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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674177 is a reply to message #674145 ]
Thu, 30 June 2016 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
rjayd2  is currently offline rjayd2
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Some perspective for those still upset over the deal:

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/16640561/nhl-blockbuster-t rades-involving-montreal-canadiens-nashville-predators-edmon ton-oilers-new-jersey-devils

"If Bergevin thought he was getting it hard from his fans in Montreal, Edmonton Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli might have it worse, given the reaction of fans over his dealing of Taylor Hall to the New Jersey Devils for defenseman Adam Larsson.

Which is why it's interesting when I got this reaction from a Western Conference hockey exec about the Oilers making that move: "Guys want a fixed cost moving forward, I don't blame them."

That fixed cost is Larsson being signed for five more years at a $4.16 million cap hit. That's a great contract as long as Larsson actually lives up to being a top-end blueliner.

I think this is a solid acquisition by Chiarelli. Larsson is underrated. But at the cost of a bona fide scoring star such as Hall? It's an overpay by any definition.

"But if any team can overpay from one of their forwards, it's Edmonton," said another Western Conference exec.

The Oilers would have preferred to trade Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or Jordan Eberle instead for Larsson, but Devils GM Ray Shero had no interest in those players. It was Hall or bust.

Of course, the Oilers talked to the St. Louis Blues about Kevin Shattenkirk, but they knew he wouldn't re-sign in Edmonton after his deal expired in a year. The Subban talks with Montreal never got to a point where it made sense for Edmonton.

"There are almost no defensemen out there for a trade," said an Eastern Conference exec, explaining why the Oilers' deal for Larsson makes sense on some level.

"I definitely wasn't looking to trade Adam Larsson," Shero said over the phone Wednesday night. "But I may never get a chance again to get Taylor Hall."

Interestingly, when Shero and Chiarelli took over their respective clubs a year ago, they actually chatted and in some ways planted the seed for this type of deal. They recognized early on that the Devils needed forwards and the Oilers needed defensemen, and that one day they might help each other out.

But they needed time to get to know their teams first.

The reality is that Shero and Chiarelli didn't really get going on this deal until the past week after they both reconnected in Buffalo at the draft.

Shero, after being relayed the heat that his counterpart was taking in the wake of the trade in Edmonton, shed light on Larsson, a player that most Oilers fans obviously haven't watched play much before: "I know one thing, if you look, Adam Larsson and Andy Greene had the toughest quality of competition in the entire league this year. And the worst zone starts. They were matched up against the best players every night. ...

"Adam is a heavy player, he's hard down low. He's an unbelievable pro at his age. He's an easy guy to coach and play with. Maybe people don't know him, but he's a good guy to build a defense around. We're going to have a hole there with him gone for sure."

From the sounds of it Chiarelli did very well considered the horrendous position he was placed in by previous management of this team. Labelling this trade as horrendous and mismanaged is completely asinine given the situation and you'd have to be fool to not recognize that he actually did well considering the circumstances.

Just curious what was the better option you'd go for if you still don't agree after reading that?



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 Re: Farewell, Hall.... [message #674180 is a reply to message #674146 ]
Thu, 30 June 2016 11:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lesterpolyester wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 08:48

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:45

Lesterpolyester wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:24

I think it makes perfect sense. Lets keep Hall, Nuge, Eb's and continue to suck for the next 10 years. Hall may have been good offensively but he was awful defensively and had a six year losing streak. Sometimes you have to change the culture.

If the trade would have been last year for Lucic & Larson for Hall nobody would have said we were fleeced. Effectively that's what this is and it also gives us a chance to grab the top RH defenseman in free agency.

Something had to give guys the team has SUCKED for 10 years yet every time we trade or talk about trading someone everyone seems up in arms. I don't care who's in the line up next year so long as they start winning!


So you're saying Hall's deal was a in part a salary dump? The sugar-coating ain't sticking.

You trade your best player (up until a few months ago) for a #1 D who can run a PP.....you add pieces if you need to. Turns out that even if Demers signs here, and they have Larsson (wrong Larsson, by the way, Chia), the Oilers are STILL needing a #1 D who can run a PP. This is another in a long list of magic beans deals, where a known excellent hockey player (with plenty of upside still) goes out for something you're HOPING will pan out. You're downgrading at LW with Lucic coming in, who has already reached his peak in terms of his career. You needed Lucic as a secondary option at LW, not the primary.....he will compliment his center, not carry the play.

The Oilers organization can spin & sell this any way they want to try, but this was a bad day for the Oilers and their fans. This was NOT the $6 million contract the Oilers needed to move, if this is being sold on any level in terms of salary and cap room.



I'm not saying salary dump at all. Your assessment of Lucic being on the down slide is based on? Am I happy all they gotback was Larson....No not at all. Am I happy that at least their trying to address real needs YES! If Hall is such a complete all-star why was he passed over for the Olympic Team & The World Cup of Hockey Team?

Did we lose this trade 100% is the TEAM better time will tell but anything would be better then second last place in the league


Lucic is 28, the Oilers will pay for 3 years of term that they shouldn't. Taylor Hall is 24, with upside. Again, as I stated, if you're trading Taylor Hall, add pieces if you need to and make sure you get the guy you NEED. The Oilers have traded their very best asset (who could be traded) and STILL will not have a #1 RH D who can contribute 5x5 and who can run a PP, even if Demers is signed. If you're trading Taylor Hall, you need to package him if you have to, to get that guy, and the Oilers didn't. I'd love to know what the ask was for PK Subban, given the deal the Habs eventually made.

