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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673970 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:37

Skoobz
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Can whoever posted the ridiculously long link that broke this thread please delete it?????!!!!!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673974 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:39

Adam
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Other positives?

Chiarelli has now made the Seguin trade look amazing in comparison.

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Re: Farewell, Hall.... [message #673977 is a reply to message #673966 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:42

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:35

ChasinStanley wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:10

Leia wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:11

One thing that I picked up on and it may be nothing at all through the press conference, was that Chia constantly referred to Hall as a great player, never elite always great. Not sure if it means anything, and I may be clutching at straws, but perhaps Chia didn't rate him as highly as we did.

I would agree with this. Hall doesn't make others around him better and really doesn't mesh with a lot of players. He is an incredibly talented individual who can do great things individually but really doesn't bring a lot to those around him. I loved Hall's passion and hard work out there but he only ever elevated his game not those around him and he couldn't elevate his game enough on a regular basis to be a difference maker in the standings.

I'mthink making this trade the oilers win more games this year than if they stayed the course, which is all that matters.

Ha ha...maybe you shouldn't look at the WOWY numbers for Draisaitl.

Just on points alone, the difference between Draisaitl with Hall and without Hall is insane.

Hall 5v5 without Drai, 363 minutes, 1.79 Points/60
Drai 5v5 without Hall, 160 minutes, 1.13 Points/60

That's a pretty small sample size for Drai. Wonder how much of that time is early or late changes. If Drai got lucky and had 1 more point, he would have had 1.5 Points/60 without Hall. If he fluked out and had 2 more points without Hall, he would have had 1.875 Points/60 without him.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673979 is a reply to message #673961 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:55

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:28

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 14:33

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:28

Chia said he expects Larsson to be a 1st pairing D next year. Expectations set.

Listening to the Devils play by play guy, he said Larsson is a legit, top pairing dman. Said he is easily a 30-35 pt guy. Compared him to Hamonic.

I'm still a little freaked out by the trade but the Devils guy calmed me down a tiny bit. If Larsson can be a 30+ point guy while playing 25 good, reliable mins a night, then its an OK trade. I PRAY he does that.

I knew a shake up was coming, I just didn't expect it to be Hal.

This si what always happens after a trade like this, anyone can spin it anyway they want until the puck hits the ice, people hear what they want to hear, in 6 months you'll hate this trade, I already do.

IT WAS UNNECESSARY at this time, for that value.

Its a result of our GM Chiarelli getting drunk on the riches provided to him, the result of a decade of Oiler fans perseverance and suffering, being lazy, and selling them cheap for a quick reward. Like a kid with too much allowance. Showed an incredible lack of asset management or valuation. Maybe now we know now why Boston fired his ass.

I don't know. I think in 6 months we will be much more over this trade than we are now. I would never dispute that we didn't get fair value, but the Oilers are a better team now and we will win more because of this trade. And we'll be even better if we do sign Lucic (ignoring cap implications for the sake of argument ;) )

It sucks, and I don't like how Chia went about it and there may have been many better ways to do it, but filling that black hole in the lineup was absolutely necessary for the Oilers to not be terrible again. We traded from an area of strength to fill an area that had a big fat 0 beside it.

How can you say the Oilers will win more now because of adding Larson? I don't think you can. They would have won more anyway with a healthy, and another year older, defense corp. Plus adding Puljujarvi, and potentially Lucic. That forward lineup was incredible. Now other teams can focus entirely on McD's line, before they had Hall to contend with driving another line. He partially plugged one hole, and opened another gaping one.

Chiarelli basing his management strategy on a lot of hopes and prayers. Brutal.
Even if Larson does improve, Chiarelli doesn't know that, can't know that, he took a big risk when none was required. Those types of off the cuff management decisions are reminiscent of the worst GM's that have gone through this league. Ask yourself, if Lou Lamarello was Oiler GM, do you think he trades Hall for so little, or at all?

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673980 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:56

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I keep trying to think when I've been this disappointed about an Oilers move before. There's the Gretzky deal...that sort of numbed me to many of the others that followed.

