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The #Oilers have activated Al Montoya from Injured Reserve & placed Laurent Brossoit on waivers for the purpose of assignment to the @Condors.


Hope he's not picked up. And if he is, I blame MacT.

Those were actually good times. When MacT would trade anyone that called out the team for playing like garbage.



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I doubt anyone picks him up. He’s shown flashes but zero consistency. Actually, he has consistently shown that he is easily and predictably rattled.

I actually hope someone picks him up so he doesn’t take starts away from Ellis in Bakersfield.



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Skoobz wrote on Sat, 06 January 2018 11:18



I actually hope someone picks him up so he doesn’t take starts away from Ellis in Bakersfield.


Eddie Pasquale has started and completed the last few games for Bakersfield..and seems to be doing quite well...

http://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/holtys-blog-a-numbers -game/

..." Eddie Pasquale earned his 100th win in the AHL last night with a 36-save shutout. He has stopped 70 of 71 shots on this trip.

– The Toronto native is also 4-1-2 in his last seven starts with a 1.96 and a .931 save percentage. Those are elite numbers."....

....not sure where Ellis fits in...maybe one of Broissoit, Ellis, or Pasquale gets loaned out to another AHL team or maybe one of them gets called up when the Oilers brain trust realize Montoya's besst before date is far in the rear view mirror....




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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 06 January 2018 11:35

Skoobz wrote on Sat, 06 January 2018 11:18



I actually hope someone picks him up so he doesn’t take starts away from Ellis in Bakersfield.


Eddie Pasquale has started and completed the last few games for Bakersfield..and seems to be doing quite well...

http://www.bakersfieldcondors.com/news/holtys-blog-a-numbers -game/

..." Eddie Pasquale earned his 100th win in the AHL last night with a 36-save shutout. He has stopped 70 of 71 shots on this trip.

– The Toronto native is also 4-1-2 in his last seven starts with a 1.96 and a .931 save percentage. Those are elite numbers."....

....not sure where Ellis fits in...maybe one of Broissoit, Ellis, or Pasquale gets loaned out to another AHL team or maybe one of them gets called up when the Oilers brain trust realize Montoya's besst before date is far in the rear view mirror....



It'll likely be Pasquale.



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Laurent Brossoit clears waivers, #Oilers assign him to @Condors.



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PC makes me scratch my head. Of all the moves this organization needed, that was about 273rd on my list. Skating like sloths...adding team speed would have been at the top. Or some sort of change in team chemistry. I’ve heard all sorts of rumors way down here (Arizona). Not sure what is true but it seems like there is a chemistry issue. Speed issue and D issue. Back up goaltending wasn’t on the radar for me.


So this is what hope feels like?

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halfafrog wrote on Sun, 07 January 2018 17:10

PC makes me scratch my head. Of all the moves this organization needed, that was about 273rd on my list. Skating like sloths...adding team speed would have been at the top. Or some sort of change in team chemistry. I’ve heard all sorts of rumors way down here (Arizona). Not sure what is true but it seems like there is a chemistry issue. Speed issue and D issue. Back up goaltending wasn’t on the radar for me.


At this point, playoffs are basically out of the question but technically they have a chance. They just have to win a ton of game. So if that is the case, do you expect Talbot to play every game for the rest of the year? In my opinion that isn't realistic. LB was given the back up job and he wasn't good enough, not even close. He was terrible.



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I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


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messier11 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 13:04

I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


I wouldn't put any money on that. I don't think he's going to get qualified this year. His next contract is almost certainly for less money and back to two-way. He's MAYBE got one more chance, and there's a good possibility it's not with the Oilers.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 18:26

messier11 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 13:04

I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


I wouldn't put any money on that. I don't think he's going to get qualified this year. His next contract is almost certainly for less money and back to two-way. He's MAYBE got one more chance, and there's a good possibility it's not with the Oilers.


