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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #45) [message #750938 is a reply to message #750935 ]
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Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:51

It's amazing to see the mood on here with a couple wins. Ah the cycle of being a fan..

That said the McDavid goal was wowowowowowow and wow. It was nice to see Chiasson get one with a filthy snipe.

I liked seeing the depth scoring, and it's interesting to see the MSM start saying that the team is one or two wingers away from being an elite team. Now woah there nelly, I think they need better D and two wingers, but hey that's me.

I love the beatdown of the Leafs, but they just about lost it when it was 4-3. It could have been nasty.




Just out of curiosity, I checked our none top 5 forward goals and I think were up to 31 now. Last year we had 43. Not great, but an improvement at least, especially since I think we had 0 at the end of Oct hehe.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #45) [message #750939 is a reply to message #750935 ]
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Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:51

It's amazing to see the mood on here with a couple wins. Ah the cycle of being a fan..

That said the McDavid goal was wowowowowowow and wow. It was nice to see Chiasson get one with a filthy snipe.

I liked seeing the depth scoring, and it's interesting to see the MSM start saying that the team is one or two wingers away from being an elite team. Now woah there nelly, I think they need better D and two wingers, but hey that's me.

I love the beatdown of the Leafs, but they just about lost it when it was 4-3. It could have been nasty.



The Oilers went into Boston who's a very good team and very good at home and then beat them handily. Normally after a big win, the Oilers would be do for a crap effort. I can't remember what they said on the pregame but the Oilers hadn't beat the Leafs in several years, the Leafs prior to last game were 8-0-1. The score looked closer that it was but the Oilers went in to Toronto on a national game even broadcast in the States and beat the Leafs and looks good doing it.

The Oilers have their issues, they aren't a complete team but it's nice seeing the Oilers beat 2 really good teams, look good doing it and it's nice being in the hunt for a change. Sure McDavid had 4 points but it wasn't McDavid scoring a hat trick and Leon getting a couple of goals, they got goals from 6 players, 2 dmen, a bottom 6 guy and someone other than Leon and McDavid.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Toronto (Game #45) [message #750943 is a reply to message #750934 ]
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Disagreed. It was the very definition of BOTH slashing AND hooking. An Oiler got a penalty in a recent game for slashing and the replay showed he barely even touched the glove or stick and the Oiler was called


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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:40

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 15:21

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:08

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 13:45

PlusOne wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 13:34

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 12:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 10:06

I don't see a ref in the second gif. There was no way anyone could see that hook. I mean, I'm looking at it now and I don't even know what you want me to see.


The start of the gif you see the end of the chop on Mcdavid's arm, and he keeps the pressure on the arm so Mcdavid can't stick handle the puck. Believe ref is on the right of the picture watching the play.

I guess McDavid could have sold it harder. Damn guy keeps trying to fight his way through stuff. He needs to watch more Pettersson and Gaudreau.


@Pi
If you watch very closely there is a ref in the very last frame of the GIF in the right corner.

@KR55 (or really anyone else that expected a call there.
1. That is a play that happens on almost every shift. Much like they say there is holding on every play in football. If this tiny thing was called every time there would be zero 5 V 5 hockey.
2. Ignoring point one for a moment this is a spot on the ice where the most calls are missed. The ref I mentioned in the corner is obstructed by Nuge and two Leafs. At the same time he is watching for interference by the Leafs and Nuge potentially going to the net hard. Add in that is his job to call a goal or not if a shot happens and he will rarely see that play.
The backside ref likely has a better sight line but cant see him. His view of exactly what went down is likely obscured by Matthews and would make it tough to make a call.

This is the kind of play that complaining about makes Oilers fans look bad. complaining about refs constantly is for bush league teams. Dont go full Canuck EVER

KR is likely right that a dive is needed to get a call there but I would much rather the team play the right way and not turn into the Canucks/Ducks/ETC




I don't think that happens all the time. McDavid has a path to the net with the puck and a guy had to hack on him from behind to mess his ability to handle the puck. That's called a lot.

I would bet the ref actually saw that play. He is likely up the half wall when that play happens. By the end of the video he's coasted more to the goal line.

you can see him in the reflection under the IBM ad half way through. There is a possibility he couldn't see what was happening. The idea that both refs missed that is... I mean, it's possible.


Ah, you see him 2nd in the reflection, so he was trailing a bit and could see it :)


Good eye. Saw ref one but missed ref 2 in the reflection.

I still think it is a borderline call at best and not surprised it wasnt called. I remember there was an twitter account last year that created a GIF like this for every McDavid missed call (as defined by said user)
Another user created an account and replied to EVERY ONE with a matching GIF of the an Oiler committing the same act and not getting called from within the season.
There are entire threads of McDavid being accused of diving and making "whining" faces and complaining to refs. It was the same with 99 just pre internet/social media.

I am onboard saying the reffing is below what it should be in the NHL, but that has been a fact in every sport as long as there has been sports.
Every team has bad calls for and against them.

This last few games has been much better, but the list of things stopping this team from being a true contender is long, reffing is WAY down that list.
Pretending the Oilers are getting some sort of bias against them seems silly to me.



Pettersson with a wonderful example last night of how it's done

https://media.giphy.com/media/Wq2wbU87OfPiZgLjCV/giphy.gif

Similar play, McDavid actually had better position in his case. But, one guy tries to fight through it. One makes an attempt to be Superman. Cirelli called for hooking.



