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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #726645 is a reply to message #726629 ]	Sun, 06 January 2019 15:54

Kr55
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jerekybeef wrote on Sun, 06 January 2019 13:48

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/kings-place-scherbak-wai vers-wideman-schmaltz-also-waived/

Wideman already on waivers in Fla.

This team is a complete joke. Management needs to be involved in some kind of life altering freak accident that only leaves them unable to work for the team any longer. No other impairments.

I bet the NHL is not pleased with the Oilers for the last decade, getting too many players close to the pensionable service number while not being NHL calibre.

Turns out we are the cap dump team for everyone. And we even pay teams with picks and last semi-useful once in a while wingers to take their cap dumps.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741633 is a reply to message #726118 ]	Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

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Things didn't work out for Petrovic, but he still has some hope. After proving he was no match for Matt Benning's compete level, he's earned a PTO with the Bruins.

https://www.tsn.ca/report-former-oilers-panthers-d-alexander -petrovic-signs-pto-with-boston-bruins-1.1352941

He couldn't help his home town team. I will be amazed if he helps the Bruins.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741682 is a reply to message #741633 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741683 is a reply to message #741682 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741688 is a reply to message #741683 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 09:11

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

Pretty incredible that in a short spurt of panic, Peter Chiarelli gave up Drake Caggiula, Jason Garrison, Chris Wideman and a third round pick for two guys who played only 17 games between them in Petrovic and Manning.

Garrison and Wideman both combined for only one more NHL game last year after that, but still...we traded for two other guys who weren't NHL calibre any more (and who'd both been healthy scratched multiple times) and gave up an NHL-calibre winger and a third round pick. And on top of that, we're stuck with Manning's dreadful contract for another year yet. Just terrible.

Caggiula isn't a great player, but he would still easily be in our top 12 up front - and hilariously, he's $750K cheaper than Manning.

Were these the moves that had Terry Jones calling Chiarelli a genius?

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741691 is a reply to message #741688 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 10:20

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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 09:11

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

Well, I think we did win a game or 2 after those moves. ANd Hitch was thanking baby jesus for his new cycle stoppers.

It's not Chia or Jones' fault that Toby didn't do his part and get 10-12 goals.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741694 is a reply to message #741691 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 11:23

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 10:20

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 09:11

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

Well, I think we did win a game or 2 after those moves. ANd Hitch was thanking baby jesus for his new cycle stoppers.

It's not Chia or Jones' fault that Toby didn't do his part and get 10-12 goals.

Here's the game log for Alex Petrovic - almost as rosy as you remembered - we went 2-2 in this first four games.

Mon 12/31 vs WPG L 3-4
Wed 1/2 @ ARI W 3-1
Sat 1/5 @ LA L 0-4
Sun 1/6 @ ANA W 4-0
Tue 1/8 @ SJ L 2-7
Tue 1/22 vs DET L 2-3
Wed 2/13 @ PIT L 1-3
Fri 2/15 @ CAR L 1-3
Sat 2/16 @ NYI L 2-5

2-7 overall! What a trade!

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741695 is a reply to message #741694 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 11:36

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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 11:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 10:20

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 09:11

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

Well, I think we did win a game or 2 after those moves. ANd Hitch was thanking baby jesus for his new cycle stoppers.

It's not Chia or Jones' fault that Toby didn't do his part and get 10-12 goals.

If only Terry Jones had focused on calling McDavid and Draisatl wussies instead of complimenting Chiarelli. He needs to remember what he is best at.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741697 is a reply to message #741695 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 12:42

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 11:36

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 11:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 10:20

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 09:11

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

Well, I think we did win a game or 2 after those moves. ANd Hitch was thanking baby jesus for his new cycle stoppers.

It's not Chia or Jones' fault that Toby didn't do his part and get 10-12 goals.

If only Terry Jones had focused on calling McDavid and Draisatl wussies instead of complimenting Chiarelli. He needs to remember what he is best at.

He's trying to do too much. It's a team game. Teams win by everyone doing their part. The Oilers have too many media sycophants and not enough media grit.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741699 is a reply to message #741697 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 12:59

CrudeRemarks
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 12:42

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 11:36

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 11:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 10:20

Adam wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 09:11

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 07:11

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 August 2019 01:28

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 19 August 2019 11:46

So glad PC burned a 3rd on that deal.....

Straight up one for one deals are so boring though. We gave the marginally more useful player (wideman could at least complete a pass), it was only fair that we add.

Well, I think we did win a game or 2 after those moves. ANd Hitch was thanking baby jesus for his new cycle stoppers.

It's not Chia or Jones' fault that Toby didn't do his part and get 10-12 goals.

If only Terry Jones had focused on calling McDavid and Draisatl wussies instead of complimenting Chiarelli. He needs to remember what he is best at.

He's trying to do too much. It's a team game. Teams win by everyone doing their part. The Oilers have too many media sycophants and not enough media grit.

Go back to your roots Terry.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Oilers trade Wideman and a 3rd for Petrovic [message #741720 is a reply to message #726115 ]	Tue, 20 August 2019 19:11

mightyreasoner
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Meh, I stand by most of this. He definitely couldn't do Top-4 anymore, and really never caught on in Edmonton. I was fine letting him walk. But he was better than a lot of the alternatives we were dressing at the time. I always at least *understood* this trade.

That Caggiula for Manning trade will never be able to be defended, never made a lick of sense, and I wasn't even a Caggiula fan.

mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 30 December 2018 13:34

Oilers are giving up a lot of picks, which isn't great. But we got the better NHLer here.

I think its reactionary to complain (I'm seeing a lot of it), but I can't be too upset about this. Petrovic is an experienced NHLer with some good years left, RH shot, can play Top-6 and move into Top-4 in a pinch.

He is better than Wideman.
He is better than Garisson.
He is better than Gryba.
He is better than Rinehart.

He doesn't bring much for offense, but hopefully he can provide a little stability.

For now I imagine:

Nurse / Larsson
Jones / Petrovic
Gravel / Benning

When healthy, I see:

Klefbom / Larsson
Nurse / Petrovic
Sekera / Russell
Gravel

AHL: Bear, Jones, Garisson

This summer I wouldn't mind seeing Bear and Jones replace Sekera and Russell and upgrading the spot Petrovic is filling.

Petrovic isn't world class, but he's better than everyone people are comparing him to and complaining about. He does make them a little deeper, but just not enough.

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