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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:59

Manning healthy scratch already. Plays exactly as expected based on his play for Chicago all year and many articles about how bad he's been and how impossible it was supposed to be for Chicago to get rid of him.

Clueless, runs around like a dummy, puts teammates in crap positions, minimal skill with the puck.

1 more year at 2.25M...


If Katz was a business man as far as hockey goes, he’d make Chia pay it out of his own salary.

Trading Caggiula for Manning is a spectacular failure of GMing. Except for the Blackhawks who look like geniuses.

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nullterm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 17:24

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:59

Manning healthy scratch already. Plays exactly as expected based on his play for Chicago all year and many articles about how bad he's been and how impossible it was supposed to be for Chicago to get rid of him.

Clueless, runs around like a dummy, puts teammates in crap positions, minimal skill with the puck.

1 more year at 2.25M...


If Katz was a business man as far as hockey goes, he’d make Chia pay it out of his own salary.

Trading Caggiula for Manning is a spectacular failure of GMing. Except for the Blackhawks who look like geniuses.

Stan Bowman vs Chia in a trade? Who wouldn’t expect Chia to be @$$raped in the deal?

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 Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726659 is a reply to message #726658 ]
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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 17:29

nullterm wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 17:24

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 15:59

Manning healthy scratch already. Plays exactly as expected based on his play for Chicago all year and many articles about how bad he's been and how impossible it was supposed to be for Chicago to get rid of him.

Clueless, runs around like a dummy, puts teammates in crap positions, minimal skill with the puck.

1 more year at 2.25M...


If Katz was a business man as far as hockey goes, he’d make Chia pay it out of his own salary.

Trading Caggiula for Manning is a spectacular failure of GMing. Except for the Blackhawks who look like geniuses.

Stan Bowman vs Chia in a trade? Who wouldn’t expect Chia to be @$$raped in the deal?


It's nuts. ANy trade involving Manning should have had Chicago trying to convince someone else to take on a terrible contract. Chicago should have had to pay a team to take that garbage. We paid instead. We paid a team to take their garbage contract that they badly wanted to dump because it was attached to a useless player.

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Desperate times call for desperate measures. Chia is such a fool ( or those behind him pulling the strings )

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 Re: Manning in, Caggiula and Garrison out [message #726709 is a reply to message #726412 ]
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welcometotheOC wrote on Wed, 02 January 2019 19:55

Chicago does not save cap space with respect to the Garrison transaction to which I was referring. Whether he goes to the minors or contract terminated it makes no difference whatsoever to Chicago’s cap number.



....so how does this work? Is Garrison completely off the Chicago books now?....

https://www.tsn.ca/ex-oilers-d-garrison-signs-with-djurgarde ns-1.1237366

....."Garrison, who had his contract terminated by the Chicago Blackhawks last week after failing to report to the AHL, has signed with Djurgardens IF of the SHL.

The 34-year-old was acquired by the Blackhawks eight days ago along with Drake Caggiula from the Oilers for defencemen Brandon Manning and Robin Norell. However, the team said Wednesday Garrison did not report to the AHL's Rockford IceHogs, which led to him going on waivers for contract termination."....


.yes Djurgardens....the same team that Robin Norell is currently playing for....

....this has to be one of the weirdest trades in Oiler history....Caggiula can't play for Chicago because the US government is shut down and he can't get a work visa....can't wait to see what the Oilers pull off at the trade deadline....

edit:...I was wrong about Caggiula....he played for the Blackhawks in their victory over Pittsburgh...

https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/chi-vs-pit/2019/01/06/2018020 650#game=2018020650,game_state=final,game_tab=stats

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A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Well, he did take out the best player in the game for half a year. Could come in handy for the playoffs.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:46

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Well, he did take out the best player in the game for half a year. Could come in handy for the playoffs.

What's a playoffs?

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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 09:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


McLellan also was reported to have been scratching Bouchard so that management had no choice but to send him back to junior.