The day we traded Weight for Hecht and Reasoner was up there too. One of Lowe's first moves I think. So bad, but at least you could believe it was all about the money he'd eventually get paid (although he wasn't yet at his free agency). I was test driving a car that day.

This one is maybe worse than even the Weight one. At least there we got multiple pieces and I was young enough to buy in to the thought that those guys could develop in to the next Doug Weight...Reasoner had put up big numbers in junior after all...

I don't know how you say yes to that. He'd have been better doing no trades at all this summer than trading Hall for Larsson.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673981 is a reply to message #673970 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:56

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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:37

Can whoever posted the ridiculously long link that broke this thread please delete it?????!!!!!

Magnum???

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673983 is a reply to message #673980 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:58

Skookum Jim
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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:56

Exactly.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673984 is a reply to message #673979 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 16:59

Adam
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:55

Exactly.

And people keep talking about the potential for Larsson...Let's be honest, he's not that much younger than Hall. How many defencemen can you find that were 18 point defencemen at 23 who became 35-40 point defencemen later on? And 35-40 points is pretty pedestrian for a top guy.

If it had been Hall for Hamonic, I'd have been similarly outraged. The Oilers show just no clue, no clue at all, about the relative value of players.

That trade record for Chiarelli is looking pretty damn spotty right now.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673986 is a reply to message #673979 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:01

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:55

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:28

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 14:33

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:28

Chia said he expects Larsson to be a 1st pairing D next year. Expectations set.

I honestly think we are a better team after this trade. No joke. That's my opinion. It's like trying to run with 1 leg. You can work out that leg you have as much as you want and make it the most powerful leg on the planet, you're still gonna get your butt kicked by any guy running with 2 legs. Without a doubt we lost the trade, but the team is more able to actually compete in the NHL now.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673987 is a reply to message #673974 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:02

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 15:39

Other positives?

Chiarelli has now made the Seguin trade look amazing in comparison.

Chiarelli makes Mike Milbury look like Lou Lamoriello.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673990 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:05

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Funny thing - in deleting Hall off their website, the Oilers have deleted his stats line for 2015-16 too:

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/stats.htm?season=20152016

According to this, Leon Draisaitl was the top scoring Oiler with 51 points...

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673991 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:16

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This is the one quote I'm clutching on to - purely because I remember this guy on the ice

https://twitter.com/KenDaneykoMSG/status/748258561994670080

"At the same time people that don't see how good Adam Larsson is on daily basis, can't appreciate him like we did! Edmonton got a real good d"

97.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673992 is a reply to message #673983 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:16

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I'm definitely in the minority but I like the trade.

a) This is McDavid's team. Not Hall's. That failed experiment ended last year.

b) Hall is older than Larsson, and D men take longer to develop

c) Wingers. I'm not a GM but if I was, wingers come after centers and D men. A strong center is my #1 priority and I want 3-4 strong centers if possible. I think we have 3 centers we can keep for quite a while. Centers play more D, and O and have to work very hard at both ends. We improved our D here and we kept 3 great centers.

d) How many playoff games has what some are calling the best left wing in hockey played? oh yeah, 0. Larsson has played 28.....

e) Larsson has played in the Stanley Cup Finals. That's right. More games than the entire core, if not more than all of last years team.

f) I like the 2 Swedes on D, Klefbom (may he stay healthy) and Larsson. I think thats a big improvement over last years team if they hopefully both are healthy all year.

g) This opens up cap room.

h) I was never sold on Hall's hockey sense so much as his raw talent. Though I liked Hall over Seguin early in his career, in retrospect Seguin seemed to mature and I would rather have had the center the last few years.

i) the little clique. Great that Hall thought he was the second coming of Bobby Hull but if you aren't a leader, how does that help the team? Why did Yaks always feel on the outside? Its not exactly news. A real leader makes everyone feel they are part fo the team. Note, I didn't say Hall was the issue, I said a real leader makes everyone feel welcomed and he should have gone out of his way if public perception pointed otherwise to prove it wasn't the case.

j) what has this core done/won? Nothing. Enough said. It needed to be broken up, including the so called hub of it all. Regardless of talent level.

k) This is McDavid's team. Especially not that Hall is gone.

l) Right handed D men are like finding a unicorn at the Vostok Research Station. A rare find indeed.

m) The cap space helps us fill out a more well rounded team.

n) Lets see how this team looks in the fall.