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Still thinking about that goal. That's something you expect to see in basketball.


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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 11:29

Still thinking about that goal. That's something you expect to see in basketball.

While we are speaking of great goals, don't forget this one by Wayne Gretzky!



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I do not miss over the air television.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 13:02

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 11:29

Still thinking about that goal. That's something you expect to see in basketball.

While we are speaking of great goals, don't forget this one by Wayne Gretzky!


And check out Looch's 4th of the season from the other day!

https://www.nhl.com/video/lucics-fortuitous-ppg/t-311593122/ c-4970928

You usually only see that stuff in soccer!



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 13:07

I do not miss over the air television.

I remember how big it was when my Dad got a Channelmaster and a booster so the antenna could be turned to get channel 13 (ITV, now Global), so we could watch Oilers hockey once a week (maybe twice on the rare occasion CBC ran the Oilers on HNIC). Cutting edge when we got a 27" TV with a remote! You had to get your info from a short highlight package on the tail end of the news, read a paper, subscribe to Hockey News (at minimum a week behind once it arrived). Those were the days!

30 channel cable was like Nirvana after that. Jaysus I'm old....😂😂



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 01:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 13:07

I do not miss over the air television.

I remember how big it was when my Dad got a Channelmaster and a booster so the antenna could be turned to get channel 13 (ITV, now Global), so we could watch Oilers hockey once a week (maybe twice on the rare occasion CBC ran the Oilers on HNIC). Cutting edge when we got a 27" TV with a remote! You had to get your info from a short highlight package on the tail end of the news, read a paper, subscribe to Hockey News (at minimum a week behind once it arrived). Those were the days!

30 channel cable was like Nirvana after that. Jaysus I'm old....😂😂


I still remember the 4-channel days...and the fact that they only played a select number of Oilers games on TV each year. There were lots you had to listen on the radio to.

It does make you feel old.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 08:46

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 01:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 13:07

I do not miss over the air television.

I remember how big it was when my Dad got a Channelmaster and a booster so the antenna could be turned to get channel 13 (ITV, now Global), so we could watch Oilers hockey once a week (maybe twice on the rare occasion CBC ran the Oilers on HNIC). Cutting edge when we got a 27" TV with a remote! You had to get your info from a short highlight package on the tail end of the news, read a paper, subscribe to Hockey News (at minimum a week behind once it arrived). Those were the days!

30 channel cable was like Nirvana after that. Jaysus I'm old....😂😂


I still remember the 4-channel days...and the fact that they only played a select number of Oilers games on TV each year. There were lots you had to listen on the radio to.

It does make you feel old.

CTV was 2-3
CBC was 4-5
Access was 9
French CBC was for the odd Habs' game
ITV was 13

Dad used to lie on the floor and change the channel with his toes because we didn't have a remote, but the wood panel TV had a BIG keypad. The time lag on updates was incredible. You had no idea what was happening in non-Oilers / televised games until intermission or Sports Night came on and you couldn't get updated stats until the Tuesday paper... which was GLORIOUS.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 09:03

Adam wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 08:46

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 01:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 13:07

I do not miss over the air television.

I remember how big it was when my Dad got a Channelmaster and a booster so the antenna could be turned to get channel 13 (ITV, now Global), so we could watch Oilers hockey once a week (maybe twice on the rare occasion CBC ran the Oilers on HNIC). Cutting edge when we got a 27" TV with a remote! You had to get your info from a short highlight package on the tail end of the news, read a paper, subscribe to Hockey News (at minimum a week behind once it arrived). Those were the days!

30 channel cable was like Nirvana after that. Jaysus I'm old....😂😂


I still remember the 4-channel days...and the fact that they only played a select number of Oilers games on TV each year. There were lots you had to listen on the radio to.

It does make you feel old.

CTV was 2-3
CBC was 4-5
Access was 9
French CBC was for the odd Habs' game
ITV was 13

Dad used to lie on the floor and change the channel with his toes because we didn't have a remote, but the wood panel TV had a BIG keypad. The time lag on updates was incredible. You had no idea what was happening in non-Oilers / televised games until intermission or Sports Night came on and you couldn't get updated stats until the Tuesday paper... which was GLORIOUS.



Sports Night on ITV...so good. Darren Dutchyshen & Perry Solkowski were fantastic. I even loved the segments with Bryan Hall because those guys would just give him the gears. That was truly can't-miss-TV.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 08:46

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 January 2020 01:09

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 January 2020 13:07

I do not miss over the air television.

I remember how big it was when my Dad got a Channelmaster and a booster so the antenna could be turned to get channel 13 (ITV, now Global), so we could watch Oilers hockey once a week (maybe twice on the rare occasion CBC ran the Oilers on HNIC). Cutting edge when we got a 27" TV with a remote! You had to get your info from a short highlight package on the tail end of the news, read a paper, subscribe to Hockey News (at minimum a week behind once it arrived). Those were the days!

30 channel cable was like Nirvana after that. Jaysus I'm old....😂😂


I still remember the 4-channel days...and the fact that they only played a select number of Oilers games on TV each year. There were lots you had to listen on the radio to.

It does make you feel old.


Imagine how kids now will look back at watching hockey on lame 4K TV's as they put on their 16k glasses to watch the games in VR*

*VR perspective and available camera angles depends on how big a fee you are willing to pay



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