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Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712247]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:12

SunshinesDad
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Oilers pick up Flyers 6th round draft pick from 2015 draft in exchange for the 3rd round pick from NJ.

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-acquire-rights-to-c-marody-from-fl yers-1.1033750

https://www.courierpostonline.com/story/sports/nhl/flyers/20 17/11/11/flyers-prospect-watch-cooper-marody-tear-michigan/8 55334001/

[Updated on: Wed, 21 March 2018 12:15]

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3PCGZ_c0m91rN7zn75aow

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712248 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:18

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Who?

I just looked him up. He's right handed. Other than that, I never heard of him.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712249 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:22

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Never heard of him either.

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/stats/overall.php

He's tied for 10th in NCAA scoring, right hand shot centre.

Career numbers :

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=248334

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712250 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:22

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Right shot centre. Seems to be trending up, led the Big 10 in scoring this year with 46 points in 37 games for a Michigan team that will play in the NCAA tournament starting this weekend.

Short circuits a couple of development years as he is a Junior and turned 21 in December.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712251 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:26

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See, this I don't get. We know picks are overvalued on the draft floor, so why spend a 3rd on a player that will likely never play for the Oilers when we can use that pick as a sweetener in a package that actually address holes in our roster. We got Talbot for a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th. We got Maroon for a prospect and pick. This is not an uncommon thing, yet we waste a bullet on a kid who is a long-shot for depth role a few years down the road.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712252 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:26

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Another interesting read. Marody's story in his own words.

http://mihockey.com/2017/09/mistory-dream-big-by-cooper-maro dy/

"One day I was watching a documentary about one of my idols on YouTube called, “Inside the Mind of Tom Brady.” I was surprised to learn that Tom Brady’s champion mindset was developed with the help of Harden. The documentary describes in fascinating detail Tom Brady’s challenging path to greatness.However, what resonated with me the most was when Harden said, “My job was to convince Tom Brady that with or without football he was going to be great. And once he seized that, he had no limits. I expected him to be good at everything that he did…everything.”

After hearing that, I was compelled to seek out Greg Harden. From the first meeting I had with Greg, he told me to plant the mindset into my head that, “With or without hockey, you will be great.” He told me to work to be great at everything I did, including hockey, music, school, everything.

So what does this ‘with or without’ mindset really mean? It is certainly not taking away your drive or commitment to being a professional athlete. It is doing the exact opposite. It’s fostering your drive by freeing your mind and encouraging you to avoid putting all of your self-worth into solely being an athlete. It allows the athlete to see that they are a multi-dimensional human being. To be truly successful, it is crucial to focus on not only striving to be a great hockey player, but also striving to be a great man in all aspects of your life. Professional success would mean nothing to me if I were not also a great husband, father, and role model someday.

It all goes back to what my dad preached to me from a young age.

“Be a fine young man that happens to play hockey.” "

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3PCGZ_c0m91rN7zn75aow

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712253 is a reply to message #712250 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:28

SunshinesDad
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Apparently he had Mono in his freshman year and missed most of the season and then because he didn't get enough credits due to the Mono in his Freshman year he wasn't academically qualified to play in his second year so this year is basically his first year of playing in College.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3PCGZ_c0m91rN7zn75aow

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712254 is a reply to message #712251 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 12:36

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ziltoid wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:26

I have no clue about this kid or whether he will ever play with the Oilers. I don't know what the odds are of the chances of a 3rd round pick making the NHL but they are pretty low. You are drafting these kids when they are 17, maybe 18 yrs old and projecting what they MIGHT do years from now when they are playing men. Right now they are up against kids. You think he will grow more but there is no guarantee. You think he will get faster but that isn't a guarantee. You think whatever holes in his game will get better with age but you don't know that. Yak was supposed to be this goal scoring, point producing top 6 guy. So much so he was the consensus #1 pick. He is what, a 4th liner at best?
If you pick a kid in the 3rd round and IF he ends up making the NHL. From the time you are drafting him at 17/18, its probably 4 yrs before you see him in the NHL. At least with a 21 yr old. You know how big he is, you know what his skating is like, you know what his strengths and weaknesses are. So I don't see it as a bad deal.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712255 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:00

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I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Marody? Is he a parody?

If he thinks he's great, then he must be great? Great right?

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712256 is a reply to message #712255 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:05

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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:00

I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Teams can trade players that aren't eligible for the NHL playoffs at any time, even between the trade deadline and the end of the playoffs.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712257 is a reply to message #712256 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:09

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Goose wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:05

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:00

I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Teams can trade players that aren't eligible for the NHL playoffs at any time, even between the trade deadline and the end of the playoffs.