In the end, are we worse than the team that finished 30th, 29th, and what peaked at 26th or something with Hall leading the team....to nowhere? Change was needed.

So this is what hope feels like?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673993 is a reply to message #673990 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:17

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A guy in my office, that I typically refer to as Douche Bag Steve, said that Hall got traded because he has a coke problem. Douche Bag Steve knows, he has season tickets.

Sadly, that's the best consolation I've found so far on this. cry

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673995 is a reply to message #673993 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:22

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:17

The best consolation I've heard was this is the 2nd time Chiarelli has been involved in a trade involving a top LW and an unproven defenceman, when he was an assistant in Ottawa when they traded Yashin for Chara(though they got more in that deal, but it's hard to trade with Milbury these days)

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673996 is a reply to message #673995 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:26

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eedok wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:22

Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:17

Ottawa also managed to get the second overall pick in the upcoming draft in that one...who turned out to be Spezza.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673997 is a reply to message #673991 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:29

Skookum Jim
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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:16

Ha! Yeah that sounds like what a used car salesman tells you as you drive off the lot with your newly purchased 2002 Hyundai ... except with a used car there is a grace period where you can take it back and get your money back.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673998 is a reply to message #673996 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:31

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:26

eedok wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:22

Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:17

Ottawa also managed to get the second overall pick in the upcoming draft in that one...who turned out to be Spezza.

I was working in Ottawa when the Yashin trade was done. It felt much the same in Ottawa then as it does in Edmonton today.

Sometimes when things look bad, they work out just fine.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673999 is a reply to message #673993 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:32

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:17

Well at least it's different than the mythical.. "He was doing the goaltenders wife.."

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674000 is a reply to message #673995 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:33

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eedok wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:22

Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:17

Hey Chiarelli learned from the best.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674002 is a reply to message #673991 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:40

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We lose lose lose this trade , no matter what Larson does , this just cuts deep.
I texted into Bob Stauffer " Peter just created Taylor the Incredible HallK "
Hall> Larson + Prospect+ 2nd pic .. This is a fail !
Was Hall a piece that could be moved , yep but this is absolutley under valued ridiculous!
Then you find out Weber was actually being shopped? WT---- F!!
Hall + whatever for Weber I could live with .. Suffering Sucatash this sucks.

Taylor , chin up you were a great Oiler and will be sorrowly missed .
You survived as a fan favorite thru much adversity and bad standings , good luck on your future ventures and I Hope you and Hernrique light it up.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674003 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:41

Skookum Jim
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Got to lie down. Feel sick.
Not looking forward to any more Chiarelli "management".

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674004 is a reply to message #674000 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:44

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From Thomas Drance:

Quote:

122 NHL defencemen have played at least 4000 minutes since 2012-13. Larsson has outscored: Scuderi, N. Schultz, Orpik, Gorges, M. Stuart

Good god.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674008 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:54

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Ugly trade on the surface, but something needed to be done, maybe not as crazy as this, but who knows. There has been tons of speculation about Hall in Edmonton. I've heard lots of stuff too (all bad). In any case, this is McDavid's team now, he is on his way to being a top 3 player in the world. While I don't like the trade, I also wasn't a huge fan of Hall and thought he was overrated, despite what the analytics show. Chia flat out got pumped by Shero in this deal, it's just not an acceptable return for the value Hall gives. He's a star, borderline superstar winger in the game who is big time line driver, creates chances like crazy without having had much success on the PP.

