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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789026 is a reply to message #789024 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:03

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:00

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:38

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Since we don't care about how old guys are anymore, Martinez is definitely a guy I would have taken a run at. Still a very good player.

“Hey Siri, what is the average age of an NHL championship roster?”

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789027 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:07

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun

Full Oilers-Hawks deal:
Duncan Keith and Tim Soderlund for Caleb Jones And 2022 3rd RD pick
The 2022 pick will become a 2nd RD pick if Edm wins 3 rounds in 2022 playoffs AND Keith is amongst the top 4 in Oilers D time on ice during the first three rounds of the 2022 Playoffs.

Still yikes.

Good news guys, the 2nd rounder is safe.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789028 is a reply to message #789027 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:21

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:07

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Good news guys, the 2nd rounder is safe.

Nah - we’ll lose the first round in 7, but since we had 3 wins, the NHL will multiply that by 4 possible rounds = 12 wins divided by 3. Yup, enough for 3 round wins. 2nd round pick it is.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789029 is a reply to message #789028 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:35

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Thing is, it doesn’t even matter if Keith comes in and wins the Norris. We had every conceivable advantage. That we let the Hawks dump Keith on us without retaining anything, PLUS getting 2 assets is larceny. His performance won’t change that this was a massive massive blunder by Lowe. Er, Holland.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789030 is a reply to message #789028 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:37

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Mike wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:07

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Good news guys, the 2nd rounder is safe.

Nah - we’ll lose the first round in 7, but since we had 3 wins, the NHL will multiply that by 4 possible rounds = 12 wins divided by 3. Yup, enough for 3 round wins. 2nd round pick it is.

Losing a seven game series to the Kraken would be a big step forward for the Oilers.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789031 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:46

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Seems worse. We can give up extra bonus conditions, but Chicago can't retain even 500k eh? Wonderful.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789032 is a reply to message #789031 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 17:58

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:46

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Seems worse. We can give up extra bonus conditions, but Chicago can't retain even 500k eh? Wonderful.

Yeah even a $500K retention would have helped, even symbolically.. wouldn't even throw a freaking bone..

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He doesn’t stop moving his feet in the offensive zone, which makes him tough to defend against, as he’s like a little sparkplug out there, Hockeyprospect.com 2017

He uses his puck skills to deke out opponents, as well as to protect the puck along the wall. He doesn’t shy away from working the boards, Futureconsiderations.ca 2016

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789033 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:01

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Soderlund? 23 year old 5’09 center who shoots left and had 5 assists as an AHL rookie last year.

Now the deal makes sense.

Eff my life. Not hating on Keith. I’m looking forward to seeing him in an Oilers uniform, but every fibre of my soul says he should have been a bargain, but yet we pay above the asking price.

It’s a freaking flat cap and Chicago had no leverage. Even if Holland makes unbelievable deals for the rest of the summer, it does not excuse this pitiful transaction. Absolutely horrendous and a fire able offence.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789034 is a reply to message #789033 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:07

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:01

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Yeah, we paid more than full price when we had the hammer, for once, doesn't bode well for any future possible trades where we want an asset and the other team actually doesn't want to, or have to, give it up..

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789035 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:33

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So far in his tenure, Holland has traded, collectively:

Lucic (750k retained)
Marino
Jones
Gagner
Brodziak

2nd
2nd
3rd
3rd
4th

For:

Keith
Neal
Ennis
Green
Athanasiou

6th

Maybe just stop trading Holland, you suck badly at it. Sucked in Detroit too.

Draft, develop, that's all he should be allowed to do until he's fired.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789036 is a reply to message #789029 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:39

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Mike wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:35

Bowman is one of the best GM's in the league and has been for over a decade now. Who really thought that Holland was ever going to fleece him? That was my main concern with this deal before it was made: a minnow was trying to make a deal with a great white shark. Even if that shark had its fins cut off, it was still in a position to eat that minnow for breakfast.

