win the argument on the more extreme T side.

[Updated on: Sat, 08 April 2023 14:04]

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820708 is a reply to message #820703 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 14:43

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 12:44

Steve wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 12:55

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:03

Perkele wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:16

Jay wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 09:42

JPro wrote on Mon, 03 April 2023 15:39

But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

Why can't this sentiment be extended to the "T" also? I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I think every single person on earth should be able to live their life, exist etc... if you disagree with that I think you are a trash human being. I do think you can live your life, exist etc... but you living your life and me thinking you are trash (no saying you Jay, just anyone who has those beliefs) are not mutually exclusive.

Apologies in advance for this not being in OT!!!! :)

I think the T part creates a lot more situations where there discomfort is being forced on others. There are factions of the T also that are trying to take normalizing themselves to an extreme where they demand people to actually change how they refer to themselves (you are transphobic if you do not start calling yourself cis-male or cis-female). Lots of other issues arise, many are actually ending up very disrespectful to progress women have made over the last couple hundred years. T opens up much more opportunities for perverts to try to work the system for their own needs. Creepy dudes claiming to be female so they can go into a girls washroom, etc... I know it's not that common, it's a small exception, but that's still part of human nature. You give an inch, many people out there will try to take a mile, and this worlds perv and deranged population just keeps growing with the general population. Every one off situation that comes up can blow up and paint over the whole movement for a long time.

LG stuff took a long time to get the vast majority on board with, still work to be done. I think the T thing will take much much longer.

The T is also biological. Did you know that human gender differences have been converging as part of our natural evolution? It’s a function of our self domestication.

Trans identity issues have been around forever, and suppressed by societal pressures, but they are on the rise naturally and will continue to do so over the generations. Asexuality also. It is a good thing too, as I believe it will be vital to control our over population issue.

I agree acceptance will take a some time. It takes generations, but it will happen. The T doesn’t bother kids these days. When our kids rule the world, they will roll their eyes at our transphobia.

Gender conversion at the genetic level or are we talking psychological? I personally would find it hard to believe that an actual biological convergence would happen at any speed we could see even in hundreds of more generations of humanity after all the time it took evolution to create humans as we have them today. I've personally never seen a serious study that suggests male and female anatomy is converging in any consistent manner, obviously there are all kinds of things that can happen by fluke during development.

That said, I think in time we could make gender matter even less with technology, if processes can be made to just combine any peoples genetics and make a baby in a lab. Not needing dudes anymore for babies plus advances in AI and robotics to do physical tasks. Be afraid lads :)

Our kids will likely be far more accepting, but there are still plenty of open questions that defy common sense and require making people scared to talk to win the argument on the more extreme T side.

Perhaps the timing of my ideas wasn’t clear. Acceptance takes generations. Genetic changes takes 10 of thousands of years.

There have been human genetic changes over the past 300,000 years. We are less ‘manly’ than our early ancestors. There are several palaeontology studies on this. My favourite sciences are geology and palaeontology, so I often think in very long time periods. When I speak of the future, I’m thinking of 10’s of thousands of years from now.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820709 is a reply to message #820708 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 14:53

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Steve wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 14:43

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 12:44

Steve wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 12:55

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 06 April 2023 08:03

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But if they're judging others, it's fair for fans to judge them in return since their bias is rooted in hate.

everyone reading this has zero problem with gay people living their life, existing etc.

Why can't this sentiment be extended to the "T" also? I won't speak for anyone but myself, but I think every single person on earth should be able to live their life, exist etc... if you disagree with that I think you are a trash human being. I do think you can live your life, exist etc... but you living your life and me thinking you are trash (no saying you Jay, just anyone who has those beliefs) are not mutually exclusive.

