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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762564 is a reply to message #762562 ]	Fri, 26 June 2020 13:49

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 12:35

Ideally what we want is a play-in team to win the lottery, and then Oil to lose in 3 to Chicago, win 1st pick and draft Lafreniere. Rebuild complete!

Oh man that would be scrumptious! Can we lose every game 7-6 with double Drai and Connor hatties? That way we can blame all our problems on goaltending.

With Lafreniere on deck, autonomous Ken can dangle Nuge and Puljujarvi for a 'tender.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762565 is a reply to message #760423 ]	Fri, 26 June 2020 15:38

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16 of 302 NBA players test positive on initial mandatory test. NHL players are the same. Young, rich, and in their mind, invincible. Letting these guys in without a 100% bubble is not a good idea.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762825 is a reply to message #762565 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 15:49

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Vegas finally deemed no longer a front runner to host games. I guess they couldn't throw enough money at the NHL anymore to gloss over their out of control virus problem.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762828 is a reply to message #762565 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 15:54

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 15:38

I can't remember who the initial two NBA players were that caught the virus right before sports shut down (I miss sports, thank god I have marble racing). Do we know what happened to them? Have they recovered? How long did it take? Does it actually matter if pro athletes catch this virus? Like, are we worried Auston Matthews is going to die or be sick for months on end?

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762831 is a reply to message #762565 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 16:14

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 15:38

I see a lot of these comments here and on twitter. I have not seen any suggestion that the NHL is looking to do an imperfect bubble where there's a bunch of people going in and out. That's a recipe for disaster and there's too much money at stake.

Has there been any talk anywhere about letting families come in to the bubble, never mind letting them come and go from it? I haven't seen it anywhere, other than that moron Matt Wolf using families of NHLers visiting Banff as an excuse for the ridiculous video that Kenney shared.

Players testing positive are self-isolating and recovering before they're brought in to the bubble. They aren't going to let those guys practice with each other until they're healthy. I believe the plan is to have training camps for two weeks starting July 8th. That will mean everyone will be tested, and then self-isolate in their home city (or designated surrogate in the case of Calgary). After that, they'll fly together to the hub city with everyone with a clean bill of health and being tested regularly. If someone is sick, they stay home until they're well enough to come to the hub.

I expect that the league will put some measures in place to protect the bubble. Less housekeeping at the hotel, food delivery managed carefully. Team staff under the same rules as the players. Small number of medical staff provided by host team and under similar precautions. No families, or if they have to come, they can't leave the bubble (which is a pretty good reason not to bring family unless it's critical). It will be important to set ground rules for players - leave the bubble, and you have to self-isolate for two weeks, which means no playing or practicing or even hanging out with your team.

If they do this, I don't see there being a huge amount of risk here either to the NHL, or to the hub city. I'm pretty agnostic about actually winning it - I think the experience as a fan isn't going to be massively different if the Oilers are playing in an empty Rogers Place, or an empty Air Canada Center (did it get re-named?). I don't own a downtown hotel or restaurant, so my fortunes don't change if the city wins it, and I doubt there's a ton of trickle down benefit to winning the hub. I don't think COVID-era Edmonton is going to get a swell of tourists because of this.

But I also don't see a massive risk either. 1000 visitors is small potatoes really, and as long as they're serious about maintaining the bubble (which they sure as hell should be), then the risk of an NHLer causing an outbreak in Edmonton is really low.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762833 is a reply to message #762828 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 16:17

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 15:54

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 15:38

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/basketball/nba/nba-utah-jazz-covid -19-symptoms-1.5630776

Quote:

"I still feel strange things, but I have never been so long in my life without playing a basketball game," Gobert told L'Equipe.

"I don't know if that is it or the aftermath of the virus. I'm starting to train thoroughly, I still haven't played five-on-five, but I train individually, I do boxing, swimming, I run in the mountains. Today, I would not say that I feel more tired than before. But I had experiences, a month and a half ago, which scared me. I felt like ants in my toes and wondered what it could be. There were quite a few little things like that."

Here's one story on it. I don't think it's possible to look at any one person's experience as definitive though. There's been young, healthy people who've died from this too.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762834 is a reply to message #762831 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 16:54

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Even without a bubble, why are NHLERS at a higher risk of spreading the disease?

More than a typical 20 something?

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762837 is a reply to message #762834 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 17:16

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 16:54

Even without a bubble, why are NHLERS at a higher risk of spreading the disease?

More than a typical 20 something?