So if the Oilers make the playoffs this year, Marody can't play in them. Got it.

I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

Anyway, I hope Cooper has a good career and can push the defensemen in Bakersfield when he's ready to go there. One wonders how long he's going to stay playing college hockey.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712258 is a reply to message #712257 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:21

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:05

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:00

I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Teams can trade players that aren't eligible for the NHL playoffs at any time, even between the trade deadline and the end of the playoffs.

Given the forwards the Oilers are icing these days, he could probably walk right onto the NHL roster, so if I was him I would strike while the iron is hot.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712259 is a reply to message #712256 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:22

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Goose wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:05

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:00

I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Teams can trade players that aren't eligible for the NHL playoffs at any time, even between the trade deadline and the end of the playoffs.

From what I understand any team can trade for any player after the deadline but that player will just be unable to play in the playoffs that year. So technically we could negotiate a trade for Stamkos right now but obviously a team that is going to the playoffs wouldn't trade someone now.

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-3PCGZ_c0m91rN7zn75aow

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712260 is a reply to message #712257 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:27

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I would hope trading a 3rd pick next year for just his rights means that he'll be signing soon but you never know with Chia. He better get him to put pen to paper though otherwise I would have to think Philly loves the idea of using our 3rd round pick then signing him in August next year.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712261 is a reply to message #712258 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:30

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Goose wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:21

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:09

Goose wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:05

Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:00

I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Teams can trade players that aren't eligible for the NHL playoffs at any time, even between the trade deadline and the end of the playoffs.

Given the forwards the Oilers are icing these days, he could probably walk right onto the NHL roster, so if I was him I would strike while the iron is hot.

Reading comprehension error from me. When you wrote "right shot centre" my mind glazed over and I retained "right shot defense". He might actually have a shot to make the team if he's a hard worker and doesn't miss practice. Seems like he'd be a lock for the AHL club. Have you seen their stats page? These are the six centers listed as having played this year:

Name GP G A P
Josh Currie 53 21-22=43
Brad Malone 50 13+18=31
Grayson Downing 48 4+19=23
Joe Gambardella 39 8+5=13
Kyle Platzer 35 5+5=10
Chad Butcher 7 1+1=2

Now, I haven't watched a second of Condors hockey this lifetime, but that's not great production down the middle.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712262 is a reply to message #712255 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:38

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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:00

I thought there were no trades until after the playoffs?

Marody? Is he a parody?

If he thinks he's great, then he must be great? Great right?

I think you're like me when an new Oilers player gets picked up you try and see what Gene Principe gets to work with.

I heard he did a Ty Rat Tea pun last night, I missed it, can anyone confirm?

"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712263 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 13:40

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This guy could be our next Drake Caggiula!

Slot this man on the wing in the big leagues right away! The great thing about these guys is that they don't need ANY AHL time. Perfectly ready for a lifetime of 20 point seasons.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712264 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 14:04

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So, which OBC relative is our guy in charge of the college scouting? We are hardcore into college players now.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712265 is a reply to message #712254 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:36

ziltoid wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:26

You seemed to ignore the exact reason that Ziltoid is shaking his head at this and I agree with him.
There are many times that a third round pick can tip a trade to your favor, especially on the draft floor.
When a Gm starts tossing picks away on lottery tickets it is a signal to me that they have either been told, or are assuming, they are on the hot seat.
You are 100% right that a 3rd round pick is not likely to help the team in the next few years. If PC is thinking he wont be around that long those picks have zero value for him and it leads to trades like this.

I know nothing of Marody but for a team that should be in a win now mode that pick asset should be used to improve the team, not just throw another fishing line in a shallow pond.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712271 is a reply to message #712265 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 15:18

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:36

ziltoid wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:26

I get that but here is a list of the picks they have.

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Fut ure/Oilers.htm

So they have all their picks in this years draft except their 4th. In next years draft, they have all their own picks, plus an additional 3rd rounder from the Islanders. The pick they gave up was the Devils 3rd.