Apologies in advance for this not being in OT!!!! :)

I think the T part creates a lot more situations where there discomfort is being forced on others. There are factions of the T also that are trying to take normalizing themselves to an extreme where they demand people to actually change how they refer to themselves (you are transphobic if you do not start calling yourself cis-male or cis-female). Lots of other issues arise, many are actually ending up very disrespectful to progress women have made over the last couple hundred years. T opens up much more opportunities for perverts to try to work the system for their own needs. Creepy dudes claiming to be female so they can go into a girls washroom, etc... I know it's not that common, it's a small exception, but that's still part of human nature. You give an inch, many people out there will try to take a mile, and this worlds perv and deranged population just keeps growing with the general population. Every one off situation that comes up can blow up and paint over the whole movement for a long time.

LG stuff took a long time to get the vast majority on board with, still work to be done. I think the T thing will take much much longer.

The T is also biological. Did you know that human gender differences have been converging as part of our natural evolution? It’s a function of our self domestication.

Trans identity issues have been around forever, and suppressed by societal pressures, but they are on the rise naturally and will continue to do so over the generations. Asexuality also. It is a good thing too, as I believe it will be vital to control our over population issue.

I agree acceptance will take a some time. It takes generations, but it will happen. The T doesn’t bother kids these days. When our kids rule the world, they will roll their eyes at our transphobia.

Gender conversion at the genetic level or are we talking psychological? I personally would find it hard to believe that an actual biological convergence would happen at any speed we could see even in hundreds of more generations of humanity after all the time it took evolution to create humans as we have them today. I've personally never seen a serious study that suggests male and female anatomy is converging in any consistent manner, obviously there are all kinds of things that can happen by fluke during development.

That said, I think in time we could make gender matter even less with technology, if processes can be made to just combine any peoples genetics and make a baby in a lab. Not needing dudes anymore for babies plus advances in AI and robotics to do physical tasks. Be afraid lads :)

Our kids will likely be far more accepting, but there are still plenty of open questions that defy common sense and require making people scared to talk to win the argument on the more extreme T side.

Perhaps the timing of my ideas wasn’t clear. Acceptance takes generations. Genetic changes takes 10 of thousands of years.

There have been human genetic changes over the past 300,000 years. We are less ‘manly’ than our early ancestors. There are several palaeontology studies on this. My favourite sciences are geology and palaeontology, so I often think in very long time periods. When I speak of the future, I’m thinking of 10’s of thousands of years from now.

Ah, I follow you then. Imagine there is loads of debate and theory many ways on how humanity will evolve of course. Being less "manly" probably involves a load of environmental factors, in addition to the evolution of what mates found desirable traits over thousands of years. I think a huge part of not being manly now is how technology lets people survive super easily by doing almost nothing physical. Certainly a huge change just in the last 100 years that has left huge amounts of males in the 1st world turn into soft little things. Is that altering their genetics and their children (if my some miracle now they can actually find a mate) from being able to develop into what a "manly" man would be if their environment actually demanded consistently physical effort out of them? Don't think so.

I personally would have a hard time seeing there being an environmental pressure that somehow breaks having our 2 main genders.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820710 is a reply to message #820709 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 15:24

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It’s part of the self-domestication theory. I’m comparing ourselves to cavemen rather than thinking of the last 100 years.

It’s not like our body parts will change, and therefore we will have the same two ‘sexes’. Gender and sexuality are on a spectrum though. Some will find that contentious , but I believe it to be true. I also think the percentage of our typical heterosexuals will decrease over time.

I’ll leave it at that. Enough OT for one day!

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820727 is a reply to message #820710 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 22:19

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Steve wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 15:24

It’s part of the self-domestication theory. I’m comparing ourselves to cavemen rather than thinking of the last 100 years.

It’s not like our body parts will change, and therefore we will have the same two ‘sexes’. Gender and sexuality are on a spectrum though. Some will find that contentious , but I believe it to be true. I also think the percentage of our typical heterosexuals will decrease over time.

I’ll leave it at that. Enough OT for one day!

I do acknowledge 100% that there are circumstances down to genetics that put a person in a situation with their hormones/development that give, just alone, biological reasons to consider them a different sex than what they appear, or traditional thought would consider them to be. These would be exceptions that would have a hard time to ever become dominant traits in humans, unless maybe we forced it artificially.