They're no more likely than anyone else to spread the disease. The concern people have is a thousand people coming from several different places to a hub. The more visitors, especially the more visitors from different places, and extra especially coming from hotspots like Florida and Arizona, the more risk you're bringing additional infected people to your city. Anyone they are in contact is at risk of catching and transmitting the disease further.

It's in the NHL (and NHLPA)'s best interest to keep the bubble tight, because their worst case scenario is a playoffs that stops partway and cancelling the playoffs due to multiple infected players, and potentially serious cases. That would be a black eye they'd want to avoid. It is how the last global pandemic ended for the NHL after all, including the death of a player in the Finals.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762839 is a reply to message #762837 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 17:49

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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 17:16

Magnum wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 16:54

Even without a bubble, why are NHLERS at a higher risk of spreading the disease?

More than a typical 20 something?

Coaches and staff are vulnerable too. Players would probably feel like absolute crap if they ended up with their coach badly ill.

Was gonna bring up Boudreau, but forgot he got fired. Lucky him :)

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762840 is a reply to message #762839 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 18:21

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 17:49

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 17:16

Magnum wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 16:54

Even without a bubble, why are NHLERS at a higher risk of spreading the disease?

More than a typical 20 something?

Coaches and staff are vulnerable too. Players would probably feel like absolute crap if they ended up with their coach badly ill.

Was gonna bring up Boudreau, but forgot he got fired. Lucky him :)

Its gotta be a tight bubble including 24 teams and anyone that is going to be in proximity to them....all in the bubble, all the way down to the last 2 teams. Isolate 2 weeks inside the bubble, test daily, and maintain the integrity of the bubble. Cant have anyone associated mixing with the public even at social distances, otherwise they will get the positives if positives are the measure, it will break down and fail.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762841 is a reply to message #762840 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 19:02

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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 18:21

I haven't heard anything about the NHL bubble, but if its anything like the NBA's, because of how much they cater to the player, it's not nearly 100% a bubble.

NBA system allows them to use theme parks, golf courses, pools, walking/hiking trails, shopping, nightclubs will be set up, dining rooms will be set up. Families will be let in after 2nd round. Disney employees (chefs, cleaners, maintenance, etc) will be allowed to go home when shift is over and won't be constantly tested. Just too many holes.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762842 is a reply to message #762841 ]	Tue, 30 June 2020 19:56

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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 19:02

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 18:21

Which would be why it's so important to the NHL that they pick a place that won't come down on them if a COVID-19 case appears in the "bubble". Hard to blame them too. Months of trying to make hundreds of guys and possibly families live their lives completely perfect? It's pretty much impossible.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762851 is a reply to message #762842 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

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The Dany Heatley pitch worked! I hope Jasper is in the bubble or there will be a lot of pissed off spouses!

I was 100% wrong! But, who would have guessed that Las Vegas would turn into a cesspool icon_lol

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762855 is a reply to message #762851 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 10:37

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

Wooo! Don’t know why there is a sense of pride in Edmonton being selected as a hub city, but there is. Kinda a feather in the cap I guess. I wonder if long term this might help us attract a couple free agents. Players get to see another side of Edmonton besides getting shipped from the airport to the hotel in the doldrums of winter

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762856 is a reply to message #762851 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 10:38

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

Pretty crazy. Definitely want details on what the plan actually is for letting the players families go around AB over the 2+ months. If we are cornering off chunks of Jasper of Banff, who is paying for that? If they are just letting families mix with the public and then come back to their family in the "bubble", well, I guess at least the NHL seems to have secured provisions from AB/ON on guys still being able to work in the "bubble" with asymptomatic COVID-19. Best of luck to the older coaches/staff and Max Domi :)

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762858 is a reply to message #762851 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 10:47

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

I wonder what the dressing room situation will be? Like, are all the other clubs going to use the baller home dressing rooms or do the arenas have more than one "non-home" dressing room?

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762859 is a reply to message #762842 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 10:50

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 19:56

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 19:02

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 18:21

It does sound like the PA was concerned about Vegas because with it +40 or more regularly, the players wouldn't really be able to do anything during the days. No golfing, no running outside. So suddenly Edmonton becomes more appealing than Vegas! The Vegas of the North! Mayor Bill Smith's dream finally accomplished.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762860 is a reply to message #762858 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 10:52

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JPro wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:47

Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

I wonder what the dressing room situation will be? Like, are all the other clubs going to use the baller home dressing rooms or do the arenas have more than one "non-home" dressing room?

Rexall Place definitely had several dressing rooms - although the Visitor Room was a big step up from those, and the Oilers room was much better yet.