So they gave up ONE third rounder out of the 3 they had for next years draft. OHHH THE HORROR!!! They and still do exactly what Ziltoid said which is use a 3rd as a sweetner and STILL have another one left over. So they get a guy who might be able to at least go the minors right away and inject some skill into the minor league team so when guys like Benson and maybe Yamamoto turn pro, maybe they can play with a reasonable player rather than having a career AHLer stunting their growth. Hopefully this guy in a year or 2 can maybe crack the Oilers bottom 6.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 March 2018 15:23]

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712272 is a reply to message #712271 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 16:02

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 15:18

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:36

ziltoid wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 12:26

I get that but here is a list of the picks they have.

https://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Fut ure/Oilers.htm

So they have all their picks in this years draft except their 4th. In next years draft, they have all their own picks, plus an additional 3rd rounder from the Islanders. The pick they gave up was the Devils 3rd.

So they gave up ONE third rounder out of the 3 they had for next years draft. OHHH THE HORROR!!! They and still do exactly what Ziltoid said which is use a 3rd as a sweetner and STILL have another one left over. So they get a guy who might be able to at least go the minors right away and inject some skill into the minor league team so when guys like Benson and maybe Yamamoto turn pro, maybe they can play with a reasonable player rather than having a career AHLer stunting their growth. Hopefully this guy in a year or 2 can maybe crack the Oilers bottom 6.

First off, to the bolded part, easy on the confrontational hyperbole. I don't think myself or anyone else said we hated the trade or called you stupid for being ok with it.

To your actual comments, that is a fair point, they do have enough picks that trading one isn't the end of the world.
Just because I have a dozen beer and will likely only drink ten this weekend doesnt mean I will pour two down the drain tonight. Who knows when those extra ones might come in handy.
The bigger picture is that this is another example of poor asset management. We traded a 3rd round pick for a former 6th round pick.
- He is 6'1", 173 punds and hasn't put on weight since being drafted so it doesnt seem there is much "man strength" yet to come. (caveat is that he did have mono so perhaps that slowed progress on this front.
- one that has had one good season in University hockey but doesnt have any indicator as anything more likely to have an impact than a third round pick
- one that if he returns for his senior season there will be an FA after if the Oilers dont sign him

On a positive note his biggest assets are listed as speed and creativity. Perhaps we found our replacement for RNH when he is our annual summer trade bait.

The above makes this seem like a waste to me. Once more asset that MIGHT have value in a trade, and worst case has IMO, the same or perhaps even better chances of being a contributing member of the team seems like a poor use of available resources.

This has nothing to do with Marody himself. I have never heard of him. All I know is the same stuff everyone else here has read today.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712277 is a reply to message #712271 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 16:29

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Gave up a 3rd round pick for a no-body drafted in the 6th round. Sounds like a Plante, Reinhart type scenario. Trade down for nothing, smartest guy in the room type deal. Maybe he works out, hopefully he does, but the way they gift positions to marginal players in Edmonton I doubt he will ever play.

Waste of a pick that could have been used to leverage a trade if omething of value was offered to the Oilers.

This is scared Pete doing scared things here. Such a waste of time and talents. He will drive this joke further into the ground before he leaves. Book that.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712280 is a reply to message #712272 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 17:08

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 16:02

- He is 6'1", 173 punds and hasn't put on weight since being drafted so it doesnt seem there is much "man strength" yet to come. (caveat is that he did have mono so perhaps that slowed progress on this front.
- one that has had one good season in University hockey but doesnt have any indicator as anything more likely to have an impact than a third round pick
- one that if he returns for his senior season there will be an FA after if the Oilers dont sign him

On a positive note his biggest assets are listed as speed and creativity. Perhaps we found our replacement for RNH when he is our annual summer trade bait.

I'm not overly concerned with where he was drafted. Three years from his draft date, he does look to have taken a step forward. That's a pretty strong year with 46 points in 37 games. He led his team in scoring and that team is the #2 seed in the Frozen Four. We see lots of guys come out of college who are way more valuable than they were on their draft day.

Questions I'd have on this are:
1) Is he a UFA after next season? Does he want to finish school or sign a pro deal? If the he's going to play out his last year at Michigan and then become a free agent, it will be hard to talk him in to signing before free agency because he would be able to call his shot. If he wants to turn pro now, that might be a different discussion.

It makes sense to ask why Philly is dealing him - have they had all those discussions and heard that he wants to go another year in the NCAA? Is Philly just realizing on an asset before losing it for nothing in a year?

2) What's the plan for him? Is he bolstering the AHL ranks? Or are we going to rush to put him in the NHL lineup like we did with Caggiula. If he signs, I'd prefer to see him go to Bakersfield and develop a little rather than push him in to action.