This is not Lucic & Larson for Hall, but if you need that to feel good, have at it. Maybe tomorrow RNH goes for a 3rd pairing guy, and we can sell that as a salary dump as well.



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 Re: Farewell, Hall.... [message #674198 is a reply to message #674180 ]
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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 11:18

Lesterpolyester wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 08:48

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:45

Lesterpolyester wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:24

I think it makes perfect sense. Lets keep Hall, Nuge, Eb's and continue to suck for the next 10 years. Hall may have been good offensively but he was awful defensively and had a six year losing streak. Sometimes you have to change the culture.

If the trade would have been last year for Lucic & Larson for Hall nobody would have said we were fleeced. Effectively that's what this is and it also gives us a chance to grab the top RH defenseman in free agency.

Something had to give guys the team has SUCKED for 10 years yet every time we trade or talk about trading someone everyone seems up in arms. I don't care who's in the line up next year so long as they start winning!


So you're saying Hall's deal was a in part a salary dump? The sugar-coating ain't sticking.

You trade your best player (up until a few months ago) for a #1 D who can run a PP.....you add pieces if you need to. Turns out that even if Demers signs here, and they have Larsson (wrong Larsson, by the way, Chia), the Oilers are STILL needing a #1 D who can run a PP. This is another in a long list of magic beans deals, where a known excellent hockey player (with plenty of upside still) goes out for something you're HOPING will pan out. You're downgrading at LW with Lucic coming in, who has already reached his peak in terms of his career. You needed Lucic as a secondary option at LW, not the primary.....he will compliment his center, not carry the play.

The Oilers organization can spin & sell this any way they want to try, but this was a bad day for the Oilers and their fans. This was NOT the $6 million contract the Oilers needed to move, if this is being sold on any level in terms of salary and cap room.



I'm not saying salary dump at all. Your assessment of Lucic being on the down slide is based on? Am I happy all they gotback was Larson....No not at all. Am I happy that at least their trying to address real needs YES! If Hall is such a complete all-star why was he passed over for the Olympic Team & The World Cup of Hockey Team?

Did we lose this trade 100% is the TEAM better time will tell but anything would be better then second last place in the league


Lucic is 28, the Oilers will pay for 3 years of term that they shouldn't. Taylor Hall is 24, with upside. Again, as I stated, if you're trading Taylor Hall, add pieces if you need to and make sure you get the guy you NEED. The Oilers have traded their very best asset (who could be traded) and STILL will not have a #1 RH D who can contribute 5x5 and who can run a PP, even if Demers is signed. If you're trading Taylor Hall, you need to package him if you have to, to get that guy, and the Oilers didn't. I'd love to know what the ask was for PK Subban, given the deal the Habs eventually made.

This is not Lucic & Larson for Hall, but if you need that to feel good, have at it. Maybe tomorrow RNH goes for a 3rd pairing guy, and we can sell that as a salary dump as well.



I don't need any of it. Your opinion of Hall is obviously higher than any of the other 29 GM's in the NHL as I'm sure Chia didn't hold out for the worst option. This was obviously the best offer for Hall as for his #1 trade chip value I'd say that's pretty questionable.

Hall was a good Oiler as I've said before I thought the return wasn't enough but the team was second last in the NHL and has SUCKED every year that Hall has been here. It's the definition of insanity. If you need to believe Hall was worth PK or Weber I guess your right Chia must have just wanted to shed salary.

Personally I don't give a damn who's on the team going forward so long as they start moving forward. There's no doubt in my mind that Chia got kicked in this trade but the guy they traded for immediately improves the back end of this team. Is he worth Hall "NO" I agree but apparently Hall isn't any where worth what you think he is.



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674202 is a reply to message #674177 ]
Thu, 30 June 2016 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem with most fans and some bloggers is they have it in their mind that if your team doesn't flat out fleece the other team in a trade, its a bad trade. In my opinion, as much as it pains me to lose Hall because I am a big time fan of his, this trade could easily work out to be good for both teams.

For it to be a win for the Oilers, Larsson needs to do what he did in Jersey this past year. Be a top pairing, right shot, big, strong, heavy, play against the tough competition, move the puck to the forwards, play 23-24 mins a night, good dman. Maybe chip in the odd point. If he can do that and everyone says that's exactly what he does, then it will be a fair trade.

People can disagree with me if they want but a good, 24 min a night dman has WAY more impact on the outcome of the game than Hall would. There is more to winning a hockey game than just scoring points.

Here's a question. Would any of you traded Hall to Tampa for Stralman straight up? Stralman is considered and excellent #2, right shot Dman, signed to a great contract. The year Tampa signed him, he had 13 pts in 81 games with the Rangers. Strralman turns 30 in a month and makes 4.5 mill. The first year in Tampa, Stralman scored 39 pts. 3 TIMES as many points. This past season he scored 34 pts in 73 games. Stralman missed most of the playoffs, came back in the Pens series wbut there was no way he was in shape and probably not totally healthy. I think if he had been healthy, Tampa wins that series. If that deal was on the table, I would probably do that deal.