I don't know about Rogers Place though...most I've seen is a glimpse in to the Oilers room from the doorway.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762861 is a reply to message #760423 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 10:55

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Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
EDM gets the Hub, an obvious decision that took too long to make. Lowest COVID by far.
They’ll also get Oilers and West teams, my understanding, with East playing in TOR.
Makes no sense for TV to have East teams out West.

I guess surprising, but not really surprising? I guess 1 team being at home in the "bubble" isn't really that big of a deal. Not enough to override how you can have all the teams playing their games in time slots that line up with where most of the fans of those teams are.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762862 is a reply to message #762861 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 11:01

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:55

And really, what's the home ice advantage? The team hasn't played in the building in months. There's no fans, so no emotional boost. They still have to stay in hotels, because the bubble isn't secure if they're in their own houses. Is it just that there's Oilers logos in the building?

Spector's still a bit of an idiot here. If the NHL had decided this earlier, they wouldn't have picked Edmonton, because there wasn't the resurgence in Nevada yet.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762865 is a reply to message #762859 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 13:24

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Adam wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:50

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 19:56

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 19:02

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2020 18:21

Maybe Iveson sent the NHL a video showcasing all the things for the players to do in downtown Edmonton: wander around Boyle-McCauley, explore the Chinatown/East Jasper Ave business areas, walk the wilds of 105 Ave north of the arena, take the LRT to the exciting Northlands' grounds, go to the Public Library Galactica, urban explore the abandoned parts of Edmonton Centre, and take the express bus to WEM.

NHL: So there is NO reason for the players to leave their hotel rooms, the pedway or the arena?

Ivy: Nope

NHL: Hub!

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762869 is a reply to message #762856 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 13:43

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:38

Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

So is that +1 for urban sprawl? I think that a MAJOR comorbidity factor of Covid death (not contraction) was air pollution. More people over less land = less air pollution per area, which then equals less badness happening when people contract Covid. Control sample Wuhan, NYC, and Saskatoon.

I live in DT so I don't get that protection, but I can only imagine that DT would be worse if it wasn't for Terwillegarites and Millywooders.

What's my point? I guess, I think being spread out is a pretty good thing, especially if you fill that space with green space.

Also, good job Katz.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762870 is a reply to message #762869 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 13:45

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[quote title=Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 13:43]

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:38

Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 07:57

https://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-and-toronto-set-to-be-nhl-hub-ci ties-1.1491108

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762871 is a reply to message #762862 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 13:51

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Adam wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 11:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:55

We have a guy in our office like Spector, who makes the easy conclusion everytime and thinks he's a genius, because the general population agrees with it. I can't stand easy conclusion guys or girls.

I'm ADDing hard today.

Anyway, I think most psychologist will agree that a sense of familiarity with affect things. Could be good could be bad, but it will have an effect.

Also, I think if you're the Oilers and you win at home, you know that right outside your doors, there's an entire pulsating population cheering for you. That could count for something, but it might make it enerving to be playing in a rink your familiar with, while zero people are cheering for you, while other teams are used to not being cheered for in that rink.

So many factors.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762872 is a reply to message #762871 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 14:00

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 13:51

Adam wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 11:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:55

There probably is some little advantage to using the facilities you have been familiar with through the playoffs. I wonder if they force the Oilers to use the visitor room though :) Still, all the other facilities and equipment, it's probably going to be nice for the players and the support staff.

And long shot, if we actually move through the playoffs and Edmonton gets these increasing cases under control. Imagine if we could open up allowing something like 1/5th capacity for sporting events? Nice little bonus for the league, and maybe the Oilers could have a friendly crowd up there.

Ugh...probably getting way ahead of myself there about the OIlers going far, but one can dream :)

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762873 is a reply to message #762862 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 14:22

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Adam wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 11:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:55

They know the boards!

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762874 is a reply to message #762872 ]	Wed, 01 July 2020 14:34

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 14:00

Magnum wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 13:51

Adam wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 11:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2020 10:55

It will be extra-embarrassing if they don't make it to the first round... that's a definite factor.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762905 is a reply to message #760423 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 09:21

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I was positive it was going to be Vegas and Toronto, and now we find out Edmonton is the ~~second~~ ~~third~~ ~~fourth~~ first choice to be a hub city.

It's clear the NHL didn't want to come to Edmonton for the mere reason that the Rockies aren't just off Whyte ave, or resort living isn't in Edmonton. I'm salted by the whole selection process.

On one hand, I'm thrilled for the hospitality industry because they needed some good news and hopefully it will be office and they get it and they get the money in droves.