It really is an ugly, strange trade on the surface though. Hard to get over, just in terms of value. I wasn't against trading Hall, just not for Adam Larsson. They still need a legit offensive D and PP option, which Larsson is not. The one consolation is that they'll have some balance in the line up come the fall, assuming Lucic signs, still have a good offence and the prospect of a Klefbom-Larsson pairing, which if they stay healthy, is very interesting indeed. The countrymen always play better together, both guys have high ceilings, big bodies, good amount of skill (maybe not in terms of putting up points but puck handling and good first pass), quality all around games. I think both can be #2 D-men.

[Updated on: Wed, 29 June 2016 18:03]

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674009 is a reply to message #674004 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 17:56

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:44

From Thomas Drance:

Quote:

122 NHL defencemen have played at least 4000 minutes since 2012-13. Larsson has outscored: Scuderi, N. Schultz, Orpik, Gorges, M. Stuart

Good god.

The guy has 9 goals in his ENTIRE career. We just traded Taylor Hall, top 10 forward, Oilers perennial top scorer, for Jason Freaking Smith!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674010 is a reply to message #674004 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:02

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:44

From Thomas Drance:

Quote:

122 NHL defencemen have played at least 4000 minutes since 2012-13. Larsson has outscored: Scuderi, N. Schultz, Orpik, Gorges, M. Stuart

Good god.

Way to pick a time frame that specifically gives you the data you're looking for.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674011 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:03

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I really wish that rumoured PK Subban deal had happened at the draft.

Really, almost all of the scenarios that were discussed (and dismissed) by us on here are better than the one that happened. Not all, but almost all.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674012 is a reply to message #674004 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:04

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 16:44

From Thomas Drance:

Quote:

122 NHL defencemen have played at least 4000 minutes since 2012-13. Larsson has outscored: Scuderi, N. Schultz, Orpik, Gorges, M. Stuart

Good god.

Not to justify the deal, but I saw this tweet and his criteria seems little ridiculous. Larsson split time between the AHL and NHL in 12/13 and 13/14. If he had played full seasons in the NHL, you would assume he would be higher up that list. A full time defenceman would probably be closer to 6000 minutes over 4 years, so it seems Drance picked 4000 minutes specifically to include Larsson in the list, even though it's not really fair to him as he only played 209 out of a possible 328 games.

Over the past 2 years, Larsson has 42 points, which of course is still not good. But it's way better than 4 from the bottom. Same number of points as guys like Dumba, Trouba, Petry (none of whom I would trade straight up for Hall obviously).

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674013 is a reply to message #674012 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:06

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Sorry, double post.

[Updated on: Wed, 29 June 2016 18:47]

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674014 is a reply to message #674008 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:06

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This is a terrible trade. This and Pronger are at the same level and those are both of the trades I remember since following the Oilers religiously.
Hall is a top 10 LW in the league there is no way that you couldn't get a better defender and pieces (top prospect / pick as well).
To say oh we can sign Lucic now because of this and it makes this trade better is ignorant. We didn't get enough for one of our top players, it makes our team worse overall.
Are they going to sign Lucic, probably but it will be for too much money and term. Will we sign someone else, probably but again it will be for too much money/term. Could they have fit under the Oilers payroll the way it was with Hall I'm sure they could have.

With Larsson they do get $1.8M less in cap hit and a contract that goes for 2 more years. But they gave up a much better asset to do it.

I'm scared for the future, we got worse today as a team. I'm scared with the leadership of the Oilers. But at least this is the make or break year for them. They don't do much better then last year season tickets will drop off dramatically (I will be one of them reducing seats if this is the case).

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674015 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:20

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Here are some comments..
http://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/cult-of-hockey/ cult-of-hockey-this-team-is-doing-a-bang-up-job-alienating-t heir-entire-fanbase-twitter-boils-over-with-news-of-taylor-h all-trade

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ames Mirtle, the Globe & Mail: It’s official. It’s… the Oilers.

Travis Yost, TSN Hockey Analytics Writer: It’s official. Oilers solidify one of the worst trades I can ever remember. Certainly so in the modern era. Fireable offense.

Allan “Lowetide” Mitchell, Oilers blogger & radio host: The Edmonton Oilers have dealt Taylor Hall. It is a terrible trade

Pat McLean, Oilers Blogger (Black Dog Hates Skunks): Said all along, it’s ok to trade anyone but if you trade 4 you need a real return not a maybe. And then this. Devastating.