The Hawks dump the salary of a player well past his prime and pick up a potential young replacement while also putting themselves into a better position to take a crack at signing that replacement's star brother both through the family tie and the cap space that was just freed up when the sucker-er-trading partner agreed to take it all despite being in the better position as far as leverage was concerned.

There should just be a !@$@ing memo sent to all staff in the Oil front office to just avoid making ANY deals with the Hawks as long as Bowman is still there. They just keep getting owned by him.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789037 is a reply to message #789035 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:41

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 18:33

I'd just settle for a moratorium on making deals with the Hawks and sticking to trading partners like Treliving before he finally gets the can in Calgary.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789038 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:42

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Chelios comparison by Holland. Who saw that coming?

Wait a sec, I thought he said it wasn't good to get Chelios even after 2 straight cup wins to try to get the 3rd in a row?

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789039 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:51

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"I don't know if this was a numbers decision." -- Ken Holland on the analytics/factors that went into acquiring Duncan Keith.

Of course not. I'm sure Holland's son gave Keith a shining review in his pro scout report.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789040 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 18:56

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Holland on asking for more from Chicago using the leverage he had: "It's hard to squeeze people in this league"

He says this after just being squeezed. Clown.

Holland doesn't know Keith mainly played against 2nd/3rd liners last year. Says that once he comes here and isn't always out against the best players his game will be better.

[Updated on: Mon, 12 July 2021 19:02]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789041 is a reply to message #789039 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:05

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 18:51

“Hey dad i forgot to finish my scouting report on Chicago.”

“That’s fine son, I don’t read them anyways.”

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789042 is a reply to message #789041 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:19

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 19:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 18:51

“Hey dad i forgot to finish my scouting report on Chicago.”

“That’s fine son, I don’t read them anyways.”

"Son, have you seen my bottle of lube anywhere?"

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789043 is a reply to message #789040 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:24

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 17:56

Yeah if you're wearing gloves like these..

https://image.shutterstock.com/image-vector/cartoon-fan-foam-color-gloves-600w-1106501957.jpg

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789044 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 19:26

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https://i.ibb.co/4s1RHr7/addtext-com-Mj-Ey-NTE3-Mzcx-Nw.jpg

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789047 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:30

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Y’all know I’m pro-Duncan the Oiler and I’m lovin’ today.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789048 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:33

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Our 2nd and 3rd next year being tied up with conditions really messes with our ability to get a rental player next deadline. Another silver lining of this trade.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789049 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:37

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In case you wonder who Tim Soderland is..
BlackHawks promo video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C7kmogUihw

Seems like a speedy small guy with some stick handling skill.. Yamomotor size..

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789050 is a reply to message #789048 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:42

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:33

Our 2nd and 3rd next year being tied up with conditions really messes with our ability to get a rental player next deadline. Another silver lining of this trade.

Pfft, still got that 1st available 😏

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789051 is a reply to message #789050 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:43

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:42

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:33

Our 2nd and 3rd next year being tied up with conditions really messes with our ability to get a rental player next deadline. Another silver lining of this trade.

Pfft, still got that 1st available 😏

Hehe, yeah, that's it. We'll have to get over the "I've been there, I once traded for Chelios and we didn't win" threshold to get a real rental again. Team better be looking freakin amazing at the deadline or it'll just be another Kulikov.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789052 is a reply to message #789051 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 20:47

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:43

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:42

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:33

Our 2nd and 3rd next year being tied up with conditions really messes with our ability to get a rental player next deadline. Another silver lining of this trade.

Pfft, still got that 1st available 😏

1st for Ryan Getzlaf at the deadline ... you know your spine just tingled at the thought of it.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789054 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 21:11

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Actual silver lining:

PuckPedia @PuckPedia

If Keith were to retire after the 21-22 season:
-#BlackHawks would have a $5.5M cap hit in 22-23 & a $2M cap hit 23-24
-#LetsGoOilers would lose his $5.5M actual cap hit in 22-23 & instead have a $3.4M negative cap hit (cap savings), for a swing of $8.9M

Keith retiring after this season would screw the Hawks pretty bad, and give us a cap benefit.