3) Does our GM have a little too much of a soft spot for players who came the route he did? We're seeing a high reliance on college players - both in guys we're signing in the summer and at the draft table. If they're really the best players, that's great, but if it's just because he sees a little of himself in them, then that's less ideal.

Interesting to note that this was the third round pick we got for Maroon. That deal is now Maroon for Dudek and Marody. I think it's extremely long odds that either of these players ever approach Maroon's level of play, but on the surface, Marody looks to have more of a shot of actually playing an NHL game some day...

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712282 is a reply to message #712263 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 17:14

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 13:40

Joking aside, college free agents are a great way to add cheap forward depth. You won't get a lot of undrafted guys who will be stars, but if you want to use ELCs to cheaply fill out your bottom line or two and not have $2M wingers like Kassian or $6M wingers like Lucic on them, you could probably turn them over regularly and often with good college scouting.

I like the deal. Unlike Dudek, this is a real prospect. For sure not a guarantee, but his numbers and development suggest he at least has a shot at playing in the NHL.

Bakersfield looking at Yamamoto, Marody, Vesel, Benson, and Hebig as right hand shot additions next year. That's likely a huge improvement over what they have there right now. Possibly Rattie, Aberg, and Pakarinen as depth right shots as well, either in Edmonton or Bakersfield.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712283 is a reply to message #712264 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 17:22

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:04

So, which OBC relative is our guy in charge of the college scouting? We are hardcore into college players now.

I like it. I think teams should have a few contracts reserved each year to sign college free agents. Their growth curve and development is a little clearer and more defined. I would expect they have a shot of success similar to any mid-draft pick a team would sign to an ELC.

There's a few guys I'd like the Oilers to consider signing this year... granted my NCAA knowledge is small, based on boxscores and scouting reports, but these guys sound like guys the Oilers could use in their system:

Cale Morris (G)
Daniel Brickley (D)
Jimmy Schuldt (D)
Alec Rauhauser (D)
Grant Hutton (D)
Dylan McLaughlin (C)
Tyler Sheehy (C)
Ryan Kuffner (LW)
Max Veronneau (RW)

Especially Cale Morris. They need a good goalie prospect and his numbers in his freshman year at Notre Dame are unreal. A Hobey Baker finalist.

[Updated on: Wed, 21 March 2018 17:35]

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712285 is a reply to message #712265 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 17:28

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

Oilers still have a draft pick in the third round if there is a deal they are desperate to get in on. They have all their picks minus the fourth (Montoya). They also have all their picks (plus and extra 3rd round pick next year) for both 2019 and 2020.

I see this more as using a draft pick in March instead of June and getting a player a couple years older who benefits the team now as opposed to making the pick in June and then waiting for a few years for any potential benefit.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712289 is a reply to message #712282 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 18:09

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 17:14

Bakersfield looking at Yamamoto, Marody, Vesel, Benson, and Hebig as right hand shot additions next year. That's likely a huge improvement over what they have there right now. Possibly Rattie, Aberg, and Pakarinen as depth right shots as well, either in Edmonton or Bakersfield.

Typical Oilers pendulum swing. We realize that everyone on the team shoots left, so we immediately pivot to only sign for or trade for right shots. Hopefully this is just an anomaly and not the braintrust overvaluing people simply because they shoot right...

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712290 is a reply to message #712289 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 18:17

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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 18:09

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 17:14

I shoot right so let's wait until after I get my pro contract, okay?

Tbh, I think everyone of those guys listed is a decent prospect and a fine add. The Oilers did have an imbalance, so as long as it isn't the primary objective and skill is being substituted for shot, I don't mind seeing it even out a little. We will see if it is an unhealthy obsession soon enough.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712291 is a reply to message #712285 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 18:59

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 17:28

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

A couple years ago (heck, even 365 days ago) I would have thought the same and been 100% okay with the move; probably even say it was a good move as we are skipping a few development years and cutting out a lot of the uncertainty that comes with a non-first rounder. But PC has backed this team into a corner, and if we are to get out of it, we need to trade and free-agent our way out of it. The clock is ticking on our competitive window, and we just took a bullet out of the chamber as the wolves (other GMs looking at our cap situation down the road) are starting to circle. It seems like PC is strategizing about tomorrow's dinner menu when the ship's hit an iceberg and we are taking on water fast.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712292 is a reply to message #712280 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 19:28

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[quote title=Adam wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 16:08][quote title=PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 16:02]
3) Does our GM have a little too much of a soft spot for players who came the route he did? We're seeing a high reliance on college players - both in guys we're signing in the summer and at the draft table. If they're really the best players, that's great, but if it's just because he sees a little of himself in them, then that's less ideal.