I agree with you. For the Oilers, they brought in Montoya because LB couldn't do the job and Montoya is signed for next season at just over 1 mill with for a back up isn't too bad. So unless they somehow get rid of Montoya, there is not NHL spot for next season. Plus I don't see how the Oilers can go into next season rolling the dice on LB as the back up again. I said in another thread that I get why and agree with the Oilers thinking that it was time to see if LB could do it. He's old enough, he's been in the system long enough, he's got enough minors experience and at the AHL level he's proven to be a good starter in the AHL. So the next logic step for him was the NHL and the only way find out is to play. Unfortunately LB crashed and burned. So there isn't an NHL spot for him and any contract he would sign with the Oilers would be a 2 way deal and I don't think the Oilers would even sign him because they have Ellis who is a year younger and looking to be just as good at the AHL level.

For Brossoit going forward, I could see another team signing him to play in the AHL but I don't see him getting a one way deal. When you put up .886 save percentage and a 3.22 GA, those aren't NHL numbers so I can't see another team dying to sign him to a 1 way deal. They would want to see if he can do it first.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 09:06

Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 18:26

messier11 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 13:04

I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


I wouldn't put any money on that. I don't think he's going to get qualified this year. His next contract is almost certainly for less money and back to two-way. He's MAYBE got one more chance, and there's a good possibility it's not with the Oilers.


I agree with you. For the Oilers, they brought in Montoya because LB couldn't do the job and Montoya is signed for next season at just over 1 mill with for a back up isn't too bad. So unless they somehow get rid of Montoya, there is not NHL spot for next season. Plus I don't see how the Oilers can go into next season rolling the dice on LB as the back up again. I said in another thread that I get why and agree with the Oilers thinking that it was time to see if LB could do it. He's old enough, he's been in the system long enough, he's got enough minors experience and at the AHL level he's proven to be a good starter in the AHL. So the next logic step for him was the NHL and the only way find out is to play. Unfortunately LB crashed and burned. So there isn't an NHL spot for him and any contract he would sign with the Oilers would be a 2 way deal and I don't think the Oilers would even sign him because they have Ellis who is a year younger and looking to be just as good at the AHL level.

For Brossoit going forward, I could see another team signing him to play in the AHL but I don't see him getting a one way deal. When you put up .886 save percentage and a 3.22 GA, those aren't NHL numbers so I can't see another team dying to sign him to a 1 way deal. They would want to see if he can do it first.


Well, he's never really proven himself in the AHL as any good either...but the rest I all agree with. The Oilers have drafted 5 goalies in the last 4 drafts. At some point they have to make decisions on whether those are guys they think they can develop, and then make room for them to play. Having a guy like Brossoit, who looks to be at best a tweener, just blocks the path for younger guys. He's done.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 10:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 09:06

Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 18:26

messier11 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 13:04

I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


I wouldn't put any money on that. I don't think he's going to get qualified this year. His next contract is almost certainly for less money and back to two-way. He's MAYBE got one more chance, and there's a good possibility it's not with the Oilers.


I agree with you. For the Oilers, they brought in Montoya because LB couldn't do the job and Montoya is signed for next season at just over 1 mill with for a back up isn't too bad. So unless they somehow get rid of Montoya, there is not NHL spot for next season. Plus I don't see how the Oilers can go into next season rolling the dice on LB as the back up again. I said in another thread that I get why and agree with the Oilers thinking that it was time to see if LB could do it. He's old enough, he's been in the system long enough, he's got enough minors experience and at the AHL level he's proven to be a good starter in the AHL. So the next logic step for him was the NHL and the only way find out is to play. Unfortunately LB crashed and burned. So there isn't an NHL spot for him and any contract he would sign with the Oilers would be a 2 way deal and I don't think the Oilers would even sign him because they have Ellis who is a year younger and looking to be just as good at the AHL level.

For Brossoit going forward, I could see another team signing him to play in the AHL but I don't see him getting a one way deal. When you put up .886 save percentage and a 3.22 GA, those aren't NHL numbers so I can't see another team dying to sign him to a 1 way deal. They would want to see if he can do it first.


Well, he's never really proven himself in the AHL as any good either...but the rest I all agree with. The Oilers have drafted 5 goalies in the last 4 drafts. At some point they have to make decisions on whether those are guys they think they can develop, and then make room for them to play. Having a guy like Brossoit, who looks to be at best a tweener, just blocks the path for younger guys. He's done.