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674207 is a reply to message #674202 ]
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We've been bottom 4 in GA the last three years. If they can spend less time fishing the puck out of their own net that in itself will change the fortunes of the team.


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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674211 is a reply to message #674202 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 12:20

The problem with most fans and some bloggers is they have it in their mind that if your team doesn't flat out fleece the other team in a trade, its a bad trade. In my opinion, as much as it pains me to lose Hall because I am a big time fan of his, this trade could easily work out to be good for both teams.


I typically like your posts, but this paragraph is a steaming pile of BS.

Fans and bloggers expected Chiarelli to fleece another GM to shore up his defense? That's an insult to a lot of Oiler fans intelligence. Nobody expected Chiarelli to fleece anybody to help his defense, even with Taylor Hall. But they didn't expect him to be lying behind the wood shed in his track suit either.

Holy crap, there's not much room in the "smartest person in the room" room anymore.

Too many people are listening to boot licks like Rishaug. Guys that need to suck up to the GM's for better access, better info, better answers. In a lot of cases, guys like Rishaug and Dreger don't truly have bosses in the TSN office in Toronto. Wake TF up people...



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674212 is a reply to message #674211 ]
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g2k wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 14:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 12:20

The problem with most fans and some bloggers is they have it in their mind that if your team doesn't flat out fleece the other team in a trade, its a bad trade. In my opinion, as much as it pains me to lose Hall because I am a big time fan of his, this trade could easily work out to be good for both teams.



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674216 is a reply to message #674212 ]
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I think I'm just going to take some time away from this board.

Too many people just way too hurt over it. Yes the return was less than we expected. Oh well, he filled a position of need from a position of strength.

Good on Chia for actually trying something and having the balls to put his name on it. I can't handle another 29th place finish. This might actually get us somewhere.



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674217 is a reply to message #674216 ]
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How about thinking of this trade as a similar trade to the one made between Hartford and St Louis a long, long time ago.

Blues traded a top LW in the game at the time in Brendan Shanahan for a young, not nearly worth Shanahan Chris Pronger. Worked out pretty good for the Blues.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 13:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 12:20

The problem with most fans and some bloggers is they have it in their mind that if your team doesn't flat out fleece the other team in a trade, its a bad trade. In my opinion, as much as it pains me to lose Hall because I am a big time fan of his, this trade could easily work out to be good for both teams.


I typically like your posts, but this paragraph is a steaming pile of BS.

Fans and bloggers expected Chiarelli to fleece another GM to shore up his defense? That's an insult to a lot of Oiler fans intelligence. Nobody expected Chiarelli to fleece anybody to help his defense, even with Taylor Hall. But they didn't expect him to be lying behind the wood shed in his track suit either.

Holy crap, there's not much room in the "smartest person in the room" room anymore.

Too many people are listening to boot licks like Rishaug. Guys that need to suck up to the GM's for better access, better info, better answers. In a lot of cases, guys like Rishaug and Dreger don't truly have bosses in the TSN office in Toronto. Wake TF up people...



.. more like his track suit down around his ankles.



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674219 is a reply to message #673755 ]
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Comments on the trade in Friedman's 30 thoughts:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmon ton-montreal-make-deal/

Quote:

On a crazy day where Steven Stamkos signing in Tampa Bay could arguably be the third-biggest hockey story, the most unanswered question has to be: “Why couldn’t Montreal and Edmonton work out a Taylor Hall–P.K. Subban deal?”

The Oilers sure could’ve used Subban. We knew they were talking last week. Montreal initially asked for Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 pick at Friday’s draft and more. That “more” included either Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse, plus something else. I can’t nail down what that “something else” was, but it was not insignificant. It was a big price to pay, and Edmonton did not want to do that.

According to several sources, there was another possibility — without Draisaitl. Was Hall there? I can’t say for sure. But I do think he’s got fans in the Montreal organization. So, why didn’t it happen?

Here’s a quote from a GM on a different team: “How much are you paying Connor McDavid in two years? If you’re budgeting for $10M-11M, that’s $19M-$20M for him and Subban. Can you do it under this tighter cap?”

I would suspect that’s the reason.

With McDavid’s next contract potentially massive, Peter Chiarelli looked elsewhere. The Hall-for-Adam Larsson deal saves Edmonton more than $1.8M in cap room. No doubt that’s why it was a one-for-one trade. New Jersey GM Ray Shero could say, “I’m adding salary, I’m not giving up anything else.” He took a hard line.

The Oilers were interested in Larsson for a while. He’s similar to Klefbom in the sense he might not get a lot of points, but he’ll get the puck out of your zone quickly and send it up ice. I don’t think Hall was on the table until recently, as everything else they’d tried to pry Larsson loose with failed. It’s clear Edmonton desperately sought right-handed defensive help. They passed on Subban. Kevin Shattenkirk wasn’t signing long-term in northern Alberta. They asked Carolina about Justin Faulk, but the Hurricanes weren’t doing that without Edmonton sweetening the pie.

The biggest variable was how much pressure Edmonton felt to make a trade. Now, we know the answer.


3. The Hall trade finally brought some truth to a boatload of Edmonton rumours. There was definitely discussion with Minnesota on a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins/Matt Dumba deal, but the Oilers made it very clear that wasn’t enough to pry loose Nugent-Hopkins and asked for more. That’s where it fell apart. One of the things Edmonton is looking for is a another second-round pick, because they owe one to Boston for Chiarelli’s hiring.

