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See ya Pete. I had high hopes when you came in here and you’ve taught me to never have faith in OEG decisions. The awful part about this is you can’t even be happy that this nightmare story is over. It’s more like an awful chapter in the middle of a long, War & Peace type horror novel.
Does K. Gretzky trade the first? Buy out Lucic? We know things will get worse because they always do here in Edmonton, but worse how?!
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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twilson1111
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Last night I went to bed visualizing burning my Oilers jerseys. Is it time yet? Or are we still bottoming out? I want to make sure that I burn them at the correct time.
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smyth260
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Keith Gretzky is going to be named interim GM. Matheson saying he has paid his dues and it is not nepotism:
Keith Gretzky's first NHL job was with the then Phoenix Coyotes in 2001. Know who had ownership in the Coyotes then? Brother Wayne...but that was probably no help in getting him a job.
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twilson1111
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I think they trade Draisaitl or Nuge in order to get a 5-6D, plus useless CHL player or two.
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CrusaderPi
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:09 |
Keith Gretzky is going to be named interim GM. Matheson saying he has paid his dues and it is not nepotism:
Keith Gretzky's first NHL job was with the then Phoenix Coyotes in 2001. Know who had ownership in the Coyotes then? Brother Wayne...but that was probably no help in getting him a job.
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Quiet down you. Stop peaking behind curtains.
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| twilson1111 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:08 |
Last night I went to bed visualizing burning my Oilers jerseys. Is it time yet? Or are we still bottoming out? I want to make sure that I burn them at the correct time.
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I’ll never burn a jersey, or anything like that. I used to buy a new one yearly, didn’t get one this year and I sure as poop won’t be spending money on a new one anytime soon.
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twilson1111
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Looking back, the decision to play Petrovic and send down Jones probably also wasn’t Chias decision. I think his boss said - well let’s at least see if the NEW guy we got is any good. That answer was quickly obtained which was the last piece of info needed.
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twilson1111
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Okokok a fringe 3-4D
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twilson1111
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That guy gets cheered every time he touches the puck, he should consider himself lucky
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Oscargasm
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:11 |
| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:09 |
Keith Gretzky is going to be named interim GM. Matheson saying he has paid his dues and it is not nepotism:
Keith Gretzky's first NHL job was with the then Phoenix Coyotes in 2001. Know who had ownership in the Coyotes then? Brother Wayne...but that was probably no help in getting him a job.
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I mean, ignoring the obvious, it at least APPEARS as though he’s done his time and climbed the perverbial ladder to being a GM.
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| twilson1111 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:14 |
Looking back, the decision to play Petrovic and send down Jones probably also wasn’t Chias decision. I think his boss said - well let’s at least see if the NEW guy we got is any good. That answer was quickly obtained which was the last piece of info needed.
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Could include Spooner playing last night, AFTER CLEARING WAIVERS, to this as well.
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twilson1111
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Why not? We could put it on YouTube - it would be a whole thing. Burn it all DOWN!!!!
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twilson1111
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Not sure if I’d see them still wanting the job. you walk into one of the biggest failures in NHL history with Connor’s wasteage. That’s something that only someone who is desperate or delusional would do. Now, if the whole management changed out, then that’d be less of a poison chalice.
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Oscargasm
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Not to be lost in all of this;
We all complained about the MacT blender, but this Hitch blender has been next level. I get that he feels he needs to find SOMETHING that works with this sorry group of forwards but holy crap. That has to be super frustrating for the players. How do you trust what you’re being told when the second you make a mistake or get scored on your line assignments change. How do you build confidence? How do you build chemistry? Not to mention our PP units, which weren’t any better under Todd.
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:56 |
| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:36 |
The Flyers fired Hextall this year and brought in an outside hire for the interim GM role (Chuck Fletcher).
Given the Oilers braintrust (including Gretzky) has damaged so much, nobody in that group should be making decisions. If other teams can find an outside hire in a short time, so can we. We just choose not to. Nearest warm body, as always.
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I want the Oilers to get this next GM right. They haven't done that with the previous guys. So I have no problem letting Gretzky sit in his same office, doing most of the same duties he's been doing, maybe doing a couple more things like call ups that might be considered "GM duties" which aren't going to make a damn bit of difference while they look for the right guy.
Are the Oilers a mess? YES but they have McDavid. So good people will STILL want this job. Does this team need some changes, YES. But there are a bunch of good pieces so you aren't starting from scratch. When looking for a replacement, anyone who's actually really good, is not going to either take the job to be an intern GM or leave their current job just to potentially have a job for a few months.