I disagree. He was decent as an AHL goaltender and, if given proper development and training, could turn himself into an NHL goalie. The problem is he's now gone a calendar year without playing hockey. The sabotaged his growth because the Oilers kept signing terrible back ups and had no plan when those back ups inevitably failed. It'll be interesting to see who plays the most games in Bakersfield for the rest of the season.



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Not sure what he ever did to prove himself capable other than being big. Even as an Oil King it was clear that his back up (Jarry) was the better goalie. When equipment changes are finally implemented he'll be even worse. I don't have a high opinion of Montoya but I still see him as an upgrade (a pointless one at this point but still an upgrade).


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Adam wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 10:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 09:06

Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 18:26

messier11 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 13:04

I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


I wouldn't put any money on that. I don't think he's going to get qualified this year. His next contract is almost certainly for less money and back to two-way. He's MAYBE got one more chance, and there's a good possibility it's not with the Oilers.


I agree with you. For the Oilers, they brought in Montoya because LB couldn't do the job and Montoya is signed for next season at just over 1 mill with for a back up isn't too bad. So unless they somehow get rid of Montoya, there is not NHL spot for next season. Plus I don't see how the Oilers can go into next season rolling the dice on LB as the back up again. I said in another thread that I get why and agree with the Oilers thinking that it was time to see if LB could do it. He's old enough, he's been in the system long enough, he's got enough minors experience and at the AHL level he's proven to be a good starter in the AHL. So the next logic step for him was the NHL and the only way find out is to play. Unfortunately LB crashed and burned. So there isn't an NHL spot for him and any contract he would sign with the Oilers would be a 2 way deal and I don't think the Oilers would even sign him because they have Ellis who is a year younger and looking to be just as good at the AHL level.

For Brossoit going forward, I could see another team signing him to play in the AHL but I don't see him getting a one way deal. When you put up .886 save percentage and a 3.22 GA, those aren't NHL numbers so I can't see another team dying to sign him to a 1 way deal. They would want to see if he can do it first.


Well, he's never really proven himself in the AHL as any good either...but the rest I all agree with. The Oilers have drafted 5 goalies in the last 4 drafts. At some point they have to make decisions on whether those are guys they think they can develop, and then make room for them to play. Having a guy like Brossoit, who looks to be at best a tweener, just blocks the path for younger guys. He's done.


You don't think he has proven to be a pretty good AHL goalies?
https://www.nhl.com/player/laurent-brossoit-8476316?stats=ca reer-r-ahl&season=20172018

First year as a starter he was 25-22-4, 2.56 GA, .918 save percentage.
Second year as a starter he was 18-9-3, 2.66 GA, .920 save percentage.

Bakersfield has been a pretty mediocre team for the last few years with not a ton of talent so when you are putting up .920 save percentages with not much in front of you, his numbers looked pretty good to me.

[Updated on: Wed, 10 January 2018 11:10]


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 11:03

Adam wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 10:30

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 09:06

Adam wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 18:26

messier11 wrote on Tue, 09 January 2018 13:04

I'm not giving up on LB, goalies are late bloomers and the best place for him to be is starting a majority of the games in the AHL.


I wouldn't put any money on that. I don't think he's going to get qualified this year. His next contract is almost certainly for less money and back to two-way. He's MAYBE got one more chance, and there's a good possibility it's not with the Oilers.


I agree with you. For the Oilers, they brought in Montoya because LB couldn't do the job and Montoya is signed for next season at just over 1 mill with for a back up isn't too bad. So unless they somehow get rid of Montoya, there is not NHL spot for next season. Plus I don't see how the Oilers can go into next season rolling the dice on LB as the back up again. I said in another thread that I get why and agree with the Oilers thinking that it was time to see if LB could do it. He's old enough, he's been in the system long enough, he's got enough minors experience and at the AHL level he's proven to be a good starter in the AHL. So the next logic step for him was the NHL and the only way find out is to play. Unfortunately LB crashed and burned. So there isn't an NHL spot for him and any contract he would sign with the Oilers would be a 2 way deal and I don't think the Oilers would even sign him because they have Ellis who is a year younger and looking to be just as good at the AHL level.