4. The overwhelming theory is the Oilers did indeed get a commitment from Milan Lucic, as The Edmonton Journal’s Curtis Stock reported Tuesday. (He also fitted Jason Demers into an Oiler uniform.)

You’d have to be extremely naive to think money is not discussed on the free-agent tours, although I hope everyone’s smart enough not to put it on paper. Other execs were guessing that if both do sign there, we’re talking seven years, $42M for Lucic and a $5.5M AAV for Demers. That’s what they did last summer for Andrej Sekera. We’ll see how it all shakes out.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 13:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 12:20

The problem with most fans and some bloggers is they have it in their mind that if your team doesn't flat out fleece the other team in a trade, its a bad trade. In my opinion, as much as it pains me to lose Hall because I am a big time fan of his, this trade could easily work out to be good for both teams.


I typically like your posts, but this paragraph is a steaming pile of BS.

Fans and bloggers expected Chiarelli to fleece another GM to shore up his defense? That's an insult to a lot of Oiler fans intelligence. Nobody expected Chiarelli to fleece anybody to help his defense, even with Taylor Hall. But they didn't expect him to be lying behind the wood shed in his track suit either.

Holy crap, there's not much room in the "smartest person in the room" room anymore.

Too many people are listening to boot licks like Rishaug. Guys that need to suck up to the GM's for better access, better info, better answers. In a lot of cases, guys like Rishaug and Dreger don't truly have bosses in the TSN office in Toronto. Wake TF up people...



You could tell the boot lickers, and anti-Oiler crowd yesterday, Spector in full spin mode I particularly noticed. I'd wonder what Stauffer is saying now. Nobody credible is saying this trade is anything but bad. Like you said Rishaug was pumping the Hall trade rumours early, likely ploy to soften everyone up to the shock of it, I think everyone would have eventually been over the shock of seeing Hall depart, if they got something of equal value, but it's the lack of return that everyone is choking on. This team management needs a Heimlich.



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OilPeg wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 14:42

How about thinking of this trade as a similar trade to the one made between Hartford and St Louis a long, long time ago.

Blues traded a top LW in the game at the time in Brendan Shanahan for a young, not nearly worth Shanahan Chris Pronger. Worked out pretty good for the Blues.


The only solution to make the fans be OK with stuff like this is to win games. Lucky for Chia, the bar is set somewhere near the center of the earth. Boston traded away Kessel for picks, and not a single Boston fan gives 2 craps about it any more.



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Can we at least let the kid suit up for a game before we say lack of return. I don't watch NJD hockey because I compare it to golf good when I want to nap, but everything I've read is that he is in fact a top pairing shut down d-man. Hall is a huge price to pay but I do believe that is the price that had to be paid. PC has been trying to get a top pair RH d-man for a year, I'm sure he called everybody and they all told him the same thing, it's going to cost you more than you want to pay. So he did what he had to do. Would you have been happy if he traded Nuge and the 4th for one of the sexier names out there?

Defense men aren't supposed to be sexy their supposed to keep the puck out of the back of the net. It sounds like Larsson does that quite well. Who knows he's only 23 perhaps it's possible in 3 years Jersey thinks they gave up Larsson and all they got back was Hall.



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oilerfan79 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 15:20

Can we at least let the kid suit up for a game before we say lack of return. I don't watch NJD hockey because I compare it to golf good when I want to nap, but everything I've read is that he is in fact a top pairing shut down d-man. Hall is a huge price to pay but I do believe that is the price that had to be paid. PC has been trying to get a top pair RH d-man for a year, I'm sure he called everybody and they all told him the same thing, it's going to cost you more than you want to pay. So he did what he had to do. Would you have been happy if he traded Nuge and the 4th for one of the sexier names out there?

Defense men aren't supposed to be sexy their supposed to keep the puck out of the back of the net. It sounds like Larsson does that quite well. Who knows he's only 23 perhaps it's possible in 3 years Jersey thinks they gave up Larsson and all they got back was Hall.


I'm really curious to see how this affects New Jersey. They only started this strategy of burying one D pairing in their own zone 2 seasons ago, and it's only been done with Greene and Larsson. Before that, Greene and his D partner would just get pretty even zone starts. But, their forward group degraded so much, they just turned into a team that holds on for dear life, giving 1 pairing all the hard minutes and hoping they can eke the game out with some luck and their PP.

They lost half that D pairing now, and the coach didn't appear to trust anyone else with that level of difficulty aside from Greene and Larsson. So, they may need to open things up a bit and hope they can win a more open game and Hall can be the difference maker.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 14:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 12:20

The problem with most fans and some bloggers is they have it in their mind that if your team doesn't flat out fleece the other team in a trade, its a bad trade. In my opinion, as much as it pains me to lose Hall because I am a big time fan of his, this trade could easily work out to be good for both teams.


I typically like your posts, but this paragraph is a steaming pile of BS.

Fans and bloggers expected Chiarelli to fleece another GM to shore up his defense? That's an insult to a lot of Oiler fans intelligence. Nobody expected Chiarelli to fleece anybody to help his defense, even with Taylor Hall. But they didn't expect him to be lying behind the wood shed in his track suit either.

Holy crap, there's not much room in the "smartest person in the room" room anymore.