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789057 is a reply to message #789014 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 22:59

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What did we get for Hall? The very same player that is a priority to get signed next. A necessary evil that sacrificed a good player that would have priced himself out of town by now anyway. Caleb Jones might turn out to be a good player, maybe even a top 4, but it wasn’t going to happen with the depth in Edmonton. More likely Jones would have left for nothing to Seattle via expansion draft. If retaining all of Kieth’s salary is the issue, it is off the books in 2 seasons. About the same time the Oilers will need to buck up for a couple of young defenders that have matured and learned from Kieth. I concede that the 3rd rounder seems unnecessary, but that was likely the price needed to get Kieth before the expansion draft. Is it a risk? yes. But for a team who’s window for a cup is about to open, Kieth can be an important piece in raising the bar. For those that say the best decision would have been to just say no, this week passes by and the team is no better, they lose Jones anyway and likely give up another asset for Kieth or a plan B anyway. Speculation? Yes. But likely the scenario Holland saw playing out. Could he have held his cards a little longer, perhaps. But will also don’t know what other factors were in play. There’s a big assumption that the Oilers were the only team courting. Doing nothing would have been a mistake. So I challenge all the armchair execs out there to make a better move.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789058 is a reply to message #788965 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:12

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 12:24

nullterm wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 13:19

Looking for the silver lining....

Jones was 6th in ice time for Dmen and easily swappable with any number of other young Dmen in our system.

Keith at the very least is on our 2nd pairing and maybe helps fill the void Klefbom leaves.

The money sucks, but we weren't getting a Klefbom replacement for nothing.

Very questionable that Keith is a Klefbom replacement. Unless you mean the level of play of an injured Klefbom with one shoulder. Maybe Keith will be in "the best shape of his life" coming in here, maybe he gets a mcdavid bump from a stats pov, but why make the trade today? There is going to be a ton of movement over the coming weeks, was he the best option?

If last year is any indication, 2nd pair defencemen don't get to play with McDavid much so I'm not sure that Keith gets a bump there. Other than that I agree with everything you said.

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18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789059 is a reply to message #789057 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:17

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ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 22:59

As said by CrusaderPi earlier, the better move was to hang up the phone. Holland has gambled that Keith can suddenly rewind the clock several years. He was a bad middle pairing defenceman last year - and we just spent a quarter of the team's outstanding cap space on him. We didn't do anything to make that better on ourselves.

The problem is that it doesn't really matter if there's others interested in him - we didn't need that player, and because of his no-move clause, the 'Hawks couldn't trade him almost anywhere else. We had all the power and we gave it away. Our first offer was much more than it should have been, and in the end, we gave up even more. Holland got played for an absolute fool. Even he knows that, which is why he came with all the excuses to his press conference.

Once again he's on the defensive because even he lacks confidence in the moves he's making.

I do wonder what the plan for this summer was. It wasn't likely to acquire Duncan Keith, since he wasn't available until just recently. So, the question needs to be asked - if this didn't suddenly become available and become the laser focus of the Oilers management team, then what was their game plan? Did they even have one? I assume if there was, it has been dashed today by this piece of idiocy, but honestly, I don't have any confidence they had any idea what to do until Chicago called and offered them a guy who used to be good. They probably told him that it would be just like that time when he acquired Chelios to play third pairing on a stacked team with double anyone else's payroll...

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 20:30

Anyone wanting to get in on a burger bet re: Duncan Keith the Oiler?

Y’all know I’m pro-Duncan the Oiler and I’m lovin’ today.

What's the bet? I'm down.

Although I do feel sorry for you. We're at least expecting the suck from Keith...you're the one he's really going to disappoint.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789062 is a reply to message #789059 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:22

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Adam wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 23:17

ggibbs wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 22:59

Plan was probably to wait and see what would shake loose around the expansion draft and free agency.