Heather Marginet, Oilers fan: Unless somehow they get a number 1 Dman with the extra cap space plus Lucic (and I am reaching I know) it’s awful.

Jonathan Willis, Oilers blogger (Cult of Hockey): That’s an unspeakably bad return. The really incredible thing is that it appears Edmonton has traded Taylor Hall and still needs a first unit PP defenceman.

Scott Wheeler, Leafs Blogger (Pension Plan Puppets): Taylor Hall is 24 years old and could finish in the top 10 in league scoring every year for the duration of his contract.

Eric Macramalla, TSN Legal Analyst: Now that was just plain awful trade by Oilers. Terrible asset management by Oilers.

Darcy “Woodguy” McLeod, Oilers blogger (Because Oilers): Hall for Larsson and PK for Weber. ARE PEOPLE STILL WONDERING WHY CANADIAN TEAMS DON’T MAKE THE F ING PLAYOFFS????

Bruce Arthur, Toronto Star: And people wonder why Canadian teams don’t win Stanley Cups anymore

Aaron, Oilers fan: There is no way to justify this trade ESPECIALLY 10 minutes before Subban was traded. This is God awful. This team is doing a bang up job alienating their entire fanbase. No excuses anymore. I hate this team. Jump off a cliff @EdmontonOilers

Ryan Batty, Oilers blogger (Copper & Blue): The other day I was trying to decide how many Oilers games I wanted to go to this year. The answer is not many.

Kris Hansen, Oilers blogger (The Oilers’ Rig): Taylor Hall was my favorite Oiler. Have his jersey, multiple autographs. I’m extremely choked. The Oilers lose the trade.

Megan Fowler, Oilers blogger (The Oilers’ Rig) and avowed Taylor Hall fan: I haven’t had a favourite Oiler since Weight. I didn’t want a favourite player because I knew it would break my heart.

Nicholas Rogoza, Oilers fan: People wear your Hall jersey proud he was the best player this team had for many year.

Ben Massey, romer Oilers blogger: I get that @hallsy04 feels “slighted,” but if it helps Oilers fans love him more than the God-awful franchise he’s so lucky to be leaving.

Tom Gulitti, Devils writer for NHL.com: Hall basically said he’s taking trade as “an indictment of me as a hockey player”. Clearly wants to prove Oilers made a mistake.

Grant McCagg, McKeen’s chief amateur scout:Hall for Larsson…what am I missing here? Seems like larceny for the Devils.

Jason Gregor, TSN 1260: Anyone can debate trade. But hard to trust an organization that continually employs people who guided team to 10 years without playoffs.

Sean “Down Goes Brown” McIndoe, hockey blogger and humourist: The Oilers just traded Taylor Hall for a handful of beans. And not even magic beans. Like they reached into a dented can of baked beans.

More Pat McLean: So Demers said no and Chia panicked.

More Jon Willis: Q was just asked to compare Hall deal to Chicago trade losses. They aren’t comparable. CHI moved complementary pieces to *keep* elite pieces.

Scott Cullen, TSN hockey analytics writer: If you were going to trade Taylor Hall or P.K. Subban, wouldn’t you, perhaps, consider holding out for more?

More Travis Yost: Team executive just now: “They should’ve called us — we easily put together a better package than Adam Larsson for Taylor Hall.” / Team executive just told me he would’ve packaged two future first-round picks and a ~ P2 defender for Taylor Hall as a starting point / not every team knew hall was available and being shopped

Alan Hull, Oilers blogger (Copper & Blue) in response to the above: I can’t tell you how angry this makes me.

@nhldrafter, draft analysis site: Meanwhile .. Tyler Dellow was last seen running down the hall yelling to Chiarelli – ‘I meant EKMAN-Larsson!’

More Willis: Adam Larsson played *tough* minutes for all of last year with Mark Fayne’s old partner, Andy Greene.

Take note of this.. Not every GM knew T. Hall was being shopped.
FIRE CHIARELLI.
TODAY.

