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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674071 is a reply to message #674060 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2
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philly boy wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:39

Him & Ebs have been as close to bulletproof by the media in the city since day 1.

Eberle out the door next wouldn't hurt my feelings either...

ARRIVEDERCI!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674073 is a reply to message #674069 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:08

rjayd2
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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:03

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:58

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

icon_lol

Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

Take a look at the links halfafrog posted back a few. Plenty of statistics and evidence to support that Larsson is an emerging top pair defensemen. Even if he doesn't improve at all from this point he still makes our team better than having Hall on it. Or are you really going to argue a good LW is more impactful and valuable to an NHL team than a good RHD?...

You're talking about a GREAT LW and a pretty middling RHD prospect. He's got a good pedigree, but you'll remember, we have another former 4th overall defensive prospect in our lineup. It doesn't always amount to much.

We dramatically overpaid for a guy who's unlikely to cover the bet his new GM just made on him. That's a big, big problem.

LOL you're totally uninformed. Perhaps research the player before you woefully underrate. "Great" is a totally subjective term to refer to Hall. I see him as "good" based on what he has accomplished -- your point?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674074 is a reply to message #674073 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:10

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:08

Ummmm...maybe you didn't see me RESEARCH the player in the other thread.

And Hall was third in the league for 5-on-5 scoring this year. He's a great player.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674076 is a reply to message #674065 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:13

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:58

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

icon_lol

Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

I'm not a stats guy, nor do I know how those sites work, per se, but I'd be interested in seeing how Larsson looked when he was out against the top dogs in the east. How often was he out against OV, Giroux, Crosby, Tavares and Stamkos and how did he do?

97.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674078 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:16

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Jim Matheson agrees Chiarelli made a mistake - because we didn't get a second round pick included. icon_rolleyes

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674080 is a reply to message #674070 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

It's still a big deal. We were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, and the one consistent offensive producer over the last got dealt for a low return[/bold]. A guy with 9 NHL goals.

We haven't seen Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Draisaitl drive offense on a line. Lucic doesn't. Yakupov and Pouliot and Maroon don't. We have a lot of complimentary players, but trading Hall really hurts the Oilers scoring depth and options. It's pretty easy for the Kings to decide which line to match Kopitar up against now.

Larsson is a great add, but the cost was all wrong to get him, and it'll hurt the Oilers. Absolutely it will.

Personally, I would have preferred the Subban deal that was supposedly out there. And if Hall was packaged as part of a deal for Subban, that would have been much easier to digest.

So you explicitly know for a fact that this wasn't the best offer then? Yeah ok.

It's just my crazy belief that the person actually performing the job knows a little more about what the market value of a player is in reality and what the best deal available to him was than a bunch of wannabes on an internet forum. But go ahead and believe a guy that built a stanley cup winner is a complete moron and didn't make the best possible move he could.

For all we know there never was a Subban deal so what are you even saying? lol. Even so if the price was Weber you could only imagine what the ask would be from our roster.

Losing Hall+Draisatl+Klefbom sound good to you? Idiotic.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674082 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:27

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At least we're keeping our star player happy...

"I don't know if I can ever repay (Taylor Hall). He took me under his wing. It’s hard to explain how much that means to me.” -Connor McDavid

I guess Hall isn't a real leader.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674083 is a reply to message #674074 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:30

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:10

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:08

Ummmm...maybe you didn't see me RESEARCH the player in the other thread.

And Hall was third in the league for 5-on-5 scoring this year. He's a great player.

If the assessment you arrived at for Larsson is "middling" you clearly did none. Or you're just being purposely defiant. Either way all you're telling me is you believe a left wing is more important than a RHD which is clearly in line with NHL reality... icon_rolleyes

And cool, all that means is your standards for greatness differ from mine.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674089 is a reply to message #674082 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:48

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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:27

Ah, now the trade makes sense. McDavid was likely a week away from being pressured into a coke habit. Chia had to break that relationship up ASAP! icon_biggrin

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674092 is a reply to message #674089 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:59

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Hmm if I was the resident star of a team and it was obvious a real superstar (McDavid) had just been drafted, I couldn't afford to be anything other than generous and unkind too. How did he treat and lead all the peripheral players?

Building a team is a chess match, not a one player or one trade deal. People are acting like their wife was just traded. If Gretzky can get traded, anyone can. And this compares nothing to the Gretzky deal. There is and never will be a player like Gretzky. Take a look at all time points. He is so far ahead of the next cluster of players it would take Jagr playing til he is 90 to catch up. Gretzky is a statistical freak.