Too many people are listening to boot licks like Rishaug. Guys that need to suck up to the GM's for better access, better info, better answers. In a lot of cases, guys like Rishaug and Dreger don't truly have bosses in the TSN office in Toronto. Wake TF up people...







Judging by the the overly dramatic, non-objective reactions on here I don't believe there's much to insult...

I can't speak for others that support the trade, but personally I form my own opinions and don't look to anyone in the media to decide what I think.

By the way, still waiting on anyone to offer up what Chiarelli's better course of action should have been.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 14:48

Comments on the trade in Friedman's 30 thoughts:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-couldnt-edmon ton-montreal-make-deal/

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On a crazy day where Steven Stamkos signing in Tampa Bay could arguably be the third-biggest hockey story, the most unanswered question has to be: “Why couldn’t Montreal and Edmonton work out a Taylor Hall–P.K. Subban deal?”

The Oilers sure could’ve used Subban. We knew they were talking last week. Montreal initially asked for Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 pick at Friday’s draft and more. That “more” included either Oscar Klefbom and Darnell Nurse, plus something else. I can’t nail down what that “something else” was, but it was not insignificant. It was a big price to pay, and Edmonton did not want to do that.

According to several sources, there was another possibility — without Draisaitl. Was Hall there? I can’t say for sure. But I do think he’s got fans in the Montreal organization. So, why didn’t it happen?

Here’s a quote from a GM on a different team: “How much are you paying Connor McDavid in two years? If you’re budgeting for $10M-11M, that’s $19M-$20M for him and Subban. Can you do it under this tighter cap?”

I would suspect that’s the reason.

With McDavid’s next contract potentially massive, Peter Chiarelli looked elsewhere. The Hall-for-Adam Larsson deal saves Edmonton more than $1.8M in cap room. No doubt that’s why it was a one-for-one trade. New Jersey GM Ray Shero could say, “I’m adding salary, I’m not giving up anything else.” He took a hard line.

The Oilers were interested in Larsson for a while. He’s similar to Klefbom in the sense he might not get a lot of points, but he’ll get the puck out of your zone quickly and send it up ice. I don’t think Hall was on the table until recently, as everything else they’d tried to pry Larsson loose with failed. It’s clear Edmonton desperately sought right-handed defensive help. They passed on Subban. Kevin Shattenkirk wasn’t signing long-term in northern Alberta. They asked Carolina about Justin Faulk, but the Hurricanes weren’t doing that without Edmonton sweetening the pie.

The biggest variable was how much pressure Edmonton felt to make a trade. Now, we know the answer.


3. The Hall trade finally brought some truth to a boatload of Edmonton rumours. There was definitely discussion with Minnesota on a Ryan Nugent-Hopkins/Matt Dumba deal, but the Oilers made it very clear that wasn’t enough to pry loose Nugent-Hopkins and asked for more. That’s where it fell apart. One of the things Edmonton is looking for is a another second-round pick, because they owe one to Boston for Chiarelli’s hiring.

4. The overwhelming theory is the Oilers did indeed get a commitment from Milan Lucic, as The Edmonton Journal’s Curtis Stock reported Tuesday. (He also fitted Jason Demers into an Oiler uniform.)

You’d have to be extremely naive to think money is not discussed on the free-agent tours, although I hope everyone’s smart enough not to put it on paper. Other execs were guessing that if both do sign there, we’re talking seven years, $42M for Lucic and a $5.5M AAV for Demers. That’s what they did last summer for Andrej Sekera. We’ll see how it all shakes out.




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TeemaJeema wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 16:06



The hockey world needs more Elliotte Friedman's. Thanks for sharing the link.



Additional insight into the trade in the Pierre Lebrun article I posted farther back on this page (that has been conveniently ignored to this point).

Between Friedman and that article a clearer picture forms and this trade makes complete sense.



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I take it all back. We should draft Seguin.

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OilPeg wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 14:42

How about thinking of this trade as a similar trade to the one made between Hartford and St Louis a long, long time ago.

Blues traded a top LW in the game at the time in Brendan Shanahan for a young, not nearly worth Shanahan Chris Pronger. Worked out pretty good for the Blues.

Pronger? How about thinking of this trade as a similar trade many years ago you say?

That's a pretty big magic bean to sit on.



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Like everyone else I was shocked that it took Taylor Hall to get a quality D man but a day later after the dust has settled a bit, believe it had to be done. Wish it could have been Eberle or Yakapov instead but they didn't have the trade value. The team is going back to the golf course next spring without adequate defence amd there's also the issue of upcoming contracts under a salary cap. I believe in the young D that the team is bringing along but this gives the whole process a much needed boost. Loved Taylor Hall and wish him nothing but success with his new team. From what I gather Larsson was used in more of a shut down role against the other team's best players with limited power play time. His offensive stats are bound to improve with the Oilers. It's a team game and top pairing D men are a key element. His reasonable contract and age are also a huge plus.


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A friend pointed this one out on Facebook, had to drag it over here too:

http://www.theoilersrig.com/2016/06/on-taylor-hall-rebuilds- and-betrayal/

Very well written, a great read.



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As long as the Greene effect isn't what some say it is. I'm going to say that Larsson is an elite (top 10 in the league), shut down defender. That's pretty special. Maybe not worth trading the top 3 LW in the league, but still, something very awesome.

My major knock on the trade, is that there was something better out there for what we gave up.