A lot of info is coming out post-firing. It seems likely that McLellan is feeding some stories, after all according to Friedman he didn't go quietly. If all this is true though, sure sounds like McLellan was the only one with common sense on a few issues.

I thought there was some disconnect between McLellan and Chiarelli when Ryan Strome was taken off McDavid's wing immediately in preseason.

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 11:12

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 09:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


McLellan also was reported to have been scratching Bouchard so that management had no choice but to send him back to junior.

A lot of info is coming out post-firing. It seems likely that McLellan is feeding some stories, after all according to Friedman he didn't go quietly. If all this is true though, sure sounds like McLellan was the only one with common sense on a few issues.

I thought there was some disconnect between McLellan and Chiarelli when Ryan Strome was taken off McDavid's wing immediately in preseason.


There did not seem to be consensus between the two, and I do think McLellan is happy to launch grenades from the sidelines. I would guess he's concerned about his own hire-ability after his stint here, and he figures that the worse Chia looks and the more people dismiss the performance due to poor roster construction, the better the chance he actually finds big league work again.

It'll be interesting to see if it works. I expect people can see through the anonymous stories and realize who's feeding them out there, and there were things that McLellan did that aren't desirable in a coach - no matter what the roster looks like. For me, the three worst things were:
1) Poor communication - verified by several former players, he wasn't giving players a lot of feedback.
2) Poor in-game & in-series adjustments - Say what you will about the complete failure of Chiarelli to improve his team going in to the playoffs in 2016-17, but McLellan did not adjust to what Anaheim did, didn't respond to the tactics or games that Carlyle played, and was flat-out out-coached by a guy who isn't known for out-coaching anyone. The Oilers lost to a team that had worse health and lower top end players and who was fairly easily dispatched in the next round. Most of that is on McLellan
3) Failure to adapt his game plan to the team he was presented with. While his roster was not perfect (and arguably got worse every season), McLellan seemed to want to adjust his team to the system and style he wanted to play, rather than adjust the system to the players. That's not a positive aspect of a head coach.
4) Finally, his special teams were awful. The depth of the team was not a strength, but with the powerplay, he was able to put out some of the best players in the league - and he managed to create a man advantage that was sub-par. He didn't make up for that on the PK either. The team bled goals against when short, and generally got stymied when they were up a man. On top of that, he was stubborn when it wasn't working and slow to adjust. I didn't like his habit of using powerplay time as a reward either.

All those things, and if I was running an organization, I sure wouldn't hire him, but we'll see - maybe he can convince a team to take him on nonetheless. If he does get a new gig elsewhere as a NHL head coach, he will be the first Oilers coach since Ron Low to accomplish that...

Whatever the case, I do kind of enjoy seeing these stories show up that illustrate how bad Chiarelli actually is. One hopes that those help to force the team to make a change. I just wish it would happen soon so that Nicholson & Company probably also are forced out at year's end...(I understand, that's probably wishful thinking...)

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I haven't taken a close look at the Sharks record before and after Todd was their coach but am pretty sure they got better after he was replaced. You could make a case for lack of talent and depth on the Oilers but a coach's job is to make the best of what he has and mould a team that can be competitive at the least. Hitchcock has done a much better job of assessing the players and trying to put them in a position to be more successful even though the results have been far from perfect at times. ( losing two important players long term in the same game didn't help ) Not sure where it goes from here but it's a lot better than it was before Mclellan was fired.

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David Schlemko clears waivers. Definitely better than Manning and probably better than Petrovic. Way to work the phones Chiarelli.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:56

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:46

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Well, he did take out the best player in the game for half a year. Could come in handy for the playoffs.

What's a playoffs?


I think it happens between when our season ends and the draft lottery. Not 100% sure though.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 20:08

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:56

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:46

Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 10:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Well, he did take out the best player in the game for half a year. Could come in handy for the playoffs.