Lets see what else is done and see how the team is doing by December before we judge too harshly. Larsson is a good shut down right handed D man that can play a lot of minutes who is only 23. If that was the price, that was the price. This team needs a lot fewer goals scored against them and looking at his tough defensive starts this is what we needed. I worry Edmonton is becoming like Toronto. An eternally horrible team with fans and media that run players out of town. We don't' want any Kessel Karma going around.

So this is what hope feels like?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674093 is a reply to message #674080 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

I don't like the trade, but the worst part may be that it brought you out from underneath whatever bridge you've been calling home these last few months.

Do I think GMs have the ability to make bad choices? Yes. We have about a decade of proof. Do I think Chiarelli has the ability to make bad trades? I think the Seguin proves this can be true. So it's entirely fair to question his choice of return, his timing, etc.

And it's not like this message board is the only place questioning this deal. Basically every hockey pundit out there was stunned at the low return. Heck, Travis Yost was saying that he had talked to hockey execs who said they would have given a better package than Adam Larsson. For whatever that is worth.

I don't think Chiarelli is a moron, and if you look back at my history, I've praised most of the moves he's made. But just because he's not a moron and just because he has mostly made good moves, doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to make a bad one. So let's not put words in my mouth here, okay?

While we're at it if you want to know the Subban source, it's from Ryan Rishaug. Apparently it was Draisaitl + Klefbom or Nurse + #4. A big return and not everyone will agree it would have been better, but what I like about it is that we'd be on the end receiving the "sure thing stud player" for "players with potential" rather than the team sending out the sure thing for a player with potential like we did. Not everyone shares that feeling, which is fine. I don't love it, but I think the Oilers actually probably walk away better from that deal, and actually address that need for a #1 RHD who can QB a PP. There's nothing suggesting that Larsson (or Demers) is that guy, and so I'm not sure the hole was actually really filled, and we just moved our best trading chip and option to end up in this place. At least you could build around McDavid + Subban, which sounds better to me than McDavid + Larsson.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674094 is a reply to message #674092 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

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halfafrog wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:59

I don't think there's any danger of us becoming Toronto. They traded their top point producer from the past five years and they rejoiced. We traded our top point producer from the past five years and it's been ugly here in the city. Most people I've talked to are very upset. The best responses have mostly been trying to rationalize the move, while still thinking the return was unbelievably bad.

That's despite guys like Stauffer and Rishaug trying desperately to tow the company line and sell up the deal. It's pretty amazing to look at the responses to all of Rishaug's inane tweets. He's been lit up again and again, and just keeps doubling down. You'd think he's looking for a job with management.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674095 is a reply to message #674092 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:06

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halfafrog wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:59

We don't' want any Kessel Karma going around.

We might have had that with Justin Schultz. icon_wink

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674096 is a reply to message #673931 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:08

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:33

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:28

Chia said he expects Larsson to be a 1st pairing D next year. Expectations set.

Listening to the Devils play by play guy, he said Larsson is a legit, top pairing dman. Said he is easily a 30-35 pt guy. Compared him to Hamonic.

I'm still a little freaked out by the trade but the Devils guy calmed me down a tiny bit. If Larsson can be a 30+ point guy while playing 25 good, reliable mins a night, then its an OK trade. I PRAY he does that.

I knew a shake up was coming, I just didn't expect it to be Hal.

For the record I wouldn't have traded Hall for Hamonic either.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674097 is a reply to message #674089 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:08

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:48

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:27

Ah, now the trade makes sense. McDavid was likely a week away from being pressured into a coke habit. Chia had to break that relationship up ASAP! icon_biggrin

He was on coke when he said that, and he had shared some with Chia earlier that morning.

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674099 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:21

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I haven't posted for awhile, but this trade is dispicable. Good on you Oilers management. You will see what you have lost. This team is forever a sinking ship.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674100 is a reply to message #674058 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:22

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I thought of the Gretzky trade also Adam. Bad trade that will haunt this team.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674101 is a reply to message #674093 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:31

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

I know I really wish I could spend my every waking hour of free time debating hockey with strangers on an internet forum but I have other stuff to do in my life unfortunately...

The fact I am bothering to waste time on this is very telling then in that case of how ridiculous the narrative was getting over this trade so I suppose you can be angry at Chiarelli for that! icon_wink

Yeah I've noticed there is widespread disfavour towards the move but sorry that doesn't sway my personal opinion. I'd have made the same swap as Chiarelli did if there was nothing better -- I have to give the benefit of the doubt the man actually in charge really did have no better option. The Travis Yost tweet is purely speculative like anything else thrown out there on twitter. Who is this executive and what players/picks were the better offer? We'll never know for sure.