If you don't want to read doom and gloom stop reading.. (many of you already have)

The other hand Edmontonians are at risk by allowing 300 people from all around the world to compete in a tournament to award a cup that may or may not get awarded. The players are at risk and how crappy if our McDavid got covid and it got so severe due to lung scarring or something else and he has to retire early.

The season should be shut down and cancelled until a viable vaccine is made, I cannot see this tournament completing. I just can't.

Then again, what do I know? Like everyone else, I'm dying to see the Oilers play and see live sports.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762914 is a reply to message #762905 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 11:40

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Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 09:21

So here's the thing:

The players will be safer in the bubble than they will be out of it. They'll be getting food supplied to them, they won't have friends asking them to go out. They won't have the temptations of other events - they'll just have the bubble and hockey with a bunch of other people who've been isolated. If you're an NHL team and you're worried about keeping your star players from catching this - this is probably the best case scenario. You're keeping them out of the general population.

There's no way to take the risk to zero, but it's quite low - people are tested before they enter the bubble, and then they maintain very low contact with the outside world. Twitter seems to be confirming today that families aren't invited.

The risk to the city is relatively low too - 1000 people in a city of a million people, who've isolated before coming to Edmonton and who are being sequestered away with limited contact? There should be very low risk of a NHL-driven outbreak in the city.

For the NHL and the players, this means millions upon millions of dollars, so given the relatively low risks, the only way this doesn't move forward is if one of the bubbles fails and there's a serious outbreak amongst the players.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762920 is a reply to message #762914 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 12:05

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Adam wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 11:40

Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 09:21

Both posts contain very valid points. Hopefully the NHL and Edmonton can pull this off, but all it takes is a few people to ruin it by not taking the quarantine/isolation/bubble seriously or being selfish about it.

Australia's 5-star hotel isolation/outbreak scandal:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/asia/victoria-quarantine-coro navirus-breach-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

Stay well all.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762926 is a reply to message #762914 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 12:28

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Adam wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 11:40

Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 09:21

I doubt the bubble will be sealed completely though. One anonymous player was talking about how they wanted Edmonton because it allowed them to get outside the hotel and do things like golf, go for runs, etc.

And honestly... that's probably okay. Outdoor social distancing is fair game. As long as "going outside the bubble" is for runs and golf and not for bars and restaurants.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762928 is a reply to message #762926 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 14:33

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 12:28

Adam wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 11:40

Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 09:21

The Edmonton bid was designed to make things like that possible. Moving the bubble - as in golf course A gets shut down at specific times or possibly for the duration so that the NHLers can use it.

There's no way the NHL can allow bars and restaurants. Team gatherings, sure. But they can't expose their players to servers or other patrons. And they have to make sure that the players know the risk in leaving - and that even if they don't get sick, if they're caught, they can't play for a significant amount of time. They have to take it seriously.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762929 is a reply to message #762928 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 14:36

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Adam wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:33

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 12:28

Adam wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 11:40

Rocksteady wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 09:21

You'd think they'd bring in and quarantine a small army of staff: waitresses, girlfriends, social coordinators, maids, tutors, and why not mixologists or anything else you'd find on a cruise ship.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762930 is a reply to message #762561 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 14:41

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GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 12:13

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 11:21

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 10:42

Gator21 wrote on Fri, 26 June 2020 10:12

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl-hub-city-decision-could-come-today-if -decision-reached-1.1489762

Looks like it's down to us vs. TO for the second site after Vegas with CHI and LA as fallback options

The more I think about it, the less I want this to happen here. Not that I wanted it that badly to start with. If we're bending over so the NHL can have all kinds of special conditions (COVID-19 positive people can keep on working in the "bubble") and we're hard selling to players that their families can go frolicking around the tourist areas of the province... it's starting to sound like a pretty bad idea. If we don't care about COVID-19 people interacting in the bubble, are we caring about the family members coming and going? Doubt it. Seems like our government is just desperate at this point.

The NHL is just playing cities against each other to see who will relax the health restrictions the most. They are masquerading about safety, but is low on priorities. And to be honest, I think the NHLPA is as much or more to blame. It’s the players that are saying they don’t want to come to Edmonton, not the league. The video the government did was solely for the WAGs.

They can go elsewhere, I have no interest in playing their game. If they want to put the season in jeopardy by holding in in places that are surging with cases, that’s on them. I doubt the season concludes did they do.

I would have strongly disagreed with this a week ago, but now I'm on board with everything you have said. Edmonton has more active cases than Calgary,and the bulk of the new cases have been people under 40. The virus is slowly but surely ebbing in Alberta, and the fewer temporary visitors from all over the world, the better for now.