What's a playoffs?


I think it happens between when our season ends and the draft lottery. Not 100% sure though.

The Masters? You’re talking about the Masters, right?

Isn’t it wild that the Sens opted to give Colorado this year’s pick instead of last years (knowing full well they were likely dealing Karlsson and/or Hoffman. They currently sit with the highest odds to win the lottery... Colorado that is, with the Sens pick.

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Isn’t it wild that the Sens opted to give Colorado this year’s pick instead of last years (knowing full well they were likely dealing Karlsson and/or Hoffman. They currently sit with the highest odds to win the lottery... Colorado that is, with the Sens pick.


And the guy they traded for the pick will probably be gone by then too. Got to think Stone and Duchene are gone from Ottawa in the next month.

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overdue wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 18:05

I haven't taken a close look at the Sharks record before and after Todd was their coach but am pretty sure they got better after he was replaced. You could make a case for lack of talent and depth on the Oilers but a coach's job is to make the best of what he has and mould a team that can be competitive at the least. Hitchcock has done a much better job of assessing the players and trying to put them in a position to be more successful even though the results have been far from perfect at times. ( losing two important players long term in the same game didn't help ) Not sure where it goes from here but it's a lot better than it was before Mclellan was fired.


You've made me curious:

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2002-03 San Jose Sharks NHL Head‡ 57 19 31 7 0.395 Out of Playoffs
2003-04 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 43 21 12 6 0.634 Lost in round 3
2005-06 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 44 27 0 11 0.604 Lost in round 2
2006-07 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 26 0 5 0.652 Lost in round 2
2007-08 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 49 23 0 10 0.659 Lost in round 2

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2008-09 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 53 18 0 11 0.713 Lost in round 1
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2010-11 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 48 25 0 9 0.640 Lost in round 3
2011-12 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 43 29 0 10 0.585 Lost in round 1
2012-13 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 48 25 16 0 7 0.594 Lost in round 2
2013-14 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 51 22 0 9 0.677 Lost in round 1
2014-15 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 40 33 0 9 0.543 Out of Playoffs

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2015-16 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 46 30 0 6 0.598 Lost in Finals
2016-17 San Jose Sharks NHL Head 82 46 29 0 7 0.604 Lost in round 1
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So they generally trended up under Wilson, although in part due to the acquisition of Joe Thornton in 2005-06. They kept up for one year under McLellan, then the trend was slightly worse almost every year. He had some pretty fantastic teams there - Thornton, Marleau, pre-decline Dany Heatley, Dan Boyle, Pavelski, eventually Couture and Burns...really good goalie in Nabokov too. DeBoer's team has trended up, despite the fact that team is getting pretty old. There's an argument from these numbers that McLellan is the third best head coach they've had in the last decade and a half. Fourth best if you include that guy behind their bench tonight...

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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 22:31

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 20:19


Isn’t it wild that the Sens opted to give Colorado this year’s pick instead of last years (knowing full well they were likely dealing Karlsson and/or Hoffman. They currently sit with the highest odds to win the lottery... Colorado that is, with the Sens pick.


And the guy they traded for the pick will probably be gone by then too. Got to think Stone and Duchene are gone from Ottawa in the next month.

That’s right. Holy smokes. Now who’s the worse GM... Dorion or Chiarelli? This might warrant its own thread.

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So Chicago has been trying to acquire Caggiula since he was a free agent. They really wanted him. Yet, somehow they were also able to dump a terrible contract on us to get him. We managed to establish ourselves as the more desperate party in the negotiation because we wanted Manning so badly. We probably didn't even know Chicago really wanted Caggiula.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2019 11:05

So Chicago has been trying to acquire Caggiula since he was a free agent. They really wanted him. Yet, somehow they were also able to dump a terrible contract on us to get him. We managed to establish ourselves as the more desperate party in the negotiation because we wanted Manning so badly. We probably didn't even know Chicago really wanted Caggiula.