If the Rishaug rumour was truthful and Chiarelli didn't take it then I would lean to agree with you on that -- I agree it would be nice to get the for sure player for the potential buuuuuut... that's not what transpired in reality. So you have to believe that either that deal wasn't actually true or Chiarelli felt he valued those players more than Hall. Either way you or I can't do anything about it and feel like its so pointless to get angry about this. What's done is done and I'm looking forward to seeing how Larsson pans out and what other moves go down.

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Re: Farewell, Hall.... [message #674102 is a reply to message #673902 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:32

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Ditto

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674104 is a reply to message #674100 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:35

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TJ39 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:22

I thought of the Gretzky trade also Adam. Bad trade that will haunt this team.

LMAO just killing me...

I look forward to seeing Hall continue to be as impactful for New Jersey as he was for us (i.e. never make the playoffs).

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674106 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:54

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First post in a long time.... This is obviously a bummer right now, but I'll get over it if we see a winning team. Hall was special to us fans, he was the prize after the year of suck. Poor Roli getting lit up. The Smytty trade. Hall was the prize after all of that. Now he's gone and I wish him well.

This is Connor's team now. The D is being addressed. We might have a mean prick LW in Lucic having 97's back the next six-seven years. Our forwards are fine, the D needed addressing, this is a start.

Hall was symbolic to us as the start of change. He was valued, he was cheered for, and he is gone. Mourn the trade if you must, soak it in that the team didn't get any magic beans to go with it. Do what you need to do - it sucks to see him go. Larsson is needed. Once the shock is over we'll move on.

Good luck to Taylor, go feast on the east Hallsy.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674107 is a reply to message #674104 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:56

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:35

LMAO just killing me...

I look forward to seeing Hall continue to be as impactful for New Jersey as he was for us (i.e. never make the playoffs).

Laugh it up fuzzball! (To quote a fictional character)

Not one player does a team make, but a team with GREAT players can accomplish a whole lot. I think you aren't taking into account how trading Hall for Larsson impacts this team negatively. Hall a top 3 winger for Larsson a top 4 right shot defenseman. The points that Hall produced carried the Oilers to a few more wins than the Oilers should have had, further than when RNH, Eberle and yes even McDavid went down to injury, it was Hall that carried the mail and soldiered on.

Losing his type of production isn't wise, game in and game out Hall was doing it, and while the losses killed any chance of this team from rising beyond 21st place it was Hall getting us there.

You cannot tell me the point production year after year on the Oilers Hall wasn't at the top more years than not.

Now we have to settle for a maybe, Larsson who is a good player but not in the same sentence as Hall in terms of impact to his team.

Just a trade the Oilers yet again lost.. Chia messed up. The trade would be more palpable if it was Larsson plus at leSt some picks.

This trade will not bode well for our team.. And I really hope I'm wrong.

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674110 is a reply to message #674106 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 23:03

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I'm not a traitor, I've been positive about this team through all the bad years. But for the first time, I hope they tank out and flounder. Burn it to the ground, this idiot is slowly driving us into the ditch. He honestly thought our 2nd best player was worth very little.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674114 is a reply to message #674110 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 23:11

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Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 23:03

I don't get this mentality.

Even if you absolutely hate the trade, why wouldn't you rather be proven wrong and have the Oilers succeed this year?

We've had 10 bloody years of abject failure. I don't think hoping for another similar year is going to make anything better.

No Mo' Lowe | Fire McLellan | Fire everyone.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674115 is a reply to message #674110 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 23:13

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Here's hoping he can follow a similar path to Victor Hedman. Their numbers through their first four seasons are almost identical. Season 5 is where Hedman started to take off offensively. Hopefully playing with some better offensive talent will help spark that change.

Despite the belief of some there are dmen who don't put up a lot of points early in their career who are able to develop the offensive side of their game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Hedman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Larsson

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674120 is a reply to message #674101 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 23:32

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:31

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

I know I really wish I could spend my every waking hour of free time debating hockey with strangers on an internet forum but I have other stuff to do in my life unfortunately...