Deaths of people in from 15 to 45 are below average now (based on Euro data), so it shouldn't be a concern.

It's like it should have been from the start, keep people at high-risk out of harm's way and let everyone else choose it they want the elevated risk. We don't stop people from working in the logging industry (most dangerous industry, Fatal injuries per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers: 97.6, Covid UK [worst country]: 68/100K).

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762931 is a reply to message #762930 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 14:50

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Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:41

It's like it should have been from the start, keep people at high-risk out of harm's way and let everyone else choose it they want the elevated risk. We don't stop people from working in the logging industry (most dangerous industry, Fatal injuries per 100,000 full-time equivalent workers: 97.6, Covid UK [worst country]: 68/100K).

That's what Sweden did... and it didn't turn out great, to be honest.

There's a lot of interests to balance and try and careful find the right weight for each. But it isn't out of place to the government to mandate certain temporary measures in the interest of public safety.

Ultimately people are going to make their own choices, but it isn't just deaths people should be concerned about (although they certainly should be concerned about that too). There's a lot of long-term damage that can be done, and in the case of athletes, it has the potential to be career-ending. It's low probability, but high stakes. I wouldn't fault any athlete for opting out for a season to protect their long-term career outlook.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762932 is a reply to message #762931 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 14:55

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:50

Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:41

Oddly, it was better than Spain, the UK, Italy, and God knows how many other countries that did full shut downs.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762933 is a reply to message #760423 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 15:03

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Connor lives in the JW Marriott building, right? Wonder if he gets to stay in his condo since it's within the bubble. Probably seen as some sort of advantage, but it would suck to live in the same building and then be forced to shack up in a smaller place and not get to see Lenny.

It does make me wonder what the residents of the Marriott building will do as they will be within the bubble confines, and likely have to leave for work.

Anyways, I think overall this is good news for the City of Edmonton and the NHL. Edmonton (and Vancouver) were the best places to host. After the NHL pushed Vancouver out, Edmonton and Toronto are the next best. The NHL and NHLPA may have had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the right conclusion, but at least they landed there.

Now the NHL, NHLPA, and City of Edmonton just have to not be stupid about it. I don't think the bubble will be completely locked down (I think players will want to go for runs, play golf, etc), but they need to find a way to keep the players out of the bars, and from hooking up with the locals. The very worst case for both the NHL and the City of Edmonton is for this thing to result in a bubble outbreak or public outbreak and have the season come crashing to the ground or the city see a massive spike as a result of the guests.

They have to monitor where the players go, how they interact with, who gets in and out of the bubble. They have to not do stupid things like let asymptomatic players out of the hotel room (yes it sucks, but it is what it is. You can't have them mixing with other players or the Edmonton public). Already, there are something like 30 players with cases, and Virtanen was out posting pictures partying at a bar, so I'm skeptical of players showing the necessary discipline, but they really need to. And if they can't voluntarily, they need to be forced to.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762934 is a reply to message #762932 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 15:04

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Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:55

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:50

Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:41

Oddly, it was better than Spain, the UK, Italy, and God knows how many other countries that did full shut downs.

Right, but not as good as Norway or Denmark.

Location, density, and proximity play factors here too.

(Ironically, all the best urban planning practices have proven to be the absolute worst during a pandemic).

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762935 is a reply to message #762932 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 15:06

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Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:55

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:50

Magnum wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 14:41

Oddly, it was better than Spain, the UK, Italy, and God knows how many other countries that did full shut downs.

That's not really odd. Italy and Spain were both hit early, before the severity was really known. Their health systems were swamped before they did a shut down.

Sweden, like Canada, had the benefit of seeing what happened in other countries and adapting to that. The UK also didn't do a full shutdown early - they in fact said they were pursuing a herd immunity strategy at the point where other nations were shutting down. That went so poorly that they had to switch course.

As I've said before, with Sweden, if you compare it to the other Scandinavian countries, who got the first cases around the same time and who did shut downs as opposed to what Sweden did, the per capita cases and deaths are much worse for Sweden. Even the Swedish government has now said that their strategy was flawed, so unless you cherry pick stats, that is objectively not the best strategy to pursue.

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Re: Oilers pitch bid with government to host games [message #762936 is a reply to message #762933 ]	Thu, 02 July 2020 15:11

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 July 2020 15:03

I thought McDavid lived in a big modern cube house somewhere in town. He put up some videos recently of working out in his setups at home in the yard/garage.

Maybe he owns something at the JW too? Maybe to be fair and to eliminate home advantage he has to let Giordano live in it :)

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