Then...we were blinded by the shine of 3 rings.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789063 is a reply to message #789025 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:22

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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Oh good, if McDavid somehow drags this team to win three rounds in the playoffs, the Oilers give up a higher pick. Perfect.

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17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789064 is a reply to message #789063 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:42

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Goose wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 23:22

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 16:02

The official deal:

Quote:

Still yikes.

Oh good, if McDavid somehow drags this team to win three rounds in the playoffs, the Oilers give up a higher pick. Perfect.

Pretty sure if this happens and the oilers are in the Cup final, people won’t be so butt hurt about this. But oh my gaaaaawd heaven forbid Holland does anything in this market lately.

Shore signs. WHY!?
Nuge signs. WHY THE TERM??
Keith trade. WHY!?

Let’s step back from the ledge people.

(This isn’t directed at Goose, just a general ‘people’)

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789065 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:43

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I don't have much more to add that hasn't already been said, other than the fact that I feel like Tippet is also to blame for this, given his penchant for playing veterans over young defencemen and keeping those young defencemen on incredibly short leashes. I don't know how a guy like Jones was supposed to establish himself as an Oiler when every mistake is met with a 6-10 game benching while Kris Russell is allowed to starfish himself around the ice endlessly.

The Oilers making a deal involving a team dumping salary and with that player holding his former team hostage with his NMC, and the Oilers somehow giving up more and no salary retained is the most Oilers thing ever.

This team. Gifted any team's dream of having 2 of the best centers on the planet (and one who could be the best player my kids ever see), and they continue to just shoot themselves in the face.

The Oilers without McDavid on the ice are terrible, and if next year is anything like last year, Nurse will be glued to McDavid. Meaning Keith will play most of his minutes without McDavid and nothing indicates he's going to move the needle on making this team better without McDavid.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789066 is a reply to message #789065 ]	Mon, 12 July 2021 23:49

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Goose wrote on Mon, 12 July 2021 23:43

I'll hold judgement on how terrible we are without McDavid until we see the Hyman-Nuge-Yamamoto line in action.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789067 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Tue, 13 July 2021 00:42

NetBOG
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Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown

2 Cups

I see Teammate Avry commenting on the deal for the Hockey News. Always knew he wanted to be in sports media. Didn't realize he made it. Congrats buddy.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789069 is a reply to message #789067 ]	Tue, 13 July 2021 05:33

Mike
Messages: 1067
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick

1 Cup

If he wanted to be here and nowhere else, and this is the best you could get from Bowman, you say thanks but no thanks. Hawks would be forced to either protect Keith in the expansion draft or buy him out.

If he’s bought out, you sign him for $1.5m after the expansion draft. Or if he’s protected, and they still want to trade him, then you stick to forcing them to retain half or take back James Neal or Koskinen. And you certainly don’t send them a pick. You get them to send you a pick.

It’s not like we were going to miss out on anything here. There was no rush. This was not a need. Every single card was in Holland’s hands. And he somehow still managed to get bluffed off the pot.

Why did he feel the need to do the Hawks a favour? Or Keith? His commitment should be to the Oilers. Not to the Blackhawks or any other team.

What an epic failure of a GM.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789070 is a reply to message #789062 ]	Tue, 13 July 2021 07:47

ggibbs
Messages: 13
Registered: September 2007

No Cups

Do you reallly think a long time NHL GM is blinded by the rings. Come on. This is a gamble yes. Any deal is. But this was a decision to improve this team now. I believe it does.

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789071 is a reply to message #788934 ]	Tue, 13 July 2021 07:58

Rutuu
Messages: 106
Registered: March 2011
Location: Brisbane

No Cups

The Canucks, Flames and Kraken all said no to this deal and we say yes?...and add a pick? angryfire

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Re: Duncan Keith to Oilers [message #789072 is a reply to message #789071 ]	Tue, 13 July 2021 08:05

RDOilerfan
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Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

I am not worried about losing Jones as I don't see him as any more than a 3rd pairing at best dman. Maybe not even full time. I definitely thought some retained salary should happen. I hope it works out but I am not too thrilled at the moment.

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