The fact I am bothering to waste time on this is very telling then in that case of how ridiculous the narrative was getting over this trade so I suppose you can be angry at Chiarelli for that! icon_wink

Hate the trade but hopefully Larsson can take his game to the next level, that's the only thing that will make this somewhat palatable. You should ask Adam how he does it.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674124 is a reply to message #674106 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 23:48

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No, I think differently. Hall is one of the best wingers in the game. He's a star player for years to come. As I said this trade disgusts me. This team/organization disgusted me before, but not like today. The Oilers loss

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674127 is a reply to message #674110 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 00:44

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Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:03

An NHL GM's most important ability is player evaluation, Chiarelli has proved he doesn't have it, TWICE, first Seguin, now Hall. Dumping Seguin put the Bruins in a hole they are still trying to get out of.

We gave up a second round pick for this genius?

All you need to know about Dumba's game is contained right there in his name. If we give up RNH for Dumba it'll be another stake to the heart of the franchise.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674131 is a reply to message #674106 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 03:08

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the flying stortini wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:54

Welcome back and thank you for the most rational post of the thread.

Renaissance 2015

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674133 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 06:33

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I guess I'll need to change my username....I'm wildly bitter about this trade. It's not going to work out well for Jersey. Hall couldn't turn this team around, he's heading into a nightmare of a top 6 with the current crop of Devils. It's way too bad all we could muster was Larsson. Despite the price, don't be fooled by his low offensive numbers, Adam Larsson is an awesome defender and we lack this calibre of player.

I'm sure Chia isn't done here. A Lucic signing tomorrow is beyond obvious.

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Re: Farewell, Hall.... [message #674135 is a reply to message #673908 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 06:57

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Leia wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:11

One thing that I picked up on and it may be nothing at all through the press conference, was that Chia constantly referred to Hall as a great player, never elite always great. Not sure if it means anything, and I may be clutching at straws, but perhaps Chia didn't rate him as highly as we did.

Because a great player for an above average player sounds much better that an elite player for an above average player.

It's nothing more than that.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674136 is a reply to message #674133 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 07:17

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I'm of the same opinion here. Larsson was used in a defensive role last year on NJD because they had no offense to speak of. The devils scored 24 fewer goals than they allowed and he was still a plus 15 while starting something like 28% of his shifts in the d zone. His numbers with Greene are not bad at all facing the toughest competition on a team with next to no offense to help push the numbers in the other direction and the numbers actually get a little better when he's not with him which I'm assuming was because he wasn't facing as tough of competition. He can skate, handle the puck, make an accurate outlet pass and quick decisions which are talents that are sorely lacking on the blueline. I believe PC found a partner for Klefbom with this trade that may actually unlock the potential in both players. I think Larsson's labeling as a propect by some here is inaccurate he is a legitimate top pairing RH shot d-man at 23 years old with room to improve. He's not the sexy option but I think he may be the right option. And Hall for as good as he is and I believe as good as he will become unfortunately doesn't shoot right or play defense. Today there is more balance on this team and balance will bring success.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674139 is a reply to message #673940 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:00

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:57

Where were you when Taylor Hall was traded?

Henday SB offramp to Baseline WB.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674140 is a reply to message #674136 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:00

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oilerfan79 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 07:17

I agree with you. Right now my heart doesn't like the trade because I am a huge Hall fan and I think they didn't get enough. But my brain is telling me that in the long run, it has a good chance of working out really well. If this trade allows then it will be a good trade. Every really good team has less high end offensive forwards than the Oilers currently have today but have a really good top pairing defense tandem.

So while everyone has a right to be pissed at the trade right now. As an Oilers fan, what do you want? Do you want a really good team or a really good collection of players? I ask this because there is a HUGE difference. The Oilers for years at forward have had a really good collection of players. Over the years at times they can be world beaters, catch a team napping and go toe to toe and even beat the best teams in the league. But as soon as even a mediocre team comes in and plays a solid team game, even if they are less talented, the Oilers got beat more times than not. In the end, year after year the Oilers finished near or at the bottom while less paper talented teams who played a way, way better team game were higher up or even made the playoffs.

So if giving up the best player in the trade today plugs a gapping hole and makes it so the Oilers play a better, more balanced TEAM GAME and make them a better team as a unit then it could be a good trade.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674141 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:01

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I'm very shocked. I work the graveyard shift and what a story to wake up to. I want to offer a few thoughts.

As Oilerfan79 just noted, Larsson and Klefbom might be the perfect compliment for each other. So there's that. The rusher and the defender right? I'd rather have two Canadians as my top pairing D, not Swedes, but I'm not racist or Don Cherry. Lindstrom and Karlsson and Hedman are pretty good, though Larsson ain't them!

I feel bad for Taylor. New Jersey is not making the playoffs any time soon. Hall might approach Ollie Joikenen territory out there. Isn't #4 retired there too?