Ummmmmm...fire everyone please.


But Chiarelli has such a good rapport with the other GMs throughout the league. Clearly he knew it was Quenville that really wanted Drake, not Bowman. He had to sell Bowman on Caggiula and on top of that, had to give 8th dman Jason Garrison to get him to take Drake.

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 11 January 2019 10:13

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 11 January 2019 11:05

So Chicago has been trying to acquire Caggiula since he was a free agent. They really wanted him. Yet, somehow they were also able to dump a terrible contract on us to get him. We managed to establish ourselves as the more desperate party in the negotiation because we wanted Manning so badly. We probably didn't even know Chicago really wanted Caggiula.

Ummmmmm...fire everyone please.


But Chiarelli has such a good rapport with the other GMs throughout the league. Clearly he knew it was Quenville that really wanted Drake, not Bowman. He had to sell Bowman on Caggiula and on top of that, had to give 8th dman Jason Garrison to get him to take Drake.


I wonder if negotiations go kinda like the McDavid contract.

Chia says he really really really wants Manning, and he just hands a blank contract to the other team and they can fill out whatever they want in return. He depends on them feeling shame and not wanting to take advantage too much of this guy they really like personally, cause Chia is just such a good dude and they all like him. They only take advantage a little bit.

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Saw this on twitter, haven't been able to find the source yet:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwvxx3HVsAAuIT2.jpg:small

You just don't often see players take shots at their last general manager on the way out the door. It's just another sign of how screwed up things are here in Edmonton...

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Wow! not really surprising. Makes you wonder if Chiarelli was fulfilling some kind of debt obligation with Bowman. It doesn't make sense from any angle especially given that Manning isn't very good, way over priced for what he brings, and we had D coming back from injury. This one really stinks! Probably made Cagulla happy though.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 08 January 2019 09:44

A couple little tidbits from Dustin Neilson:

Quote:

This story is actually even more ridiculous than it sounds. I do believe it’s been mentioned that Chiarelli has always had Manning on his radar but how about this little tidbit. I’ve been told by a very reliable source that at one point over the last two years Chiarelli actually had a deal in place to acquire Manning. He was ready to pull the trigger but his coaching staff told him not to do it. I don’t know what that deal was but I find it fascinating he has wanted Manning for so long and was told by his last coaching staff the player wasn’t worth picking up. Looks like they were right.

I also snagged this quote from an NHL Scout shortly after the Manning deal was made. “I have no idea what Peter is hoping to accomplish with Manning. He’s a fringe bottom pairing d-man on his best day.”


So basically, McLellan had said he didn't want the player, so once McLellan was out of the way, Chiarelli went right back to trying to acquire him, despite the fact that the numbers and news on him were all bad. I wonder if the Oilers didn't just look at the McDavid hit, and decide that made him somehow desirable, just because he got in a lucky shot once...

Sigh.

Here's the link to the article quoted:

https://oilersnation.com/2019/01/08/catching-up-brandon-mann ing-alex-petrovic-line-combinations-and-spengler-cup/?utm_so urce=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


But if McDavid single handily gets the team to the playoffs then Chia keeps his job. LOGIC.

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nullterm wrote on Sun, 13 January 2019 17:56

But if McDavid single handily gets the team to the playoffs then Chia keeps his job. LOGIC.

This is the Catch-22 that all Oil fans need to worry about.

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 13 January 2019 20:16

nullterm wrote on Sun, 13 January 2019 17:56

But if McDavid single handily gets the team to the playoffs then Chia keeps his job. LOGIC.

This is the Catch-22 that all Oil fans need to worry about.


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According to TSN 1260, Manning is on waivers. when he is sent down to Bakersfield, the cap saving will be 1.063 million.


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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 10:14

According to TSN 1260, Manning is on waivers. when he is sent down to Bakersfield, the cap saving will be 1.063 million.