I was just thinking this. Cue the Nuge to the Rags for Vesey and a pick...coming this summer! We'll have the best player on the planet, the German Gretzky...and then just a bunch of college grads.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712295 is a reply to message #712292 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 21:48

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[quote title=Xombie wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 19:28][quote title=Adam wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 16:08]

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 16:02

3) Does our GM have a little too much of a soft spot for players who came the route he did? We're seeing a high reliance on college players - both in guys we're signing in the summer and at the draft table. If they're really the best players, that's great, but if it's just because he sees a little of himself in them, then that's less ideal.

I was just thinking this. Cue the Nuge to the Rags for Vesey and a pick...coming this summer! We'll have the best player on the planet, the German Gretzky...and then just a bunch of college grads.

That's crazy, I didn't know that Chia played for the Panthers!

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712297 is a reply to message #712247 ]	Wed, 21 March 2018 22:45

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Is Cooper an English major?

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712299 is a reply to message #712280 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 00:10

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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 17:08

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 16:02

I only brought up the draft spot as I know nothing of this guy so I see him as likely to pan out as the pick so to me it is semi relevant.
He did take a step forward and you are right, his value to a god college team seems to be his a player. Perhaps I should be happier to have a guy who has done something, somewhere.

to your points;
1. Agree 100%
2. I am jaded, as many are. I have n doubt that he will be rushed to the NHL. Especially when I firmly believe PC is making trades with a hopeful payoff, regardless how small, for a short term gain as he knows his time is limited.
3. I think so. A bigger worry for me is he seems to go all in on a current league trend a couple years too late. He spent 2 years making the team bigger, tougher and slooooower just as the rest of the league was getting faster. Now the scouting report on every player seems to be below average size and/or weight but above average size.

Iam mostly indifferent to trades like this but given his body of work it seems to fall in line with his panic moves just at a tinier scale.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712300 is a reply to message #712285 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 00:16

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 17:28

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

As I mentioned in my reply to RDOF; having a bunch of picks doesnt mean they should be expendable without a good trade. It doesn't excuse this trade if in fact Marody plans to go back to school and he will be a FA roughly 16 months from now.

The team needs every piece of tradeable ammo it has, they can't go wasting them.

I have low odds that either that third round pick or this player will ever contribute to the Oilers improving anytime in the next 5 years so in the end it isn't a big deal.

I am just tired of what I see as bad asset management.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712306 is a reply to message #712300 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 08:35

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PlusOne wrote on Thu, 22 March 2018 00:16

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 17:28

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 14:05

Look I get you dislike the management but do you seriously think they make the trade without knowing they can sign him?

I get people are pissed, I'm just as pissed. I am not in the "burn it all to the ground, everyone needs to pay" group like some people are but I know that whatever they are doing didn't work. I know the organization needs to do some things different. Whether that is change in the philosophy of the team, fire everyone, fire a few people, I don't know exactly but clearly things need to change. But when it comes to trades or signings, I don't for a second think this organization is doing these things just to piss the fans off because they think it's funny. I don't think they are closing their eyes and throwing a dart at the board and say "Let's try him'. I would assume they would have done some checking and see if they could sign the kid. I would expect that he would sign after he is done the College playoffs.

Thanks to past management and thinking that guys like Moroz, Musil and a list of others could play, the Oilers have diddly squat in the system right now that are even decent AHLers let alone guys looking to push for NHL spots. Slowly they are building that and it looks like they have some dmen coming but at forward, they have NOTHING. That is why in my opinion they go out and sign these AHlers like Callahan, Malone, Ferlin, Downing who are decent AHLers because they need someone to play on their AHL team and they need someone who in an emergency they can call up. Other than Malone, who else can the Oilers call up to play forward? I'd say no one and Malone is a 13th NHL forward at best. I think based on the last couple of drafts, some talent will be turning pro at forward next year and the year after and hopefully a few of them will develop into players in a few years who will be viable call up options. So when they sign Marody (I believe they will) they will have a 21-22 yr old guy who apparently has some skill and based on the scouting reports has a chance to be a decent bottom 6 guy in the NHL. Whether that happens, we shall see but given his age, he should be closer to being that vs a guy they draft next year who's 4 yrs away. So maybe in the near future, instead of calling up a 28 yr old 13th forward in Malone, they can call up this guy to fill a role. Regardless, trading a 3rd round pick on a potential close to making it guy when you have 3 picks in the same round, isn't going to kill them. This team needs to improve NOW not 5 years from now.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712313 is a reply to message #712300 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 09:23