If this is gonna be the value of right handed d men moving forward in this leauge and if I was a GM, I'd never draft a lefty d man again!

I remember the billboards around town in 2010 with Hall and the "welcome to Edmonton Taylor". For him to wallow through these wretched 6 years and 5 coaches and get moved right before the new arena with us "winning" McDavid and the sense the tide might finally be turning...I'd feel slighted too.

Everyone is screaming about how some other teams exec says he'd have offered more. Well what if he worked for Calgary or Vancouver or Winnipeg? At least when Chia deals a star he sends them out of the conference.

Good luck Taylor! You're too good for trap hockey.

Bob Marley and the (Hartford) Wailers.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674143 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:09

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Is it too early to start talking about Nolan Patrick?

Gawd I love that kid.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674144 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:28

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The fakeoilersgm account on twitter has a lot of zingers for those that may not regularly pay attention to this one!

My car was running low on gas tonight so I bought a new car. This is the price you have to pay.

Waitress asked "soup or salad" but I made her bring me a packet of sugar instead.

Rest assured that if this trade doesn't pan out, the Oilers GM will be FIRED and replaced by the President of Hockey Operations.

All this wheeling & dealing has made me starving. Anyone know if Burger King accepts payment in the form of AAA steaks?

Steve Tambellini just called to congratulate and compliment my trade and now I'm a little worried

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The day after, I'm still don't think the Oilers got fair value in Taylor Hall, but maybe one day this trade will seem even? I can't see that we'll ever consider the Oilers won this one. I'm doubtful but here's hoping!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674145 is a reply to message #674144 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:31

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MJ wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 08:28

This is my favorite so far:

It's true. The Canadiens wanted Draisaitl for Subban. But no chance! Leon and Taylor have terrific chemistry.

This ones good too:

Oops. Just realized I wore MacT's glasses today #visuallybetter

..

A day later and I'm still sad.

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Re: Farewell, Hall.... [message #674146 is a reply to message #673935 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:48

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:45

Lesterpolyester wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:24

I think it makes perfect sense. Lets keep Hall, Nuge, Eb's and continue to suck for the next 10 years. Hall may have been good offensively but he was awful defensively and had a six year losing streak. Sometimes you have to change the culture.

If the trade would have been last year for Lucic & Larson for Hall nobody would have said we were fleeced. Effectively that's what this is and it also gives us a chance to grab the top RH defenseman in free agency.

Something had to give guys the team has SUCKED for 10 years yet every time we trade or talk about trading someone everyone seems up in arms. I don't care who's in the line up next year so long as they start winning!

So you're saying Hall's deal was a in part a salary dump? The sugar-coating ain't sticking.

You trade your best player (up until a few months ago) for a #1 D who can run a PP.....you add pieces if you need to. Turns out that even if Demers signs here, and they have Larsson (wrong Larsson, by the way, Chia), the Oilers are STILL needing a #1 D who can run a PP. This is another in a long list of magic beans deals, where a known excellent hockey player (with plenty of upside still) goes out for something you're HOPING will pan out. You're downgrading at LW with Lucic coming in, who has already reached his peak in terms of his career. You needed Lucic as a secondary option at LW, not the primary.....he will compliment his center, not carry the play.

The Oilers organization can spin & sell this any way they want to try, but this was a bad day for the Oilers and their fans. This was NOT the $6 million contract the Oilers needed to move, if this is being sold on any level in terms of salary and cap room.

I'm not saying salary dump at all. Your assessment of Lucic being on the down slide is based on? Am I happy all they gotback was Larson....No not at all. Am I happy that at least their trying to address real needs YES! If Hall is such a complete all-star why was he passed over for the Olympic Team & The World Cup of Hockey Team?

Did we lose this trade 100% is the TEAM better time will tell but anything would be better then second last place in the league

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674147 is a reply to message #674140 ]	Thu, 30 June 2016 08:50

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 08:00

oilerfan79 wrote on Thu, 30 June 2016 07:17

After a day to calm down this is pretty much where I'm at too.
Yeah we lost the trade in terms of value for value, but looking at the overall team makeup I think we'll end up being a better team.

We haven't had a legit #1 shutdown D since Pronger left. It sucks that we had to overpay to get that piece, but at least now we have it. He's on a dream contract too for the next several years.

Feel bad for Hall and wish him all the best out East.

Interesting that Klefbom, Larsson and Talbot all have the same 4.167m cap hit. That's pretty good value for your top D pairing and starting goalie, and they're all signed for relatively long term too.

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