Of course I don't think having to test every person that considers themselves trans, for their genes, hormones, etc..., to give them some kind of classification on what degree of biological trans person they get to be accepted as would ever be a solution that ppl would accept. And of course I'm discounting all the reasons that aren't just down to biology that someone can feel they are in the wrong body. In any case, currently the goal appears to be you are what you say you are, and that makes you 100% that thing and we're just gonna keep pounding our way through every roadblock that is stopping that from being true in every circumstance and every way of thinking.

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The Dys’ supposedly best players had all the accuracy of Imperial stormtroopers in the OT. Demko pulled their bacon out of the fire in the SO.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820729 is a reply to message #820728 ]	Sat, 08 April 2023 23:06

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sat, 08 April 2023 22:52

The Dys’ supposedly best players had all the accuracy of Imperial stormtroopers in the OT. Demko pulled their bacon out of the fire in the SO.

The No Goods with loser point #16

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820734 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Sun, 09 April 2023 20:52

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Pasta with a 3 goal night to get to 60. All that is left for the Bruins players to care about is milestones with the president's trophy locked. They will be getting pasta as much as they can, unless the coach yanks him to rest. McDavid might want to add to his goal buffer a bit.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820736 is a reply to message #820734 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 00:02

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 09 April 2023 20:52

Pasta with a 3 goal night to get to 60. All that is left for the Bruins players to care about is milestones with the president's trophy locked. They will be getting pasta as much as they can, unless the coach yanks him to rest. McDavid might want to add to his goal buffer a bit.

Better be a giant asterisk beside this win “record” in the record book. They have a full 11 (yes, eleven !! ) overtime and shootout wins. Impressive total, but for me, Montreal’s record still stands.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820737 is a reply to message #820736 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 01:15

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welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 00:02

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 09 April 2023 20:52

Pasta with a 3 goal night to get to 60. All that is left for the Bruins players to care about is milestones with the president's trophy locked. They will be getting pasta as much as they can, unless the coach yanks him to rest. McDavid might want to add to his goal buffer a bit.

Better be a giant asterisk beside this win “record” in the record book. They have a full 11 (yes, eleven !! ) overtime and shootout wins. Impressive total, but for me, Montreal’s record still stands.

Yeah - I saw the NHL promoting this "record" today, but there are several factors that make this not an apples to apples comparison:

- The Montreal Canadiens in 1976-77 had only an 80 game season. They lead by one point over the Bruins today, with the Bruins having played 80 games...but they get an extra two.
- There was no overtimes at all in 1976-77, it just ended in a tie. The Bruins have gone to extra time 16 times this year, so if it were apples to apples, then the Bruins would be 52-12-16 so far. Impressive to be sure, but that's only 120 points, which puts them well down the list.
- Even if you compare them to the 1995-96 Red Wings, who did have 82 games and overtime (ignoring the fact that the overtime is now easier to finish with two less skaters per team), the Bruins record would drop to 59-14-7 since there would be no shootout, and no loser points for their couple of overtime losses. That again is a pretty impressive 123 points, but they couldn't reach the Red Wings mark with two games remaining.

In short, anyone suggesting this is the most impressive season of all-time is just plain wrong.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820738 is a reply to message #820737 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 06:12

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Adam wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 04:15

welcometotheOC wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 00:02

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 09 April 2023 20:52

Pasta with a 3 goal night to get to 60. All that is left for the Bruins players to care about is milestones with the president's trophy locked. They will be getting pasta as much as they can, unless the coach yanks him to rest. McDavid might want to add to his goal buffer a bit.

Better be a giant asterisk beside this win “record” in the record book. They have a full 11 (yes, eleven !! ) overtime and shootout wins. Impressive total, but for me, Montreal’s record still stands.