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The question is - do you believe that the Oilers want to go through the process of looking for a new GM? Or is this just an attempt to slide their favoured person in to the chair without bringing too much heat. They are concerned about the accusations of nepotism so they don’t outrigjt name him at this point. They’ll do it quietly this spring - saying that they thought he did a great job under tough circumstances and he’s EARNED the chance to continue.
Is there anyone out there who really believes that Nicholson did a “forensic audit” of the team? Everyone knows what the real problems were with the Oilers and those didn’t change. Yes, MacT wasn’t GM any more but he got job security and now gets to sit behind the curtain with Lowe - part of making hockey-related decisions but not burned in effigy nearly so often. I guarantee that there was no report ever generated by Nicholson. I fear this GM search will be more of the same. They’re going to give it real lip service today and then magically find that the best person for the job is surprisingly the guy who was sitting two offices down. It’s the Oilers way.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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| twilson1111 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:16 |
That guy gets cheered every time he touches the puck, he should consider himself lucky
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Sometimes it’s difficult to differentiate, are ppl saying Looooooo or Boooooooo?
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twilson1111
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I think there was an audit, but between the lines you could tell It didn’t really apply to anyone above GM, although they would have given that lip service. The auditors generally don’t find anything wrong with their own conduct.
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Oscargasm
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:23 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:56 |
| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:36 |
The Flyers fired Hextall this year and brought in an outside hire for the interim GM role (Chuck Fletcher).
Given the Oilers braintrust (including Gretzky) has damaged so much, nobody in that group should be making decisions. If other teams can find an outside hire in a short time, so can we. We just choose not to. Nearest warm body, as always.
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I want the Oilers to get this next GM right. They haven't done that with the previous guys. So I have no problem letting Gretzky sit in his same office, doing most of the same duties he's been doing, maybe doing a couple more things like call ups that might be considered "GM duties" which aren't going to make a damn bit of difference while they look for the right guy.
Are the Oilers a mess? YES but they have McDavid. So good people will STILL want this job. Does this team need some changes, YES. But there are a bunch of good pieces so you aren't starting from scratch. When looking for a replacement, anyone who's actually really good, is not going to either take the job to be an intern GM or leave their current job just to potentially have a job for a few months.
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The question is - do you believe that the Oilers want to go through the process of looking for a new GM? Or is this just an attempt to slide their favoured person in to the chair without bringing too much heat. They are concerned about the accusations of nepotism so they don’t outrigjt name him at this point. They’ll do it quietly this spring - saying that they thought he did a great job under tough circumstances and he’s EARNED the chance to continue.
Is there anyone out there who really believes that Nicholson did a “forensic audit” of the team? Everyone knows what the real problems were with the Oilers and those didn’t change. Yes, MacT wasn’t GM any more but he got job security and now gets to sit behind the curtain with Lowe - part of making hockey-related decisions but not burned in effigy nearly so often. I guarantee that there was no report ever generated by Nicholson. I fear this GM search will be more of the same. They’re going to give it real lip service today and then magically find that the best person for the job is surprisingly the guy who was sitting two offices down. It’s the Oilers way.
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Lowe is 100% out of all hockey ops related business, didn’t you hear? Haha fml.
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Another thing.. what did those draft picks we lost for Chiarelli, and McClellan's hire turn into... need to add that as part of the ledger for his time here.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:29 |
Another thing.. what did those draft picks we lost for Chiarelli, and McClellan's hire turn into... need to add that as part of the ledger for his time here.
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Losing those draft picks is all on the OBC's heads. They all need to go if we're going to be certain that the disease is purged from the organization.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
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twilson1111
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Who knows maybe the blender is also an artifact of Chia almost being out the door and applying pressure on Hitch as a result. When my boss gets nervous he starts stirring up issues and asking for changes.
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twilson1111
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Good call. My money says the OBC demanded he play all the new guys and then held a private viewing party to convince each other that the problem is indeed, Chia, and to strengthen OBC solidarity in the face of adversity.
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It’s behind a paywall, which I’m not a patron of, but it appears Pierre LeBrun has taken a look at some possibilities of who can replace Chiarelli and the photo is of Kelly McCrimmon, Brandon Wheat Kings Owner and Governor
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:29 |
Another thing.. what did those draft picks we lost for Chiarelli, and McClellan's hire turn into... need to add that as part of the ledger for his time here.