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Travis Yost: Team executive just now: “They should’ve called us — we easily put together a better package than Adam Larsson for Taylor Hall.” / Team executive just told me he would’ve packaged two future first-round picks and a ~ P2 defender for Taylor Hall as a starting point / not every team knew hall was available and being shopped

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674016 is a reply to message #674009 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:24

Ragnarok73
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:56

The guy has 9 goals in his ENTIRE career. We just traded Taylor Hall, top 10 forward, Oilers perennial top scorer, for Jason Freaking Smith!

Yet Smith played more playoff games for the Oilers than Hall ever did or will and was a solid part of a good Oil D that helped get them there.

The number of people here who are fixated on the trees without looking at the entire forest really surprises me. I'd expect this kind of knee-jerk sky-is-falling crying on the HF forum, but not here. If you're going to skewer Chia, at least wait until we see how this team is doing with all of the changes that have been made. If they are still floundering in the basement as per usual and it was because of these moves, I'll jump on the "Hang Chia" bandwagon quickly enough.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674017 is a reply to message #674015 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:26

Ragnarok73
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:20

Take note of this.. Not every GM knew T. Hall was being shopped.
FIRE CHIARELLI.
TODAY.

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Sheesh. Not every GM has a team with D-men that the Oil could really use. You should seriously step away and take a deep breath, man. Drink a few beers (like, cases).

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674018 is a reply to message #674015 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:29

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[quote title=Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:20][quote]

Take note of this.. Not every GM knew T. Hall was being shopped.
FIRE CHIARELLI.
TODAY.

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This happens every major deal - it's the Brian Burke effect.

97.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674019 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:30

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When people calm down, I think that this trade just shows what a 25 goal, 60 point winger gets you.

Six years into his career, that is what Taylor Hall is, and what he will continue to be. That is not bad in today's NHL. It's not worth a stud #1 defenceman though.

Is a he a line-driver? Sometimes. Can he carry a team? Briefly, but he is just as likely to disappear for long stretches.

Not sure how you can compare the Gretzky trade (a Hall of Famer by age of 25) to trading Taylor Hall. One guy was the best player in the world and the leader of a team that was consistently dominant and won 4 Stanley Cups.

The other was sometimes the best player on a team that finished in the bottom 5 in 5 of his 6 years, and bottom 2 in 3 of them.

I don't hate Taylor Hall. I just think some people are vastly overrating him.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674020 is a reply to message #674014 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:30

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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 17:06

Yeah they save 30% on Hall's salary, and get back 1/4 the player. Larsson could be no better than what Davidson will be. Larsson reminds me of J. Petry without the points.

This is like doing the Gretzky trade all over again and just getting back Jimmy Carson.

Worst major trade in Oiler history.

As Lowetide said in his blog, if the Oilers don't make the playoffs this year, Chiarelli deserves to be fired.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674022 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:34

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Everyone is so mad that I'm really excited to see how this all plays out next year :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674023 is a reply to message #674022 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:41

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:34

Everyone is so mad that I'm really excited to see how this all plays out next year :)

Maybe it's a good sign that Chia is doing what is needed when so many fans are enraged with this move. Will they be as unhappy when the signings of Lucic and Demers are announced? Let's see...

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674024 is a reply to message #674023 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:45

Kr55
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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:34

Everyone is so mad that I'm really excited to see how this all plays out next year :)

Maybe it's a good sign that Chia is doing what is needed when so many fans are enraged with this move. Will they be as unhappy when the signings of Lucic and Demers are announced? Let's see...

This move will be judged in isolation probably forever. Even if Larsson does take a big step and turns into a well rounded top pairing D, can always say at the time we should have got more, and that's true. But, it will all be easier to handle if the Oilers are actually a better team.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674025 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 18:48

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I haven't felt this way since the Pronger trade.

I think the Oilers can still win despite this, if they sign Lucic and a D man that can help the PP, but man. This really sucks. My picture of the Oilers finally winning another Stanley Cup included Taylor Hall. My picture has been shattered.

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