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Magnum wrote on Fri, 01 July 2016 11:38

As long as the Greene effect isn't what some say it is. I'm going to say that Larsson is an elite (top 10 in the league), shut down defender. That's pretty special. Maybe not worth trading the top 3 LW in the league, but still, something very awesome.

My major knock on the trade, is that there was something better out there for what we gave up.



Which was what exactly? No one seems to be willing clarify what this superior move to improve our defense was.

PK Subban? If that was even remotely going to happen it certainly was not straight up for Hall but for a far uglier package. It's also been pointed out by a Friedman article how nhl execs wondered aloud how you would manage having both Mcdavid's and Subban's cap hit on the booksin a couple years.



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How does Chicago fit Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa with their big contracts?

It is doable with good management. A team shouldn't be scared at having elite players eat up some cap space. Good management builds around elite pieces. Bad management trades them away for a cheaper, lesser player. Money shouldn't have been seen as an issue.

Here is an article where Willis argues that the proposed deal for Subban that Friedman reported has the Oilers in better position than what they currently are.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ cult-of-hockey-why-the-oilers-should-have-made-the-subban-tr ade-not-the-hall-deal

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The Montreal Canadiens had discussed the possibility of moving P.K. Subban to Edmonton for a package consisting of Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 selection (used to get Jesse Puljujarvi), one of Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse, and something else of “not insignificant” value.




If the Oilers had the opportunity to have a team where they still had McDavid, Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, one of Klefbom or Nurse, and on top of that an elite defenseman in Subban...they are sitting very pretty. That's a core ready to contend.


Even if you don't like that Subban deal, surely Chiarelli could have traded Hall at another time for something better than just Adam Larsson.



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A very good read MJ. The writing is exactly the way I feel.


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smyth260 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2016 16:28

How does Chicago fit Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa with their big contracts?

It is doable with good management. A team shouldn't be scared at having elite players eat up some cap space. Good management builds around elite pieces. Bad management trades them away for a cheaper, lesser player. Money shouldn't have been seen as an issue.

Here is an article where Willis argues that the proposed deal for Subban that Friedman reported has the Oilers in better position than what they currently are.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ cult-of-hockey-why-the-oilers-should-have-made-the-subban-tr ade-not-the-hall-deal

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The Montreal Canadiens had discussed the possibility of moving P.K. Subban to Edmonton for a package consisting of Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 selection (used to get Jesse Puljujarvi), one of Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse, and something else of “not insignificant” value.




If the Oilers had the opportunity to have a team where they still had McDavid, Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, one of Klefbom or Nurse, and on top of that an elite defenseman in Subban...they are sitting very pretty. That's a core ready to contend.


Even if you don't like that Subban deal, surely Chiarelli could have traded Hall at another time for something better than just Adam Larsson.


You are absolutely correct. Its was lazy management of the team's second best asset, which was hard earned by the fans through years of dismal franchise performance, all fizzled away in one ill conceived transaction.



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smyth260 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2016 17:28

How does Chicago fit Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa with their big contracts?

It is doable with good management. A team shouldn't be scared at having elite players eat up some cap space. Good management builds around elite pieces. Bad management trades them away for a cheaper, lesser player. Money shouldn't have been seen as an issue.

Here is an article where Willis argues that the proposed deal for Subban that Friedman reported has the Oilers in better position than what they currently are.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ cult-of-hockey-why-the-oilers-should-have-made-the-subban-tr ade-not-the-hall-deal

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The Montreal Canadiens had discussed the possibility of moving P.K. Subban to Edmonton for a package consisting of Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 selection (used to get Jesse Puljujarvi), one of Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse, and something else of “not insignificant” value.




If the Oilers had the opportunity to have a team where they still had McDavid, Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, one of Klefbom or Nurse, and on top of that an elite defenseman in Subban...they are sitting very pretty. That's a core ready to contend.


Even if you don't like that Subban deal, surely Chiarelli could have traded Hall at another time for something better than just Adam Larsson.


By being forced to jettison all their depth and slowly decline into mediocrity? Because that's exactly what is occurring in Chicago ever since they decided to have 20+ million of their cap tied up in two players (i.e. exactly what you are in favour of). Their core is on the decline and what do you think is going to happen when Panarin is off his entry level deal? Guy potentially is a $7-8 million player himself.

Actually what good management looks like is reserving your big dollars for only your very best few players and surrounding them with cost controlled assets that will allow you to be a deep, competitive team for more than a couple years. You don't give away a boatload of high-end cost controlled players for one huge ticket item if there is a player you can acquire that will provide a relatively similar impact for much less. It would be nice if you could keep a roster full of 6 million dollar+ players but that's not living in reality -- especially when factor in the abnormal wrench in the equation in the form of protecting players for the expansion draft. All those assets named as potentially the ask for Subban are far more valuable than one Taylor Hall moving forward (why do you think that would be the ask and not Taylor Hall).

I'm sorry but the roster we have now in reality + factoring in what Puljujarvi will become is far better than giving it up just to keep precious Hall in the line-up. PK Subban would have been great of course but it's not the smart move. I prefer to have a slightly less improved team right now with room to grow and maintain it on into the future than the one that requires sacrificing our future depth and increasing $ complications for us in a couple years just to have a slightly better overall team now. That's not even a for sure thing since we have no idea what impact Larsson, Lucic, and potential PP QB acquisition will have. I think this team is just as ready to contend as your version and it still has all it's more important assets.