Hope he can be a decent AHL D and doesn't wreck the streak!

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Manning clears waivers and then spends the rest of the season watching from the press box in Bakersfield because he can't crack the line up.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 10:14

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 10:14

According to TSN 1260, Manning is on waivers. when he is sent down to Bakersfield, the cap saving will be 1.063 million.




Hope he can be a decent AHL D and doesn't wreck the streak!

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 11:14

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 10:14

According to TSN 1260, Manning is on waivers. when he is sent down to Bakersfield, the cap saving will be 1.063 million.




Hope he can be a decent AHL D and doesn't wreck the streak!

Absolutely. Also I get the overabundance of dmen with Reg back, but I’m surprised that they didn’t send JP down with all the chatter of late. Perhaps a deal is in the works...

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Manning clears waivers and then spends the rest of the season watching from the press box in Bakersfield because he can't crack the line up.


...and next year too. doh

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Manning clears waivers and then spends the rest of the season watching from the press box in Bakersfield because he can't crack the line up.


...and next year too. doh

I keep forgetting that he’s under contract for next season also. Ugh. Bury him and take the just over 1M cap hit instead of a buy out. Please.

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 12:30

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 13:07

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Manning clears waivers and then spends the rest of the season watching from the press box in Bakersfield because he can't crack the line up.


...and next year too. doh

I keep forgetting that he’s under contract for next season also. Ugh. Bury him and take the just over 1M cap hit instead of a buy out. Please.


Yeah - Chiarelli couldn't have screwed us over more if he'd full-on been trying to do it.

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 12:30

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 13:07

overdue wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 10:50

Manning clears waivers and then spends the rest of the season watching from the press box in Bakersfield because he can't crack the line up.


...and next year too. doh

I keep forgetting that he’s under contract for next season also. Ugh. Bury him and take the just over 1M cap hit instead of a buy out. Please.

I’m starting to think we lost the Caggiula trade.

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Yeah - Chiarelli couldn't have screwed us over more if he'd full-on been trying to do it.


He had to cement his legacy on the way out. He wanted to make sure that Oilers fans would be talking about him long after he was gone.

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Yeah - Chiarelli couldn't have screwed us over more if he'd full-on been trying to do it.


He had to cement his legacy on the way out. He wanted to make sure that Oilers fans would be talking about him long after he was gone.


Makes you wonder if he was working under cover for the Flames.

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Goose wrote on Tue, 19 February 2019 10:07

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 February 2019 11:34


Yeah - Chiarelli couldn't have screwed us over more if he'd full-on been trying to do it.


He had to cement his legacy on the way out. He wanted to make sure that Oilers fans would be talking about him long after he was gone.


Makes you wonder if he was working under cover for the Flames.


Yeah, but who is the guy who hired Chiarelli working for? What about the guy that hired that guy? How deep does the Oilers swamp go? What if Katz is a manchurian candidate?

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Edmonton Oilers defenceman Brandon Manning is being healthy scratched.... by the Bakersfield Condors.

The Oilers are now paying the guy who injured Connor McDavid $2.5 million to sit in the press box of AHL arenas.

This is peak Oilers.

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Edmonton Oilers defenceman Brandon Manning is being healthy scratched.... by the Bakersfield Condors.

The Oilers are now paying the guy who injured Connor McDavid $2.5 million to sit in the press box of AHL arenas.

This is peak Oilers.

It's perfect. Why wouldn't you want that guy?

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 March 2019 22:19

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Edmonton Oilers defenceman Brandon Manning is being healthy scratched.... by the Bakersfield Condors.

The Oilers are now paying the guy who injured Connor McDavid $2.5 million to sit in the press box of AHL arenas.

This is peak Oilers.

It's perfect. Why wouldn't you want that guy?


Chia was trying to get him for a year straight. Apparently no one that knew this in the org felt the need to tell him he was trying to get an overpaid POS that can't do anything.

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