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 23:16

Ya, I hear what you're saying in that he could potentially be a free agent in a little over a year, but I think the chance that the Oilers aren't able to sign him is pretty low. Justin Schultz is the last guy I can think of that didn't sign with the team that held his rights, and he had a lot more leverage than Marody does. I just don't think there's going to be a bunch of teams starting a bidding war over this kid. Especially since given the Oilers forward depth, if he continues to improve, he'll be pretty high up the Oilers depth chart by the time he finishes his NCAA career.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712314 is a reply to message #712313 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 09:29

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Goose wrote on Thu, 22 March 2018 09:23

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 23:16

If he signs with the Oilers, at worst he shows up and is one of the top centers on their AHL team. He's a right handed skilled center. The Oilers don't have any of that on their AHL team now.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712316 is a reply to message #712313 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 09:32

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Goose wrote on Thu, 22 March 2018 09:23

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 March 2018 23:16

That's not accurate. There's guys every year who go this route. Matthew Benning was a Bruins pick who waited out his time and became a free agent. Jimmy Vesey was a Predators pick. There are only a few like Schultz and DeKeyser who get a huge amount of attention, but this is an annual occurrence. If you play out your career at university, then you can become UFA and pick your spot.

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712317 is a reply to message #712306 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 09:34

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 22 March 2018 08:35

Look I get you dislike the management but do you seriously think they make the trade without knowing they can sign him?

Honestly yes, yes I do think they would do that.
I am not saying they don't have a chance to sign him but I doubt they know it as a fact.

When anyone here doesnt like a move you instantly make an accusation that we are anti management regardless of the move. Then you try to cast as much sunshine as you can onto whatever deal or move has been made. You seem to be projecting some anger towards anyone who comments on a move by management as if I am calling for a fire bombing of the head office.

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 22 March 2018 08:35

I don't for a second think this organization is doing these things just to piss the fans off because they think it's funny. I don't think they are closing their eyes and throwing a dart at the board and say "Let's try him'.

I didn't say that at all. I dont think PC is making moves out of spite or to leave the team in as bad as a place as possible as some middle finger.

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 22 March 2018 08:35

Thanks to past management and thinking that guys like Moroz, Musil and a list of others could play, the Oilers have diddly squat in the system right now that are even decent AHLers let alone guys looking to push for NHL spots. Slowly they are building that and it looks like they have some dmen coming but at forward, they have NOTHING. That is why in my opinion they go out and sign these AHlers like Callahan, Malone, Ferlin, Downing who are decent AHLers because they need someone to play on their AHL team and they need someone who in an emergency they can call up. Other than Malone, who else can the Oilers call up to play forward? I'd say no one and Malone is a 13th NHL forward at best. I think based on the last couple of drafts, some talent will be turning pro at forward next year and the year after and hopefully a few of them will develop into players in a few years who will be viable call up options. So when they sign Marody (I believe they will) they will have a 21-22 yr old guy who apparently has some skill and based on the scouting reports has a chance to be a decent bottom 6 guy in the NHL. Whether that happens, we shall see but given his age, he should be closer to being that vs a guy they draft next year who's 4 yrs away. So maybe in the near future, instead of calling up a 28 yr old 13th forward in Malone, they can call up this guy to fill a role. Regardless, trading a 3rd round pick on a potential close to making it guy when you have 3 picks in the same round, isn't going to kill them. This team needs to improve NOW not 5 years from now.

I honestly do hope you are 100% right and I do think that is what PC is hoping for too. I have admitted I am a bit jaded and lacking anymore hope that one of his deals pan out given very few have.

One question for you. If the above is likely, if he is pretty likely so sign, has been improving and likely ready to step in to any kind of NHL role sooner than later why would the Flyers give him up for a 3rd?

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Re: Oilers Trade for Cooper Marody [message #712318 is a reply to message #712306 ]	Thu, 22 March 2018 09:35

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The amount of circle jerking this forum does astounds me. Our GM traded away the chance to draft a player that has a 16-23% chance of playing 100 games for the Oilers. In return he got a Hobey Baker Finalist which happens to have a 25% (since 2000) chance of playing 100+ games in the NHL. That's called good asset management to me.

Seems like the lot of people here think a 3rd round pick is gonna get you a 1D or 1st line winger when you add it to a package of garbage. SMH.

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