Again maybe look into what Friedman and Lebrun had reported -- apparently there is next to nothing available out there for top pairing D in a trade so I think your wait and see approach there is completely wishful thinking. Larsson is a very solid return giving the circumstances with the potential to be great if you bother to look into the player.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 01 July 2016 18:57

smyth260 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2016 16:28

How does Chicago fit Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa with their big contracts?

It is doable with good management. A team shouldn't be scared at having elite players eat up some cap space. Good management builds around elite pieces. Bad management trades them away for a cheaper, lesser player. Money shouldn't have been seen as an issue.

Here is an article where Willis argues that the proposed deal for Subban that Friedman reported has the Oilers in better position than what they currently are.

http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ cult-of-hockey-why-the-oilers-should-have-made-the-subban-tr ade-not-the-hall-deal

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The Montreal Canadiens had discussed the possibility of moving P.K. Subban to Edmonton for a package consisting of Leon Draisaitl, the No. 4 selection (used to get Jesse Puljujarvi), one of Oscar Klefbom or Darnell Nurse, and something else of “not insignificant” value.




If the Oilers had the opportunity to have a team where they still had McDavid, Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, one of Klefbom or Nurse, and on top of that an elite defenseman in Subban...they are sitting very pretty. That's a core ready to contend.


Even if you don't like that Subban deal, surely Chiarelli could have traded Hall at another time for something better than just Adam Larsson.


You are absolutely correct. Its was lazy management of the team's second best asset, which was hard earned by the fans through years of dismal franchise performance, all fizzled away in one ill conceived transaction.



And there it is -- very telling that your personal issue with the trade has nothing to do with objective analysis of the players and everything to do with sentimentality and emotional attachment. Who cares if he was possibly that -- you just don't like that his actual worth turned out to be far less than whatever you imagined...

Lazy management? Pretty sure Chia has been saying since he has arrived that the defence needs to improve and this move was the result of an entire year trying to arrive at the best solutions. If you believe this was done on a thoughtless whim and without the utmost scrutiny and analysis you're a petty moron.

Remind me again what the better option was?



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ryanc182 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:02

Taylor Hall is a great player no doubt. Unless Larsson completely lays an egg, this helps us fill a void.

If we were all waiting for the perfect trade to come along where we win hands down, it may never have come. And staying the course as we have for a decade has got us no where. What do you suggest anyone is to do? Larsson is 23, RH and signed for a long time for a very manageable cap hit.

To play devils advocate, to me, Hall is not one of the top LW in the game. His exclusion from the Olympics and the World Cup of Hockey helps that argument. In the last two years, Hall has seen a decline. He only played 53 games 2 years ago with 38 points. Last year a full 82 and only 65 points. He is not irreplaceable.

That being said, I hope he scores 80+ this year, but I don't think he'll do it with the Devils.

Thank you for everything Taylor. Enjoy the Eastern Conference and no longer being run through the boards nightly!



The thing is, if Taylor Hall goes out the door, a guy has to be coming back who has NO CHANCE of laying an egg. Has to be THE guy they need on the back end, even if you have to add a piece or two. Now they are still looking for that guy, and their best tradeable asset is gone. It's not Larsson's fault he was traded for Hall, but this has all the earmarks of a terrible trade. Larsson will be a useful player, and an upgrade over most of the blueline, but Chia paid a terrible price.

Hall is going to continue to have an excellent career. Too bad it's not going to be here.



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I'm pretty convinced McDavid will have to be paid MORE than Toews or Kane in a few years. He could easily be the best player in the NHL this next year. It certainly wouldn't be shocking. I wouldn't want Subban for his current salary. Though he has speed and can make some great moves he also doesn't have the greatest hockey sense at times. Sort of reminds me of Hall in that way. Put Gretzky's brain in his body and wow, an incredible player for sure.

McDavid is in another league talent wise I believe too. McDavid is thee generational player. Subban's salary could too easily be an albatross I feel. Plus if I can get Larsson and another solid 2nd pairing D man for the same price. Why would I do that? He cost 4 million more than Hall? No thanks.



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And here's what the out of market opinion is on Chiarelli. Warning, it isnt good:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/peter-chiarelli-and-the-problem -with-tunnel-vision-trending-topics-050439733.html



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It kind of bothers me how it takes until now for people pin the media to talk about how great Hall is. I don't remember a lot of positive comments about Hall from anyone outside of Edmonton in the past, but suddenly he isn't in Edmonton and everyone thinks that he is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm not saying that I didn't think Hall was a fantastic player during his time here, but I don't think he was valued as much outside of Edmonton because of the team. Chiarelli still should have got more out of the trade, but these media people outside of Edmonton that have never cared about Hall once before should quit trying to compliment his so much now that he isn't an Oiler.


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oilfan94 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 09:54

It kind of bothers me how it takes until now for people pin the media to talk about how great Hall is. I don't remember a lot of positive comments about Hall from anyone outside of Edmonton in the past, but suddenly he isn't in Edmonton and everyone thinks that he is the best thing since sliced bread. I'm not saying that I didn't think Hall was a fantastic player during his time here, but I don't think he was valued as much outside of Edmonton because of the team. Chiarelli still should have got more out of the trade, but these media people outside of Edmonton that have never cared about Hall once before should quit trying to compliment his so much now that he isn't an Oiler.