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Holy poop... how’d I forget this? 2017 2nd for Pete and was it a 2016 3rd for Todd??
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Chiarelli finally getting the axe will likely up Mclellan's chances of getting another NHL head coaching job. Just too bad the crap show had to go on for so long. Had they done this a year or more ago, more might have been able to be salvaged but as it is even an astute manager like Lou Lamorello would have a hard time fixing things. Gonna be though sledding for whoever takes it on.
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| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:23 |
Not to be lost in all of this;
We all complained about the MacT blender, but this Hitch blender has been next level. I get that he feels he needs to find SOMETHING that works with this sorry group of forwards but holy crap. That has to be super frustrating for the players. How do you trust what you’re being told when the second you make a mistake or get scored on your line assignments change. How do you build confidence? How do you build chemistry? Not to mention our PP units, which weren’t any better under Todd.
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Was great for 10 games. Nice to have a fresh voice, especially one that’s so eloquent and intelligent sounding. After the season is over though, I hope they part ways.
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Mike
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We all know it. Everyone knows that the only constants have been the OBC. When do they start getting called out? We've seen a hint of it here and there, but nobody in the MSM has ever come out and really shone a light on it. We need that to start happening and MAYBE, just maybe the noise gets loud enough for Katz to hear and finally do something about it.
He's a smart business man - he needs to understand that never being in the playoffs is leaving a ton of money on the table, and nobody in the history of the NHL has ever done a better job of keeping his teams out of the playoffs than Lowe and Co.
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| philly boy wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:40 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:23 |
Not to be lost in all of this;
We all complained about the MacT blender, but this Hitch blender has been next level. I get that he feels he needs to find SOMETHING that works with this sorry group of forwards but holy crap. That has to be super frustrating for the players. How do you trust what you’re being told when the second you make a mistake or get scored on your line assignments change. How do you build confidence? How do you build chemistry? Not to mention our PP units, which weren’t any better under Todd.
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Was great for 10 games. Nice to have a fresh voice, especially one that’s so eloquent and intelligent sounding. After the season is over though, I hope they part ways.
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Indeed, the 10 game stretch that the team seemed to find a gear was good. But they’ve reverted hard since.
Unless it remains KG, whoever the new guy is will being in a new staff prior to the draft.
Gotta feel a bit for Yawney, Manny and GG. Brought into this burning barrel.
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I had the same thought but doubt very much that "they" would let him make that decision on his own. I still think Koskinen can be a very good goalie if given a half decent defence to work with. That move was the least of "his " blunders. He just replaces Talbot at roughly the same money and Talbot is over unless he wants to come back at a reduced rate as second or backup.
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Oscargasm
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| Mike wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:42 |
We all know it. Everyone knows that the only constants have been the OBC. When do they start getting called out? We've seen a hint of it here and there, but nobody in the MSM has ever come out and really shone a light on it. We need that to start happening and MAYBE, just maybe the noise gets loud enough for Katz to hear and finally do something about it.
He's a smart business man - he needs to understand that never being in the playoffs is leaving a ton of money on the table, and nobody in the history of the NHL has ever done a better job of keeping his teams out of the playoffs than Lowe and Co.
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Maybe today is the day?
MSM has been pretty open in their disdain for Chiarelli of late, perhaps they go hard at Nicholson for the OBC today? Though, if they do Bobby will 100% say KLowe has nothing to do with Hockey Ops and that MacT’s role in Ops is only advisory.
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| overdue wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:46 |
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I had the same thought but doubt very much that "they" would let him make that decision on his own. I still think Koskinen can be a very good goalie if given a half decent defence to work with. That move was the least of "his " blunders. He just replaces Talbot at the same money.
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An interesting article on Oilersnation about the goaltending.
https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/23/examining-nhl-goalie-mar ket/
The author pretty much covered every goalie one can think of that may be available and most of them are just as big of a gamble as Koskinen. The couple that probably aren't a gamble I think will cost too much.
It doesn't mean I like the signing, I still think it was done way too early. But I do not think this signing was a Chia signing, it was an organization signing. They looked at the market, looked at who could be available and decided they were better off keeping the guy they know. I am not sure it's the right call, I wouldn't have made the call right now but I don't think it was a Chia call.
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Maybe the Hitch blender was designed to screw things up badly enough to give them the excuse they were looking for to get rid of Chia. I agree there has to be some consistency and chemistry built between players and you can't do that if you're switching them around all the time. From bad to worse.