Yeah - I saw the NHL promoting this "record" today, but there are several factors that make this not an apples to apples comparison:

- The Montreal Canadiens in 1976-77 had only an 80 game season. They lead by one point over the Bruins today, with the Bruins having played 80 games...but they get an extra two.
- There was no overtimes at all in 1976-77, it just ended in a tie. The Bruins have gone to extra time 16 times this year, so if it were apples to apples, then the Bruins would be 52-12-16 so far. Impressive to be sure, but that's only 120 points, which puts them well down the list.
- Even if you compare them to the 1995-96 Red Wings, who did have 82 games and overtime (ignoring the fact that the overtime is now easier to finish with two less skaters per team), the Bruins record would drop to 59-14-7 since there would be no shootout, and no loser points for their couple of overtime losses. That again is a pretty impressive 123 points, but they couldn't reach the Red Wings mark with two games remaining.

In short, anyone suggesting this is the most impressive season of all-time is just plain wrong.

In a similar vein, we have the 2nd most regulation wins with 44 (Boston is 1st with 52) yet we are only 7th overall in league standings. Gotta take some tips from Cowtown on how to be better losers I guess.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820740 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 12:20

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820741 is a reply to message #820740 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 13:15

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I thought the league was watching to make sure teams didn't do exactly this. Putting guys on LTIR to create cap space then miraculously that player is completely healthy and ready to go game 1.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 16:15

I thought the league was watching to make sure teams didn't do exactly this. Putting guys on LTIR to create cap space then miraculously that player is completely healthy and ready to go game 1.

I said it when Tampa did it & I'll say it again: The solution seems stupidly simple: You must be cap compliant for the playoffs. Why teams all of a sudden get a salary cap exemption for the most important part of the entire season is beyond me.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820743 is a reply to message #820738 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 13:37

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On the other hand, in Boston's favor, we should mention that they are the best team in the salary cap era, as well as in the 30+ teams era. If they're not having "the best" season in NHL history, I'd think they are certainly top-5 all-time ... which is pretty darn impressive in its own right.

Similarly, given lower overall NHL offense today, McDavid's season has been a top-10 individual season, even though statistically it is not.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820744 is a reply to message #820740 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 13:40

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 12:20

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Mark Stone is participating with the team during today’s practice in a non-contact jersey #VegasBorn

Oh look, Stone is back just in time for the playoffs. Perfect timing because Vegas use all his LTIR space in the regular season.

Taylor Hall said himself he was ready to play 2 weeks ago, but they spent his cap hit on Bertuzzi. Teams don't even care about the optics anymore.

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AndersonRules wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 13:37

On the other hand, in Boston's favor, we should mention that they are the best team in the salary cap era, as well as in the 30+ teams era. If they're not having "the best" season in NHL history, I'd think they are certainly top-5 all-time ... which is pretty darn impressive in its own right.

Even though Boston has been abusing the cap all year and will be unable to repeat this success next year, this is entirely correct.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820746 is a reply to message #820744 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 13:55

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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 13:40

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 12:20

x - Vegas Golden Knights @GoldenKnights
Mark Stone is participating with the team during today’s practice in a non-contact jersey #VegasBorn

Oh look, Stone is back just in time for the playoffs. Perfect timing because Vegas use all his LTIR space in the regular season.

Taylor Hall said himself he was ready to play 2 weeks ago, but they spent his cap hit on Bertuzzi. Teams don't even care about the optics anymore.

The party keeps going until the Oilers try it. Then it'll be ruined for everyone.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820747 is a reply to message #820741 ]	Mon, 10 April 2023 14:04

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 13:15

I thought the league was watching to make sure teams didn't do exactly this. Putting guys on LTIR to create cap space then miraculously that player is completely healthy and ready to go game 1.

I think the NHL has studiously avoided promising to do anything about this.

The fact is, they like it because it creates more opportunity for trades at the deadline. This is just a fact of life now.

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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 13:40

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 April 2023 12:20

x - Vegas Golden Knights @GoldenKnights
Mark Stone is participating with the team during today’s practice in a non-contact jersey #VegasBorn

Oh look, Stone is back just in time for the playoffs. Perfect timing because Vegas use all his LTIR space in the regular season.

Taylor Hall said himself he was ready to play 2 weeks ago, but they spent his cap hit on Bertuzzi. Teams don't even care about the optics anymore.

Hall came back this weekend. The Bruins shifted a couple other guys to the IR instead of him.

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