That's a legit observation -- these same "out of market" writers/media people who are now singing Hall's praises are most likely the same one's who would bash him when he was on the team. It's most likely a case of biased Oiler negativity (or Chiarelli himself) that dictates that everything done is terrible and must be propagated as such at every opportunity. Posters like Team Dean are evidently lapping this stuff up now since it echoes their mindset.

Meanwhile there's plenty of evidence out there in articles favourable to the trade by far more credible people and sources (Elliot Friedman, Pierre Lebrun, actual NHL executives). But no we should ignore that really put a lot is stock into the personal, most likely biased anti-oiler opinion of some guy you've never heard on yahoo sports (the clear authority on hockey news). Bravo.



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Wait til Larsson gets booed cause of Hall. It's not his fault obviously. Who trades Hall ? Only the Oil. McDavid & Hall should have been the two untouchables. Pitt won the cup with speed.


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TJ39 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:33

Wait til Larsson gets booed cause of Hall. It's not his fault obviously. Who trades Hall ? Only the Oil. McDavid & Hall should have been the two untouchables. Pitt won the cup with speed.


That's my fear. Oilers fans are traditionally harsh and unforgiving towards Oilers defencemen.



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nullterm wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:34

TJ39 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:33

Wait til Larsson gets booed cause of Hall. It's not his fault obviously. Who trades Hall ? Only the Oil. McDavid & Hall should have been the two untouchables. Pitt won the cup with speed.


That's my fear. Oilers fans are traditionally harsh and unforgiving towards Oilers defencemen.


This would be different, the past booing (still bush) was because of perceived lack of performance or effort. This booing would be directed at management, specifically Chiarelli, and especially if Larsson's sitting with 2 pts by Christmas time, and a +- of -20.
Chiarelli made the trade NOW, because he said they needed to win NOW, and Chiarelli should be judged and criticized accordingly. If they are out of the playoffs by Christmas time as usual, then his job should be on the line, he's put it there.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674455 is a reply to message #674450 ]
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TJ39 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 13:33

Wait til Larsson gets booed cause of Hall. It's not his fault obviously. Who trades Hall ? Only the Oil. McDavid & Hall should have been the two untouchables. Pitt won the cup with speed.

This is my biggest fear with the loss of Hall. I see Draisaitl taking a step back without Hall and I don't trust RNH to make significant jump in his offensive totals. The Oilers might be a one line scoring team for the next couple of seasons until Drai can come into his own and Puljujarvi getting used to the NHL game.



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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674456 is a reply to message #674454 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 13:39

nullterm wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:34

TJ39 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:33

Wait til Larsson gets booed cause of Hall. It's not his fault obviously. Who trades Hall ? Only the Oil. McDavid & Hall should have been the two untouchables. Pitt won the cup with speed.


That's my fear. Oilers fans are traditionally harsh and unforgiving towards Oilers defencemen.


This would be different, the past booing (still bush) was because of perceived lack of performance or effort. This booing would be directed at management, specifically Chiarelli, and especially if Larsson's sitting with 2 pts by Christmas time, and a +- of -20.
Chiarelli made the trade NOW, because he said they needed to win NOW, and Chiarelli should be judged and criticized accordingly. If they are out of the playoffs by Christmas time as usual, then his job should be on the line, he's put it there.


So express any ill-conceived displeasure towards Chiarelli/management directly where possible. Larsson should be cheered and supported being him performing well is key to us getting better as a team. Booing him directly is saying you don't want the team to get better... because Taylor Hall! Anyone ends up doing that is a total moron and should be fired from fandom.




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 Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674457 is a reply to message #674456 ]
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rjayd2 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 13:53

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 13:39

nullterm wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:34

TJ39 wrote on Sat, 02 July 2016 12:33

Wait til Larsson gets booed cause of Hall. It's not his fault obviously. Who trades Hall ? Only the Oil. McDavid & Hall should have been the two untouchables. Pitt won the cup with speed.


That's my fear. Oilers fans are traditionally harsh and unforgiving towards Oilers defencemen.


This would be different, the past booing (still bush) was because of perceived lack of performance or effort. This booing would be directed at management, specifically Chiarelli, and especially if Larsson's sitting with 2 pts by Christmas time, and a +- of -20.
Chiarelli made the trade NOW, because he said they needed to win NOW, and Chiarelli should be judged and criticized accordingly. If they are out of the playoffs by Christmas time as usual, then his job should be on the line, he's put it there.


So express any ill-conceived displeasure towards Chiarelli/management directly where possible. Larsson should be cheered and supported being him performing well is key to us getting better as a team. Booing him directly is saying you don't want the team to get better... because Taylor Hall! Anyone ends up doing that is a total moron and should be fired from fandom.




I don't think Larsson will be the type to ever short change the fans on his effort. He will be working his tail off out there consistently.

I suppose he could get the Petry treatment though, where just because he's always out on the ice against the best players, he is in the picture when we get scored on by the best players. Therefore, because fans see him a lot out there when we get scored on by good players, it's all his fault if the Oilers are losing games. Because obviously it can't be the fault of the rest of the team getting to play against easier competition and doing nothing with that ice time, that is too abstract of a concept. The best way to avoid that reaction by fans it to actually win more than you lose. Fingers crossed we can do that next year.

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