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| Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:34 |
It’s behind a paywall, which I’m not a patron of, but it appears Pierre LeBrun has taken a look at some possibilities of who can replace Chiarelli and the photo is of Kelly McCrimmon, Brandon Wheat Kings Owner and Governor
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I'll share the list.
Kelly McCrimmon - The assistant GM of the Vegas Golden Knights
Mark Hunter - The former Maple Leafs assistant GM
Doug Armstrong - Currently the GM in St. Louis
Ken Holland- Currently the GM in Detroit
Bill Zito - The Blue Jackets assistant GM and former agent
Pat Verbeek - Part of Tampa Bay management
Ron Hextall - Former Flyers GM
Scott Mellanby - The Habs assistant GM
Mike Futa - The Kings assistant GM
Bill Guerin - Assistant GM for Penguins.....nooooo
Laurence Gilman - The former Canucks assistant GM and current Maple Leafs assistant GM
Norm MacIver - The longtime Blackhawks assistant GM and former Oiler!
Sean Burke - Canada’s Olympic GM from last year was a longtime assistant GM in Arizona.
I just hope that they do an extensive search to get the right guy.
Clean house or bust
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Rishaug gets the first question at the presser. Interesting, wouldn't you say? I don't believe TSN is a rights holder. If I'm CHED or SNET, I'm pissed.
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It's all on the players Nicholson says. They have played good games, therefore they must be able to play that way every night.
This guy doesn't get the NHL. He is obviously going by a tournament mindset.
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| Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:23 |
The question is - do you believe that the Oilers want to go through the process of looking for a new GM? Or is this just an attempt to slide their favoured person in to the chair without bringing too much heat. They are concerned about the accusations of nepotism so they don’t outrigjt name him at this point. They’ll do it quietly this spring - saying that they thought he did a great job under tough circumstances and he’s EARNED the chance to continue.
Is there anyone out there who really believes that Nicholson did a “forensic audit” of the team? Everyone knows what the real problems were with the Oilers and those didn’t change. Yes, MacT wasn’t GM any more but he got job security and now gets to sit behind the curtain with Lowe - part of making hockey-related decisions but not burned in effigy nearly so often. I guarantee that there was no report ever generated by Nicholson. I fear this GM search will be more of the same. They’re going to give it real lip service today and then magically find that the best person for the job is surprisingly the guy who was sitting two offices down. It’s the Oilers way.
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Even if they do bring in an "outside" hire, how far outside will they really be? Chiarelli was an outside hire, and the Oilers ended up doing the same things they always do: rushing prospects to sell hope, trading skill for grit and "good in the room", throwing players under the bus and not doing anything organizationally to provide cover for guys who were getting beat up in the media, etc, etc.
I'm actually happy that they are making Gretzky the GM at this point. At least it provides some (faint) hope they will go through an actual process. They hired Chiarelli, what, 3 days after he was let go by Boston? But then again, he was their guy and they already knew that, so what's the point of actually doing interviews. The arrogance of this group given their performance is really breathtaking.
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| Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:08 |
It's all on the players Nicholson says. They have played good games, therefore they must be able to play that way every night.
This guy doesn't get the NHL. He is obviously going by a tournament mindset.
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My level of hatred for Bobby Nick is reaching K-Lowe levels.
I'm at work in a meeting, so any kind of updates would be great.
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Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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Nicholson is a clown.
Tychkowski tried to shine a light on the cancers, Nicholson poo poos it and goes on to say "Kevin Lowe is VERY important to this club"...and it's all the players' fault. The guys who have been here all along are great. It's the players. Unbelievable.
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smyth260
Messages: 950
Registered: November 2007
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Nicholson conference summary:
- No deadline to find a new GM...no rush. Uh oh.
- Nicholson oversees hockey ops, Gretzky oversees GM duties.
- Believes they can make the playoffs, won't give away future unless it's a good fit.
- It was decided before the game to fire Chiarelli. Officially fired in 2nd period? Didn't catch that.
- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.
- Onus is on the players to get consistent and play like they can to make the playoffs.
- Too early to say if more changes in hockey ops are coming.
- Praises Keith Gretzky's work in the draft.
- When asked about problems running deeper than GM and coach, he says constant change wasn't good.
- When asked about OBC involvement, says it's not true at all. Says Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops decisions.
- Says he thinks we bring up young players too early.
- Says we aren't in a rebuild. Solution is in the dressing room.
- Reaffirms that Hitchcock is just head coach for rest of year.
I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.
Clean house or bust
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