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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745648 is a reply to message #745645 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 12:13

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Adam wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 10:45

Did you expect this team given where the idiot previous GM left it, to be any better depth wise? Chia gutted the depth. He traded a decent 3rd line center in Strome for a guy who can't play in the NHL. He traded a decent bottom 6 winger in Caggulia for a dman who probably at best and I might be high, plays 15 games a season for any team. Some teams none. The Oilers 3rd line should probably be:
Caggulia - Strome - whoever.

That wouldn't be a horrible 3rd line. All Chia had to do was NOTHING and his team would have been better off last season. Chia would have been better off just to trade Strome and Caggulia for picks. At least then the Oilers wouldn't have 3.15 in Gagner and 2.2 in Manning to deal with. I don't care who's the GM, you don't recover from trades that bad in 1 offseason.

With the amount of times people mention the lack of depth and leaning on McDavid and Leon over and over again. It's pretty much daily. It's almost like people are surprised. I get accused of being too positive and even I had my doubts about all these guys. I just hoped a couple would be able to put in 10 goals but didn't think they all would.

I remember floating this before the season and you saying they couldn't possibly be worse than last year and that we were in a MUCH better position...and then again when Gagner got sent down, because you didn't think he could skate with NHLers, and thought the other bottom 6ers were a much better fit...

I do think there was likely more than could have been done this summer, but Holland saw this year a lost cause. It will be interesting to see how the Oilers respond to this surge - especially if it continues through November. If we are a contending team without significant contributions from the depth, well, first off, that just shows just HOW good our top players are, and secondly, at some point the management has to throw these guys a lifeline. I expect the first help comes from the minors, but there's a limit to what we have there. We don't have the third line center who can be a catalyst on the farm, and Holland will have to go out and get that guy - no matter what it takes.

I am pretty sure I never once said the Oilers bottom 6 was high end. All I said was I didn't think they would be as bad as they were as in record setting.

The Oilers had a guy in Rieder who set an NHL record for the amount of shots taken without a goal. I didn't at the time nor do I think they will now have a player break Rieders record.

I believe the Oilers got the lowest amount of goals from the bottom 6 in something like 30 or 40 yrs. I didn't at the time nor do I think they will now match that total and get the lowest amount of goals in 40 yrs.

Does the bottom 6 not scoring more concern me a little? Yes it does. We are 11 games in and personally if it was me, I would wait a little longer before I break out the old "I told you so's'. But if you want to beat me over the head with that prediction 11 games in to make yourself feel better, go ahead.

I think a change will happen soon if things don't improve. The Oilers had:
Archibald - 1 shot
Kharia - 0 shots
Sheahan - 1 shot
Russell - 0 shots
Granlund - 0 shots
Gagner - 3 shots.

You can't have 3 guys with no shots.

When it comes to Gagner. The coach sent him down to the minors and said specifically he was sent down because he doesn't play on the PK and they want more speed and guys who play on the PK in the line up in the bottom 6. So you want to call me out for me stating and agreeing with what the coach said, the guy in charge making MILLIONS of dollars to make those calls?

[Updated on: Fri, 25 October 2019 12:20]

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745665 is a reply to message #745578 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 14:29

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Oilers are 5th in PK, 9th in goals against, and 1st in points. Thats all Tippett cares about.

I'm sure he's just fine with the bottom 6 not producing, if they can hold the 18 or so minutes they are forced to play. Even better that they are given PK duty. Just let the big boys score.

Gagner hasn't been here because he doesn't fit that role. Chiasson and Jurco can better move between the top and bottom 6.

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745667 is a reply to message #745665 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 14:59

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:29

The problem is that the 4th line aren't just incapable of scoring, they also can't hold opponents off the scoreboard 5-on-5. They are liabilities.

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745668 is a reply to message #745667 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 15:54

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:59

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:29

The problem is that the 4th line aren't just incapable of scoring, they also can't hold opponents off the scoreboard 5-on-5. They are liabilities.

There's nothing to worry about. The oilers had the same issue last year but McDavid, Draisatl and Nuge all had careers years and everything ended up fine.

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745669 is a reply to message #745668 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 16:47

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 15:54

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:59

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:29

The problem is that the 4th line aren't just incapable of scoring, they also can't hold opponents off the scoreboard 5-on-5. They are liabilities.

There's nothing to worry about. The oilers had the same issue last year but McDavid, Draisatl and Nuge all had careers years and everything ended up fine.

Oilers were 2.79 GF and 3.30 GA last season.
They are 3.09 GF and 2.36 GA this season so far (weaker schedule, small sample size).

It's a better team. Other numbers are great too. PP is #2, PK is #5. Tippett implemented a new system that is working, and in that system the lower guys are just tasked with holding until the big boys are rested.

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745670 is a reply to message #745669 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 16:58

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That sure sounds a lot like last year's system

Clean house or bust

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745671 is a reply to message #745669 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 17:56

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 16:47

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 15:54

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:59

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:29

The problem is that the 4th line aren't just incapable of scoring, they also can't hold opponents off the scoreboard 5-on-5. They are liabilities.

There's nothing to worry about. The oilers had the same issue last year but McDavid, Draisatl and Nuge all had careers years and everything ended up fine.

How many teams do you think have only six forwards who've scored so far this year?

How many teams do you think have their bottom six forwards on pace for 8 goals on the season?

The answer? One. The Red Wings depth has been equally ineffective, so they nicely demonstrate what it would look like if we were missing one of our top guys - they're in 29th place as of today.

A quick look shows that most teams have had goals from 9-11 forwards this far in to the season.

Someone used McKinnon and Rantanen as a comparable, but the Avalanche have 11 forward goal scorers to and NINE goals from guys outside the top six scorers so far.

Last season the Oilers set a modern day record for lack of production by their depth, and they're on pace to score less than 20% of that total at the moment.

McDavid is on pace for 150 points right now. Draisaitl is on pace for 140 points. The last time anyone cracked 140 was 1995-96 when Lemieux and Jagr cleared that hurdle, so if the plan is to have the bottom six simply check the other team to a standstill, it's an awful lot to hope that the top end guys can continue clicking at this rate.

I would love to see them score that much, but it would make everyone's life a lot easier if the third and fourth line chipped in at least a moderate amount of goals.

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Re: Review: Washington @ Edmonton (Game #11) [message #745672 is a reply to message #745671 ]	Fri, 25 October 2019 18:07

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Adam wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 17:56

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 16:47

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 15:54

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:59

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 25 October 2019 14:29

The problem is that the 4th line aren't just incapable of scoring, they also can't hold opponents off the scoreboard 5-on-5. They are liabilities.

There's nothing to worry about. The oilers had the same issue last year but McDavid, Draisatl and Nuge all had careers years and everything ended up fine.

I don't get the sense either that Tippett is telling the 3rd/4th line guys to just bottle up. They are trying to rush pucks, D are still activating to try to keep cycles alive. It's just so rarely going to the net. We're probably already in that zone now where our depth guys are feeling like a bunch of embarrassing a-holes for accomplishing nothing 5v5. Really hope something does go in soon.

On the topic of the bottom 6. Archibald is out for a month with a broken foot. Might be time to call up one of the skilled laddies.

[Updated on: Fri, 25 October 2019 18:09]

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