For Brossoit going forward, I could see another team signing him to play in the AHL but I don't see him getting a one way deal. When you put up .886 save percentage and a 3.22 GA, those aren't NHL numbers so I can't see another team dying to sign him to a 1 way deal. They would want to see if he can do it first.


Well, he's never really proven himself in the AHL as any good either...but the rest I all agree with. The Oilers have drafted 5 goalies in the last 4 drafts. At some point they have to make decisions on whether those are guys they think they can develop, and then make room for them to play. Having a guy like Brossoit, who looks to be at best a tweener, just blocks the path for younger guys. He's done.


You don't think he has proven to be a pretty good AHL goalies?
https://www.nhl.com/player/laurent-brossoit-8476316?stats=ca reer-r-ahl&season=20172018

First year as a starter he was 25-22-4, 2.56 GA, .918 save percentage.
Second year as a starter he was 18-9-3, 2.66 GA, .920 save percentage.

Bakersfield has been a pretty mediocre team for the last few years with not a ton of talent so when you are putting up .920 save percentages with not much in front of you, his numbers looked pretty good to me.

Of course the Condors have been bad, they're an Oilers affiliate.

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What the hell is wrong with this organization? Why is it plagued like this?

It's like the reverse Midas touch.



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HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 11:22

What the hell is wrong with this organization? Why is it plagued like this?

It's like the reverse Midas touch.

It's almost like they're set up to fail due to gross incompetence or something.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 11:15




Oilers = bad
Oil Kings = last in the league
Condors = last in the division
Tulsa Oilers = 7 points out of the playoffs (I think, I don't know or care how the ECHL works)

I hope the Oilers buy the Spruce Grove Saints.


....just for the record, the Tulsa Oilers are part of the St. Louis organization...the Oilers ECHL affiliate is The Wichita Thunder, and they are doing a bit better than Tulsa...8 points ahead of them....interesting that both ECHL teams are owned by Rodney Steven, Brandon Steven and Johnny Steven....




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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 12:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 10 January 2018 11:15




Oilers = bad
Oil Kings = last in the league
Condors = last in the division
Tulsa Oilers = 7 points out of the playoffs (I think, I don't know or care how the ECHL works)

I hope the Oilers buy the Spruce Grove Saints.


....just for the record, the Tulsa Oilers are part of the St. Louis organization...the Oilers ECHL affiliate is The Wichita Thunder, and they are doing a bit better than Tulsa...8 points ahead of them....interesting that both ECHL teams are owned by Rodney Steven, Brandon Steven and Johnny Steven....


I honestly had no idea. Thanks GD.



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Skoobz wrote on Sat, 06 January 2018 11:18

I doubt anyone picks him up. He’s shown flashes but zero consistency. Actually, he has consistently shown that he is easily and predictably rattled.

I actually hope someone picks him up so he doesn’t take starts away from Ellis in Bakersfield.



.....the Oilers are pretty clever....Broissoit has been getting all the starts for Bakersfield, so Ellis was sent to Wichita in the ECHL so that Broissoit can refine his skills without both Ellis and Pasquale looking over his shoulder...

...first results for Ellis in the ECHL.....

https://www.echl.com/stats/game-center/15484






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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 27 January 2018 23:23

Skoobz wrote on Sat, 06 January 2018 11:18

I doubt anyone picks him up. He’s shown flashes but zero consistency. Actually, he has consistently shown that he is easily and predictably rattled.

I actually hope someone picks him up so he doesn’t take starts away from Ellis in Bakersfield.



.....the Oilers are pretty clever....Broissoit has been getting all the starts for Bakersfield, so Ellis was sent to Wichita in the ECHL so that Broissoit can refine his skills without both Ellis and Pasquale looking over his shoulder...

...first results for Ellis in the ECHL.....

https://www.echl.com/stats/game-center/15484





Holy heck, our ECHL team isn't terrible. Ignoring that game with 2 EN goals, they are actually a winning team.

Oilers and Condors on the other hand...




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